Poll of the Day > 15 month sentence for that text suicide story.

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Gradieus
08/03/17 3:20:59 PM
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Was max 20 years.
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Jen0125
08/03/17 3:31:04 PM
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i think that's fair.

that was a weird situation and he seemed like he did want to commit suicide.
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Zeus
08/03/17 3:32:37 PM
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Should be longer, considering that she likely won't have to serve more than half of that.

Jen0125 posted...
that was a weird situation and he seemed like he did want to commit suicide.


...because she goaded him into it.
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Erik_P
08/03/17 3:35:22 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
i think that's fair.

that was a weird situation and he seemed like he did want to commit suicide.


It's absolute bullshit. If the genders were reversed, or the race was anything other than white, the person would be doing the full 20 years.

She's straight up an evil sociopath and it's only a matter of time before she does it again.
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thedeerzord
08/03/17 3:37:35 PM
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Erik_P posted...
It's absolute bullshit. If the genders were reversed, or the race was anything other than white, the person would be doing the full 20 years.

She's straight up an evil sociopath and it's only a matter of time before she does it again.

You're a straight up evil sociopath.
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Muffinz0rz
08/03/17 3:37:43 PM
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Zeus posted...
Should be longer, considering that she likely won't have to serve more than half of that.

Jen0125 posted...
that was a weird situation and he seemed like he did want to commit suicide.


...because she goaded him into it.

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Jen0125
08/03/17 3:40:05 PM
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Zeus posted...
...because she goaded him into it.


no he had a history of attempting suicide and expressed numerous times his desire to commit suicide.

she also had her own psychological issues and was on medication for those.

it wasn't a black and white issue.


Erik_P posted...
If the genders were reversed, or the race was anything other than white, the person would be doing the full 20 years.


what??? lmao i don't think race or gender has anything to do with it. if anything it has to do with it being two impressionable young teenagers doing stupid shit.
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green dragon
08/03/17 3:41:20 PM
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Erik_P posted...
It's absolute bullshit. If the genders were reversed, or the race was anything other than white, the person would be doing the full 20 years.

dude, shut the fuck up
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Erik_P
08/03/17 3:41:38 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
Zeus posted...
...because she goaded him into it.


no he had a history of attempting suicide and expressed numerous times his desire to commit suicide.

she also had her own psychological issues and was on medication for those.

it wasn't a black and white issue.


She kept telling him to do it and sounded straight up disappointed when she found out he hadn't done it yet. Have psych issues isn't a valid defense.
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Jen0125
08/03/17 3:42:13 PM
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Erik_P posted...

She kept telling him to do it and sounded straight up disappointed when she found out he hadn't done it yet. Have psych issues isn't a valid defense.


i don't care about your opinion on anything.

if she has psychological issues and truly believed that he would be better off killing himself because he was that unhappy then she is better off going to prison for 15 months and getting rehabilitation than going to prison for 20 years and becoming a waste of life. she's young and can absolutely be rehabilitated.
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adjl
08/03/17 3:43:49 PM
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Erik_P posted...
Have psych issues isn't a valid defense.


Psych issues are absolutely a valid defense. If you can prevent somebody from being a danger to society by treating their mental illness instead of putting them in jail, that's obviously the better option. Jail isn't going to fix mental health issues.
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mastermix3000
08/03/17 3:46:52 PM
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This was a really tricky case

Is she an asshole, yea. I think that's enough jail time. You can't keep someone in jail for 20 years just because she prompted him to kill himself.

It was such a mess, but she is definitely a fucked up individual who will probably regret this for the rest of her life
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TES_Nut
08/03/17 4:23:39 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
Erik_P posted...

She kept telling him to do it and sounded straight up disappointed when she found out he hadn't done it yet. Have psych issues isn't a valid defense.


i don't care about your opinion on anything.

if she has psychological issues and truly believed that he would be better off killing himself because he was that unhappy then she is better off going to prison for 15 months and getting rehabilitation than going to prison for 20 years and becoming a waste of life. she's young and can absolutely be rehabilitated.


Maybe she'll learn to knit
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Muffinz0rz
08/03/17 4:32:34 PM
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TES_Nut posted...
Jen0125 posted...
Erik_P posted...

She kept telling him to do it and sounded straight up disappointed when she found out he hadn't done it yet. Have psych issues isn't a valid defense.


i don't care about your opinion on anything.

if she has psychological issues and truly believed that he would be better off killing himself because he was that unhappy then she is better off going to prison for 15 months and getting rehabilitation than going to prison for 20 years and becoming a waste of life. she's young and can absolutely be rehabilitated.


