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ZombiePelican
08/18/17 1:21:27 PM
#52:


darkphoenix181 posted...
gen 1 fans are older and more dedicated fans of the series than you and they deserve all the fanservice they get

@ZombiePelican

Shut your fucking hole, people who haven't played or bought a Pokemon game since gen 1 or 2 don't deserve recognition over someone like myself who has bought every single Pokemon game with my own money since gen 1 for almost 20 years
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Xelltrix
08/18/17 1:21:52 PM
#53:


Yeah, wtf. I love the Gen 1 stuff. It's not the same thing as saying every other gen is trash, it's just an homage since it was 20th anniversary last year.



But yeah, US/UM sill looks really weak. I'll probably end up buying it despite myself anyway though...
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Jabodie
08/18/17 1:21:58 PM
#54:


If I had to rank designs, just based on how I feel rn, it would probably be something like this:

5>3>4>2>1

Heracross alone is enough for me to prefer 2nd gen to 1st. But overall, there aren't many standout Pokemon I really like from the early gens.

I think my opinion is a little biased toward how fun they are to play with, though. Making a Gen 2 only team in G/S/C leaves you with few good options for in game. A lot of good Pokemon are post Pokemon League (for instance, you can't get Houndoom until Kanto in Crystal), so making a fun in game team is terrible.

Edit: I haven't played Gen 6 or 7. For XY I was waiting for Z, but that never came around and I just forgot about it.
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Darklit_Minuet
08/18/17 1:23:45 PM
#55:


ZombiePelican posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
gen 1 fans are older and more dedicated fans of the series than you and they deserve all the fanservice they get

@ZombiePelican

Shut your fucking hole, people who haven't played or bought a Pokemon game since gen 1 or 2 don't deserve recognition over someone like myself who has bought every single Pokemon game with my own money since gen 1 for almost 20 years

I have bought every single Pokemon game with my own money since gen 1 for almost 20 years. They're clearly giving me what I want, so what's the problem?
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Xelltrix
08/18/17 1:24:42 PM
#56:


For me, designs go:



4 > 2 > 1 > 6 > 3 > 7 > 5



Huh, lol, all the odds are at the bottom except for Gen 1, lol. Outside of the legendary trio, Jirachi, and the starters... I didn't like as many Gen 3 designs.
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darkphoenix181
08/18/17 1:25:22 PM
#57:


ZombiePelican posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
gen 1 fans are older and more dedicated fans of the series than you and they deserve all the fanservice they get

@ZombiePelican

Shut your fucking hole, people who haven't played or bought a Pokemon game since gen 1 or 2 don't deserve recognition over someone like myself who has bought every single Pokemon game with my own money since gen 1 for almost 20 years


they deserve it 10 times more than you because they are older and played it before you did
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Jabodie
08/18/17 1:27:57 PM
#58:


Xelltrix posted...

Huh, lol, all the odds are at the bottom except for Gen 1, lol. Outside of the legendary trio, Jirachi, and the starters... I didn't like as many Gen 3 designs.

Gen 3 was just my favorite gen as a kid. Pretty sure I was like 10-12 when I played it, which is prime time nostalgia lens.

I didn't like Gen 4 much as a kid, I enjoyed it much more coming back later. As a kid though, I didn't really like how bland the game looked with the barebones "3D" graphics compared to the really nice sprite art of Gen 3. Plus, the battles moved at a slog for some reason. Another thing that biases me toward Gen 5 a bit - the battles move at a very quick pace.
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ZombiePelican
08/18/17 1:31:47 PM
#59:


Xelltrix posted...
Yeah, wtf. I love the Gen 1 stuff. It's not the same thing as saying every other gen is trash

That's not what I'm implying, I love gen 1 stuff to an extent, but let's not pretend that it wasn't trotted out in S/M to compensate for their lack of creativity when making new Pokemon and to pander to the Pokemon Go fanbase

Xelltrix posted...
s just an homage since it was 20th anniversary last year.

