Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 131: Deferred Action by Childish Administration

Topic List	Page List: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 ... 10
HaRRicH 09/06/17 3:15:36 PM #52:	On rhis anti-Pelosi thing: I never knew her career too well outside of I think being a big player in passing the ACA. I see The Young Turks tearing into her a lot lately though and knew Republicans have gone after her for ages. I think there's been a few posts against her here, but nothing too vocal...hard to remember. --- Posted using GameFlux Get it now for Android from Google Play! <cite>HaRRicH posted [p:886136357] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>On rhis anti-Pelosi thing: I never knew her career too well outside of I think being a big player in passing the ACA. I see The Young Turks tearing into her a lot lately though and knew Republicans have gone after her for ages. I think there's been a few posts against her here, but nothing too vocal...hard to remember.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 09/06/17 3:16:35 PM #53:	What a wild afternoon --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:886136408] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>What a wild afternoon</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/06/17 3:17:46 PM #54:	https://twitter.com/cnnpolitics/status/905502791975698433 Lol Mitch --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:886136483] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/cnnpolitics/status/905502791975698433 Lol Mitch</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhoopsyDaisy 09/06/17 3:20:23 PM #55:	How much does it cost to have one person here? I mean, do we actually know the costs involved? I suspect a lot of our population costs more to the country than they put in. We've got 11.3 million people in the US illegally, which means 10.5 million more than the DACA people. How much wear and tear on our roads is that? How much extra food and fuel subsidy does the government pay? How much does the government have to pay in police and teachers? How much does the government pay in accounting and data science and advertising and other public employees? How much does the government have to pay for emergency services in case of accidents and injuries? How much does the government have to pay for chronic illnesses like diabetes or HIV? How much does that cost in food stamps or other kinds of welfare? How much does that cost our water treatment plants and power grids and garbage dumps? How much does that cost in cleaning rivers and roads? What impact does that amount of competition for jobs and housing have on wages and housing prices? How much money leaves the US and goes to their home countries? I'm just asking because these are really important questions that I haven't heard any numbers on. I'd be a lot more open to the idea that they should be allowed to stay if I had any idea what the costs involved are. --- senorhousemouse "I feel like you can't be a real person" - OmarsComin <cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted [p:886136608] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>How much does it cost to have one person here? I mean, do we actually know the costs involved? I suspect a lot of our population costs more to the country than they put in. We've got 11.3 million people in the US illegally, which means 10.5 million more than the DACA people. How much wear and tear on our roads is that? How much extra food and fuel subsidy does the government pay? How much does the government have to pay in police and teachers? How much does the government pay in accounting and data science and advertising and other public employees? How much does the government have to pay for emergency services in case of accidents and injuries? How much does the government have to pay for chronic illnesses like diabetes or HIV? How much does that cost in food stamps or other kinds of welfare? How much does that cost our water treatment plants and power grids and garbage dumps? How much does that cost in cleaning rivers and roads? What impact does that amount of competition for jobs and housing have on wages and housing prices? How much money leaves the US and goes to their home countries? I'm just asking because these are really important questions that I haven't heard any numbers on. I'd be a lot more open to the idea that they should be allowed to stay if I had any idea what the costs involved are.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/06/17 3:22:03 PM #56:	https://twitter.com/carlquintanilla/status/905503114836443136 Schumer and Trump about to make out --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:886136696] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/carlquintanilla/status/905503114836443136 Schumer and Trump about to make out</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 09/06/17 3:22:31 PM #57:	Jakyl25 posted... Schemer Freudian slip? --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else. <cite>Kenri posted [p:886136719] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Schemer</quote> Freudian slip?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/06/17 3:24:33 PM #58:	The best one --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:886136819] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>The best one</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 09/06/17 3:25:54 PM #59:	WhoopsyDaisy posted... How much does the government have to pay for emergency services in case of accidents and injuries? How much does the government have to pay for chronic illnesses like diabetes or HIV? That's generally a cost to private businesses, fyi --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:886136890] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote>How much does the government have to pay for emergency services in case of accidents and injuries? How much does the government have to pay for chronic illnesses like diabetes or HIV?</quote> That's generally a cost to private businesses, fyi</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 09/06/17 3:26:17 PM #60:	He may be a schember but he's our schemer. --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else. <cite>Kenri posted [p:886136910] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>He may be a schember but he's our schemer.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/06/17 3:26:33 PM #61:	WhoopsyDaisy posted... How much wear and tear on our roads is that? I just want to say that this is a silly question considering that roads are generally funded by gasoline taxes, which illegal immigrants have to buy just like the rest of us --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:886136932] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote>How much wear and tear on our roads is that?</quote> I just want to say that this is a silly question considering that roads are generally funded by gasoline taxes, which illegal immigrants have to buy just like the rest of us</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 09/06/17 3:27:38 PM #62:	This likely works out well for the Dems, but the prospect of bluffing with the debt limit in three months makes me very nervous. --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:886136987] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>This likely works out well for the Dems, but the prospect of bluffing with the debt limit in three months makes me very nervous.