Maybe she'll learn to knit

She's going to have to macramé because she's not sane enough to be around sharp objects
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OhhhJa
08/03/17 4:40:46 PM
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Zeus posted...
Should be longer, considering that she likely won't have to serve more than half of that.

Naw she'll serve the whole thing. Generally serving two years or less you do it all the way to the door
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Gradieus
08/03/17 4:42:32 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
Zeus posted...
Should be longer, considering that she likely won't have to serve more than half of that.

Naw she'll serve the whole thing. Generally serving two years or less you do it all the way to the door


It was actually 2.5 years but they said she'll serve 15 months.
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Yellow
08/03/17 4:44:36 PM
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thedeerzord posted...
Erik_P posted...
It's absolute bullshit. If the genders were reversed, or the race was anything other than white, the person would be doing the full 20 years.

She's straight up an evil sociopath and it's only a matter of time before she does it again.

You're a straight up evil sociopath.

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OhhhJa
08/03/17 4:46:21 PM
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Erik_P posted...
Jen0125 posted...
i think that's fair.

that was a weird situation and he seemed like he did want to commit suicide.


It's absolute bullshit. If the genders were reversed, or the race was anything other than white, the person would be doing the full 20 years.

She's straight up an evil sociopath and it's only a matter of time before she does it again.

Also, I actually agree with Erik here. It's not secret that women serve on average less time for the same crimes. If the roles were reversed, I do think the sentence would be longer
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Duck-I-Says
08/03/17 4:59:45 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
lmao i don't think race or gender has anything to do with it.


To be fair those always play a role in sentencing. Being male and/or being black gets your more time for the same crime.
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Jen0125
08/03/17 5:14:32 PM
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Duck-I-Says posted...
To be fair those always play a role in sentencing. Being male and/or being black gets your more time for the same crime.


i don't think it has a role in this crime. this is a very strange crime of passion between teenage lovers.
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OhhhJa
08/03/17 5:24:51 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
Duck-I-Says posted...
To be fair those always play a role in sentencing. Being male and/or being black gets your more time for the same crime.


i don't think it has a role in this crime. this is a very strange crime of passion between teenage lovers.

Even judges are human and people would have more sympathy for a girl victim in this case. That's real sexism that you see every day.
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Golden Road
08/03/17 5:25:42 PM
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Erik_P posted...
She's straight up an evil sociopath and it's only a matter of time before she does it again.

Eh, I dunno' about that. She's probably not going to get another opportunity where she could commit this specific crime again.
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ssj4supervegeta
08/03/17 5:27:35 PM
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Erik_P posted...
Jen0125 posted...
i think that's fair.

that was a weird situation and he seemed like he did want to commit suicide.


It's absolute bullshit. If the genders were reversed, or the race was anything other than white, the person would be doing the full 20 years.

She's straight up an evil sociopath and it's only a matter of time before she does it again.

you're a very strange person.

but eh. idk. from what little i've looked into it i don't think she really deserves to do any time at all.
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ASlaveObeys
08/03/17 5:50:15 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
Erik_P posted...

She kept telling him to do it and sounded straight up disappointed when she found out he hadn't done it yet. Have psych issues isn't a valid defense.


i don't care about your opinion on anything.

if she has psychological issues and truly believed that he would be better off killing himself because he was that unhappy then she is better off going to prison for 15 months and getting rehabilitation than going to prison for 20 years and becoming a waste of life. she's young and can absolutely be rehabilitated.

Not really. If she's truly a sociopath rehab won't do anything and she knew what she was doing was wrong and she actively didn't care. Antisocial personality disorder at that level won't and have never been rehabilitated.

I have no actual opinion on the case I'm just pointing out that the whole "rehab them" thing isn't valid a lot of the time.
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Jen0125
08/03/17 5:57:42 PM
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i'm pretty sure she's not been diagnosed as a sociopath and that's just speculation from the internet and people reading the news articles.
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ASlaveObeys
08/03/17 6:00:27 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
i'm pretty sure she's not been diagnosed as a sociopath and that's just speculation from the internet and people reading the news articles.

I guess, but nothing suggests otherwise and all the evidence suggests she is ASPD.

