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transience
09/08/17 5:54:14 PM
#304:


"black lives matter too"

for those who can't understand context
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ChaosTonyV4
09/08/17 5:54:36 PM
#305:


Corrik posted...
Black Lives Matters is more inherently racist btw as it singles out one race of people whose lives matter. The too being understood is not a relatively good argument.

I know a lot of good people are probably involved with it, but a few have done violence in the name of Black Lives Matters because it has not done a good job at differentiating between it being a black power group and a call for civil rights group.

Arguing Blue Lives Matters, All Lives Matter are racist before Black Lives Matter just seems like a convenient argument and not a sound one.


Dude has there literally ever been an "All Lives Matter" demonstration where they came out in support of any lives at all?

It's literally just a refrain used to shut down people saying Black Lives Matter.
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Not_an_Owl
09/08/17 5:55:05 PM
#306:


Corrik posted...
Black Lives Matters is more inherently racist btw as it singles out one race of people whose lives matter. The too being understood is not a relatively good argument.

I know a lot of good people are probably involved with it, but a few have done violence in the name of Black Lives Matters because it has not done a good job at differentiating between it being a black power group and a call for civil rights group.

Arguing Blue Lives Matters, All Lives Matter are racist before Black Lives Matter just seems like a convenient argument and not a sound one.

Is the NAACP a racist organization?
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Kenri
09/08/17 5:56:38 PM
#307:


[Corrik voice] "lol how can you say this combination of these three words is racist? not one word of the three by itself is racist, and even when combined into a phrase the three words aren't racist. even if words had meanings, which they don't, it's just showing support for people. showing support for people isn't racist.

oh but by the way black lives matter is racist"
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Skyridge87
09/08/17 5:58:16 PM
#308:


Why are people still taking Corrik seriously?
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Jakyl25
09/08/17 5:58:31 PM
#309:


Not_an_Owl posted...
Corrik posted...
Black Lives Matters is more inherently racist btw as it singles out one race of people whose lives matter. The too being understood is not a relatively good argument.

I know a lot of good people are probably involved with it, but a few have done violence in the name of Black Lives Matters because it has not done a good job at differentiating between it being a black power group and a call for civil rights group.

Arguing Blue Lives Matters, All Lives Matter are racist before Black Lives Matter just seems like a convenient argument and not a sound one.

Is the NAACP a racist organization?


You know he's gonna say yes
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GuessMyUserName
09/08/17 5:58:52 PM
#310:


Corrik posted...
Not_an_Owl posted...
Corrik posted...
a bunch of stuff about overseas pollution

The solution to the problem of "other countries have laxer pollution regulations than we do" isn't "well fuck the environment let's pollute more", it's "hey let's make those other countries pollute less". Which, surprise surprise, is impossible right now because of the Trump administration's gutting of the State department.

(I suppose you could technically exert some influence over high-polluting countries via trade deals and tariffs and whatnot, but realistically that just means the goods made by high-pollution methods go to other countries.)

Explain how you make China and India, the two world largest population countries, pollute less? I mean, been tried quite a bit. They will agree in word to shit and still do it to gain an edge.


How do you enforce it?

please stop being ignorant on China's environmental policies
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Jakyl25
09/08/17 5:59:21 PM
#311:


"I'm not a feminist! That's sexist. I'm an egalitarian!"
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Corrik
09/08/17 6:01:47 PM
#312:


Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik posted...
Black Lives Matters is more inherently racist btw as it singles out one race of people whose lives matter. The too being understood is not a relatively good argument.


God this is the most ignorant understanding of the world

Sorry that you are just a liberal so automatically defend anything liberal.

You have ambushes of police officers multiple times in the name of BLM. One even said he specifically wanted to kill white cops. You have multiple chants and signs of fuck the police and death to pigs or whatever during rallies.

You can argue all day the group is racist and it probably isn't, but it has failed to create a proper message, which has in turn been interpreted in ways of killing police officers or specifically white ones.

