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Coffeebeanz 08/31/17 9:51:36 PM #51:	justaguy3492 posted... Coffeebeanz posted... Obviously if this is simply that she's refusing to give the lab results to the cop, the cops are blatantly in the wrong. But the title of the topic is "refused to draw blood", which raises the question of who asked her to do it, and why. If you're trolling, you're doing a phenomenal job because I am genuinely irked by the fact that you haven't taken the time to read the article posted OR google this and read one of the many other articles written about it. The cop himself, in a written prepared report, literally states that he wanted it because the guy was suspected of driving under the influence. He was also unconscious, in a motor vehicle accident, and in a hospital. There's no fucking way the hospital is going to let him go back with the cops after the "blood draw", which means by this point he's been admitted and a trauma physician has already ordered routine labs and imaging. The nurse cannot refuse to do those. And obviously the cops can't ask the nurse for the RESULTS of those labs, but you know what? Nurses can't give results of labs to ANYONE, even patients. And the physician has every right to tell the cops they cannot see any of the patient's PHI. It doesn't matter why the cops brought him - he's under the hospital's care now. If a nurse isn't following orders on an unstable patient, then that's a problem. The only way your scenario works without requiring any more context is if the cops managed to bring this unconscious, just-had-a-motor-vehicle-accident patient to a hospital and the hospital had no intention of evaluating him. Which is absolutely insane. --- Physician [Internal Medicine] <cite>Coffeebeanz posted [p:885811107] in Cops arres... [t:75728861]...</cite> <quote><cite>justaguy3492 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote>Obviously if this is simply that she's refusing to give the lab results to the cop, the cops are blatantly in the wrong. But the title of the topic is "refused to draw blood", which raises the question of who asked her to do it, and why.</quote> If you're trolling, you're doing a phenomenal job because I am genuinely irked by the fact that you haven't taken the time to read the article posted OR google this and read one of the many other articles written about it. The cop himself, in a written prepared report, literally states that he wanted it because the guy was suspected of driving under the influence.</quote> He was also unconscious, in a motor vehicle accident, and in a hospital. There's no fucking way the hospital is going to let him go back with the cops after the "blood draw", which means by this point he's been admitted and a trauma physician has already ordered routine labs and imaging. The nurse cannot refuse to do those. And obviously the cops can't ask the nurse for the RESULTS of those labs, but you know what? Nurses can't give results of labs to ANYONE, even patients. And the physician has every right to tell the cops they cannot see any of the patient's PHI. It doesn't matter why the cops brought him - he's under the hospital's care now. If a nurse isn't following orders on an unstable patient, then that's a problem. The only way your scenario works without requiring any more context is if the cops managed to bring this unconscious, just-had-a-motor-vehicle-accident patient to a hospital and the hospital had no intention of evaluating him. Which is absolutely insane.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS 08/31/17 9:54:27 PM #52:	Coffeebeanz posted... He was also unconscious, in a motor vehicle accident, and in a hospital. There's no fucking way the hospital is going to let him go back with the cops after the "blood draw". what does that have to do with anything? they wanted the blood now to test it before an alleged alcohol left his system..he doesn't have to "go back with the cops" immediately after. They draw the blood, send it in for tests, the man stays at the hospital and is released to police after he recovers pending the result of that test...what are you even saying anymore? If someone else ordered it then where is that person? Why would they go through a cop? Why is she being arrested before the person who you claim asked her to do it stepped in and directly told her to do it? <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:885811246] in Cops arres... [t:75728861]...</cite> <quote><cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote>He was also unconscious, in a motor vehicle accident, and in a hospital. There's no fucking way the hospital is going to let him go back with the cops after the "blood draw". </quote> what does that have to do with anything? they wanted the blood now to test it before an alleged alcohol left his system..he doesn't have to "go back with the cops" immediately after. They draw the blood, send it in for tests, the man stays at the hospital and is released to police after he recovers pending the result of that test...what are you even saying anymore? If someone else ordered it then where is that person? Why would they go through a cop? Why is she being arrested before the person who you claim asked her to do it stepped in and directly told her to do it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Coffeebeanz 08/31/17 9:58:51 PM #53:	The ER doc would obviously have ordered a serum ethanol level as soon as inebriation was suspected. Granted, if the cops are just trying to push the nurse to do it as quickly as possible so they can send in the results, that's straight-up illegal. But. We. Don't. Know. That. Contextually speaking, the nurse SHOULD draw the labs as soon as possible for purely medical reasons. And then she can tell the cops to fuck off because they aren't allowed to have the results without his consent. The issue at hand here is that she's refusing to DRAW labs. Not that she's refusing to give away private health information. --- Physician [Internal Medicine] <cite>Coffeebeanz posted [p:885811494] in Cops arres... [t:75728861]...