Even so, she's not clinically insane in anyway to suggest rehab would help her. She was aware of her actions, the only problem is she didn't expect the consequences to be as high as they were.
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Jen0125
08/03/17 6:28:32 PM
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idk she was also a juvenile and i'm pretty sure the judge said that had a lot to do with his decision.
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Troll_Police_
08/03/17 6:34:04 PM
#28:


Jen0125 posted...
Erik_P posted...

She kept telling him to do it and sounded straight up disappointed when she found out he hadn't done it yet. Have psych issues isn't a valid defense.


i don't care about your opinion on anything.

if she has psychological issues and truly believed that he would be better off killing himself because he was that unhappy then she is better off going to prison for 15 months and getting rehabilitation than going to prison for 20 years and becoming a waste of life. she's young and can absolutely be rehabilitated.


jesus christ jen. i always knew you were a pretty deplorable person, but this is shocking even for me.
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Jen0125
08/03/17 6:39:11 PM
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Troll_Police_ posted...
jesus christ jen. i always knew you were a pretty deplorable person, but this is shocking even for me.


yeah fuck me for believing teenagers can be rehabilitated
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Nade Duck
08/03/17 6:50:32 PM
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green dragon posted...
Erik_P posted...
It's absolute bullshit. If the genders were reversed, or the race was anything other than white, the person would be doing the full 20 years.

dude, shut the fuck up

nah, gonna have to agree with erik here. this shit has that kinda vibe to it, kinda like when female teachers bang their students and get a slap on the wrist for it. she was a young pretty blonde, wasn't she?

yeeeeah, no like. kinda hope the other inmates give her fair treatment.
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Golden Road
08/03/17 6:58:14 PM
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Nade Duck posted...
nah, gonna have to agree with erik here. this shit has that kinda vibe to it, kinda like when female teachers bang their students and get a slap on the wrist for it. she was a young pretty blonde, wasn't she?

Erik has a point, but it's kinda' the wrong one. Giving her the full 20 years in the name of equality is backwards. Giving men and people of color less time is the better way to achieve equality here. That's the kind of equality we should be aiming for.
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ungubby
08/03/17 7:36:23 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
Troll_Police_ posted...
jesus christ jen. i always knew you were a pretty deplorable person, but this is shocking even for me.


yeah fuck me for believing teenagers can be rehabilitated


This. I personally don't think she's a danger to society at all.
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reiko57
08/03/17 8:22:52 PM
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adjl posted...
Erik_P posted...
Have psych issues isn't a valid defense.


Psych issues are absolutely a valid defense. If you can prevent somebody from being a danger to society by treating their mental illness instead of putting them in jail, that's obviously the better option. Jail isn't going to fix mental health issues.


most of the people in there had serious mental health issues.
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Zeus
08/03/17 8:24:22 PM
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Muffinz0rz posted...
Zeus posted...
Should be longer, considering that she likely won't have to serve more than half of that.

Jen0125 posted...
that was a weird situation and he seemed like he did want to commit suicide.


...because she goaded him into it.

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Jen0125 posted...
if she has psychological issues and truly believed that he would be better off killing himself because he was that unhappy then she is better off going to prison for 15 months and getting rehabilitation than going to prison for 20 years and becoming a waste of life. she's young and can absolutely be rehabilitated.


Yet odds are she won't even see the inside of a psych ward, let alone a prison. This will be delayed by appeal until they just let it go, because she's a rich little white girl which means she's virtually immune to consequences.
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Zeus
08/03/17 8:24:26 PM
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ungubby posted...
Jen0125 posted...
Troll_Police_ posted...
jesus christ jen. i always knew you were a pretty deplorable person, but this is shocking even for me.


yeah fuck me for believing teenagers can be rehabilitated


This. I personally don't think she's a danger to society at all.


Given that it was a malicious, calculated act she's DEFINITELY a danger to society. You don't want to see what she graduates to from there.

Golden Road posted...
Nade Duck posted...
nah, gonna have to agree with erik here. this shit has that kinda vibe to it, kinda like when female teachers bang their students and get a slap on the wrist for it. she was a young pretty blonde, wasn't she?

Erik has a point, but it's kinda' the wrong one. Giving her the full 20 years in the name of equality is backwards. Giving men and people of color less time is the better way to achieve equality here. That's the kind of equality we should be aiming for.


Regardless, this sentence is nowhere near adequate for the crime and she likely won't end up serving any of it once the appeals start. Maybe the next person she kills will see justice, though.
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wwinterj25
08/03/17 8:29:20 PM
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Fair, next.
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ShinRaKnight
08/03/17 8:47:50 PM
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She shouldn't have gotten anything.