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/06/17 3:27:56 PM #63:	In LOLBREITBART news https://twitter.com/_almaqah/status/905217614770823168 --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:886137004] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>In LOLBREITBART news https://twitter.com/_almaqah/status/905217614770823168</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CelesMyUserName 09/06/17 3:28:23 PM #64:	WhoopsyDaisy posted... How much does it cost to have one person here? I mean, do we actually know the costs involved? I suspect a lot of our population costs more to the country than they put in. We've got 11.3 million people in the US illegally, which means 10.5 million more than the DACA people. How much wear and tear on our roads is that? How much extra food and fuel subsidy does the government pay? How much does the government have to pay in police and teachers? How much does the government pay in accounting and data science and advertising and other public employees? How much does the government have to pay for emergency services in case of accidents and injuries? How much does the government have to pay for chronic illnesses like diabetes or HIV? How much does that cost in food stamps or other kinds of welfare? How much does that cost our water treatment plants and power grids and garbage dumps? How much does that cost in cleaning rivers and roads? What impact does that amount of competition for jobs and housing have on wages and housing prices? How much money leaves the US and goes to their home countries? I'm just asking because these are really important questions that I haven't heard any numbers on. I'd be a lot more open to the idea that they should be allowed to stay if I had any idea what the costs involved are. what --- http://i.imgur.com/U7qSWmn.jpg something something hung something horse something <cite>CelesMyUserName posted [p:886137032] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote>How much does it cost to have one person here? I mean, do we actually know the costs involved? I suspect a lot of our population costs more to the country than they put in. We've got 11.3 million people in the US illegally, which means 10.5 million more than the DACA people. How much wear and tear on our roads is that? How much extra food and fuel subsidy does the government pay? How much does the government have to pay in police and teachers? How much does the government pay in accounting and data science and advertising and other public employees? How much does the government have to pay for emergency services in case of accidents and injuries? How much does the government have to pay for chronic illnesses like diabetes or HIV? How much does that cost in food stamps or other kinds of welfare? How much does that cost our water treatment plants and power grids and garbage dumps? How much does that cost in cleaning rivers and roads? What impact does that amount of competition for jobs and housing have on wages and housing prices? How much money leaves the US and goes to their home countries? I'm just asking because these are really important questions that I haven't heard any numbers on. I'd be a lot more open to the idea that they should be allowed to stay if I had any idea what the costs involved are.</quote> what</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HashtagSEP 09/06/17 3:28:34 PM #65:	How much clean oxygen are they taking from our children? How much is the government paying in damages when they dared to wear the same outfit as Kelly to Eric's party? How much are they throwing off the "# Served" numbers on the McDonalds signs? --- #SEP #Awesome #Excellent #Greatness #SteveNash #VitaminWater #SmellingLikeTheVault #Pigeon #Sexy #ActuallyAVeryIntelligentVelociraptor #Heel #CoolSpot #EndOfSig <cite>HashtagSEP posted [p:886137040] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>How much clean oxygen are they taking from our children? How much is the government paying in damages when they dared to wear the same outfit as Kelly to Eric's party? How much are they throwing off the "# Served" numbers on the McDonalds signs?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 09/06/17 3:28:41 PM #66:	Only focusing on costs and ignoring benefits is also a piss poor way to conduct a cost - benefit analysis. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:886137047] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>Only focusing on costs and ignoring benefits is also a piss poor way to conduct a cost - benefit analysis.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 09/06/17 3:28:47 PM #67:	Suprak the Stud posted... Is there a reason the democrats don't want the 18 month extension Mnuchin was proposing? Opposing the debt ceiling hike is a bad look got Republicans because it feels like reckless risktaking to not do it Dems want them to hang by their thumbs on this particular idiocy --- Board 8's Voice of Reason http://i.imgur.com/chXIw06.jpg <cite>Eddv posted [p:886137051] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>Suprak the Stud posted...</cite> <quote>Is there a reason the democrats don't want the 18 month extension Mnuchin was proposing?</quote> Opposing the debt ceiling hike is a bad look got Republicans because it feels like reckless risktaking to not do it Dems want them to hang by their thumbs on this particular idiocy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/06/17 3:29:18 PM #68:	LordoftheMorons posted... This likely works out well for the Dems, but the prospect of bluffing with the debt limit in three months makes me very nervous. Right. The GOP solution was 100% just as politically motivated but to be fair it's a safer solution in practice. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:886137083] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote>This likely works out well for the Dems, but the prospect of bluffing with the debt limit in three months makes me very nervous.</quote> Right. The GOP solution was 100% just as politically motivated but to be fair it's a safer solution in practice.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhoopsyDaisy 09/06/17 3:33:04 PM #69:	CelesMyUserName posted... WhoopsyDaisy posted... How much does it cost to have one person here? I mean, do we actually know the costs involved? I suspect a lot of our population costs more to the country than they put in. We've got 11.3 million people in the US illegally, which means 10.5 million more than the DACA people. How much wear and tear on our roads is that? How much extra food and fuel subsidy does the government pay? How much does the government have to pay in police and teachers? How much does the government pay in accounting and data science and advertising and other public employees? How much does the government have to pay for emergency services in case of accidents and injuries? How much does the government have to pay for chronic illnesses like diabetes or HIV? How much does that cost in food stamps or other kinds of welfare? How much does that cost our water treatment plants and power grids and garbage dumps? How much does that cost in cleaning rivers and roads? What impact does that amount of competition for jobs and housing have on wages and housing prices? How much money leaves the US and goes to their home countries? I'm just asking because these are really important questions that I haven't heard any numbers on. I'd be a lot more open to the idea that they should be allowed to stay if I had any idea what the costs involved are. what The government spends more on services than they otherwise would to accommodate these 11.3 million people. And everyone spends a lot of the government's money. How much? It's possible these numbers are small enough that every immigrant is profitable and there's no reason to turn anyone away but I don't even know how many digits long these numbers are. --- senorhousemouse "I feel like you can't be a real person" - OmarsComin <cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted [p:886137250] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>CelesMyUserName posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote>How much does it cost to have one person here? I mean, do we actually know the costs involved? I suspect a lot of our population costs more to the country than they put in. We've got 11.3 million people in the US illegally, which means 10.5 million more than the DACA people. How much wear and tear on our roads is that? How much extra food and fuel subsidy does the government pay? How much does the government have to pay in police and teachers? How much does the government pay in accounting and data science and advertising and other public employees? How much does the government have to pay for emergency services in case of accidents and injuries? How much does the government have to pay for chronic illnesses like diabetes or HIV? How much does that cost in food stamps or other kinds of welfare? How much does that cost our water treatment plants and power grids and garbage dumps? How much does that cost in cleaning rivers and roads? What impact does that amount of competition for jobs and housing have on wages and housing prices? How much money leaves the US and goes to their home countries? I'm just asking because these are really important questions that I haven't heard any numbers on. I'd be a lot more open to the idea that they should be allowed to stay if I had any idea what the costs involved are.