Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 131: Deferred Action by Childish Administration

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You notice how conservatives wanna protect workers and liberals wanna protect businesses when it comes to illegal immigration?
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In what way?
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WhoopsyDaisy posted...

You notice how conservatives wanna protect workers and liberals wanna protect businesses when it comes to illegal immigration?

Spoiler alert: the workers are the immigrants.

With a lack of immigrants doing farm labor (legal or otherwise), crops are literally rotting in the fields because farms can't get people to do the work. It's not "taking jobs away" from citizens if said citizens refuse to take them even when they're wide open. If you don't have a grasp of basic macroeconomics, don't talk about "jobs" like they're a commodity traded on the exchange market. It makes you look silly.

Don't get me wrong -- I'm staunchly opposed to human trafficking across the border. I hate that we have people on both sides of the paycheck screwing the system (albeit the workers are much more sympathetic). But the truth is that we only have so many resources for enforcement. Plenty of them are contributing to society even though they technically shouldn't be here. It's inefficient and ineffective to go after these people, especially the ones who had no choice in the matter (dreamers). Focus on the ones who are actually dangerous, especially the smugglers and "coyotes."

And before Ulti claims that DACA lied about who it helps, put up your resources or shut up.
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WhoopsyDaisy posted...

You notice how conservatives wanna protect workers and liberals wanna protect businesses when it comes to illegal immigration?

and people thought I was being too dismissive of you lmao
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trdl23 posted...

WhoopsyDaisy posted...

You notice how conservatives wanna protect workers and liberals wanna protect businesses when it comes to illegal immigration?

Spoiler alert: the workers are the immigrants.

With a lack of immigrants doing farm labor (legal or otherwise), crops are literally rotting in the fields because farms can't get people to do the work. It's not "taking jobs away" from citizens if said citizens refuse to take them even when they're wide open. If you don't have a grasp of basic macroeconomics, don't talk about "jobs" like they're a commodity traded on the exchange market. It makes you look silly.

Don't get me wrong -- I'm staunchly opposed to human trafficking across the border. I hate that we have people on both sides of the paycheck screwing the system (albeit the workers are much more sympathetic). But the truth is that we only have so many resources for enforcement. Plenty of them are contributing to society even though they technically shouldn't be here. It's inefficient and ineffective to go after these people, especially the ones who had no choice in the matter (dreamers). Focus on the ones who are actually dangerous, especially the smugglers and "coyotes."

And before Ulti claims that DACA lied about who it helps, put up your resources or shut up.

Right but the arguments are about protecting our legally-here workers
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WhoopsyDaisy posted...

Right but the arguments are about protecting our legally-here workers

If you can find enough legally-here workers to pick all the crops, then sure.
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WhoopsyDaisy posted...

You notice how conservatives wanna protect workers and liberals wanna protect businesses when it comes to illegal immigration?

This is one of the rare instances where the interests of the workers (the illegal immigrants) and the businesses (mostly farms) line up perfectly.

The businesses could get the labor they need and the workers get to make minimum wage and become eligible for benefits.

Literally, everyone would win with more liberal immigration laws.
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WhoopsyDaisy posted...

Right but the arguments are about protecting our legally-here workers

Protecting who? Show me the group of people who want to work these jobs that can't find them.

There aren't enough workers to fill all the blue collar and service industry jobs that already exist.

People would not stay here if they weren't getting paid. They'd just leave.
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WhoopsyDaisy posted...

You notice how conservatives wanna protect workers and liberals wanna protect businesses when it comes to illegal immigration?

Is it just me or is this generally the opposite of reality
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Peace___Frog posted...

WhoopsyDaisy posted...

You notice how conservatives wanna protect workers and liberals wanna protect businesses when it comes to illegal immigration?

Is it just me or is this generally the opposite of reality

I'll give him credit for trying to make a good-faith argument, but it relies on faulty assumptions and he doesn't seem to realize that despite being told by several people <_<
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http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/349490-gop-leaders-prevent-votes-to-ban-federal-spending-at-trump?amp

Open to arguments about how the GOP isn't complicit in Donald's conflicts of interest with his Presidency and business responsibilities.
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They're more than complicit. But hopefully after yesterday's betrayal they're more willing to tell him to fuck off.
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I mean, it's definitely true that American Democrats are not always on the side of the worker. Tim Kaine supported "right-to-work" (anti-union) legislation, for example.

