Poll of the Day > Guys of potd who are older than 23, would you date a 19 or 20 year old?

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AllstarSniper32 posted...

where you say that it's not true regardless of age. Which says you think scummy things happen more often to teens when they're with an older person. Whatever the older person's age happens to be.

Adults have life experience in their side. Teens do not, not on the same level. That playing field is skewed and often exploitative. Take it from someone that was a teen girl dating an adult, and also had several friends dating adults in high school. It seemed cool then and feels gross now thinking about the adults that would do that. Like if a 25 year old friend said he was seeing a 16 year old here it would be legal. But it would feel wrong and I'd think so much less of him.
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Fox, did you think you were exploited then or do you think it retrospectively?
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AllstarSniper32 posted...

where you say that it's not true regardless of age. Which says you think scummy things happen more often to teens when they're with an older person. Whatever the older person's age happens to be.

Because they do. When a 16 year old dates a 30+ year old, or even a 25 year old, that's not just an age gap, that's a hugely imbalanced dynamic of power.
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No possible way.

I cant believe a friend of mi e married a 30 year old. She didnt even know who Bill Cosby was! (Pre rape trials)

Nicodaemos posted...

AllstarSniper32 posted...

where you say that it's not true regardless of age. Which says you think scummy things happen more often to teens when they're with an older person. Whatever the older person's age happens to be.

Because they do. When a 16 year old dates a 30+ year old, or even a 25 year old, that's not just an age gap, that's a hugely imbalanced dynamic of power.

Fairly sure AoC already covers that and that AoC is meant to mean that the person has sufficient independent power to not be under control. The only power an older person has is financial and social, which strongly suggests you want not only age restrictions but also class restrictions (i.e. You can't sleep with a rich person above your station, they are far more powerful than you can handle!).
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Fox, did you think you were exploited then or do you think it retrospectively?

I thought it was weird then and I know now that it was actually exploitative
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Fairly sure AoC already covers that and that AoC is meant to mean that the person has sufficient independent power to not be under control.

Yeah, I wouldn't really invest my confidence in AoC law when it extends to 16 year olds.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

The only power an older person has is financial and social,

Finances, experience, social power, mobility. Let's not pretend the first two aren't huge factors.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

which strongly suggests you want not only age restrictions but also class restrictions (i.e. You can't sleep with a rich person above your station, they are far more powerful than you can handle!).

Don't be an idiot.
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Nicodaemos posted...

Finances, experience, social power, mobility. Let's not pretend the first two aren't huge factors.

The first is completely irrelevant unless the younger person is a dependant (which is obviously very creepy) and experience is very relative, particularly now when people in their 30s are completely incompetent.

Nicodaemos posted...

Yeah, I wouldn't really invest my confidence in AoC law when it extends to 16 year olds.

Just say you want AoC to be whatever your age is and be done with it.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

The first is completely irrelevant unless the younger person is a dependant (which is obviously very creepy)

No, it's not.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

and experience is very relative, particularly now when people in their 30s are completely incompetent.

Yes, it's relative, but absolutely nowhere near the extent people make it out to be in this topic.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Just say you want AoC to be whatever your age is and be done with it.

Nicodaemos posted...

Don't be an idiot.

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Nicodaemos posted...

Yes, it's relative, but absolutely nowhere near the extent people make it out to be in this topic.

Let me just reply with your argumentative technique.

No, you!

You're dumb!

I don't like that law so it's wrong!

Stop pretending to disagree with me!
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Doctor Foxx posted...

AllstarSniper32 posted...

where you say that it's not true regardless of age. Which says you think scummy things happen more often to teens when they're with an older person. Whatever the older person's age happens to be.

Adults have life experience in their side. Teens do not, not on the same level. That playing field is skewed and often exploitative. Take it from someone that was a teen girl dating an adult, and also had several friends dating adults in high school. It seemed cool then and feels gross now thinking about the adults that would do that. Like if a 25 year old friend said he was seeing a 16 year old here it would be legal. But it would feel wrong and I'd think so much less of him.

I just want to be clear that I know it happens. I'm just trying to say that exploitation happens at all ages. For example, I know a girl who was dating a 19 year old when she was like 25 or 26, he exploited her despite being younger than her. It happens at all ages. That's all I'm trying to say.

Nicodaemos posted...

AllstarSniper32 posted...

where you say that it's not true regardless of age. Which says you think scummy things happen more often to teens when they're with an older person. Whatever the older person's age happens to be.

Because they do. When a 16 year old dates a 30+ year old, or even a 25 year old, that's not just an age gap, that's a hugely imbalanced dynamic of power.

And that's also something that happens at all ages.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Let me just reply with your argumentative technique.

Ok.

AllstarSniper32 posted...

I just want to be clear that I know it happens. I'm just trying to say that exploitation happens at all ages. For example, I know a girl who was dating a 19 year old when she was like 25 or 26, he exploited her despite being younger than her. It happens at all ages. That's all I'm trying to say.

I'm pretty sure no one said that exploitation doesn't happen across all ages. It just happens a lot more in some ages than for others.

Further duplicate posts of "x happens at all ages" aren't very useful.
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Under 18 when your over 30 especially is pretty sick in my opinion.

If your in your early 20's and date someone who is in their late teens, the diff in age isn't that big, as long as it's legal where you are.

Nothing at all says you can't find anyone 18+ attractive, and not just physically. Young people have energy, dreams, tons of new experiences that can make them feel new to someone who is more jaded etc.

I wouldn't go looking to date someone under 30 myself, and even my friend (who is 61) drew the line at around 30, but I know many who date girls in their early 20's even when 50+.