</cite> <quote>The ER doc would obviously have ordered a serum ethanol level as soon as inebriation was suspected. Granted, if the cops are just trying to push the nurse to do it as quickly as possible so they can send in the results, that's straight-up illegal. But. We. Don't. Know. That. Contextually speaking, the nurse SHOULD draw the labs as soon as possible for purely medical reasons. And then she can tell the cops to fuck off because they aren't allowed to have the results without his consent. The issue at hand here is that she's refusing to DRAW labs. Not that she's refusing to give away private health information.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS 08/31/17 10:00:45 PM #54:	So an ER Doc ordered it, and rather than tell the nurse themselves they decided to relay it to the cop that brought the suspect in. Then the Cop demanded it from the nurse and she was arrested. At that point the ER Doc and no one else in the hospital decided to prevent that... ...yea man makes sense. <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:885811595] in Cops arres... [t:75728861]...</cite> <quote>So an ER Doc ordered it, and rather than tell the nurse themselves they decided to relay it to the cop that brought the suspect in. Then the Cop demanded it from the nurse and she was arrested. At that point the ER Doc and no one else in the hospital decided to prevent that... ...yea man makes sense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Coffeebeanz 08/31/17 10:02:24 PM #55:	TheVipaGTS posted... So an ER Doc ordered it, and rather than tell the nurse themselves they decided to relay it to the cop that brought the suspect in. Then the Cop demanded it from the nurse and she was arrested. At that point the ER Doc and no one else in the hospital decided to prevent that... ...yea man makes sense. I don't think the cops should've been involved in ANY capacity. It's none of their fucking business. But it violates EMTALA to refuse to draw labs on an unstable patient. They theoretically could arrest her for endangering a patient - a douchebag thing to do, to be sure, but also technically legal. --- Physician [Internal Medicine] <cite>Coffeebeanz posted [p:885811672] in Cops arres... [t:75728861]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheVipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote>So an ER Doc ordered it, and rather than tell the nurse themselves they decided to relay it to the cop that brought the suspect in. Then the Cop demanded it from the nurse and she was arrested. At that point the ER Doc and no one else in the hospital decided to prevent that... ...yea man makes sense.</quote> I don't think the cops should've been involved in ANY capacity. It's none of their fucking business. But it violates EMTALA to refuse to draw labs on an unstable patient. They theoretically could arrest her for endangering a patient - a douchebag thing to do, to be sure, but also technically legal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fin_Dawg_004 08/31/17 10:03:31 PM #56:	Coffeebeanz posted... The ER doc would obviously have ordered a serum ethanol level as soon as inebriation was suspected. Granted, if the cops are just trying to push the nurse to do it as quickly as possible so they can send in the results, that's straight-up illegal. But. We. Don't. Know. That. Contextually speaking, the nurse SHOULD draw the labs as soon as possible for purely medical reasons. And then she can tell the cops to fuck off because they aren't allowed to have the results without his consent. at the beginning of the video she literally is explaining to the cop she can't give the patient's blood work to them without a warrant, patient consent, or arrest. what are you even arguing --- Dallas Cowboys : 13 - 3 Dallas Mavs : Dirk Nowitzki: 30, 005 points (6th all time) 1814 from Wilt <cite>Fin_Dawg_004 posted [p:885811723] in Cops arres... [t:75728861]...</cite> <quote><cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote>The ER doc would obviously have ordered a serum ethanol level as soon as inebriation was suspected. Granted, if the cops are just trying to push the nurse to do it as quickly as possible so they can send in the results, that's straight-up illegal. But. We. Don't. Know. That. Contextually speaking, the nurse SHOULD draw the labs as soon as possible for purely medical reasons. And then she can tell the cops to fuck off because they aren't allowed to have the results without his consent.</quote> at the beginning of the video she literally is explaining to the cop she can't give the patient's blood work to them without a warrant, patient consent, or arrest. what are you even arguing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Coffeebeanz 08/31/17 10:04:47 PM #57:	at the beginning of the video she literally is explaining to the cop she can't give the patient's blood work to them without a warrant, patient consent, or arrest. She is using that argument to refuse to draw the labs, which has nothing to do with whether or not the cops are entitled to their results. That's the problem. --- Physician [Internal Medicine] <cite>Coffeebeanz posted [p:885811784] in Cops arres... [t:75728861]...</cite> <quote>at the beginning of the video she literally is explaining to the cop she can't give the patient's blood work to them without a warrant, patient consent, or arrest. She is using that argument to refuse to draw the labs, which has nothing to do with whether or not the cops are entitled to their results. That's the problem.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
3rd_Best_Master 08/31/17 10:06:09 PM #58:	It's almost like Proudclad is still with us. --- You've fought the strongest, the second strongest, the fourth strongest, and the weakest master! Now you see the true advantage of being third strongest master! <cite>3rd_Best_Master posted [p:885811861] in Cops arres... [t:75728861]...</cite> <quote>It's almost like Proudclad is still with us.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
