Board 8 > Game of Thrones Season 7 - You fucking idiot. (SPOILER)

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I miss cersei's hair. If all this time has passed shouldn't her hair be longer? Would it be too confusing to have 2 long blonde hair queens?
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Haven't seen it for myself yet, but the comments I'm hearing about some of the things said in the "Inside the Episode" for this

yikes

classic got never left it's just been hiding under the surface
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Fucking

God

It's nearly 5am, the show has been over nearly 2 hours, and my heart is still beating so fast. That last battle was a serious adrenaline rush. There's something insanely surreal about Jaime trying to rush Daenerys with a spear. Like I expect to see Dany and Cersei share a scene at some point but...I dunno
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I am so pissed off I had a long post typed up and the topic got closed.

Anyway, what a fantastic episode, even from someone that hates Daenarys.

The sheer terror when Drogon comes over the horizon was incredible. I felt it.

I got up out of my chair and shouted YES! YES! when Bronn tagged Drogon with the scorpion bolt.

And I was right there with Tyrion shouting at Jaime to run away.

Everything about that was amazing.
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xp1337 posted...

Haven't seen it for myself yet, but the comments I'm hearing about some of the things said in the "Inside the Episode" for this

yikes

classic got never left it's just been hiding under the surface

I just watched it on YouTube. The guy called the battle the "Lutrayan Battle" or something? I don't know if that's a historical reference or a part of Westeros I don't know. Or I just misheard.
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No, HBO is calling it the "Loot Train" battle.
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There's zero question that this was a more exciting and overall better battle than Battle of the Bastards. There was no deus ex machina at the end, and the favored army stomped the underdogs. But it was still visceral and thrilling thanks to the drama of the scorpion, the visual feast that really conveyed the horror of the situation, the characters involved on both sides, and the novelty of a fucking dragon.

My favorite moment of the battle was probably the Dothraki bursting through the wall of flame and running over utterly burned corpses. Fire is not a nice way to go.
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comparing it to the battle of the bastards is already a concession

since neither is anywhere near the league of actual best battles Hardhome and Blackwater.
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Also - this still feels like a ridiculous plothole to me, but Jaime mentions that Highgarden is nearly impossible to hold. Now it makes absolutely zero sense for a stronghold of the Wardens of the South to be a bad fortress, but... if it were, then that at least kind of would justify the bullshit lack of siege from last episode.
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Also things have become far more enjoyable since I've just decided to stop caring about travel times.

Also what happened to Randyll Tarly? Did he die somehwere in that or what?
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I think Jaime meant impossible for Bronn specifically. Because Bronn wouldn't have anyone to hold it with and wouldn't have support from the Lannisters since they'd be busy with Daenerys.
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xp1337 posted...

comparing it to the battle of the bastards is already a concession

since neither is anywhere near the league of actual best battles Hardhome and Blackwater.

i mean it was 20 minutes that wasn't built up over literally the course of an entire season so no it wasn't blackwater. close though.

i might put it over hardhome.
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I would have rather gotten this battle than some pointless highgarden siege against commander john doe with a forgone conclusion as the outcome
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Hardhome remains the peak of the show, honestly. Nothing since has been anywhere close. And you pretty much have to go backwards to Blackwater to find an instance that was.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

Also what happened to Randyll Tarly? Did he die somehwere in that or what?

I hope so. it'd be interesting if Dickon has to become the Lord and deal with his father's death after the dragon attack.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

Also things have become far more enjoyable since I've just decided to stop caring about travel times.

You don't actually have to worry about it! I'm reading on Facebook that apparently this battle took place quite close to the east coast, at Blackwater Rush. Which means all Dany had to do would be cross Blackwater Bay (while the Royal Navy is still on the west side of the continent), then march a very short distance inland.

ExThaNemesis posted...

Also what happened to Randyll Tarly? Did he die somehwere in that or what?

Saw someone who looked like him get roasted, but I probably just think all bald white dudes look alike.

xp1337 posted...