You can argue it was a rogue event or someone gone astray (multiple times), but it is a recurring thing seen in rallies via message and perpetrated multiple times by actions.


You can claim neither against Blue Lives Matters or All Lives Matters.

I don't think you have anything of substance to really stand on here in your view.
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Corrik
09/08/17 6:03:15 PM
#313:


GuessMyUserName posted...
Corrik posted...
Not_an_Owl posted...
Corrik posted...
a bunch of stuff about overseas pollution

The solution to the problem of "other countries have laxer pollution regulations than we do" isn't "well fuck the environment let's pollute more", it's "hey let's make those other countries pollute less". Which, surprise surprise, is impossible right now because of the Trump administration's gutting of the State department.

(I suppose you could technically exert some influence over high-polluting countries via trade deals and tariffs and whatnot, but realistically that just means the goods made by high-pollution methods go to other countries.)

Explain how you make China and India, the two world largest population countries, pollute less? I mean, been tried quite a bit. They will agree in word to shit and still do it to gain an edge.


How do you enforce it?

please stop being ignorant on China's environmental policies

Stop acting like they have any.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
09/08/17 6:04:30 PM
#314:


Corrik posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik posted...
Black Lives Matters is more inherently racist btw as it singles out one race of people whose lives matter. The too being understood is not a relatively good argument.


God this is the most ignorant understanding of the world

Sorry that you are just a liberal so automatically defend anything liberal.

You have ambushes of police officers multiple times in the name of BLM. One even said he specifically wanted to kill white cops. You have multiple chants and signs of fuck the police and death to pigs or whatever during rallies.

You can argue all day the group is racist and it probably isn't, but it has failed to create a proper message, which has in turn been interpreted in ways of killing police officers or specifically white ones.

You can argue it was a rogue event or someone gone astray (multiple times), but it is a recurring thing seen in rallies via message and perpetrated multiple times by actions.


You can claim neither against Blue Lives Matters or All Lives Matters.

I don't think you have anything of substance to really stand on here in your view.


Cops chose to be cops. Black people didn't choose to be black. Checkmate.
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Jakyl25
09/08/17 6:04:43 PM
#315:


Corrik posted...
but it has failed to create a proper message,


The message is "stop killing black people."

This isn't hard.
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ChaosTonyV4
09/08/17 6:05:07 PM
#316:


Corrik posted...
Stop acting like they have any.


Incredible. Just like Trump, you didn't google the Paris Agreement, huh?
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Skyridge87
09/08/17 6:06:33 PM
#317:


Skyridge87 posted...
Why are people still taking Corrik seriously?
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Jakyl25
09/08/17 6:06:45 PM
#318:


This page is like peak Corrik
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Corrik
09/08/17 6:11:15 PM
#319:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Corrik posted...
Stop acting like they have any.


Incredible. Just like Trump, you didn't google the Paris Agreement, huh?

http://www.politico.eu/article/paris-climate-deal-is-meaningless-cop21-emissions-china-obama/
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LapisLazuli
09/08/17 6:12:00 PM
#320:


God, Corrik is so sad.
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Corrik
09/08/17 6:12:10 PM
#321:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Corrik posted...
Black Lives Matters is more inherently racist btw as it singles out one race of people whose lives matter. The too being understood is not a relatively good argument.

I know a lot of good people are probably involved with it, but a few have done violence in the name of Black Lives Matters because it has not done a good job at differentiating between it being a black power group and a call for civil rights group.

Arguing Blue Lives Matters, All Lives Matter are racist before Black Lives Matter just seems like a convenient argument and not a sound one.


Dude has there literally ever been an "All Lives Matter" demonstration where they came out in support of any lives at all?

It's literally just a refrain used to shut down people saying Black Lives Matter.

So you are saying it is not an actual group while also stating said group is racist?

Okay.
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Corrik
09/08/17 6:13:21 PM
#322:


Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik posted...
but it has failed to create a proper message,


The message is "stop killing black people."

This isn't hard.

Fuck the police. Kill the pigs. Ambush in Lousiana. Ambush in Dallas.