justaguy3492 08/31/17 10:06:14 PM #59:	Coffeebeanz posted... The ER doc would obviously have ordered a serum ethanol level as soon as inebriation was suspected. Granted, if the cops are just trying to push the nurse to do it as quickly as possible so they can send in the results, that's straight-up illegal. But. We. Don't. Know. That. Contextually speaking, the nurse SHOULD draw the labs as soon as possible for purely medical reasons. And then she can tell the cops to fuck off because they aren't allowed to have the results without his consent. The issue at hand here is that she's refusing to DRAW labs. Not that she's refusing to give away private health information. "Payne was temporarily suspended from the department’s blood-draw program — where officers are trained as phlebotomists so they can get blood samples — but remains on duty, Shearer said" I don't know where you're getting the idea that the hospital didn't already treat this man for his medical conditions (especially considering he was burned pretty badly). The cop isn't asking for the results, he wants blood. If you would just read the damn article you wouldn't be so ignorant to this situation, but I think I'm catching on to the gimmick and I'm gonna try to not let you rustle my jimmies. --- Gt: justaguy3492 <cite>justaguy3492 posted [p:885811866] in Cops arres... [t:75728861]...</cite> <quote><cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote>The ER doc would obviously have ordered a serum ethanol level as soon as inebriation was suspected. Granted, if the cops are just trying to push the nurse to do it as quickly as possible so they can send in the results, that's straight-up illegal. But. We. Don't. Know. That. Contextually speaking, the nurse SHOULD draw the labs as soon as possible for purely medical reasons. And then she can tell the cops to fuck off because they aren't allowed to have the results without his consent. The issue at hand here is that she's refusing to DRAW labs. Not that she's refusing to give away private health information.</quote> "Payne was temporarily suspended from the department’s blood-draw program — where officers are trained as phlebotomists so they can get blood samples — but remains on duty, Shearer said" I don't know where you're getting the idea that the hospital didn't already treat this man for his medical conditions (especially considering he was burned pretty badly). The cop isn't asking for the results, he wants blood. If you would just read the damn article you wouldn't be so ignorant to this situation, but I think I'm catching on to the gimmick and I'm gonna try to not let you rustle my jimmies.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Coffeebeanz 08/31/17 10:07:02 PM #60:	The cop isn't asking for the results, he wants blood. Then that's clearly illegal. Full stop. --- Physician [Internal Medicine] <cite>Coffeebeanz posted [p:885811919] in Cops arres... [t:75728861]...</cite> <quote>The cop isn't asking for the results, he wants blood. Then that's clearly illegal. Full stop.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking 08/31/17 10:21:47 PM #61:	Coffeebeanz posted... The cop isn't asking for the results, he wants blood. Then that's clearly illegal. Full stop. Good thing we had our venture into hypothetical land to defend the cop before reading. --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:885812781] in Cops arres... [t:75728861]...</cite> <quote><cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote>The cop isn't asking for the results, he wants blood. Then that's clearly illegal. Full stop.</quote> Good thing we had our venture into hypothetical land to defend the cop before reading.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexagon 08/31/17 10:22:03 PM #62:	@Coffeebeanz You think its crazy to suggest that a law enforcer would do something like that, but we have video evidence of officers planting drugs, there's one of an officer sitting on top of a black person and beating him up. Nothing should surprise you. <cite>Hexagon posted [p:885812792] in Cops arres... [t:75728861]...</cite> <quote>@Coffeebeanz You think its crazy to suggest that a law enforcer would do something like that, but we have video evidence of officers planting drugs, there's one of an officer sitting on top of a black person and beating him up. Nothing should surprise you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A5modeu5 09/01/17 8:05:34 AM #63:	So cliffnotes. A criminal gets into a car chase with police. The criminal causes an accident during the chase killing himself and injuring another dude. The injured dude gets into the hospital burned and uncautious. -The police get into problems when causing damage or accidents during pursuit. So the police tries to get the bloodwork of the victim of the car crash caused by the chase of the now dead criminal. Just to blame the victim with drunk driving if the test is positive. That way they can bust him for drunk driving and are not at fault. Nurse refuses under order from her supervisor to give them the blood. Cop powertrips and assaults her on the spot to arrest her for refusing his 'order'. If she gave them the blood she would break the law and hospital regulations, probably get fired and could never work in the medical field again. Please tell me what I am understanding wrong here. --- --- http://backloggery.com/a5modeu5/sig.gif <cite>A5modeu5 posted [p:885830989] in Cops arres... [t:75728861]...</cite> <quote>So cliffnotes. A criminal gets into a car chase with police. The criminal causes an accident during the chase killing himself and injuring another dude. The injured dude gets into the hospital burned and uncautious. -The police get into problems when causing damage or accidents during pursuit. So the police tries to get the bloodwork of the victim of the car crash caused by the chase of the now dead criminal. Just to blame the victim with drunk driving if the test is positive. That way they can bust him for drunk driving and are not at fault. Nurse refuses under order from her supervisor to give them the blood. Cop powertrips and assaults her on the spot to arrest her for refusing his 'order'. If she gave them the blood she would break the law and hospital regulations, probably get fired and could never work in the medical field again. Please tell me what I am understanding wrong here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CruelBuffalo 09/01/17 10:46:57 AM #64:	A5modeu5 posted... So cliffnotes. A criminal gets into a car chase