</quote> what</quote> The government spends more on services than they otherwise would to accommodate these 11.3 million people. And everyone spends a lot of the government's money. How much? It's possible these numbers are small enough that every immigrant is profitable and there's no reason to turn anyone away but I don't even know how many digits long these numbers are.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/06/17 3:33:46 PM #70:	https://twitter.com/sensasse/status/905500235148996608 The GOP has already named this plan, lol --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:886137284] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/sensasse/status/905500235148996608 The GOP has already named this plan, lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 09/06/17 3:34:46 PM #71:	Even if they're not profitable, you're trying to kill a fly for bothering you when there's a dinosaur - sized tarantula eyeing you up. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:886137336] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>Even if they're not profitable, you're trying to kill a fly for bothering you when there's a dinosaur - sized tarantula eyeing you up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhoopsyDaisy 09/06/17 3:40:19 PM #72:	It's not punishment to kick out trespassers and they don't stop being trespassers just because they've been here a while. There's a reason there's a process to get access to the money that government spends on people. And the population of 340,000,000 people can work on more than one issue at once. Avoiding asking questions we need the answers to because they may hurt someone's fee fees is a great way to make existing problems worse. --- senorhousemouse "I feel like you can't be a real person" - OmarsComin <cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted [p:886137640] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>It's not punishment to kick out trespassers and they don't stop being trespassers just because they've been here a while. There's a reason there's a process to get access to the money that government spends on people. And the population of 340,000,000 people can work on more than one issue at once. Avoiding asking questions we need the answers to because they may hurt someone's fee fees is a great way to make existing problems worse.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 09/06/17 3:40:50 PM #73:	Sorry if answered, at work, hearing DACA is safe? --- **** Netflix <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:886137674] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>Sorry if answered, at work, hearing DACA is safe?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 09/06/17 3:44:59 PM #74:	WhoopsyDaisy posted... How much does it cost to have one person here? I mean, do we actually know the costs involved? I suspect a lot of our population costs more to the country than they put in. We've got 11.3 million people in the US illegally, which means 10.5 million more than the DACA people. How much wear and tear on our roads is that? How much extra food and fuel subsidy does the government pay? How much does the government have to pay in police and teachers? How much does the government pay in accounting and data science and advertising and other public employees? How much does the government have to pay for emergency services in case of accidents and injuries? How much does the government have to pay for chronic illnesses like diabetes or HIV? How much does that cost in food stamps or other kinds of welfare? How much does that cost our water treatment plants and power grids and garbage dumps? How much does that cost in cleaning rivers and roads? What impact does that amount of competition for jobs and housing have on wages and housing prices? How much money leaves the US and goes to their home countries? I'm just asking because these are really important questions that I haven't heard any numbers on. I'd be a lot more open to the idea that they should be allowed to stay if I had any idea what the costs involved are. Realize that 0 of these people would be here if there werent an economic need for them to be here. How badly would the economy tank if there were no one to fill the manual labor jobs these people fill? How many bigoted 'business majors' would have to live in their parents basement because their employer no longer made enough money to hire them. What amount of our tourism industry would simply wither and die? --- Board 8's Voice of Reason http://i.imgur.com/chXIw06.jpg <cite>Eddv posted [p:886137906] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote>How much does it cost to have one person here? I mean, do we actually know the costs involved? I suspect a lot of our population costs more to the country than they put in. We've got 11.3 million people in the US illegally, which means 10.5 million more than the DACA people. How much wear and tear on our roads is that? How much extra food and fuel subsidy does the government pay? How much does the government have to pay in police and teachers? How much does the government pay in accounting and data science and advertising and other public employees? How much does the government have to pay for emergency services in case of accidents and injuries? How much does the government have to pay for chronic illnesses like diabetes or HIV? How much does that cost in food stamps or other kinds of welfare? How much does that cost our water treatment plants and power grids and garbage dumps? How much does that cost in cleaning rivers and roads? What impact does that amount of competition for jobs and housing have on wages and housing prices? How much money leaves the US and goes to their home countries? I'm just asking because these are really important questions that I haven't heard any numbers on. I'd be a lot more open to the idea that they should be allowed to stay if I had any idea what the costs involved are.</quote> Realize that 0 of these people would be here if there werent an economic need for them to be here. How badly would the economy tank if there were no one to fill the manual labor jobs these people fill? How many bigoted 'business majors' would have to live in their parents basement because their employer no longer made enough money to hire them. What amount of our tourism industry would simply wither and die?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/06/17 3:45:28 PM #75:	http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/06/schumer-and-pelosi-offer-support-for-harvey-aid-and-debt-limit-boost-242376 Good article about the ins and outs of who wanted what from this meeting --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:886137929] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/06/schumer-and-pelosi-offer-support-for-harvey-aid-and-debt-limit-boost-242376 Good article about the ins and outs of who wanted what from this meeting</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CelesMyUserName 09/06/17 3:48:23 PM #76:	it's always good when people do the "I don't know the numbers" shtick while continually arguing for one conclusion --- http://i.imgur.com/U7qSWmn.jpg something something hung something horse something <cite>CelesMyUserName posted [p:886138092] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>it's always good when people do the "I don't know the numbers" shtick while continually arguing for one conclusion</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/06/17 3:49:10 PM #77:	LapisLazuli posted... Sorry if answered, at work, hearing DACA is safe? Well it's still up to Congress But now thanks to this deal they can't just ride out the 6 months deadline and put it back on Trump to end it or keep it. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:886138155] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>LapisLazuli posted...</cite> <quote>Sorry if answered, at work, hearing DACA is safe?</quote> Well it's still up to Congress But now thanks to this deal they can't just ride out the 6 months deadline and put it back on Trump to end it or keep it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhoopsyDaisy 09/06/17 3:51:24 PM #78:	Eddv posted... WhoopsyDaisy posted... How much does it cost to have one person here? I mean, do we actually know the costs involved? I suspect a lot of our population costs more to the country than they put in. We've got 11.3 million people in the US illegally, which means 10.5 million more than the DACA people. How much wear and tear on our roads is that? How much extra food and fuel subsidy does the government pay? How much does the government have to pay in police and teachers? How much does the government pay in accounting and data science and advertising and other public employees? How much does the government have to pay for emergency services in case of accidents and injuries? How much does the government have to pay for chronic illnesses like diabetes or HIV? How much does that cost in food stamps or other kinds of welfare? How much does that cost our water treatment plants and power grids and garbage dumps? How much does that cost in cleaning rivers and roads? What impact does that amount of competition for jobs and housing have on wages and housing prices? How much money leaves the US and goes to their home countries? I'm just asking because these are really important questions that I haven't heard any numbers on. I'd be a lot more open to the idea that they should be allowed to stay if I had any idea what the costs involved are. Realize that 0 of these people would be here if there werent an economic need for them to be here. How badly would the economy tank if there were no one to fill the manual labor jobs these people fill? How many bigoted 'business majors' would have to live in their parents basement because their employer no longer made enough money to hire them. What amount of our tourism industry would simply wither and die? According to this: www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/27/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/ the industry with the highest amounts of unauthorized workers are farming and construction with 26% and 15%. Would replacing that portion with legal residents really cause that much economic instability? I mean it's better for the employers, but if a company is running on such a tight budget that their undocumented workforce is the difference between success and failure they're almost certainly doomed anyway. How much of our tourism industry is a result of illegal immigration? I mean like seriously I'm just asking how much extra they cost our infrastructure and it's like you're afraid the answer is gonna be really high so you just avoid the question. --- senorhousemouse "I feel like you can't be a real person" - OmarsComin <cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted [p:886138289] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>Eddv posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote>How much does it cost to have one person here? I mean, do we actually know the costs involved? I suspect a lot of our population costs more to the country than they put in. We've got 11.3 million people in the US illegally, which means 10.5 million more than the DACA people. How much wear and tear on our roads is that? How much extra food and fuel subsidy does the government pay? How much does the government have to pay in police and teachers? How much does the government pay in accounting and data science and advertising and other public employees? How much does the government have to pay for emergency services in case of accidents and injuries? How much does the government have to pay for chronic illnesses like diabetes or HIV? How much does that cost in food stamps or other kinds of welfare? How much does that cost our water treatment plants and power grids and garbage dumps? How much does that cost in cleaning rivers and roads? What impact does that amount of competition for jobs and housing have on wages and housing prices? How much money leaves the US and goes to their home countries? I'm just asking because these are really important questions that I haven't heard any numbers on. I'd be a lot more open to the idea that they should be allowed to stay if I had any idea what the costs involved are.</quote> Realize that 0 of these people would be here if there werent an economic need for them to be here. How badly would the economy tank if there were no one to fill the manual labor jobs these people fill? How many bigoted 'business majors' would have to live in their parents basement because their employer no longer made enough money to hire them. What amount of our tourism industry would simply wither and die?</quote> According to this: www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/27/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/ the industry with the highest amounts of unauthorized workers are farming and construction with 26% and 15%. Would replacing that portion with legal residents really cause that much economic instability? I mean it's better for the employers, but if a company is running on such a tight budget that their undocumented workforce is the difference between success and failure they're almost certainly doomed anyway. How much of our tourism industry is a result of illegal immigration? I mean like seriously I'm just asking how much extra they cost our infrastructure and it's like you're afraid the answer is gonna be really high so you just avoid the question.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 09/06/17 3:52:13 PM #79:	CelesMyUserName posted... it's always good when people do the "I don't know the numbers" shtick while continually arguing for one conclusion I don't know the numbers, but I'm willing to bet that shm has smashed his face into a brick wall more than once. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:886138334] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>CelesMyUserName posted...</cite> <quote>it's always good when people do the "I don't know the numbers" shtick while continually arguing for one conclusion</quote> I don't know the numbers, but I'm willing to bet that shm has smashed his face into a brick wall more than once.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhoopsyDaisy 09/06/17 3:53:02 PM #80:	CelesMyUserName posted... it's always good when people do the "I don't know the numbers" shtick while continually arguing for one conclusion It's not a trick, I don't know the numbers. No one has stated any numbers. If you provide numbers I'm willing to change my mind in light of new evidence. I know it sounds like I'm trying to epically own you or whatever but I'm literally just asking for numbers. --- senorhousemouse "I feel like you can't be a real person" - OmarsComin <cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted [p:886138374] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>CelesMyUserName posted...</cite> <quote>it's always good when people do the "I don't know the numbers" shtick while continually arguing for one conclusion</quote> It's not a trick, I don't know the numbers. No one has stated any numbers. If you provide numbers I'm willing to change my mind in light of new evidence. I know it sounds like I'm trying to epically own you or whatever but I'm literally just asking for numbers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