Think if your 30+ dating someone under 21 who can't even drink legally is a bit strange, but you never know when your gonna hit it off with someone, and limiting yourself because of age seems silly.

This whole (way more life experiences) crap is silly, there are plenty of 18 year olds who are way more mature then 40 year olds (I was one). By the time I was 19, I'd been in the Airforce for 2 years, graduated HS at 16 (on my birthday), worked more then 10 different jobs (including construction), and fed/taken care of my self since I was 11. I saved half of everything I made and invested it and didn't do drugs, smoke etc.

I had my life more together, and focused then many people 30 years older then me (and by 21 had more savings then probably 80% of Americans (possibly more since so many are actually in debt).

So yeah, I'd date someone someone 19-20 if I really liked them, they liked me etc. I wouldn't have kids with them though (I'm too old), but i'd be down with them having kids already.

Likelyhood of me actually MEETING someone that age is very low as I generally don't have any friends under 30 in real life.
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Nicodaemos posted...

It just happens a lot more in some ages than for others.

And that scale is basically persistent all the way to death so if you set the AoC to 30 then 32 year olds would be seen as much more exploitable than 60 year olds.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

And that scale is basically persistent all the way to death

No, it isn't.
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Nicodaemos posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

And that scale is basically persistent all the way to death

No, it isn't.

What happened to being richer and more experienced giving you power over people?
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Nicodaemos posted...

It just happens a lot more in some ages than for others.

And that scale is basically persistent all the way to death so if you set the AoC to 30 then 32 year olds would be seen as much more exploitable than 60 year olds.

People can look like they are in their 40's now, even when in their 60's (like my friend).

He's married now to a 30 year old chick, who looks like she is in her 40's (she is oriental, which is strange cause usually they look much younger).

Honestly if you look at em together you wouldn't know which one was older right off the bat.

Same goes for chicks though, I know tons in their 50's who could easily be in their 30's at this point. Would be way easy for them to date a guy in his 20's and it would seem normal/fine.

The whole age range of 30-60 at this point can be a real pain to identify. This means a 25 year old can date a 55 year old and it would look just the same as if they where dating a 30 year old.

So yeah, age range is all screwed up it seems. Sometimes a person who is younger seems like the one that is too old in a relationship lol.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Nicodaemos posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

And that scale is basically persistent all the way to death

No, it isn't.

What happened to being richer and more experienced giving you power over people?

Some people like to date others who have power over them, more power though. Both guys and girls can get off on that. There is nothing wrong with it if both parties are adults (over 18), and I guess in some states it's legal even at a younger age.

But yeah 18+, if someone wants to date another person who has control over them, more power, is dominant etc, more power to them (or to their partner I guess heh).
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

What happened to being richer and more experienced giving you power over people?

Nothing. I'm just not being stupid and pretending the extent of this is the same for every age gap.
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wolfy42 posted...

So yeah, age range is all screwed up it seems. Sometimes a person who is younger seems like the one that is too old in a relationship lol.

That's the point, age is very arbitrary, the issue is compatibility which age can only give you an idea of and is often so vague it's worthless.

Creepy people are seemingly mature with childish partners, the intent is clearly exploitative.
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SmokeMassTree posted...

28 year old man here

I only fuck with bitches 16-20 (16 is legal in Ohio, and most other states. Don't start)

Expectations are low and they are freaky af

Gross. Not surprised by your posting history, but, gross.

Nicodaemos posted...

I'm pretty sure no one said that exploitation doesn't happen across all ages. It just happens a lot more in some ages than for others.

So you say. I'm thinking it's probably a more even line and it happens a lot across all ages.
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VideoboysaysCube posted...

Can't legally drink? Why is that an issue? Oh yeah, you're a great person, smart, kind and funny. But you can't drink. Bye. I swear, some people are so shallow and narrow minded.

I like to drink and being drunk with someone who is sober sucks. I'm not saying it's a must that they drink but it's a preference.

wolfy42 posted...

Under 18 when your over 30 especially is pretty sick in my opinion.

Why though?
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I mean it doesnt matter what people think, 16 is still legal in most places, so its free game.

I dont see it as exploitative or immoral unless the older person is looking exclusively for sex and younger person is a virgin.

I mean sure 30+ starts getting creepy because then there isnt much room for maturity gaps in that case

Well, I'm 33, and my fiancee is 21, so, yes.
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I'm a teacher so yeah, under 18 thing is a bit worse from my perspective then most, as I see them as kids, and our responsibility to take care of them, provide them safety and teach them. So someone over 30 dating a student of mine would not be ok with me.

Not everyone may feel that way, but there really should be some kind of age limit. I realize legally in some places it's 16, and there are many mature 16 year olds (I had already graduated HS by 16 and been working jobs since I was 11), but still, at least for girls (since there can be so many consequences for them), I think 18 should be the min.
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wolfy42 posted...

I'm a teacher so yeah, under 18 thing is a bit worse from my perspective then most, as I see them as kids, and our responsibility to take care of them, provide them safety and teach them. So someone over 30 dating a student of mine would not be ok with me.

Nothing stops you from doing all that while in a relationship. Obviously not with your students though as that would be bad at whatever age.

wolfy42 posted...

Not everyone may feel that way, but there really should be some kind of age limit.

There is. Anyone that not legal is a no go area for me. On the other side of the scale though this also means I'd date a older gal. I'd probably not date a 60+ year old though.
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Yall creepy af
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If I felt a connection with her, then I guess I would. However, the 9-ish year age gap would probably put us in very different situations, giving us not much in common.
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