Seems like the message is a lot more muddled than you let on.
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TheRock1525
09/08/17 6:13:25 PM
#323:


Alas, Poor Corrik. I knew him... in America!
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Jakyl25
09/08/17 6:14:15 PM
#324:


He's saying it's not an actual group, but the words are used as a chant to shout down Black Lives Matter
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LapisLazuli
09/08/17 6:16:19 PM
#325:


Just let this child tire himself out.
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Not_an_Owl
09/08/17 6:16:48 PM
#326:


Corrik posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik posted...
but it has failed to create a proper message,


The message is "stop killing black people."

This isn't hard.

Fuck the police. Kill the pigs. Ambush in Lousiana. Ambush in Dallas.

Seems like the message is a lot more muddled than you let on.

Some police kill innocent people. Does this mean all police are evil murderers whose lives don't matter?
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Corrik
09/08/17 6:18:56 PM
#327:


Jakyl25 posted...
He's saying it's not an actual group, but the words are used as a chant to shout down Black Lives Matter

And?

What makes it racist?

"I want cake"

The teacher corrects lil johnnie...

"We all want cake".


"Black Lives Matter"

No.

"All Lives Matter"

Again it comes back to a muddled message where it supposed has silent words implied to the message which are not there.

If it is ACTUALLY named "Black Lives Matter Also", you wouldn't have that retort and an apt name to support your message.
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LapisLazuli
09/08/17 6:20:31 PM
#328:


You just straight up are too dumb to understand. This isn't an issue of it not being explained well. You actually can't get it.
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Jakyl25
09/08/17 6:21:50 PM
#329:


Corrik posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik posted...
but it has failed to create a proper message,


The message is "stop killing black people."

This isn't hard.

Fuck the police. Kill the pigs. Ambush in Lousiana. Ambush in Dallas.

Seems like the message is a lot more muddled than you let on.


I'm sorry that you believe the lies that conservative media feed you. I truly am.
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Corrik
09/08/17 6:22:12 PM
#330:


Not_an_Owl posted...
Corrik posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik posted...
but it has failed to create a proper message,


The message is "stop killing black people."

This isn't hard.

Fuck the police. Kill the pigs. Ambush in Lousiana. Ambush in Dallas.

Seems like the message is a lot more muddled than you let on.

Some police kill innocent people. Does this mean all police are evil murderers whose lives don't matter?

I don't think a police officer has killed in the name of Blue Lives Matters. The reverse is true.


Supporting the police isn't racist, and it is ridiculous that saying by doing so that you are racist.

And of course as usual the typical crowd will come out of the woodworks to boohoo someone arguing points against theirs as "trolling" or "being stupid" or whatever.
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DeepsPraw
09/08/17 6:22:56 PM
#331:


Corrik posted...
Again it comes back to a muddled message where it supposed has silent words implied to the message which are not there.


You're doing that yourself, tho. It's "black lives matter", not "ONLY black lives matter"
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Jakyl25
09/08/17 6:23:37 PM
#332:


Corrik posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
He's saying it's not an actual group, but the words are used as a chant to shout down Black Lives Matter

And?

What makes it racist?

"I want cake"

The teacher corrects lil johnnie...

"We all want cake".


"Black Lives Matter"

No.

"All Lives Matter"

Again it comes back to a muddled message where it supposed has silent words implied to the message which are not there.

If it is ACTUALLY named "Black Lives Matter Also", you wouldn't have that retort and an apt name to support your message.


You really think that if it was called "Black Lives Matter Also" that we wouldn't still have racists flooding out of the woodwork to shut them down?

You really are naive
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TheRock1525
09/08/17 6:23:52 PM
#333:


I mean if it was really "ONLY black lives matter" pretty sure they'd be holding rallies closer to the Unite the Right ones.
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Not_an_Owl
09/08/17 6:23:56 PM
#334:


Corrik posted...
"I want cake"

The teacher corrects lil johnnie...