banananor 09/06/17 3:57:01 PM #81:	WhoopsyDaisy posted... CelesMyUserName posted... it's always good when people do the "I don't know the numbers" shtick while continually arguing for one conclusion It's not a trick, I don't know the numbers. No one has stated any numbers. If you provide numbers I'm willing to change my mind in light of new evidence. I know it sounds like I'm trying to epically own you or whatever but I'm literally just asking for numbers. i think the point is... how does one become in support of a stance without looking at any evidence? --- You did indeed stab me in the back. However, you are only level one, whilst I am level 50. That means I should remain uninjured. <cite>banananor posted [p:886138610] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CelesMyUserName posted...</cite> <quote>it's always good when people do the "I don't know the numbers" shtick while continually arguing for one conclusion</quote> It's not a trick, I don't know the numbers. No one has stated any numbers. If you provide numbers I'm willing to change my mind in light of new evidence. I know it sounds like I'm trying to epically own you or whatever but I'm literally just asking for numbers.</quote> i think the point is... how does one become in support of a stance without looking at any evidence?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhoopsyDaisy 09/06/17 3:57:51 PM #82:	"Hey let's add Amiibo support to this game." "I don't know how many additional units that would sell, but it's worth considering. How much is that gonna cost?" "HOW DARE YOU ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THE COSTS OF IMPLEMENTING THIS FEATURE YOU NAYSAYING AMIIBOPHOBE" edit: banananor posted... WhoopsyDaisy posted... CelesMyUserName posted... it's always good when people do the "I don't know the numbers" shtick while continually arguing for one conclusion It's not a trick, I don't know the numbers. No one has stated any numbers. If you provide numbers I'm willing to change my mind in light of new evidence. I know it sounds like I'm trying to epically own you or whatever but I'm literally just asking for numbers. i think the point is... how does one become in support of a stance without looking at any evidence? exactly. I don't have a problem with the government spending money but before agreeing to take on a cost we should at least know what it is. And we have resources that can combat global poverty more efficiently than our social infrastructure. --- senorhousemouse "I feel like you can't be a real person" - OmarsComin <cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted [p:886138655] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>"Hey let's add Amiibo support to this game." "I don't know how many additional units that would sell, but it's worth considering. How much is that gonna cost?" "HOW DARE YOU ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THE COSTS OF IMPLEMENTING THIS FEATURE YOU NAYSAYING AMIIBOPHOBE" edit: <cite>banananor posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CelesMyUserName posted...</cite> <quote>it's always good when people do the "I don't know the numbers" shtick while continually arguing for one conclusion</quote> It's not a trick, I don't know the numbers. No one has stated any numbers. If you provide numbers I'm willing to change my mind in light of new evidence. I know it sounds like I'm trying to epically own you or whatever but I'm literally just asking for numbers.</quote> i think the point is... how does one become in support of a stance without looking at any evidence?</quote> exactly. I don't have a problem with the government spending money but before agreeing to take on a cost we should at least know what it is. And we have resources that can combat global poverty more efficiently than our social infrastructure.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Regaro 09/06/17 3:58:40 PM #83:	WhoopsyDaisy posted... Would replacing that portion with legal residents really cause that much economic instability? IIRC parts of California tried this a few years back and literally couldn't fill the jobs. No source offhand, will pull some when I get home if nobody beats me to it. --- Congratulations to BKSheikah, winner of the BYIG Guru Contest <cite>Regaro posted [p:886138703] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote>Would replacing that portion with legal residents really cause that much economic instability? </quote> IIRC parts of California tried this a few years back and literally couldn't fill the jobs. No source offhand, will pull some when I get home if nobody beats me to it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 09/06/17 3:58:51 PM #84:	WhoopsyDaisy posted... CelesMyUserName posted... it's always good when people do the "I don't know the numbers" shtick while continually arguing for one conclusion It's not a trick, I don't know the numbers. No one has stated any numbers. If you provide numbers I'm willing to change my mind in light of new evidence. I know it sounds like I'm trying to epically own you or whatever but I'm literally just asking for numbers. Your argument leads to: https://twitter.com/MarkDice/status/905208839749885953 Maybe we should put the DREAMers to work building the wall as part of their reparations for costing us our tax dollars. #DACA. As i said before, if you're only asking for the costs and not also simultaneously the benefits, your analysis will be terrible. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:886138716] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CelesMyUserName posted...</cite> <quote>it's always good when people do the "I don't know the numbers" shtick while continually arguing for one conclusion</quote> It's not a trick, I don't know the numbers. No one has stated any numbers. If you provide numbers I'm willing to change my mind in light of new evidence. I know it sounds like I'm trying to epically own you or whatever but I'm literally just asking for numbers.</quote> Your argument leads to: https://twitter.com/MarkDice/status/905208839749885953 <quote>Maybe we should put the DREAMers to work building the wall as part of their reparations for costing us our tax dollars. #DACA.</quote> As i said before, if you're only asking for the costs and not also simultaneously the benefits, your analysis will be terrible.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SgtSphynx 09/06/17 3:59:59 PM #85:	Some shit happened while I was in class today, huh? --- Congrats to the BYIG Guru Winner, BKSheikah slurps yakisoba nods nods <cite>SgtSphynx posted [p:886138775] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>Some shit happened while I was in class today, huh?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 09/06/17 4:00:56 PM #86:	WhoopsyDaisy posted... "Hey let's add Amiibo support to this game." "I don't know how many additional units that would sell, but it's worth considering. How much is that gonna cost?" "HOW DARE YOU ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THE COSTS OF IMPLEMENTING THIS FEATURE YOU NAYSAYING AMIIBOPHOBE" This analogy fails because, again, you have not pondered the benefits and have only concentrated on the costs. Your very own analogy plows through your 'argument'. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:886138839] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote>"Hey let's add Amiibo support to this game." "I don't know how many additional units that would sell, but it's worth considering. How much is that gonna cost?" "HOW DARE YOU ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THE COSTS OF IMPLEMENTING THIS FEATURE YOU NAYSAYING AMIIBOPHOBE"</quote> This analogy fails because, again, you have not pondered the benefits and have only concentrated on the costs. Your very own analogy plows through your 'argument'.