with police. The criminal causes an accident during the chase killing himself and injuring another dude. The injured dude gets into the hospital burned and uncautious. -The police get into problems when causing damage or accidents during pursuit. So the police tries to get the bloodwork of the victim of the car crash caused by the chase of the now dead criminal. Just to blame the victim with drunk driving if the test is positive. That way they can bust him for drunk driving and are not at fault. Nurse refuses under order from her supervisor to give them the blood. Cop powertrips and assaults her on the spot to arrest her for refusing his 'order'. If she gave them the blood she would break the law and hospital regulations, probably get fired and could never work in the medical field again. Please tell me what I am understanding wrong here. That's exactly what happened <cite>CruelBuffalo posted [p:885837069] in Cops arres... [t:75728861]...</cite> <quote><cite>A5modeu5 posted...</cite> <quote>So cliffnotes. A criminal gets into a car chase with police. The criminal causes an accident during the chase killing himself and injuring another dude. The injured dude gets into the hospital burned and uncautious. -The police get into problems when causing damage or accidents during pursuit. So the police tries to get the bloodwork of the victim of the car crash caused by the chase of the now dead criminal. Just to blame the victim with drunk driving if the test is positive. That way they can bust him for drunk driving and are not at fault. Nurse refuses under order from her supervisor to give them the blood. Cop powertrips and assaults her on the spot to arrest her for refusing his 'order'. If she gave them the blood she would break the law and hospital regulations, probably get fired and could never work in the medical field again. Please tell me what I am understanding wrong here.</quote> That's exactly what happened</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 09/01/17 12:47:06 PM #65:	CruelBuffalo posted... That's exactly what happened Fuck the cop. I hope the nurse sues the state and wins big. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:885842788] in Cops arres... [t:75728861]...</cite> <quote><cite>CruelBuffalo posted...</cite> <quote> That's exactly what happened</quote> Fuck the cop. I hope the nurse sues the state and wins big.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sage JJ 09/01/17 1:00:00 PM #66:	literal_garbage posted... Honestly, you should always be arrested/dealt with if you refuse an order from a officer of the law. I don't get this new trend of, "I don't agree with the cops so fuck them!" thinking Just because they are an officer doesnt mean you are obligated to listen to them nor is it grounds to be arrested if your not actually violating the law. An officers job and duty is to enforce & uphold the law not dictate it based on their wants. This officer and anyone like him who makes an illegal arrest because they didnt get their way should be removed from their position. <cite>Sage JJ posted [p:885843409] in Cops arres... [t:75728861]...</cite> <quote><cite>literal_garbage posted...</cite> <quote>Honestly, you should always be arrested/dealt with if you refuse an order from a officer of the law. I don't get this new trend of, "I don't agree with the cops so fuck them!" thinking</quote> Just because they are an officer doesnt mean you are obligated to listen to them nor is it grounds to be arrested if your not actually violating the law. An officers job and duty is to enforce & uphold the law not dictate it based on their wants. This officer and anyone like him who makes an illegal arrest because they didnt get their way should be removed from their position.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Piersons_Fox 09/01/17 1:05:24 PM #68:	lilORANG posted... Coffeebeanz posted... If they're in a hospital and a doctor orders it, yes obviously. a doctor didn't order it and cops need warrants to secure blood draws without consent. Literally every cop takes a course on this in the academy. Law Enforcement can forcibly draw blood against someone's will in the event of a DUI with fatalities. That's the only exception I'm aware of. --- .../\_/\ ...\./ <cite>Piersons_Fox posted [p:885843645] in Cops arres... [t:75728861]...</cite> <quote><cite>lilORANG posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote>If they're in a hospital and a doctor orders it, yes obviously.</quote> a doctor didn't order it and cops need warrants to secure blood draws without consent. Literally every cop takes a course on this in the academy.</quote> Law Enforcement can forcibly draw blood against someone's will in the event of a DUI with fatalities. That's the only exception I'm aware of.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ChromaticAngel 09/01/17 1:26:33 PM #71:	fenderbender321 posted... Piersons_Fox posted... lilORANG posted... Coffeebeanz posted... If they're in a hospital and a doctor orders it, yes obviously. a doctor didn't order it and cops need warrants to secure blood draws without consent. Literally every cop takes a course on this in the academy. Law Enforcement can forcibly draw blood against someone's will in the event of a DUI with fatalities. That's the only exception I'm aware of. But don't they still need a warrant? And does that apply to every state? They have no proof it was DUI, though. The crash was caused by a criminal who died in the process. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:885844645] in Cops arres... [t:75728861]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Piersons_Fox posted...</cite> <quote><cite>lilORANG posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote>If they're in a hospital and a doctor orders it, yes obviously.</quote> a doctor didn't order it and cops need warrants to secure blood draws without consent. Literally every cop takes a course on this in the academy.</quote> Law Enforcement can forcibly draw blood against someone's will in the event of a DUI with fatalities. That's the only exception I'm aware of.</quote> But don't they still need a warrant? And does that apply to every state?