"We all want cake".

Except in this case Johnnie and his ancestors haven't had cake for 250 years, those ancestors were violently kidnapped from their homeland (where they had plenty of cake) untold generations ago, and even after Johnnie's family was theoretically given the ability to eat cake they had to struggle for decades before receiving legal protection to have cake and even today have fewer and more difficult opportunities to eat cake than other people simply because of the color of their skin.
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Corrik
09/08/17 6:25:36 PM
#335:


DeepsPraw posted...
Corrik posted...
Again it comes back to a muddled message where it supposed has silent words implied to the message which are not there.


You're doing that yourself, tho. It's "black lives matter", not "ONLY black lives matter"

I have a high faith that the group itself and a lot of its members are not racist nor a Black Power group. I, however, feel the group has purposely kept a bit vague, which has allowed those to interpret it the way they want and in very tragic and disgraceful ways.
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Corrik
09/08/17 6:26:21 PM
#336:


Not_an_Owl posted...
Corrik posted...
"I want cake"

The teacher corrects lil johnnie...

"We all want cake".

Except in this case Johnnie and his ancestors haven't had cake for 250 years, those ancestors were violently kidnapped from their homeland (where they had plenty of cake) untold generations ago, and even after Johnnie's family was theoretically given the ability to eat cake they had to struggle for decades before receiving legal protection to have cake and even today have fewer and more difficult opportunities to eat cake than other people simply because of the color of their skin.

Are you arguing that Black Lives have never mattered?
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SupremeZero
09/08/17 6:26:29 PM
#337:


Not_an_Owl posted...
Corrik posted...
"I want cake"

The teacher corrects lil johnnie...

"We all want cake".

Except in this case Johnnie and his ancestors haven't had cake for 250 years, those ancestors were violently kidnapped from their homeland (where they had plenty of cake) untold generations ago, and even after Johnnie's family was theoretically given the ability to eat cake they had to struggle for decades before receiving legal protection to have cake and even today have fewer and more difficult opportunities to eat cake than other people simply because of the color of their skin.

Is it because the cake is chocolate. Is that why the color of their skin prevents them from eating it.
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TheRock1525
09/08/17 6:27:13 PM
#338:


Not_an_Owl posted...
Corrik posted...
"I want cake"

The teacher corrects lil johnnie...

"We all want cake".

Except in this case Johnnie and his ancestors haven't had cake for 250 years, those ancestors were violently kidnapped from their homeland (where they had plenty of cake) untold generations ago, and even after Johnnie's family was theoretically given the ability to eat cake they had to struggle for decades before receiving legal protection to have cake and even today have fewer and more difficult opportunities to eat cake than other people simply because of the color of their skin.


Or it's more like.

"Here's some cake."

*Johnnie doesn't get a piece of cake*

"I want cake."

"WE ALL WANT CAKE JOHNNIE JEEZE YOU'RE A TERRORIST FOR WANTING CAKE."
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Jakyl25
09/08/17 6:27:17 PM
#339:


Corrik posted...
I don't think a police officer has killed in the name of Blue Lives Matters.


...what exactly do you think Black Lives Matter is a response to?
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LapisLazuli
09/08/17 6:27:39 PM
#340:


The whole classroom has had cake all week besides Johnny, and when Johnny asks for cake on day 7, everyone insists "oh, we know you want cake, you can have some, too!"

But then Johnny gets no cake. He COULD have had cake, but the teacher serving it gave him none, all the while saying "you're definitely, theoretically, allowed to have this cake."
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Not_an_Owl
09/08/17 6:27:47 PM
#341:


Corrik posted...
Not_an_Owl posted...
Corrik posted...
"I want cake"

The teacher corrects lil johnnie...

"We all want cake".

Except in this case Johnnie and his ancestors haven't had cake for 250 years, those ancestors were violently kidnapped from their homeland (where they had plenty of cake) untold generations ago, and even after Johnnie's family was theoretically given the ability to eat cake they had to struggle for decades before receiving legal protection to have cake and even today have fewer and more difficult opportunities to eat cake than other people simply because of the color of their skin.