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhoopsyDaisy 09/06/17 4:02:04 PM #87:	Peace___Frog posted... WhoopsyDaisy posted... CelesMyUserName posted... it's always good when people do the "I don't know the numbers" shtick while continually arguing for one conclusion It's not a trick, I don't know the numbers. No one has stated any numbers. If you provide numbers I'm willing to change my mind in light of new evidence. I know it sounds like I'm trying to epically own you or whatever but I'm literally just asking for numbers. Your argument leads to: https://twitter.com/MarkDice/status/905208839749885953 Maybe we should put the DREAMers to work building the wall as part of their reparations for costing us our tax dollars. #DACA. As i said before, if you're only asking for the costs and not also simultaneously the benefits, your analysis will be terrible. And if you're only focusing on the benefits without simultaneously looking at the costs your analysis will be terrible. We already have people arguing all day long about how great it is that we have these people here but the fact that the government spends money on them is, like, Forbidden Information that it's rude to acknowledge. --- senorhousemouse "I feel like you can't be a real person" - OmarsComin <cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted [p:886138901] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>Peace___Frog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CelesMyUserName posted...</cite> <quote>it's always good when people do the "I don't know the numbers" shtick while continually arguing for one conclusion</quote> It's not a trick, I don't know the numbers. No one has stated any numbers. If you provide numbers I'm willing to change my mind in light of new evidence. I know it sounds like I'm trying to epically own you or whatever but I'm literally just asking for numbers.</quote> Your argument leads to: https://twitter.com/MarkDice/status/905208839749885953 <quote>Maybe we should put the DREAMers to work building the wall as part of their reparations for costing us our tax dollars. #DACA.</quote> As i said before, if you're only asking for the costs and not also simultaneously the benefits, your analysis will be terrible.</quote> And if you're only focusing on the benefits without simultaneously looking at the costs your analysis will be terrible. We already have people arguing all day long about how great it is that we have these people here but the fact that the government spends money on them is, like, Forbidden Information that it's rude to acknowledge.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
banananor 09/06/17 4:02:07 PM #88:	the debt ceiling thing doesn't feel like a real victory for the country, it's just politics that i don't care about kicking the can down the road 6 or 18 months doesn't make a real difference in society --- You did indeed stab me in the back. However, you are only level one, whilst I am level 50. That means I should remain uninjured. <cite>banananor posted [p:886138905] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>the debt ceiling thing doesn't feel like a real victory for the country, it's just politics that i don't care about kicking the can down the road 6 or 18 months doesn't make a real difference in society</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SupremeZero 09/06/17 4:03:09 PM #89:	Jakyl25 posted... https://twitter.com/jstein_vox/status/905482729898344453 Pelosi > Ryan Not exactly a high bar. --- There's always hope for better things in life. But you can't let anything, friend, lover,God himself,be your hope. You have to be your own hope <cite>SupremeZero posted [p:886138961] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/jstein_vox/status/905482729898344453 Pelosi > Ryan</quote> Not exactly a high bar.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 09/06/17 4:03:36 PM #90:	WhoopsyDaisy posted... And if you're only focusing on the benefits without simultaneously looking at the costs your analysis will be terrible. you'll notice that my response to your initial post was to clarify that some of those costs are to private businesses and not the government, if you please --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:886138979] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote>And if you're only focusing on the benefits without simultaneously looking at the costs your analysis will be terrible.</quote> you'll notice that my response to your initial post was to clarify that some of those costs are to private businesses and not the government, if you please</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
banananor 09/06/17 4:04:33 PM #91:	WhoopsyDaisy posted... exactly. I don't have a problem with the government spending money but before agreeing to take on a cost we should at least know what it is. And we have resources that can combat global poverty more efficiently than our social infrastructure. i think you may want to take a step back and think about how you ended up with your gut on one side from the start it's a pretty interesting experience like obviously reading between your lines you have a basic assumption that all people are leeches upon society --- You did indeed stab me in the back. However, you are only level one, whilst I am level 50. That means I should remain uninjured. <cite>banananor posted [p:886139037] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote>exactly. I don't have a problem with the government spending money but before agreeing to take on a cost we should at least know what it is. And we have resources that can combat global poverty more efficiently than our social infrastructure.</quote> i think you may want to take a step back and think about how you ended up with your gut on one side from the start it's a pretty interesting experience like obviously reading between your lines you have a basic assumption that all people are leeches upon society</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CelesMyUserName 09/06/17 4:04:43 PM #92:	"other people are putting forward pros but I don't know any cons to post what do i do" anyhow have your meme post of the day --- http://i.imgur.com/U7qSWmn.jpg something something hung something horse something <cite>CelesMyUserName posted [p:886139054] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>"other people are putting forward pros but I don't know any cons to post what do i do" anyhow have your meme post of the day </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HaRRicH 09/06/17 4:06:12 PM #93:	Regaro posted... WhoopsyDaisy posted... Would replacing that portion with legal residents really cause that much economic instability? IIRC parts of California tried this a few years back and literally couldn't fill the jobs. No source offhand, will pull some when I get home if nobody beats me to it. Here's a source about Kansas in the meanwhile: 6/21/2017 TWITTER - Joy Reed (author) Kansans who voted for deportations & a wall discover that elections have consequences. Wait til they get what they asked for on healthcare. https://t.co/klQ0SVQFPa IN RESPONSE TO BUSINESSWEEK Kansas farmers tell Trump that they ?need more Mexicans? https://t.co/lIX6FVEs99 https://t.co/HX2gGES5mc https://twitter.com/JoyAnnReid/status/877573246496976896 --- Posted using GameFlux Get it now for Android from Google Play! <cite>HaRRicH posted [p:886139150] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>Regaro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote>Would replacing that portion with legal residents really cause that much economic instability? </quote> IIRC parts of California tried this a few years back and literally couldn't fill the jobs. No source offhand, will pull some when I get home if nobody beats me to it.