</quote> They have no proof it was DUI, though. The crash was caused by a criminal who died in the process.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lilORANG 09/01/17 1:28:35 PM #72:	Piersons_Fox posted... lilORANG posted... Coffeebeanz posted... If they're in a hospital and a doctor orders it, yes obviously. a doctor didn't order it and cops need warrants to secure blood draws without consent. Literally every cop takes a course on this in the academy. Law Enforcement can forcibly draw blood against someone's will in the event of a DUI with fatalities. That's the only exception I'm aware of. What's the authority on that? It just seems completely wrong based on what i know of the 4th amendment, but i ain't saying its impossible. --- Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids. <cite>lilORANG posted [p:885844763] in Cops arres... [t:75728861]...</cite> <quote><cite>Piersons_Fox posted...</cite> <quote><cite>lilORANG posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote>If they're in a hospital and a doctor orders it, yes obviously.</quote> a doctor didn't order it and cops need warrants to secure blood draws without consent. Literally every cop takes a course on this in the academy.</quote> Law Enforcement can forcibly draw blood against someone's will in the event of a DUI with fatalities. That's the only exception I'm aware of.</quote> What's the authority on that? It just seems completely wrong based on what i know of the 4th amendment, but i ain't saying its impossible.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS 09/01/17 1:43:38 PM #73:	They still need to obtain a warrant. Once that warrant is obtained they can force it out of you but it's my understanding that a warrant must be in place and it doesn't seem like the nurse in this incident had one. If you refuse or can't give a breath test they can arrest you TO take your blood but they still need to go through the proper channels to do so I believe. <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:885845556] in Cops arres... [t:75728861]...</cite> <quote>They still need to obtain a warrant. Once that warrant is obtained they can force it out of you but it's my understanding that a warrant must be in place and it doesn't seem like the nurse in this incident had one. If you refuse or can't give a breath test they can arrest you TO take your blood but they still need to go through the proper channels to do so I believe.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrPeppers 09/01/17 2:34:47 PM #74:	So @Coffeebeanz it looks like blood was already drawn by the hospital and the charge nurse was stating that the officer, who was a licensed phlebotomist, was not allowed to draw himself since he had no probable cause & is not employed by the hospital, and it would be malpractice by the hospital and a HIPAA violation on her end. --- http://i.imgur.com/SGkkbF0.png <cite>MrPeppers posted [p:885848133] in Cops arres... [t:75728861]...</cite> <quote>So @Coffeebeanz it looks like blood was already drawn by the hospital and the charge nurse was stating that the officer, who was a licensed phlebotomist, was not allowed to draw himself since he had no probable cause & is not employed by the hospital, and it would be malpractice by the hospital and a HIPAA violation on her end.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 09/01/17 2:53:53 PM #75:	TheVipaGTS posted... They still need to obtain a warrant. Once that warrant is obtained they can force it out of you but it's my understanding that a warrant must be in place and it doesn't seem like the nurse in this incident had one. If you refuse or can't give a breath test they can arrest you TO take your blood but they still need to go through the proper channels to do so I believe. It varies by state. In GA, refusing to take a breath test is an automatic 1-year license suspension but it can actually get you out of a DUI if you fight it. Once you blow into the machine and they can prove you were drunk though, you're fucked. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:885849122] in Cops arres... [t:75728861]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheVipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote>They still need to obtain a warrant. Once that warrant is obtained they can force it out of you but it's my understanding that a warrant must be in place and it doesn't seem like the nurse in this incident had one. If you refuse or can't give a breath test they can arrest you TO take your blood but they still need to go through the proper channels to do so I believe.</quote> It varies by state. In GA, refusing to take a breath test is an automatic 1-year license suspension but it can actually get you out of a DUI if you fight it. Once you blow into the machine and they can prove you were drunk though, you're fucked.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Piersons_Fox 09/01/17 3:08:12 PM #76:	lilORANG posted... Piersons_Fox posted... lilORANG posted... Coffeebeanz posted... If they're in a hospital and a doctor orders it, yes obviously. a doctor didn't order it and cops need warrants to secure blood draws without consent. Literally every cop takes a course on this in the academy. Law Enforcement can forcibly draw blood against someone's will in the event of a DUI with fatalities. That's the only exception I'm aware of. What's the authority on that? It just seems completely wrong based on what i know of the 4th amendment, but i ain't saying its impossible. Never mind. You're right. https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/12pdf/11-1425_cb8e.pdf Tldr: This ruling overrules a previous decision that did allow involuntary withdrawal of blood. The reasoning that has changed is because of the change in technology and the efficiency in which BAC can be extracted and tested. The exigent circumstances rule no longer apply. An officer will need a warrant before involuntary blood withdrawal. --- .../\_/\ ...\./ <cite>Piersons_Fox posted [p:885849831] in Cops arres... [t:75728861]...</cite> <quote><cite>lilORANG posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Piersons_Fox posted...</cite> <quote><cite>lilORANG posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote>If they're in a hospital and a doctor orders it, yes obviously.