Current Events > How were Americans been brainwashed into discrediting art/entertainment as work?

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Every time some youtube monetization controversy pops up, you see these same meat n potatoes-ass chodes saying things like "good, get a real job", and "it shouldn't be a job". Then there's the idea of art school/pursuing seriously any artform being a joke, being worthless, etc.


This line of thinking seems to be particularly widespread among americans. I don't get how people can actively consume this shit then denounce it and its creators as worthless.
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because most people work shitty jobs and are jealous of anyone who tries to do something they like. there is a pervasive mentality that work is supposed to suck.
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art isn't a real job
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Your title makes my head hurt.

Anyway, it's a pretty common attitude in more conservative parts of Canada, too. I was constantly lambasted for getting degrees from university instead of going to a technical school. People just assume you are too weak or pathetic to do 'real work'. It's really stupid.

Ironically, my wife is in the trades and she faced nothing but criticism and sexism.

how is making cartoons more valuable to society than mining coal?
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propagation of the typical "working class american" has stigmatized more unconventional means of work and income
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Dash_Harber posted...

Your title makes my head hurt.

Anyway, it's a pretty common attitude in more conservative parts of Canada, too. I was constantly lambasted for getting degrees from university instead of going to a technical school. People just assume you are too weak or pathetic to do 'real work'. It's really stupid.

Ironically, my wife is in the trades and she faced nothing but criticism and sexism.

Yeah I did some last minute edits and didnt proofread lol
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Philoktetes posted...

how is making cartoons more valuable to society than mining coal?

Why don't you try living a life with no entertainment

Work, sleep, eat, shit


Sure does sound wonderful
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Philoktetes posted...

how is making cartoons more valuable to society than mining coal?

Where did anyone claim it was?

Philoktetes posted...

how is making cartoons more valuable to society than mining coal?

In the long run? It's important to society to have culture and society, which sort of requires entertainment and art. It also can be monetized. It also doesn't leave as much pollution as coal and is another industry that can support an economy if coal suddenly bottoms out.

Some people don't consider pushing keys or a pen "real work" either regardless of it's importance.
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Dash_Harber posted...

Philoktetes posted...

how is making cartoons more valuable to society than mining coal?

In the long run? It's important to society to have culture and society, which sort of requires entertainment and art. It also can be monetized. It also doesn't leave as much pollution as coal and is another industry that can support an economy if coal suddenly bottoms out.

The industry media creates is far larger than the coal industry

gafemaqs posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

Philoktetes posted...

how is making cartoons more valuable to society than mining coal?

In the long run? It's important to society to have culture and society, which sort of requires entertainment and art. It also can be monetized. It also doesn't leave as much pollution as coal and is another industry that can support an economy if coal suddenly bottoms out.

The industry media creates is far larger than the coal industry

Yeah, definitely in total, but it's far more localized and decentralized.

The culture industry is gonna get more and more important. I think people underestimate the role American pop culture has in turning "western society" westward. Unless the Chinese can make pop culture that can compete with American pop culture, they're not gonna take over the world. Is what I think.
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Atypical jobs are always looked down on, especially if they're new and/or associated with "play."

If the people who invented some of today's popular sports could watch them today, they'd probably be in hysterics over some modern players' contracts.
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It's stupid isn't it? I think it's somewhat similar to the attitude some people have that pornstars are worthless whores, and yet they're the ones with their pants around their ankles jacking it with the volume down.

The attitude you mention TC is so pervasive that when you work in a creative field it's really fucking difficult sometimes to convince people that the work they want you to do requires actual money as payment. There's this "What, you're just taking a couple of pictures for my wedding, why is it $200?" attitude.
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Eh, it's just bitter people with miserable lives - they'd rather try and bring down other people's achievements than try to better their own lives, because it's easier.

Philoktetes posted...

how is making cartoons more valuable to society than mining coal?

well one of them is a universally liked form of entertainment and the other is an outdated, polluting source of power.

Seems simple enough for me.
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Because the richer class prays on the lower classes and to do that, they push the idea that if you are not killing yourself at your job than that isn't real work. However for some reason these same rich people are exempt from this type of judgement.
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Simple, youtube is not your employer, they have no obligation to pay you.

Now sure, people put a lot of time and effort in their work (not always), and if you bring in views you could get rewarded for that. I prefer the term rewarded, because unlike getting paid, it's not guaranteed. If I work, I get paid. But if you upload to youtube, getting money is not a certainty.

This annoys me a little, because everytime something changes (when, how or why adverts work, or how views are calculated or whatever), the 'content creators' explode and get angry at Youtube that they are making less money. While that does suck, you CHOOSE thise. Youtube is not obligated to pay you, for all we know, they could stop rewarding you with money for the views you bring in, that is their good right. If you want to be sure of your income, then yes, get a 'real' job, sign a contract where you specify the hours you work, your hourly pay, benefits, and whatnots.
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They really need to stop stigmatizing art as an acaedmic study.

That said, this whole STE(A)M thing is idiotic.
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Also it is funny that people are down the arty jobs on a site that is mostly about entertainment.
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Because artists generally don't make as much money as a "regular job". Even in the past artists were looked down on unless you were exceptional. You can say that the hate is irrational all you want but if you're a blacksmith or an office worker or a coal miner or whatever you'd be upset too that a guy who does nothing but paint pictures all day was asking for money. Not saying these are my views, just trying to explain a bit more.
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Because it's not real work. Actual actors and writers who were commissioned by a company which pays them, that's art/entertainment that's work. Musicians attached to a label are involved in actual work as well. Youtubers are just guys who goof around then got paid for it. Street performers can also earn a living, but that's still not real work although it's real-er work than a lot of Youtubers.
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Zeus posted...

Youtubers are just guys who goof around then got paid for it.

They shoot, often edit, and produce entertainment content. If they get paid doing it, it's real work. Very simple.
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pinky0926 posted...

The attitude you mention TC is so pervasive that when you work in a creative field it's really fucking difficult sometimes to convince people that the work they want you to do requires actual money as payment. There's this "What, you're just taking a couple of pictures for my wedding, why is it $200?" attitude.

All my artist friends have stories from people that ask for commissions, told it's not free, then beg, then they get really angry and start insulting them for "doing work a toddler could do".
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I think artists deserve to be paid if people want to pay them.

The thing that gets me is when artists get mad that people want to pay them with "exposure" or "for a credit" etc. I've seen so many artists I know get so mad at that. But if you're getting those kind of offers, and you can't negotiate actual payment, then 1) that's no one's fault and 2) you and your work probably don't merit payment

ofc, I am ok with unpaid internships for a similar reason which is a less popular opinion so...
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Zeus posted...

Because it's not real work. Actual actors and writers who were commissioned by a company which pays them, that's art/entertainment that's work. Musicians attached to a label are involved in actual work as well. Youtubers are just guys who goof around then got paid for it. Street performers can also earn a living, but that's still not real work although it's real-er work than a lot of Youtubers.

Yeah man recording and touring unsigned isn't reak work at all. It's only real work when you have a label bankrolling your expenses and doing all the hard booking and promotion work for you.


Don't try to talk about shit you know nothing about.
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