</quote> Here's a source about Kansas in the meanwhile: 6/21/2017 TWITTER - Joy Reed (author) Kansans who voted for deportations & a wall discover that elections have consequences. Wait til they get what they asked for on healthcare. https://t.co/klQ0SVQFPa IN RESPONSE TO BUSINESSWEEK Kansas farmers tell Trump that they ?need more Mexicans? https://t.co/lIX6FVEs99 https://t.co/HX2gGES5mc https://twitter.com/JoyAnnReid/status/877573246496976896</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SupremeZero 09/06/17 4:09:24 PM #94:	CelesMyUserName posted... "other people are putting forward pros but I don't know any cons to post what do i do" anyhow have your meme post of the day One of these two groups involves a woman, it was inevitable. --- There's always hope for better things in life. But you can't let anything, friend, lover,God himself,be your hope. You have to be your own hope <cite>SupremeZero posted [p:886139307] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>CelesMyUserName posted...</cite> <quote>"other people are putting forward pros but I don't know any cons to post what do i do" anyhow have your meme post of the day </quote> One of these two groups involves a woman, it was inevitable.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NFUN 09/06/17 4:13:26 PM #95:	HaRRicH posted... Kansas farmers tell Trump that they ?need more Mexicans? https://t.co/lIX6FVEs99 https://t.co/HX2gGES5mc Hey, at least that they're trying to meet the Mexicans halfway. They're even learning how to punctuate questions in Spanish! --- Thus is our treaty written, thus is our agreement made. Thought is the arrow of time; memory never fades. What was asked is given; the price is paid. ARF <cite>NFUN posted [p:886139498] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>HaRRicH posted...</cite> <quote>Kansas farmers tell Trump that they ?need more Mexicans? https://t.co/lIX6FVEs99 https://t.co/HX2gGES5mc</quote> Hey, at least that they're trying to meet the Mexicans halfway. They're even learning how to punctuate questions in Spanish!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhoopsyDaisy 09/06/17 4:16:14 PM #96:	banananor posted... WhoopsyDaisy posted... exactly. I don't have a problem with the government spending money but before agreeing to take on a cost we should at least know what it is. And we have resources that can combat global poverty more efficiently than our social infrastructure. i think you may want to take a step back and think about how you ended up with your gut on one side from the start it's a pretty interesting experience like obviously reading between your lines you have a basic assumption that all people are leeches upon society All I have is an awareness of all the ways I've spent the government's money. Looking at the things I have access, to they cost a lot. It's not a BAD thing when people take out more than they put in. It's the entire point of our infrastructure, that people who can't be productive enough to meaningfully contribute to it can still, say, have a smart phone and internet and air conditioning and transportation. Not everyone can be a doctor or lawyer or engineer, but lawfully residing in the US makes it way easier to live comfortably than most places. I don't know if granting all those privileges to as many people as come over is sustainable, and knowing what those costs are is a really important step to answering that question. Peace___Frog posted... WhoopsyDaisy posted... And if you're only focusing on the benefits without simultaneously looking at the costs your analysis will be terrible. you'll notice that my response to your initial post was to clarify that some of those costs are to private businesses and not the government, if you please Sure, but it's not always to private businesses. My HIV medication has a government-sponsored copay help program. Or if someone gets in a crash with a government employee or something. edit: didn't see this HaRRicH posted... Here's a source about Kansas in the meanwhile: 6/21/2017 TWITTER - Joy Reed (author) Kansans who voted for deportations & a wall discover that elections have consequences. Wait til they get what they asked for on healthcare. https://t.co/klQ0SVQFPa IN RESPONSE TO BUSINESSWEEK Kansas farmers tell Trump that they ?need more Mexicans? https://t.co/lIX6FVEs99 https://t.co/HX2gGES5mc https://twitter.com/JoyAnnReid/status/877573246496976896 "The price of milk would jump to $6.40 a gallon if U.S. dairy farms were deprived of access to immigrant workers, according to a 2015 report commissioned by the National Milk Producers Federation" that part sucks if it's true but I couldn't find that stat in the linked report, also the report didn't really distinguish between immigrants that are allowed to be here vs ones that are not --- senorhousemouse "I feel like you can't be a real person" - OmarsComin <cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted [p:886139644] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>banananor posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote>exactly. I don't have a problem with the government spending money but before agreeing to take on a cost we should at least know what it is. And we have resources that can combat global poverty more efficiently than our social infrastructure.</quote> i think you may want to take a step back and think about how you ended up with your gut on one side from the start it's a pretty interesting experience like obviously reading between your lines you have a basic assumption that all people are leeches upon society</quote> All I have is an awareness of all the ways I've spent the government's money. Looking at the things I have access, to they cost a lot. It's not a BAD thing when people take out more than they put in. It's the entire point of our infrastructure, that people who can't be productive enough to meaningfully contribute to it can still, say, have a smart phone and internet and air conditioning and transportation. Not everyone can be a doctor or lawyer or engineer, but lawfully residing in the US makes it way easier to live comfortably than most places. I don't know if granting all those privileges to as many people as come over is sustainable, and knowing what those costs are is a really important step to answering that question. <cite>Peace___Frog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote>And if you're only focusing on the benefits without simultaneously looking at the costs your analysis will be terrible.</quote> you'll notice that my response to your initial post was to clarify that some of those costs are to private businesses and not the government, if you please</quote> Sure, but it's not always to private businesses. My HIV medication has a government-sponsored copay help program. Or if someone gets in a crash with a government employee or something. edit: didn't see this <cite>HaRRicH posted...</cite> <quote>Here's a source about Kansas in the meanwhile: 6/21/2017 TWITTER - Joy Reed (author) Kansans who voted for deportations & a wall discover that elections have consequences. Wait til they get what they asked for on healthcare. https://t.co/klQ0SVQFPa IN RESPONSE TO BUSINESSWEEK Kansas farmers tell Trump that they ?need more Mexicans? https://t.co/lIX6FVEs99 https://t.co/HX2gGES5mc https://twitter.com/JoyAnnReid/status/877573246496976896</quote> "The price of milk would jump to $6.40 a gallon if U.S. dairy farms were deprived of access to immigrant workers, according to a 2015 report commissioned by the National Milk Producers Federation" that part sucks if it's true but I couldn't find that stat in the linked report, also the report didn't really distinguish between immigrants that are allowed to be here vs ones that are not</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HaRRicH 09/06/17 4:20:28 PM #97:	NFUN posted... Hey, at least that they're trying to meet the Mexicans halfway. They're even learning how to punctuate questions in Spanish! Okay I got no comeback on this one. --- Posted using GameFlux Get it now for Android from Google Play! <cite>HaRRicH posted [p:886139876] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>NFUN posted...</cite> <quote>Hey, at least that they're trying to meet the Mexicans halfway. They're even learning how to punctuate questions in Spanish!