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Lolo_Guru
07/23/17 2:55:28 PM
#351:


So the elongated reaction (those are about his 4th/6th posts about it in the topic) is faked in your eyes to make people think he's town?

Find it a lot easier to believe (whether he's town or scum) that he's just genuinely dissatisfied with how Scare handled everything.

Don't see Scare/SBell as both scum as a result, at least.
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htaeD
07/23/17 3:01:28 PM
#352:


back now
good movie

anyway about sbell, I was just as confused by Scare's roleblocked comment, so I dont fault sbell for prologning the questioning to include that headscratcher
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masterplum
07/23/17 4:02:10 PM
#353:


Sbell has said weird stuff all game.

I am bamboozled as to his alignment
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Obellisk
07/23/17 5:27:50 PM
#354:


I was genuinely confused by scare and had yet been satisfied/ straightened out. I probably was also misreading through the prior explanations.

But it's all good in the hood now.
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Reg
07/23/17 5:28:49 PM
#355:


Votals as of post #354 (SBell)

[5] pezloco - (KBM), (Plum), KBM, (SBell), Phoenix, Death, Scare, Dowolf
[1] Death - (pezloco), pezloco
[0] Plum - (Scare), (Lolo), (Dowolf), (pezloco)
[0] Scare - (KBM), (pezloco)
[0] Sceptile - (Dowolf)

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day ends at 9:00:00 PM EDT tonight (About three hours and 30 minutes)
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Lolo_Guru
07/23/17 5:30:12 PM
#356:


Obellisk posted...
But it's all good in the hood now.


What's your confidence level on Scare being scum/town?
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Phoenix-Smasher
07/23/17 5:34:09 PM
#357:


I can kinda see that, I guess. I didn't really take confusion into account there.
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Obellisk
07/23/17 6:12:20 PM
#358:


Lolo_Guru posted...
Obellisk posted...
But it's all good in the hood now.


What's your confidence level on Scare being scum/town?


You see Lolo, this is what it's like when someone responds to a direct question.

Prior to the end of day 1 events I thought the scare chris exchange was Town on Town. Mind you what scare chimed in on with the chessboard was something scumbell would have been all over, but scare is not sbell and vice versa. Then oddity whom I did not have enough a good read on flips town, I doubt chris a bit but helps me feel out scare. Still leaning town.

Mind you, through all of this I've had a firm plum is town read based On My interactions with him. So scares gambit was confusing for me but I accepted it blindly. It being fake sorta bothers me because it dragged kbm out of hiding which really sucks and also it gave us literally no information. I lean town but reserve the right to make amendments based on how the night phase goes.

To be perfectly frank, scare did nothing for town with his fake scan play and it is hard to accept that good town scare would do that, of course he says he still believes plum to be scum in some sort so maybe he still thinks it was a beneficial play. I would disagree.
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Obellisk
07/23/17 6:13:49 PM
#359:


I repeat. Give me top town and top scum. If you'd be so kind to document a stance.
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VeryInsane
07/23/17 6:14:33 PM
#360:


I'm extremely iffy on Scare. Went into the Day hating him but his gambit doesn't make that much sense as scum unless you think he's blatantly trying to draw out power with his plays
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VengefulKaelee
07/23/17 6:23:55 PM
#361:


Obellisk posted...
So scares gambit was confusing for me but I accepted it blindly. It being fake sorta bothers me because it dragged kbm out of hiding which really sucks and also it gave us literally no information.


Yeah this really bothered me and took the wind out of my sails. Don't know what to say there.

Also, sorry I've kind of dropped off the map since the beginning of the day, weekends are usually crazy and this one was no exception. I'm about to take a nap, hopefully I'll be up before deadline, but if not, I think I have enough information to sleep with here.
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VengefulKaelee
07/23/17 6:26:40 PM
#362:


That said, the very real possibility of Pez actually being a miller is really bothering me right now, as is the fact that this is the second end of day in a row where really hasn't been a viable second option. It still kind of feels like scum just letting town do all the work here.
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VeryInsane
07/23/17 6:28:15 PM
#363:


I feel if Pez was actually a Miller he'd still be fighting though
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htaeD
07/23/17 6:31:09 PM
#364:


if Pez really was miller, he'd be talking more right now

...
alsoi he'd probably have claimed it day1
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Obellisk
07/23/17 6:38:03 PM
#365:


Yeah, not seeing Pez flip miller here or else he'd be fighting to prevent town from being so far in the hole after day 2.

I don't want to think of a day 3 where Pez flipped miller and we are down to 6 / 4.
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Lolo_Guru
07/23/17 7:20:18 PM
#366:


Here you go SBell (and the rest of the game).