</quote> a doctor didn't order it and cops need warrants to secure blood draws without consent. Literally every cop takes a course on this in the academy.</quote> Law Enforcement can forcibly draw blood against someone's will in the event of a DUI with fatalities. That's the only exception I'm aware of.</quote> What's the authority on that? It just seems completely wrong based on what i know of the 4th amendment, but i ain't saying its impossible.</quote> Never mind. You're right. https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/12pdf/11-1425_cb8e.pdf Tldr: This ruling overrules a previous decision that did allow involuntary withdrawal of blood. The reasoning that has changed is because of the change in technology and the efficiency in which BAC can be extracted and tested. The exigent circumstances rule no longer apply. An officer will need a warrant before involuntary blood withdrawal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Piersons_Fox 09/01/17 3:11:23 PM #77:	ChromaticAngel posted... TheVipaGTS posted... They still need to obtain a warrant. Once that warrant is obtained they can force it out of you but it's my understanding that a warrant must be in place and it doesn't seem like the nurse in this incident had one. If you refuse or can't give a breath test they can arrest you TO take your blood but they still need to go through the proper channels to do so I believe. It varies by state. In GA, refusing to take a breath test is an automatic 1-year license suspension but it can actually get you out of a DUI if you fight it. Once you blow into the machine and they can prove you were drunk though, you're fucked. If someone refuses to submit to a BAC that person will be charged with the implied consent law. Which carries the exact same punishments as a DUI conviction. If you honestly believe that you might be below the limit, it's better to just roll the dice. --- .../\_/\ ...\./ <cite>Piersons_Fox posted [p:885849985] in Cops arres... [t:75728861]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheVipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote>They still need to obtain a warrant. Once that warrant is obtained they can force it out of you but it's my understanding that a warrant must be in place and it doesn't seem like the nurse in this incident had one. If you refuse or can't give a breath test they can arrest you TO take your blood but they still need to go through the proper channels to do so I believe.</quote> It varies by state. In GA, refusing to take a breath test is an automatic 1-year license suspension but it can actually get you out of a DUI if you fight it. Once you blow into the machine and they can prove you were drunk though, you're fucked.</quote> If someone refuses to submit to a BAC that person will be charged with the implied consent law. Which carries the exact same punishments as a DUI conviction. If you honestly believe that you might be below the limit, it's better to just roll the dice.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BootyGif 09/01/17 3:19:06 PM #79:	fenderbender321 posted... So yeah, just read an up to date article on the situation. The police chief apologized to the nurse. The police were wrong in this case 100%. The officer has been suspended from that role. Cop should be in prison --- https://i.imgtc.com/4s4wNqG.png <cite>BootyGif posted [p:885850408] in Cops arres... [t:75728861]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>So yeah, just read an up to date article on the situation. The police chief apologized to the nurse. The police were wrong in this case 100%. The officer has been suspended from that role.</quote> Cop should be in prison</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sir Will 09/01/17 3:49:11 PM #81:	fenderbender321 posted... BootyGif posted... fenderbender321 posted... So yeah, just read an up to date article on the situation. The police chief apologized to the nurse. The police were wrong in this case 100%. The officer has been suspended from that role. Cop should be in prison Should be, but won't be. Yeah -_- --- River Song: Well, I was off to this gay gypsy bar mitzvah for the disabled when I thought 'Gosh, the Third Reich's a bit rubbish, I think i'll kill the Fuhrer' <cite>Sir Will posted [p:885851932] in Cops arres... [t:75728861]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BootyGif posted...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>So yeah, just read an up to date article on the situation. The police chief apologized to the nurse. The police were wrong in this case 100%. The officer has been suspended from that role.</quote> Cop should be in prison</quote> Should be, but won't be.</quote> Yeah -_-</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS 09/01/17 3:51:16 PM #82:	No matter how you look at it it's bad. He's either ignorant of the law he's supposed to uphold and arrested an innocent person by force, he has a power trip complex and was asserting himself or he asked someone to break the law so he could catch someone. ...none of those are good things. <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:885852050] in Cops arres... [t:75728861]...</cite> <quote>No matter how you look at it it's bad. He's either ignorant of the law he's supposed to uphold and arrested an innocent person by force, he has a power trip complex and was asserting himself or he asked someone to break the law so he could catch someone. ...none of those are good things.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Deadpool_18 09/01/17 5:34:58 PM #84:	tremain07 posted... Why wont people just do what the cops say without trying making a fuss? They have a gun and a badge, that's not a fight you'r'e gonna win. Because we're human beings with rights, not mindless drones who think authority is always in the right and has our best interests. --- We're whalers on the moon, we carry a harpoon, but there ain't no whales, so we tell tall tales, and sing our whaling tune. <cite>Deadpool_18 posted [p:885857336] in Cops arres... [t:75728861]...</cite> <quote><cite>tremain07 posted...