</quote> Okay I got no comeback on this one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 09/06/17 4:20:53 PM #98:	WhoopsyDaisy posted... I don't know if granting all those privileges to as many people as come over is sustainable, and knowing what those costs are is a really important step to answering that question. That's fair, and it makes sense that one country can't sustain 7 billion people. But it's 800,000 people (about 0.2% of our estimate population according to Wikipedia), who pay additional fees to live here and don't qualify for government funded assistance. Your definition of "a lot" is likely very different from what the government considers "a lot". I think that your effort and enthusiasm would be better suited to demanding greater penalties for committing, and fewer incentives to commit, white collar crime, since that impacts the bottom line to a degree of a lot of zeroes. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:886139895] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote>I don't know if granting all those privileges to as many people as come over is sustainable, and knowing what those costs are is a really important step to answering that question.</quote> That's fair, and it makes sense that one country can't sustain 7 billion people. But it's 800,000 people (about 0.2% of our estimate population according to Wikipedia), who pay additional fees to live here and don't qualify for government funded assistance. Your definition of "a lot" is likely very different from what the government considers "a lot". I think that your effort and enthusiasm would be better suited to demanding greater penalties for committing, and fewer incentives to commit, white collar crime, since that impacts the bottom line to a degree of a lot of zeroes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dowolf 09/06/17 4:23:50 PM #99:	So while I do not have specific numbers, it is generally accepted that illegal immigrants are a net boon to the government's coffers. The reason for this is that they pay taxes (e.g. sales tax, property tax either directly [from owning a home] or indirectly [some of that rent check is going towards that], payroll taxes if they are not being paid under the table [happens a lot -- an employer can honestly say "Well I had no idea he was illegal" because they chose not to ask the question and get away with that, but if they start dodging taxes, Uncle Sam's not gonna be too happy]), but do not have the ability to receive any benefits (as a lazy example, you can't get Social Security without a valid SSN). As for roads, this comes down to economics of scale. A road takes more wear and tear from one winter than it does from a year of cars, for instance, and having more people does not increase the amount of roads necessary by a proportionate amount. There will always have to be a single well-maintained road through the desert no matter how many people live in the surrounding areas, for instance. While that may seem reductionary, there's a lot of open space in this country punctuated by spread-out population centers, so that's a really large percentage of the roads. And I should probably stop editing posts a hundred times but YOU CAN'T STOP ME. --- Nonsense. "Testing" is for when you're still guessing--and now, I have no need to guess. -- Agatha, Girl Genius <cite>dowolf posted [p:886140059] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>So while I do not have specific numbers, it is generally accepted that illegal immigrants are a net boon to the government's coffers. The reason for this is that they pay taxes (e.g. sales tax, property tax either directly [from owning a home] or indirectly [some of that rent check is going towards that], payroll taxes if they are not being paid under the table [happens a lot -- an employer can honestly say "Well I had no idea he was illegal" because they chose not to ask the question and get away with that, but if they start dodging taxes, Uncle Sam's not gonna be too happy]), but do not have the ability to receive any benefits (as a lazy example, you can't get Social Security without a valid SSN). As for roads, this comes down to economics of scale. A road takes more wear and tear from one winter than it does from a year of cars, for instance, and having more people does not increase the amount of roads necessary by a proportionate amount. There will always have to be a single well-maintained road through the desert no matter how many people live in the surrounding areas, for instance. While that may seem reductionary, there's a lot of open space in this country punctuated by spread-out population centers, so that's a really large percentage of the roads. And I should probably stop editing posts a hundred times but YOU CAN'T STOP ME.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 09/06/17 4:33:56 PM #100:	WhoopsyDaisy posted... It's not punishment to kick out trespassers ...yes it is? --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else. <cite>Kenri posted [p:886140641] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote>It's not punishment to kick out trespassers</quote> ...yes it is?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
banananor 09/06/17 4:39:59 PM #101:	WhoopsyDaisy posted... All I have is an awareness of all the ways I've spent the government's money. Looking at the things I have access, to they cost a lot. It's not a BAD thing when people take out more than they put in. It's the entire point of our infrastructure, that people who can't be productive enough to meaningfully contribute to it can still, say, have a smart phone and internet and air conditioning and transportation. Not everyone can be a doctor or lawyer or engineer, but lawfully residing in the US makes it way easier to live comfortably than most places. I don't know if granting all those privileges to as many people as come over is sustainable, and knowing what those costs are is a really important step to answering that question. i appreciate that you typed out what appears to be your honest line of reasoning i guess people sort of start with what they can see. kind of explains why people in the states that accept the most federal aid tend to vote against federal aid- they see more being drained than being replaced and make those negative associations with the system obviously i have a slightly different perspective, but i don't have the stats to back myself up --- You did indeed stab me in the back. However, you are only level one, whilst I am level 50. That means I should remain uninjured. <cite>banananor posted [p:886140990] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote>All I have is an awareness of all the ways I've spent the government's money. Looking at the things I have access, to they cost a lot. It's not a BAD thing when people take out more than they put in. It's the entire point of our infrastructure, that people who can't be productive enough to meaningfully contribute to it can still, say, have a smart phone and internet and air conditioning and transportation. Not everyone can be a doctor or lawyer or engineer, but lawfully residing in the US makes it way easier to live comfortably than most places. I don't know if granting all those privileges to as many people as come over is sustainable, and knowing what those costs are is a really important step to answering that question.</quote> i appreciate that you typed out what appears to be your honest line of reasoning i guess people sort of start with what they can see. kind of explains why people in the states that accept the most federal aid tend to vote against federal aid- they see more being drained than being replaced and make those negative associations with the system obviously i have a slightly different perspective, but i don't have the stats to back myself up</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Topic List	Page List: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 ... 10

Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 131: Deferred Action by Childish Administration (+) Yeah! (+)

Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 131: Deferred Action by Childish Administration