That said, in general, immigrant workers are only allowed to be brought in for jobs where there is a shortage of local workers willing to do the work. (That's why I, as a Canadian, am able to work in the US, for example. There's a shortage of computer programmers. In fact, the US still doesn't allow enough computer programmers over the border and Silicon Valley is angry about this).

By contrast, in sought after jobs where there is a surplus of local demand for the jobs (say, car assembly lines in Detroit) will hire damn near 100% American.

Yelling against policies that allow immigrant workers is...usually just flash with not a lot of substance. It's not exclusively a right-wing thing, either. Bernie Sanders did this (as an immigrant worker who leans pretty far left, my political leanings should make me like Sanders, but his stances on immigration were something I don't like about him).
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I haven't seen a more perfect visual analogy to the current state of the US. Oregon fires near this golf course:

https://mobile.twitter.com/SuperJoeMunday/status/905281591789879296
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/905788459301908480

For all of those (DACA) that are concerned about your status during the 6 month period, you have nothing to worry about - No action!

What does this even mean? Why bother rescinding it if you're not going to do anything? Or is he attempting to lull them into a false sense of security?
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Peace___Frog posted...

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/905788459301908480

For all of those (DACA) that are concerned about your status during the 6 month period, you have nothing to worry about - No action!

What does this even mean? Why bother rescinding it if you're not going to do anything? Or is he attempting to lull them into a false sense of security?

It's a 6 month delay on removing it.

That's exactly what it sounds like. Nothing happens until after 6 months.
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Smoke on the street is that Pelosi asked him to tweet something like this to assuage Dreamers' fears of anything happening to them in the immediate future

So he's THAT FRIENDLY with the Dems now

And if you don't like it, you're a RINO!
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It's almost like we have a President who most favors anyone being complimentary and nice to him, regardless of policy, and the Dems figured it out first
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So...is Donald removing executive action to try to make this into law like McCain saying they should vote on health care before voting no on their version? These two swerves feel similar.
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AFAIK he's just saying Congress has 6 months to decide what to do about DACA permanently, or else he'll unilaterally decide what to do about it with executive power based on whatever his whims are at that time
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It really feels like he's just stirring up shit for no other reason that to stir up shit. Like, even more so than usual.
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metroid composite posted...

I mean, it's definitely true that American Democrats are not always on the side of the worker. Tim Kaine supported "right-to-work" (anti-union) legislation, for example.

That said, in general, immigrant workers are only allowed to be brought in for jobs where there is a shortage of local workers willing to do the work. (That's why I, as a Canadian, am able to work in the US, for example. There's a shortage of computer programmers. In fact, the US still doesn't allow enough computer programmers over the border and Silicon Valley is angry about this).

By contrast, in sought after jobs where there is a surplus of local demand for the jobs (say, car assembly lines in Detroit) will hire damn near 100% American.

Yelling against policies that allow immigrant workers is...usually just flash with not a lot of substance. It's not exclusively a right-wing thing, either. Bernie Sanders did this (as an immigrant worker who leans pretty far left, my political leanings should make me like Sanders, but his stances on immigration were something I don't like about him).

Right to work is by definition a worker friendly stance (though you certainly can argue it is anti worker and pro company).
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kevwaffles posted...

It really feels like he's just stirring up shit for no other reason that to stir up shit. Like, even more so than usual.

It's a constant King Lear-esque reality show where whoever loves him more gets the rewards
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https://twitter.com/mikedebonis/status/905811812410589184

Pelosi on this morning: "I was telling my colleagues, this is what I asked the president to do, and boom boom boom, the tweet appeared."

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So does this mean Ben Garrison will stop drawing him as oddly handsome?

God, what if he does a true pivot (HA) and actually does become this middle-of-the-road negotiator just cause Dems are nice to him? What does the Alt-Right do then?
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Ubisoft's comedy RPG South Park: The Fractured but Whole features various levels of difficulty, from easy to very difficult, much like most games. What's different though is the difficulty affects the colour of your character's skin.
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During the process, South Park stalwart Eric Cartman will comment: "Don't worry, this doesn't affect combat. Just every other aspect of your whole life."

Incoming alt-right boycott of the SJW South Park
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I'll also make a hypothetical that takes a step further and follows in the footsteps of a certain governor he just celebrated: what if Donald changes parties?
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CelesMyUserName posted...