---Strongly town---
Lolo: Nothing more trustworthy in a game of mafia than your own role PM.
KBM: Even though I like longshot conspiracy theories there ain't anything here to base one off of.
Death: Feels town to me; and is the player playing I've had the most experience with.
---Weakly town---
Dowolf: Have liked his arguments today for the most part. The one I didn't like was when he was saying a pez lynch would tell everyone nothing.
Plum: The long pauses for both Scare and Plum during that time reflect poorly on both, though of the two Plum seems more like town to me.
SBell: You're about as "neutral" as it comes, SBell. Stop being Swiss.
---inactive "pot calling kettle black" scumleans---
Phoenix: Feel slightly better about than red or VI, seems more genuine, but less... present, overall.
Red (Replaced Leo): Does he usually not vote? Not a fan, not seen much from him besides telling me off.
VeryInsane: Namedropped a lot d1 as people expecting better. Not seeing anything glaringly wrong here, just inactivity.
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Scare: Pretty much solely on today's actions. Believe he did this as a scum gambit (and has the balls to do that).
Sceptile: Hasn't redeemed himself. Major shift between him on day 1 and day 2. Day 1 hammed up the pissiness knowing it would make him seem town. It's completely gone from his attitude today, his first post in particular is incredibly passive, completely voteless, goes from wanting Scare to be lynched first to confirming it being a lie giving ~80% odds on town.
pezloco: Scum. End.
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Obellisk
07/23/17 7:32:32 PM
#367:


Don't you feel better knowing that in the event you are town and you die tonight your thoughts are on the table?
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Lolo_Guru
07/23/17 7:37:54 PM
#368:


Obellisk posted...
Don't you feel better knowing that in the event you are town and you die tonight your thoughts are on the table?


Not really, nobody ever seriously takes into account dead town's thoughts/arguments.
Might feel a bit relieved that I'm not the game-ending mislynch, at least.
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Sceptilesolar
07/23/17 7:49:29 PM
#369:


Lolo_Guru posted...
Sceptile: Hasn't redeemed himself. Major shift between him on day 1 and day 2. Day 1 hammed up the pissiness knowing it would make him seem town. It's completely gone from his attitude today, his first post in particular is incredibly passive, completely voteless, goes from wanting Scare to be lynched first to confirming it being a lie giving ~80% odds on town.


Actually I just chilled out because people seemed to think I was being too aggressive. What a ridiculous way to spin things.

Listing four suspects is hardly passive. If it was, then your own post right here is equally bad.
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Obellisk
07/23/17 7:53:49 PM
#370:


Sceptilesolar posted...
Lolo_Guru posted...
Sceptile: Hasn't redeemed himself. Major shift between him on day 1 and day 2. Day 1 hammed up the pissiness knowing it would make him seem town. It's completely gone from his attitude today, his first post in particular is incredibly passive, completely voteless, goes from wanting Scare to be lynched first to confirming it being a lie giving ~80% odds on town.


Actually I just chilled out because people seemed to think I was being too aggressive. What a ridiculous way to spin things.

Listing four suspects is hardly passive. If it was, then your own post right here is equally bad.


Changing your game play mid game to appease others isn't necessarily the best way to prove alignment one way or the other.
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Obellisk
07/23/17 7:54:49 PM
#371:


Lolo_Guru posted...
Obellisk posted...
Don't you feel better knowing that in the event you are town and you die tonight your thoughts are on the table?


Not really, nobody ever seriously takes into account dead town's thoughts/arguments.
Might feel a bit relieved that I'm not the game-ending mislynch, at least.


I take dead town thoughts into account, not that being town makes you right, but it gives us live guys something to consider. Except chris, I don't take anything he had to say into consideration since he was so wrong.
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Sceptilesolar
07/23/17 7:56:32 PM
#372:


Obellisk posted...
Sceptilesolar posted...
Lolo_Guru posted...
Sceptile: Hasn't redeemed himself. Major shift between him on day 1 and day 2. Day 1 hammed up the pissiness knowing it would make him seem town. It's completely gone from his attitude today, his first post in particular is incredibly passive, completely voteless, goes from wanting Scare to be lynched first to confirming it being a lie giving ~80% odds on town.


Actually I just chilled out because people seemed to think I was being too aggressive. What a ridiculous way to spin things.

Listing four suspects is hardly passive. If it was, then your own post right here is equally bad.


Changing your game play mid game to appease others isn't necessarily the best way to prove alignment one way or the other.


That's not why I did it though...
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Obellisk
07/23/17 7:57:28 PM
#373:


Sceptilesolar posted...
Obellisk posted...
Sceptilesolar posted...
Lolo_Guru posted...
Sceptile: Hasn't redeemed himself. Major shift between him on day 1 and day 2. Day 1 hammed up the pissiness knowing it would make him seem town. It's completely gone from his attitude today, his first post in particular is incredibly passive, completely voteless, goes from wanting Scare to be lynched first to confirming it being a lie giving ~80% odds on town.


Actually I just chilled out because people seemed to think I was being too aggressive. What a ridiculous way to spin things.

Listing four suspects is hardly passive. If it was, then your own post right here is equally bad.


Changing your game play mid game to appease others isn't necessarily the best way to prove alignment one way or the other.


That's not why I did it though...


Oh right I'm just gunna believe that. *eye roll*
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Lolo_Guru
07/23/17 8:01:44 PM
#374:


Obellisk posted...
Lolo_Guru posted...
Obellisk posted...
Don't you feel better knowing that in the event you are town and you die tonight your thoughts are on the table?