</cite> <quote>Why wont people just do what the cops say without trying making a fuss? They have a gun and a badge, that's not a fight you'r'e gonna win.</quote> Because we're human beings with rights, not mindless drones who think authority is always in the right and has our best interests.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexagon 09/01/17 5:36:43 PM #85:	Deadpool_18 posted... tremain07 posted... Why wont people just do what the cops say without trying making a fuss? They have a gun and a badge, that's not a fight you'r'e gonna win. Because we're human beings with rights, not mindless drones who think authority is always in the right and has our best interests. Not only that, professionals are obligated in their duty to not do certain things. For the nurse, this was one of the things. She was thinking of herself and for her profession. <cite>Hexagon posted [p:885857431] in Cops arres... [t:75728861]...</cite> <quote><cite>Deadpool_18 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tremain07 posted...</cite> <quote>Why wont people just do what the cops say without trying making a fuss? They have a gun and a badge, that's not a fight you'r'e gonna win.</quote> Because we're human beings with rights, not mindless drones who think authority is always in the right and has our best interests.</quote> Not only that, professionals are obligated in their duty to not do certain things. For the nurse, this was one of the things. She was thinking of herself and for her profession.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 09/01/17 5:44:15 PM #86:	The chief of police and mayor already said the police man is wrong, is currently suspended and will be further internally investigated. Justice prevail on this one, yall. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple FFBE ID: 196 912 851 1000+ MAG Fryevia <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:885857798] in Cops arres... [t:75728861]...</cite> <quote>The chief of police and mayor already said the police man is wrong, is currently suspended and will be further internally investigated. Justice prevail on this one, yall.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexagon 09/01/17 5:58:56 PM #87:	Veggeta X posted... The chief of police and mayor already said the police man is wrong, is currently suspended and will be further internally investigated. Justice prevail on this one, yall. Justice wont prevail until a suit follows by the nurse or someone else over what happened. Its not like this cop was in the middle of a heated life or death situation that required a split second decision. It was more like: Do this. No? You're coming with me. Totally unacceptable. <cite>Hexagon posted [p:885858513] in Cops arres... [t:75728861]...</cite> <quote><cite>Veggeta X posted...</cite> <quote>The chief of police and mayor already said the police man is wrong, is currently suspended and will be further internally investigated. Justice prevail on this one, yall.</quote> Justice wont prevail until a suit follows by the nurse or someone else over what happened. Its not like this cop was in the middle of a heated life or death situation that required a split second decision. It was more like: Do this. No? You're coming with me. Totally unacceptable.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TommyG663513 09/01/17 5:59:38 PM #88:	Veggeta X posted... The chief of police and mayor already said the police man is wrong, is currently suspended and will be further internally investigated. Justice prevail on this one, yall. I wouldn't necessarily be so sure. I believe they said the cop was only suspended from phlebotomy duties. Even if he gets charged (he better be facing serious charges) cops tend to get favorable outcomes. I'm just saying, but I've seen way too many cases where a cop is very clearly in the wrong and they get off with a slap on the wrist. The ",but the cops protect us" defense gets used effectively way too much. --- just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156 <cite>TommyG663513 posted [p:885858543] in Cops arres... [t:75728861]...</cite> <quote><cite>Veggeta X posted...</cite> <quote>The chief of police and mayor already said the police man is wrong, is currently suspended and will be further internally investigated. Justice prevail on this one, yall.</quote> I wouldn't necessarily be so sure. I believe they said the cop was only suspended from phlebotomy duties. Even if he gets charged (he better be facing serious charges) cops tend to get favorable outcomes. I'm just saying, but I've seen way too many cases where a cop is very clearly in the wrong and they get off with a slap on the wrist. The ",but the cops protect us" defense gets used effectively way too much.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 09/01/17 6:01:45 PM #89:	There's still an internal investigation going on so we shall see what happens next. Can't be deebie downers about it. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple FFBE ID: 196 912 851 1000+ MAG Fryevia <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:885858662] in Cops arres... [t:75728861]...</cite> <quote>There's still an internal investigation going on so we shall see what happens next. Can't be deebie downers about it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TommyG663513 09/01/17 6:08:06 PM #90:	Veggeta X posted... There's still an internal investigation going on so we shall see what happens next. Can't be deebie downers about it. Yes hopefully the officers entire life is ruined for this, but that never seems to happen. Guy should be fired and jailed, but I feel like fired is the only realistic outcome. Sounds like he could personally be sued by the nurse so hopefully she takes everything he is worth from him. This cop really deserves to rot. Abuse of an authority position is such a downright rotten thing to do. --- just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156 <cite>TommyG663513 posted [p:885858968] in Cops arres... [t:75728861]...</cite> <quote><cite>Veggeta X posted...</cite> <quote>There's still an internal investigation going on so we shall see what happens next. Can't be deebie downers about it.</quote> Yes hopefully the officers entire life is ruined for this, but that never seems to happen. Guy should be fired and jailed, but I feel like fired is the only realistic outcome. Sounds like he could personally be sued by the nurse so hopefully she takes everything he is worth from him. This cop really deserves to rot. Abuse of an authority position is such a downright rotten thing to do.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