No, it's a blatant insult to long time fans by saying they want the money from a demographic of fleeting casual sheep who don't know anything past gen 1. You're pretty navie if you believe otherwise
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geno_16
08/18/17 1:32:17 PM
#60:


I guarantee you there won't be a single thing in those games that panders to Red/Blue more than the first dungeon in X/Y being a literal copy/paste of Viridian Forest, right down to the music.

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Like look at that. It's fucking identical.
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Xelltrix
08/18/17 1:38:16 PM
#61:


Jabodie posted...
Xelltrix posted...

Huh, lol, all the odds are at the bottom except for Gen 1, lol. Outside of the legendary trio, Jirachi, and the starters... I didn't like as many Gen 3 designs.

Gen 3 was just my favorite gen as a kid. Pretty sure I was like 10-12 when I played it, which is prime time nostalgia lens.

I didn't like Gen 4 much as a kid, I enjoyed it much more coming back later. As a kid though, I didn't really like how bland the game looked with the barebones "3D" graphics compared to the really nice sprite art of Gen 3. Plus, the battles moved at a slog for some reason. Another thing that biases me toward Gen 5 a bit - the battles move at a very quick pace.


I liked Gen 4 was easily my favorite because it was the Gen I really got into competitive in. I was kind of in Gen 3 but Gen 4 kicked it up a notch for me.
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Xelltrix
08/18/17 1:40:11 PM
#62:


ZombiePelican posted...
Xelltrix posted...
Yeah, wtf. I love the Gen 1 stuff. It's not the same thing as saying every other gen is trash

That's not what I'm implying, I love gen 1 stuff to an extent, but let's not pretend that it wasn't trotted out in S/M to compensate for their lack of creativity when making new Pokemon and to pander to the Pokemon Go fanbase

Xelltrix posted...
s just an homage since it was 20th anniversary last year.

No, it's a blatant insult to long time fans by saying they want the money from a demographic of fleeting casual sheep who don't know anything past gen 1. You're pretty navie if you believe otherwise



What, okay... whatever you say.
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darkphoenix181
08/18/17 1:43:47 PM
#63:


zombie is just upset he isn't as dedicated a fan as the gen 1 people
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ZombiePelican
08/18/17 1:50:12 PM
#64:


Xelltrix posted...
ZombiePelican posted...
Xelltrix posted...
Yeah, wtf. I love the Gen 1 stuff. It's not the same thing as saying every other gen is trash

That's not what I'm implying, I love gen 1 stuff to an extent, but let's not pretend that it wasn't trotted out in S/M to compensate for their lack of creativity when making new Pokemon and to pander to the Pokemon Go fanbase

Xelltrix posted...
s just an homage since it was 20th anniversary last year.

No, it's a blatant insult to long time fans by saying they want the money from a demographic of fleeting casual sheep who don't know anything past gen 1. You're pretty navie if you believe otherwise



What, okay... whatever you say.

What's so hard to understand?
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AzurexNightmare
08/18/17 2:12:50 PM
#65:


Stop bitching and get a life TC. For the record I don't care for the trailer either but I'm not being a bitch about it.
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ZombiePelican
08/18/17 2:19:47 PM
#66:


AzurexNightmare posted...
Stop bitching and get a life TC. For the record I don't care for the trailer either but I'm not being a bitch about it.

No. I will never silence myself ever
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Muffinz0rz
08/18/17 2:30:52 PM
#67:


ZombiePelican posted...
AzurexNightmare posted...
Stop bitching and get a life TC. For the record I don't care for the trailer either but I'm not being a bitch about it.

No. I will never silence myself ever

Muffinz0rz posted...
ZombiePelican posted...
The gym in the trailer is a copy and paste of Lt.Surge's gym

>Implying that the casual Pokemon GO fans to whom this trailer is pandering will remember a one-off gym from a game that came out 20 years ago

ZombiePelican posted...
all the focus on Alolan gen 1 pokemon

Alolan Kantos have been out since regular S/M. This isn't exactly news.