I think Jaime meant impossible for Bronn specifically. Because Bronn wouldn't have anyone to hold it with and wouldn't have support from the Lannisters since they'd be busy with Daenerys.

blahhhhhh
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I think they established that Randyll went ahead with a delivery of gold for the iron bank, so at least the Lannisters aren't wallowing in debt in the wake of this brutal beatdown.
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I can't believe they fucking did my boy Jaime the Kingslayer, Pussyslayer, FUCKING Lannister like that. Fuck.
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I thought they had said that all of the gold made it through the gates of king's landing already, before the battle.

The stuff that got burned was all supplies and food (that dany was whining they didn't have lol).
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Amazing episode. Amazing battle. Not the best battle (Hardhome and Battle of the Bastards are tied; Blackwater is #4 IMO) but it didn't have to be. It was sudden, you could feel the dread, and to see that Field of Fire was phenomenal.

Seabass and I called it, I think, if I remember correctly? Well anyway, it was more spectacular than I'd dared to hope.
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Yeah this is the one time travel time isn't really important. Dragonstone and KL/Blackwater are quite close. Teleports aren't really an issue here.

Trying to picture the map in my head though the only weird thing is that I think Daenerys would have to more or less pass KL to reach Jaime's group if they're marching from Highgarden. Nothing wrong with it, per se, just weird to think they land and just bypass KL/not get noticed.
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Inviso posted...

I think they established that Randyll went ahead with a delivery of gold for the iron bank, so at least the Lannisters aren't wallowing in debt in the wake of this brutal beatdown.

Like, he literally fled from battle with the gold? Because he was manning those lines. The last time I remember seeing him for sure he was telling the Lannister-Tarly forces to stand strong against the Dothraki charge.

Tycho Nestoris really emphasizes 'when we get paid.' Kinda suspect that maybe it doesn't get to KL?
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Jeff Zero posted...

Seabass and I called it, I think, if I remember correctly? Well anyway, it was more spectacular than I'd dared to hope.

minor spoilers about the next episode: I think we both also called 7x07 as East-watch... but apparently that's the next episode name.

Get fucking hype.

That also means that Cleganebowl might be 7x06/7x07 if The Hound can teleport from the North to KL.
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IIRC, Tarly says most of the gold has made it to KL and what we see is the "tail" of the formation. If true, then KL probably got the gold and merely lost the grain/supplies. Tarly himself was at the tail with everyone else with a name.
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That's the episode title?! Hoooooooly shit.
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Yeah just checked.

In the conversation that ends with Tarly saying they should flog stragglers, when he approaches Jamie and Bronn he says "All the gold safely through the gates at King's Landing."
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I simply don't see how Jaime/Bronn survive that without getting captured.

How do they get far enough away from Drogon/Dany to surface for air, even if they could?
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Yeah. The preview also focuses on The North and there's a shot of Bran watching the Army of the Dead. So... yeah. I'm going to try to restrain myself from overhype, but I'm really excited about next week.
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FFDragon posted...

Yeah just checked.

In the conversation that ends with Tarly saying they should flog stragglers, when he approaches Jamie and Bronn he says "All the gold safely through the gates at King's Landing."

Thanks for the clarification.

BTW, didn't see this comment - but did anyone notice that Cersei mentions the Golden Company? What a fucking boss!

Was Drogon the only dragon in that battle? I have a hard time telling them apart. There were a few shots where I didn't see Dany on top of the dragon pictured in frame. But I suppose if there were more than one, that they'd show up on frame at the same time, right?
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ExThaNemesis posted...

I simply don't see how Jaime/Bronn survive that without getting captured.

How do they get far enough away from Drogon/Dany to surface for air, even if they could?

They can't.