smoke_break 09/01/17 6:16:11 PM #91:	that nurse about to get paid!! --- http://i.imgur.com/WTmIPt8.jpg <cite>smoke_break posted [p:885859302] in Cops arres... [t:75728861]...</cite> <quote>that nurse about to get paid!!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dathrowed1 09/01/17 6:34:39 PM #93:	DuranOfForcena posted... lol wow @Coffeebeanz what the fuck were you even trying to accomplish with your posts in this topic was it actually anything other than "hey look at me i'm a doctor"? ridiculous Yeah she's flexing here. Just goes to show MDs flex too. --- sig <cite>Dathrowed1 posted [p:885860235] in Cops arres... [t:75728861]...</cite> <quote><cite>DuranOfForcena posted...</cite> <quote>lol wow @Coffeebeanz what the fuck were you even trying to accomplish with your posts in this topic was it actually anything other than "hey look at me i'm a doctor"? ridiculous</quote> Yeah she's flexing here. Just goes to show MDs flex too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Iodine 09/01/17 6:35:15 PM #94:	Pigs gonna oink. --- In Belichick we Trust <cite>Iodine posted [p:885860265] in Cops arres... [t:75728861]...</cite> <quote>Pigs gonna oink.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EyeWontBeFooled 09/01/17 7:02:36 PM #95:	Hope the cop rots, as well. Get a civil suit going ASAP, miss. --- Welcome to the Brave New World of 1984! Current temp: Fahrenheit 451 It's never a bad day, and always a good night, so BE HAPPY and enjoy your stay! <cite>EyeWontBeFooled posted [p:885861632] in Cops arres... [t:75728861]...</cite> <quote>Hope the cop rots, as well. Get a civil suit going ASAP, miss.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TommyG663513 09/01/17 7:18:45 PM #96:	Dathrowed1 posted... DuranOfForcena posted... lol wow @Coffeebeanz what the fuck were you even trying to accomplish with your posts in this topic was it actually anything other than "hey look at me i'm a doctor"? ridiculous Yeah she's flexing here. Just goes to show MDs flex too. She does this quite a bit tbh. Like every time I ever hear her talk about medical stuff I know she is going to have a bad opinion. It's pretty bad when the resident doctor in training seems to be one of the least credible on medical issues. Her posts ITT were clearly not at all about discovering the truth of this situation, but of showing off her medical knowledge just trying to sound smarter than everybody else. The irony is that her flexing her knowledge actually made her out to be a pretty ignorant person. She comes off pretty cool and likable when discussing video games and stuff like that though. Her political opinions are pretty bad as well as she is the epitome of the "I'm not a Trump supporter, but..." --- just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156 <cite>TommyG663513 posted [p:885862432] in Cops arres... [t:75728861]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dathrowed1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DuranOfForcena posted...</cite> <quote>lol wow @Coffeebeanz what the fuck were you even trying to accomplish with your posts in this topic was it actually anything other than "hey look at me i'm a doctor"? ridiculous</quote> Yeah she's flexing here. Just goes to show MDs flex too.</quote> She does this quite a bit tbh. Like every time I ever hear her talk about medical stuff I know she is going to have a bad opinion. It's pretty bad when the resident doctor in training seems to be one of the least credible on medical issues. Her posts ITT were clearly not at all about discovering the truth of this situation, but of showing off her medical knowledge just trying to sound smarter than everybody else. The irony is that her flexing her knowledge actually made her out to be a pretty ignorant person. She comes off pretty cool and likable when discussing video games and stuff like that though. Her political opinions are pretty bad as well as she is the epitome of the "I'm not a Trump supporter, but..."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kingbuffet 09/01/17 7:20:27 PM #97:	Cops just think they're above the law. <cite>Kingbuffet posted [p:885862501] in Cops arres... [t:75728861]...</cite> <quote>Cops just think they're above the law.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 09/01/17 7:21:51 PM #98:	literal_garbage posted... Honestly, you should always be arrested/dealt with if you refuse an order from a officer of the law. I don't get this new trend of, "I don't agree with the cops so fuck them!" thinking What the fuck is wrong with you. --- Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:885862573] in Cops arres... [t:75728861]...</cite> <quote><cite>literal_garbage posted...</cite> <quote>Honestly, you should always be arrested/dealt with if you refuse an order from a officer of the law. I don't get this new trend of, "I don't agree with the cops so fuck them!" thinking</quote> What the fuck is wrong with you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CE_gonna_CE 09/01/17 8:00:29 PM #100:	cjsdowg posted... literal_garbage posted... Honestly, you should always be arrested/dealt with if you refuse an order from a officer of the law. I don't get this new trend of, "I don't agree with the cops so fuck them!" thinking What the fuck is wrong with you. Literal garbage. <cite>CE_gonna_CE posted [p:885864466] in Cops arres... [t:75728861]...</cite> <quote><cite>cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote><cite>literal_garbage posted...</cite> <quote>Honestly, you should always be arrested/dealt with if you refuse an order from a officer of the law. I don't get this new trend of, "I don't agree with the cops so fuck them!" thinking</quote> What the fuck is wrong with you.</quote> Literal garbage.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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