Your response?
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Bio1590
08/18/17 2:32:18 PM
#68:


Another topic that could have been an actual decent discussion completely ruined by the fact ZombiePelican is the one who made it.
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Xelltrix
08/18/17 2:33:21 PM
#69:


He was conplaining about Alolan forms back then too, Muffin.
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Feline_Heart
08/18/17 2:33:54 PM
#70:


This is a lame gimmick, bro
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ForestLogic
08/18/17 2:35:59 PM
#71:


I thought the trailer was shitty too, but mostly because despite the game releasing in under 3 months it shows off very little info about it.
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dave_is_slick
08/18/17 2:45:26 PM
#72:


TC has blatantly said he'll never change his views. Even when every goddamned thing proves him wrong. Why the fuck are you guys still responding?
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Muffinz0rz
08/18/17 2:46:46 PM
#73:


dave_is_slick posted...
TC has blatantly said he'll never change his views. Even when every goddamned thing proves him wrong. Why the fuck are you guys still responding?

I can't speak for others, but I often take troll bait because I get bored at work (which is the only reason I post here at all)
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Tmaster148
08/18/17 2:48:46 PM
#74:


Muffinz0rz posted...
dave_is_slick posted...
TC has blatantly said he'll never change his views. Even when every goddamned thing proves him wrong. Why the fuck are you guys still responding?

I can't speak for others, but I often take troll bait because I get bored at work (which is the only reason I post here at all)


Yeah sometimes it's just a good way to pass time. And at least this isn't a political troll topic, because those get very unbearable with some of the posters here.
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Muffinz0rz
08/18/17 2:50:44 PM
#75:


Tmaster148 posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
dave_is_slick posted...
TC has blatantly said he'll never change his views. Even when every goddamned thing proves him wrong. Why the fuck are you guys still responding?

I can't speak for others, but I often take troll bait because I get bored at work (which is the only reason I post here at all)


Yeah sometimes it's just a good way to pass time. And at least this isn't a political troll topic, because those get very unbearable with some of the posters here.

Yeah I think I'd quit my job if I ever found myself so bored that I felt like responding to polititroll posts.
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Darklit_Minuet
08/18/17 2:51:27 PM
#76:


dave_is_slick posted...
TC has blatantly said he'll never change his views. Even when every goddamned thing proves him wrong. Why the fuck are you guys still responding?

Because he is WRONG, thus we must tell him he's wrong
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ManLink4321
08/18/17 3:03:50 PM
#77:


TC is just butthurt that Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon will turn out to be A LOT better than the original Sun and Moon games.
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ZombiePelican
08/18/17 3:33:04 PM
#78:


Darklit_Minuet posted...
dave_is_slick posted...
TC has blatantly said he'll never change his views. Even when every goddamned thing proves him wrong. Why the fuck are you guys still responding?

Because he is WRONG, thus we must tell him he's wrong

Except I'm never wrong. So your point is moot
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Tmaster148
08/18/17 3:37:07 PM
#79:


ZombiePelican posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
dave_is_slick posted...
TC has blatantly said he'll never change his views. Even when every goddamned thing proves him wrong. Why the fuck are you guys still responding?

Because he is WRONG, thus we must tell him he's wrong

Except I'm never wrong. So your point is moot


The people who say "I'm never wrong" are the kind of people who are never right, but are incapable of realizing it.
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Xelltrix
08/18/17 3:41:35 PM
#80:


Legit said he was never wrong. Why even reply to a comment like that lol
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Bio1590
08/18/17 3:44:12 PM
#81:


ZombiePelican posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
dave_is_slick posted...
TC has blatantly said he'll never change his views. Even when every goddamned thing proves him wrong. Why the fuck are you guys still responding?

Because he is WRONG, thus we must tell him he's wrong

Except I'm never wrong. So your point is moot

Well there was that time you said Bioware purposely didn't include "white" in the skin colour selection wheel in Andromeda because they're a bunch of SJW's. With the whole "purposely" being a rumour started by a user on the boards.
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AzurexNightmare
08/18/17 3:46:53 PM
#82:


ZombiePelican posted...
AzurexNightmare posted...
Stop bitching and get a life TC. For the record I don't care for the trailer either but I'm not being a bitch about it.