Are you arguing that Black Lives have never mattered?

They haven't mattered to far too many Americans throughout history, and to far too many people today.
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Jakyl25
09/08/17 6:27:56 PM
#342:


Corrik posted...
Are you arguing that Black Lives have never mattered?


THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT

YOU'RE SO CLOSE!!!!!
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Corrik
09/08/17 6:28:10 PM
#343:


Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
He's saying it's not an actual group, but the words are used as a chant to shout down Black Lives Matter

And?

What makes it racist?

"I want cake"

The teacher corrects lil johnnie...

"We all want cake".


"Black Lives Matter"

No.

"All Lives Matter"

Again it comes back to a muddled message where it supposed has silent words implied to the message which are not there.

If it is ACTUALLY named "Black Lives Matter Also", you wouldn't have that retort and an apt name to support your message.


You really think that if it was called "Black Lives Matter Also" that we wouldn't still have racists flooding out of the woodwork to shut them down?

You really are naive

I think you will have that regardless. But, I also think a mixed message has led to retorts and popups that are not malicious in intent from many who use it.
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DeepsPraw
09/08/17 6:29:11 PM
#344:


Corrik posted...
I, however, feel the group has purposely kept a bit vague, which has allowed those to interpret it the way they want and in very tragic and disgraceful ways.


Okay, that's just you being a conspiracy theorist
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Corrik
09/08/17 6:29:46 PM
#345:


Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik posted...
Are you arguing that Black Lives have never mattered?


THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT

YOU'RE SO CLOSE!!!!!

O.o if you are actually going to argue that...
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LapisLazuli
09/08/17 6:29:54 PM
#346:


Is Corrik just a living InfoWars but with no writers?
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TheRock1525
09/08/17 6:30:52 PM
#347:


No Corrik is Hannity.
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Not_an_Owl
09/08/17 6:31:09 PM
#348:


Corrik posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik posted...
Are you arguing that Black Lives have never mattered?


THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT

YOU'RE SO CLOSE!!!!!

O.o if you are actually going to argue that...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws

oh yeah those post-civil war southern people sure did value black lives didn't they
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Jakyl25
09/08/17 6:31:11 PM
#349:


Corrik posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik posted...
Are you arguing that Black Lives have never mattered?


THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT

YOU'RE SO CLOSE!!!!!

O.o if you are actually going to argue that...


Yes! That's what we are arguing!

Black
Lives
Have
Never
Mattered
In
America
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LapisLazuli
09/08/17 6:32:38 PM
#350:


I think Corrik thinks he just found some big slipup when in fact he's just displaying his ignorance yet again, acting like Jakyl just made some controvertial statement.
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Jakyl25
09/08/17 6:34:04 PM
#351:


Not_an_Owl posted...
Corrik posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik posted...
Are you arguing that Black Lives have never mattered?


THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT

YOU'RE SO CLOSE!!!!!

O.o if you are actually going to argue that...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws

oh yeah those post-civil war southern people sure did value black lives didn't they


It's not even so much the OVERT, institutionalized racism

It's also the general notion that black lives are more expendable than white lives, which is sown into the fabric of the country from birth to now.

You see it now with Hispanics and DACA. Opponents of DACA don't see them as humans, just as non-Americans that don't matter as much as white Americans
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Corrik
09/08/17 6:34:14 PM
#352:


Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik posted...
I don't think a police officer has killed in the name of Blue Lives Matters.


...what exactly do you think Black Lives Matter is a response to?

A lot of if is in response to justified shootings of criminals or suspects who did not comply to orders.

If a police officer shoots someone wrongly they should be charged as a murderer and prosecuted.
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Jakyl25
09/08/17 6:36:52 PM
#353:


Corrik posted...
If a police officer shoots someone wrongly they should be charged as a murderer and prosecuted.


And yet that almost NEVER happens, ESPECIALLY if the dead person is black...
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