Ubisoft's comedy RPG South Park: The Fractured but Whole features various levels of difficulty, from easy to very difficult, much like most games. What's different though is the difficulty affects the colour of your character's skin.
[...]
During the process, South Park stalwart Eric Cartman will comment: "Don't worry, this doesn't affect combat. Just every other aspect of your whole life."

Incoming alt-right boycott of the SJW South Park

So excited for South Park to return.
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https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/09/07/us/politics/trump-russia-investigation.html

Reddit-

"This meeting never happened!

Ok it was about adoptions, 4 people!

Ok 8 people

Ok it was about Clinton, but out of civic duty!

Why do people trust this clown?"

Seriously though, how many times is his story gonna change? It's like that Sandler/Farley scene.

"Okay so it was about collusion with the Russian government to undermine American democracy. Is that such a crime??"
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HaRRicH posted...

I'll also make a hypothetical that takes a step further and follows in the footsteps of a certain governor he just celebrated: what if Donald changes parties?

To be fair Trump was never a hard Republican, most of his views are moderate/neutral. He just wants to get things done (win) and it doesn't really matter what gets passed.

The Republicans have already shown that they can't get things done, if the Democrats can get things done or the threat of him going to the Democrats gets the Republicans to group together then Trump will be happy to get the win.
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https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/75719721/886180071

More Vlado on Don Jr
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I wonder if there are issues with officially switching parties once you've already started accepting donations for the next election campaign, as Trump has.
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Probabky the same issues as Mighty No. 9 not being the Mega Man game people expected during their Kickstarter campaign: the donors and the press.
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CelesMyUserName posted...

Ubisoft's comedy RPG South Park: The Fractured but Whole features various levels of difficulty, from easy to very difficult, much like most games. What's different though is the difficulty affects the colour of your character's skin.
[...]
During the process, South Park stalwart Eric Cartman will comment: "Don't worry, this doesn't affect combat. Just every other aspect of your whole life."

Incoming alt-right boycott of the SJW South Park

If this is for real, I might have to buy it!
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ClickHole has a new Alex Jones parody video series on PatriotHole

http://www.clickhole.com/video/border-under-siege-americas-effeminate-long-haired-6621

Watch that video. How easily could you see Ulti coming here with some of these images and "facts?"
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https://twitter.com/jakesherman/status/905826121459130369

Just keep reeling him in, Nancy. You found the perfect bait.
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Pelosi is pretty damn good at her job. There's a reason she's still minority leader.
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https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/10/the-first-white-president-ta-nehisi-coates/537909/

Looooots of good stuff in here. Ta-Nehisis Coates may very well be the single best political analyst around today.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2017-09-07/gop-senators-to-try-again-with-alternate-obamacare-replacement

Motherfucker
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LordoftheMorons posted...

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2017-09-07/gop-senators-to-try-again-with-alternate-obamacare-replacement

Motherfucker

Doesn't seem fundamentally different from proposals that Collins and Murkowski voted down, and it doesn't have the committee process that McCain insisted on last time around. I wouldn't worry just yet, but it's definitely something to keep an eye on.
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You know, I didn't realize how expensive pre-school was until my kids started pre-school (Which they did last week). It's almost as expensive as community college. That seems kind of crazy to me. And in some states it costs more than college!
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I assume this is a private pre-school? Public school starts at K still, right?
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Not_an_Owl posted...

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/10/the-first-white-president-ta-nehisi-coates/537909/

Looooots of good stuff in here. Ta-Nehisis Coates may very well be the single best political analyst around today.

Thanks, this was such a good read. I wish I was even 10% the writer that Coates is.
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Jakyl25 posted...

I assume this is a private pre-school? Public school starts at K still, right?

There are some states/districts with public Pre-K. Texas has it statewide iirc (at the very least, most of the districts in the Dallas area do)
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Jakyl25 posted...

I assume this is a private pre-school? Public school starts at K still, right?

No, not a private pre-school. It's part of the public school progam. At least here it is.
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https://twitter.com/desideriodc/status/905880044484136961

Sounds like something Don Jr said didn't pass the smell test
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Ashethan posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

I assume this is a private pre-school? Public school starts at K still, right?

No, not a private pre-school. It's part of the public school progam. At least here it is.

But there's still an extra charge for enrollment?
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Jakyl25 posted...

But there's still an extra charge for enrollment?

Here you pay based on how many days your kids go to pre-school. Between 2 and 5 days a week. (We send our two five days a week, because we want them to get the most out of it.)
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