No. I will never silence myself ever


"No I will never stop being a loser."

Such a fulfilling life you lead.
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ZombiePelican
08/18/17 4:20:29 PM
#83:


Tmaster148 posted...
ZombiePelican posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
dave_is_slick posted...
TC has blatantly said he'll never change his views. Even when every goddamned thing proves him wrong. Why the fuck are you guys still responding?

Because he is WRONG, thus we must tell him he's wrong

Except I'm never wrong. So your point is moot


The people who say "I'm never wrong" are the kind of people who are never right, but are incapable of realizing it.

Nah, I'm rarely ever wrong, especially about this industry. It's just CE has this weird and unjust hate boner for me and can't stand knowing I'm right so has to go of their way to defend things that are indefensible just because I was the one who said it


AzurexNightmare posted...
ZombiePelican posted...
AzurexNightmare posted...
Stop bitching and get a life TC. For the record I don't care for the trailer either but I'm not being a bitch about it.

No. I will never silence myself ever


"No I will never stop being a loser."

Such a fulfilling life you lead.

The spineless shill defending a multibillion dollar corporation is calling me a loser, ok pal.
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Tmaster148
08/18/17 4:22:12 PM
#84:


ZombiePelican posted...

Nah, I'm rarely ever wrong, especially about this industry. It's just CE has this weird and unjust hate boner for me and can't stand knowing I'm right so has to go of their way to defend things that are indefensible just because I was the one who said it


Or you're just delusional.

Either one would lead to you believing you are correct.
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AzurexNightmare
08/18/17 5:02:59 PM
#85:


Your wuss ass vs a billion dollar corporation. Sooooo noble. You're a nobody and you're nothing. Enjoy believing otherwise.
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mattnd2007
08/18/17 5:15:36 PM
#86:


I'm pretty unimpressed with the idea of the sequels. It will depend how they turn out if I buy or not. Right now leaning towards not. But they might impress me. We'll see.
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GiftedACIII
08/18/17 5:18:42 PM
#87:


I don't see any pandering. But practically NOTHING got revealed. We already knew about the new form.
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Tmaster148
08/18/17 5:24:44 PM
#88:


GiftedACIII posted...
I don't see any pandering. But practically NOTHING got revealed. We already knew about the new form.


Well we do know officially know it has both unique moves of the other two forms and the ability tough claws(which is far better than any of the abilities the other forms had).

Unfortunately unless it gets some egg moves as an event(as it's likely not breedable) it'll likely not be very good since it loses access to moves like sucker punch or an elemental fang. Also SE doesn't get boosted by Tough Claws and outside of Accelrock no other rock move(besides rollout, but i don't even think it can learn it) get boosted by Tough Claws.
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ZombiePelican
08/18/17 5:31:26 PM
#89:


AzurexNightmare posted...
Your wuss ass vs a billion dollar corporation. Sooooo noble. You're a nobody and you're nothing. Enjoy believing otherwise.

Least I'm not a spineless corporate thrall like you
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Darklit_Minuet
08/18/17 5:35:40 PM
#90:


ZombiePelican posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
dave_is_slick posted...
TC has blatantly said he'll never change his views. Even when every goddamned thing proves him wrong. Why the fuck are you guys still responding?

Because he is WRONG, thus we must tell him he's wrong

Except I'm never wrong. So your point is moot

You're wrong in this topic, because you're claiming that a good thing is insulting and disgusting when it is neither of those
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Kisai
08/18/17 5:36:12 PM
#91:


I watched the trailer TC linked and saw no callbacks to Kanto, or any references to Pokémon Go. I have no idea what the hell he's talking about.

TC, did you actually watch the trailer you linked to? Or are you just making stuff up? Your trolling is getting pretty bad and lazy at this point.
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ZombiePelican
08/18/17 5:38:12 PM
#92:


Darklit_Minuet posted...
ZombiePelican posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
dave_is_slick posted...
TC has blatantly said he'll never change his views. Even when every goddamned thing proves him wrong. Why the fuck are you guys still responding?