People are so fucking sensitive in this day and age, goading him or not. He was responsible for his own actions.
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Zeus
08/03/17 8:50:35 PM
#38:


ShinRaKnight posted...
She shouldn't have gotten anything.

People are so fucking sensitive in this day and age, goading him or not. He was responsible for his own actions.


By that logic, you shouldn't charge people who pay to have somebody killed. After all, the hitman is responsible for his own actions! Frankly, she knew what she was doing and she's responsible for her actions, therefore she's earned this. If anything, she should be kissing the ground and thanking the judge for his mercy.
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ShinRaKnight
08/03/17 9:02:07 PM
#39:


Zeus posted...
ShinRaKnight posted...
She shouldn't have gotten anything.

People are so fucking sensitive in this day and age, goading him or not. He was responsible for his own actions.


By that logic, you shouldn't charge people who pay to have somebody killed. After all, the hitman is responsible for his own actions! Frankly, she knew what she was doing and she's responsible for her actions, therefore she's earned this. If anything, she should be kissing the ground and thanking the judge for his mercy.


Why is it that people like you can't come up with a good analogy. A hitman doesn't make sense at all. The Hitman was hired to do the job. Without you hiring them, they wouldn't have killed that person.

He was threatening to kill himself for awhile before he did it. She might not have stopped him but she wasn't responsible for it. You even spend any time in the CoD community, I have probably been told to kill myself a thousand times. I'm still here.

At what point is someone not responsible for their own actions. Am I the only person who was told the "Sticks and Stones" ideology.
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wwinterj25
08/03/17 9:05:58 PM
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ShinRaKnight posted...
Why is it that people like you can't come up with a good analogy.


Some people like to blame others for their own actions/the actions of those they are close with.
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Nade Duck
08/03/17 9:31:03 PM
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Golden Road posted...
Nade Duck posted...
nah, gonna have to agree with erik here. this shit has that kinda vibe to it, kinda like when female teachers bang their students and get a slap on the wrist for it. she was a young pretty blonde, wasn't she?

Erik has a point, but it's kinda' the wrong one. Giving her the full 20 years in the name of equality is backwards. Giving men and people of color less time is the better way to achieve equality here. That's the kind of equality we should be aiming for.

i don't disagree but it's difficult not to feel slightly bitter. one way or another it needs to be evened out
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_AdjI_
08/03/17 9:38:11 PM
#42:


reiko57 posted...
adjl posted...
Erik_P posted...
Have psych issues isn't a valid defense.


Psych issues are absolutely a valid defense. If you can prevent somebody from being a danger to society by treating their mental illness instead of putting them in jail, that's obviously the better option. Jail isn't going to fix mental health issues.


most of the people in there had serious mental health issues.


They do indeed. It's kind of a major problem.
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DrPrimemaster
08/03/17 9:51:08 PM
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Man I'm just imagining myself at my worst. If my girlfriend at the time had said some of the stuff she said I could have done it.

What she did is extremely messed up, she was a trusted person in this kid's life and she pushed him into it. Had she not been there he wouldn't have done it. She killed him.


ASlaveObeys posted...
I guess, but nothing suggests otherwise and all the evidence suggests she is ASPD.

Even so, she's not clinically insane in anyway to suggest rehab would help her. She was aware of her actions, the only problem is she didn't expect the consequences to be as high as they were.


Gonna go with the only person here who has actually studied psychology.
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-Komaiko54-
08/03/17 9:59:24 PM
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Can someone PLEASE explain to me what the FUCK I missed?!
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08/03/17 10:00:36 PM
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Zeus
08/04/17 2:07:26 AM
#46:


ShinRaKnight posted...
Zeus posted...
ShinRaKnight posted...
She shouldn't have gotten anything.

People are so fucking sensitive in this day and age, goading him or not. He was responsible for his own actions.


By that logic, you shouldn't charge people who pay to have somebody killed. After all, the hitman is responsible for his own actions! Frankly, she knew what she was doing and she's responsible for her actions, therefore she's earned this. If anything, she should be kissing the ground and thanking the judge for his mercy.


Why is it that people like you can't come up with a good analogy. A hitman doesn't make sense at all. The Hitman was hired to do the job. Without you hiring them, they wouldn't have killed that person.

He was threatening to kill himself for awhile before he did it. She might not have stopped him but she wasn't responsible for it. You even spend any time in the CoD community, I have probably been told to kill myself a thousand times. I'm still here.