The only borderline plausible explanation I've seen for Jaime even surviving is that Bronn was unarmored. Not sure I buy he can drag a sinking Armored Jaime out of that before he drowns. But no way they survive and escape.

if they do this becomes retroactively the worst episode of the season
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There were a few shots where I thought the dragon was green, which would not be Drogon, but as it went on I got the impression it was supposed to just be him. Not 100% though.
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jaime is definitely escaping lmao, game of thrones has mega-plot armor now and it's obvious that his character arc involves seeing the wrong in cersei. sorry y'all.

i don't think the show is smart enough to have jaime captured, then act as a sleeper agent for dany as he realizes cersei's nuts.
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SeabassDebeste posted...

jaime is definitely escaping lmao, game of thrones has mega-plot armor now and it's obvious that his character arc involves seeing the wrong in cersei. sorry y'all.

i don't think the show is smart enough to have jaime captured, then act as a sleeper agent for dany as he realizes cersei's nuts.

Then Season 7 has finally fallen back to Earth and is the show I always expected it to be!
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The only end of Jaime's arc that will give me satisfaction is having him holding the sister he loved and just murdered in his arms as he weeps.

Jaime Lannister's entire retribution arc can only end in tragedy for him. That's the point.

I was going to be livid if Dany's stupid fucking dragon burned him to cinders before we got to see it.
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kirbypikachuhat posted...

I miss cersei's hair. If all this time has passed shouldn't her hair be longer? Would it be too confusing to have 2 long blonde hair queens?

She obviously keeps it cut because she looks way better this way. It fits her new Disney villain aesthetic too
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ExThaNemesis posted...

The only end of Jaime's arc that will give me satisfaction is having him holding the sister he loved and just murdered in his arms as he weeps.

Jaime Lannister's entire retribution arc can only end in tragedy for him. That's the point.

I was going to be livid if Dany's stupid fucking dragon burned him to cinders before we got to see it.

I think that's where the story is leading us, but honestly, if he dies before that it'd be hilariously trollish and I couldn't even fault the showrunners for that.
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At the rate Jaime's character is progressing, he's most likely to die, come back as a zombie in Season 8, and then ponderously stare off-screen as he wonders if maybe, just maybe, his life could have been a little better had he not been so loyal to Cersei.
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Jaime is the prince who was promised. Cersei will be his nyssa nyssa, and he will draw lightbringer forth from her.

CALLING IT NOW
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Yeah I would totally be ok with him dying early. Been a while since we've had a shocking death.
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you gotta be careful when assuming the show has a plan for character arcs

just look at littlefinger

the mystery of wtf he was doing by giving sansa to the boltons will go down as one of history's greatest unsolved mysteries
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Not going to lie though, I was sort of hoping Jaime shoved the lance down Drogon's throat, even if he ate a face full of dragon's fire for it. That is like the most badass way to go and his nickname could posthumously be changed to Dragonslayer.
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it's flimsy, but littlefinger did benefit - he was able to mobilize the vale, and now while he's in the weakest political position, he controls the largest army in winterfell.

but yeah, he miserably misread the damage he would do to his relationship with sansa, and he couldn't have predicted two more enemies arriving in arya and bran.
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He's doing a terrible job of not talking to Sansa since Jon left.

He did say "talk to my sister and I'll kill you."


..right?
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But why did Littlefinger and Sansa need to leave the Vale? They already controlled it aaaaaaaaaaaa.

Littlefinger is just testing how stupid he can be before it gets him killed. I half expected Bran to do it when he was handed the dagger.
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I though he said 'touch my sister' but Jon always sounds like he's got a mouth full of sand so who knows.
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the way I see it, Jaime can't die before getting back to Cersei because of what Olenna told him.
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It's pretty much unforgivable if they just throw Jaime's whole character arc away for a badass dragonfire death.

Like it's not good writing.

I am passionate about this because Jaime is my favorite character by miles. His chapters are my favorite in the books. His actor is my favorite on the show. He's just phenomenal all around.
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transcience posted...

the way I see it, Jaime can't die before getting back to Cersei because of what Olenna told him.

Nah, he can. If he's captured he now knows for sure that Tyrion is innocent and it could change their interactions.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

I am passionate about this because Jaime is my favorite character by miles. His chapters are my favorite in the books. His actor is my favorite on the show. He's just phenomenal all around.

That's a weird position because his book character arc was thrown away seasons ago!
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