Because he is WRONG, thus we must tell him he's wrong

Except I'm never wrong. So your point is moot

You're wrong in this topic, because you're claiming that a good thing is insulting and disgusting when it is neither of those

Telling your core fanbase to go fuck itself while pandering to a demographic of fleeting causals who have no loyalty and will all eventually ditch you is not a good thing no matter how much you keep reaching
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Tmaster148
08/18/17 5:40:26 PM
#93:


Kisai posted...
I watched the trailer TC linked and saw no callbacks to Kanto, or any references to Pokémon Go. I have no idea what the hell he's talking about.

TC, did you actually watch the trailer you linked to? Or are you just making stuff up? Your trolling is getting pretty bad and lazy at this point.


To be fair.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/6uhthw/i_could_be_wrong_but_doesnt_this_place_from_the/

But it's also speculation. Although seeing the dragon guy getting some story relevance than an end game character who can challenge you is nice.
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ZombiePelican
08/18/17 5:41:49 PM
#94:


Kisai posted...
I watched the trailer TC linked and saw no callbacks to Kanto

I can't tell if this is bait or....

Kisai posted...
or any references to Pokémon Go.

Because that's the fanbase who all these gen 1 callbacks are designed to pander to, who needs to put in effort to please your core fanbase when casuals will eat up anything you shit out without question?

Kisai posted...
TC, did you actually watch the trailer you linked to?

I did, bit it seems you didn't watch more than 10 seconds of it
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Tmaster148
08/18/17 5:43:03 PM
#95:


Casuals won't understand gen 1 callbacks. Core fanbase will. You literally have no idea what you are talking about.
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Darklit_Minuet
08/18/17 5:43:08 PM
#96:


ZombiePelican posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
ZombiePelican posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
dave_is_slick posted...
TC has blatantly said he'll never change his views. Even when every goddamned thing proves him wrong. Why the fuck are you guys still responding?

Because he is WRONG, thus we must tell him he's wrong

Except I'm never wrong. So your point is moot

You're wrong in this topic, because you're claiming that a good thing is insulting and disgusting when it is neither of those

Telling your core fanbase to go fuck itself while pandering to a demographic of fleeting causals who have no loyalty and will all eventually ditch you is not a good thing no matter how much you keep reaching

I am the core fanbase. My friends are the core fanbase. We have been playing these games since the original RBY. We grew up battling over Link Cable, and are currently battling over Wifi. Technology has evolved, and so have we.

None of us feel insulted by these trailers. All of my friends love the Kanto callbacks, because we love references to when we first got into the series. It's a great nostalgia blast. We love the new, but we also love the old.

Why is it a fuck you to the core fanbase if the core fanbase loves this? A fuck you to you personally, maybe, but not to the core fanbase.

Did you just have a horrible childhood and hate to be reminded of it? I just don't understand your vitriol. Why is pandering to us equal to pandering to casuals to you? Most hardcore fans I know of, including ones that battle competitively, also love the callbacks.

If nobody finds this problematic but you, maybe you're the problem
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Paragon21XX
08/18/17 5:45:13 PM
#97:


ZompiePelican Nintendo hate-boner topic #...I lost count
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Kisai
08/18/17 5:51:42 PM
#98:


Tmaster148 posted...
Kisai posted...
I watched the trailer TC linked and saw no callbacks to Kanto, or any references to Pokémon Go. I have no idea what the hell he's talking about.

TC, did you actually watch the trailer you linked to? Or are you just making stuff up? Your trolling is getting pretty bad and lazy at this point.


To be fair.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/6uhthw/i_could_be_wrong_but_doesnt_this_place_from_the/

But it's also speculation. Although seeing the dragon guy getting some story relevance than an end game character who can challenge you is nice.