At what point is someone not responsible for their own actions. Am I the only person who was told the "Sticks and Stones" ideology.


Why is that people accidentally acknowledge that it's a good analogy? Especially because without her goading him on, he wouldn't have killed himself.

And lol @ trying to compare random fucking internet guys he doesn't know with his GIRLFRIEND. Because those two groups are apparently exactly the same. After all, don't you give identical consideration to random strangers as you do the love of your life? Oh, what's that, you don't? Because they're not the same at all?

And finally, yes, make her be responsible for her own actions.

wwinterj25 posted...
ShinRaKnight posted...
Why is it that people like you can't come up with a good analogy.


Some people like to blame others for their own actions/the actions of those they are close with.


Because apparently a girlfriend goading a mentally ill kid into suicide is perfectly okay? idk, how many people does she have to kill by proxy before guys like ShinRa begin to acknowledge that the problem just *might* be the pretty little sociopath rather than all of her victims.
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ShinRaKnight
08/04/17 2:19:01 AM
#47:


Zeus posted...
Why is that people accidentally acknowledge that it's a good analogy? Especially because without her goading him on, he wouldn't have killed himself.

And lol @ trying to compare random fucking internet guys he doesn't know with his GIRLFRIEND. Because those two groups are apparently exactly the same. After all, don't you give identical consideration to random strangers as you do the love of your life? Oh, what's that, you don't? Because they're not the same at all?

And finally, yes, make her be responsible for her own actions.


Please actually look into the case. He was planning on killing himself for weeks. He even tried to get her to kill herself with him. She spent a ton of time trying to stop him from doing it and either probably got fed up, or texted him sarcastically.

Trying to act like he was a normal kid before she texted him is a fairy tale.

The point I was making with the CoD thing is that people can say whatever they want, whether they are strangers, or people you know personally. At the end of the day, you are responsible for your own actions.

Take that idea and apply it to any other situation. If you robbed a bank because someone told you too, only you would go to jail. If you raped some drunk chick because your friends told you too, only you would go to jail, so on and so forth.
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ungubby
08/04/17 2:24:09 AM
#48:


ShinRaKnight posted...
She shouldn't have gotten anything.

People are so fucking sensitive in this day and age, goading him or not. He was responsible for his own actions.


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Zeus
08/04/17 2:39:16 AM
#49:


ShinRaKnight posted...

Please actually look into the case. He was planning on killing himself for weeks. He even tried to get her to kill herself with him. She spent a ton of time trying to stop him from doing it and either probably got fed up, or texted him sarcastically.


So you admit that you know he was in a mentally disturbed state? And what does this sadistic bitch do? Does she go to his parents? Does she go to the authorities? No, she goads him into killing himself! In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if she had egged a lot of this on from the get-go given her sick, sociopathic attempt to get somebody to kill themselves.

She's a monster, plain and simple.

ShinRaKnight posted...
Trying to act like he was a normal kid before she texted him is a fairy tale.

Zeus posted...
Because apparently a girlfriend goading a mentally ill kid into suicide is perfectly okay?


Apparently you don't read very well. That might also explain why you used your awful CoD example.

ShinRaKnight posted...
The point I was making with the CoD thing is that people can say whatever they want, whether they are strangers, or people you know personally. At the end of the day, you are responsible for your own actions.


And she's being held responsible for HER actions. She knew that he was knew that he was mentally ill and, rather than seek help, she decided to kill the kid for the "lulz." She knew he was in a fragile state and she knew EXACTLY how to exploit it.

ShinRaKnight posted...
Take that idea and apply it to any other situation. If you robbed a bank because someone told you too, only you would go to jail. If you raped some drunk chick because your friends told you too, only you would go to jail, so on and so forth.


I take it that you're also the kind of guy who defends conmen and hackers because the victims "gave" them their money? Otherwise, guys who cheer on assaults HAVE been arrested for doing so because it's fucking illegal. It's called "incitement" and inciting others to commit violence is frequently punished when the violent person is arrested.
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old_school227
08/04/17 2:57:52 AM
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Zeus posted...
ShinRaKnight posted...
She shouldn't have gotten anything.

People are so fucking sensitive in this day and age, goading him or not. He was responsible for his own actions.


By that logic, you shouldn't charge people who pay to have somebody killed. After all, the hitman is responsible for his own actions! Frankly, she knew what she was doing and she's responsible for her actions, therefore she's earned this. If anything, she should be kissing the ground and thanking the judge for his mercy.

If she kills her self in jail, is the judge responsible?
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