That one shot is not enough for the meltdown over "Kanto" and "pandering" that TC's talking about. ¬_¬ I doubt anybody would even notice that. Also, that doesn't mean we're going back to Kanto, the layout is probably just a reference. Goddamn, the internet these days.

And I'm still curious why he's yelling about Pokémon Go for some reason...
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Tmaster148
08/18/17 5:53:43 PM
#99:


Kisai posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
Kisai posted...
I watched the trailer TC linked and saw no callbacks to Kanto, or any references to Pokémon Go. I have no idea what the hell he's talking about.

TC, did you actually watch the trailer you linked to? Or are you just making stuff up? Your trolling is getting pretty bad and lazy at this point.


To be fair.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/6uhthw/i_could_be_wrong_but_doesnt_this_place_from_the/

But it's also speculation. Although seeing the dragon guy getting some story relevance than an end game character who can challenge you is nice.

That one shot is not enough for the meltdown over "Kanto" and "pandering" that TC's talking about. ¬_¬ I doubt anybody would even notice that. Also, that doesn't mean we're going back to Kanto, the layout is probably just a reference. Goddamn, the internet these days.

And I'm still curious why he's yelling about Pokémon Go for some reason...


One of the things TC hates is pokemon. He's pretty anti-nintendo, but he has a huge hate boner for pokemon.

But anyways, small callbacks like that are nice and core fans who have been with the entire series can appreciate minor details like that. It doesn't take away from the game.
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ZombiePelican
08/18/17 6:07:11 PM
#100:


Darklit_Minuet posted...
Why is pandering to us equal to pandering to casuals to you?

What demographic is obessed with gen 1 nostalgia since they never played a Pokemon game past that? I'll wait

Darklit_Minuet posted...
If nobody finds this problematic but you, maybe you're the problem

No you have it backwards, fans who will just take GF and Nintendo's jizz to the face and refuse to demand actual effort and quality are the problem. I'm here trying to solve it.

Kisai posted...
That one shot is not enough for the meltdown over

Yes it is, It's a clear sign of which direction GF/Nintendo are going with the IP and it's not in yours if you played a Pokemon game past gen


Kisai posted...
I doubt anybody would even notice that.

You should be happy, I'm here to present obvious problems the fanbase refuses to acknowledge

Kisai posted...
Also, that doesn't mean we're going back to Kanto,

Give it time, I bet we see even more Alolan forms and I bet you they'll all be gen 1 Pokemon and probably have a part where you need to go Kanto for some reason and it's just LOADED with gen 1 callbacks, god I almost vommited thinking about it

Kisai posted...
And I'm still curious why he's yelling about Pokémon Go for some reason.

Because they're the demographic all these gen 1 callbacks were designed to pander to
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ZombiePelican
08/18/17 6:07:19 PM
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Darklit_Minuet posted...
I am the core fanbase

No you're not

Darklit_Minuet posted...
My friends are the core fanbase.

No they're not

Darklit_Minuet posted...
We have been playing these games since the original RBY. We grew up battling over Link Cable, and are currently battling over Wifi.


https://i.imgtc.com/3lCxeTJ.jpeg

Darklit_Minuet posted...
None of us feel insulted by these trailers. All of my friends love the Kanto callbacks, because we love references to when we first got into the series.


Then you aren't a true fan if you're just going juat naively take this at face value. These callbacks were designed soley to pander to people who haven't played a Pokemon game since gen 1, i.e. Pokemon Go players

Darklit_Minuet posted...
It's a great nostalgia blast. We love the new, but we also love the old.

I don't want fucking nostalgic bullshit shoved down my thoat, if I'm buying a NEW game Pokemon game, I want NEW Pokemon whose designs aren't completely half assed and not OLD Pokemon reskinned to act as Pokedex filler and so they don't have to create as many new Pokemon which is exactly what happened this gen


Darklit_Minuet posted...
Why is it a f*** you to the core fanbase if the core fanbase loves this?

The core fanbase doesn't love this, the core fanbase does not want garbage designed soley to pander to casuals so they can put in less effort and still rake in dosh
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