Not really, nobody ever seriously takes into account dead town's thoughts/arguments.
Might feel a bit relieved that I'm not the game-ending mislynch, at least.


I take dead town thoughts into account, not that being town makes you right, but it gives us live guys something to consider. Except chris, I don't take anything he had to say into consideration since he was so wrong.

Obellisk posted...
DoomTheGyarados posted...
Not a single one for you, Sbell. That boy ain't flipping town.



While i appreciate your confidence...

For arguments sake, Oddity flips Town. You get killed overnight. You are now silent for the rest of the game.

You already said you like everyone that hopped onto Oddity, based on your confidence of his scumdum. So if he does flip Town, who is the least likely to win your vote of confidence of that group of people moving forward?



DoomTheGyarados posted...
Fine, mental exercise, I get it.

Pez because his logic on Oddity, if he is town, is basically 'oh boy look at me, I called oddity town I told you guys'


So, wait, you don't take Chris's opinion into account? Really?
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Sceptilesolar
07/23/17 8:03:36 PM
#375:


Obellisk posted...
Sceptilesolar posted...
Obellisk posted...
Sceptilesolar posted...
Lolo_Guru posted...
Sceptile: Hasn't redeemed himself. Major shift between him on day 1 and day 2. Day 1 hammed up the pissiness knowing it would make him seem town. It's completely gone from his attitude today, his first post in particular is incredibly passive, completely voteless, goes from wanting Scare to be lynched first to confirming it being a lie giving ~80% odds on town.


Actually I just chilled out because people seemed to think I was being too aggressive. What a ridiculous way to spin things.

Listing four suspects is hardly passive. If it was, then your own post right here is equally bad.


Changing your game play mid game to appease others isn't necessarily the best way to prove alignment one way or the other.


That's not why I did it though...


Oh right I'm just gunna believe that. *eye roll*


You can believe what you like, as long as you're aware that one option is completely divorced from reality and common sense and the other is not.
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Reg
07/23/17 8:19:51 PM
#376:


Votals as of post #375 (Sceptile)

[5] pezloco - (KBM), (Plum), KBM, (SBell), Phoenix, Death, Scare, Dowolf
[1] Death - (pezloco), pezloco
[0] Plum - (Scare), (Lolo), (Dowolf), (pezloco)
[0] Scare - (KBM), (pezloco)
[0] Sceptile - (Dowolf)

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day ends at 9:00:00 PM EDT tonight (About 40 minutes)
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Lolo_Guru
07/23/17 8:23:44 PM
#377:


Sceptilesolar posted...
Lolo_Guru posted...
Sceptile: Hasn't redeemed himself. Major shift between him on day 1 and day 2. Day 1 hammed up the pissiness knowing it would make him seem town. It's completely gone from his attitude today, his first post in particular is incredibly passive, completely voteless, goes from wanting Scare to be lynched first to confirming it being a lie giving ~80% odds on town.


Actually I just chilled out because people seemed to think I was being too aggressive. What a ridiculous way to spin things.

Listing four suspects is hardly passive. If it was, then your own post right here is equally bad.

Which of those suspects did you actually push at all today? Any yokel can list.

Sceptilesolar posted...
Okay. Here are some people I think look more badly after this.

SBell: Waffled yesterday and did not take strong stances. This seems like a likely attitude for someone who knew the lynch was town on town.
VI: Extremely passive, did not post nearly at all. Seems uncharacteristic.
Scare: Suspected by Chris for much of D1. Now Chris is dead.
Dowolf: Fighting Oddity lynch is maybe plus, but his language seemed to indicate to me he was planning to set me up after my D1 target Oddity was mislynched.

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masterplum
07/23/17 8:25:48 PM
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Obellisk
07/23/17 8:31:22 PM
#379:


Hey plum.

If it's all the same to all of you, I'm going to hammer.
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Sceptilesolar
07/23/17 8:31:25 PM
#380:


Lolo_Guru posted...
Sceptilesolar posted...
Lolo_Guru posted...
Sceptile: Hasn't redeemed himself. Major shift between him on day 1 and day 2. Day 1 hammed up the pissiness knowing it would make him seem town. It's completely gone from his attitude today, his first post in particular is incredibly passive, completely voteless, goes from wanting Scare to be lynched first to confirming it being a lie giving ~80% odds on town.


Actually I just chilled out because people seemed to think I was being too aggressive. What a ridiculous way to spin things.

Listing four suspects is hardly passive. If it was, then your own post right here is equally bad.

Which of those suspects did you actually push at all today? Any yokel can list.

Sceptilesolar posted...
Okay. Here are some people I think look more badly after this.

SBell: Waffled yesterday and did not take strong stances. This seems like a likely attitude for someone who knew the lynch was town on town.
VI: Extremely passive, did not post nearly at all. Seems uncharacteristic.
Scare: Suspected by Chris for much of D1. Now Chris is dead.
Dowolf: Fighting Oddity lynch is maybe plus, but his language seemed to indicate to me he was planning to set me up after my D1 target Oddity was mislynched.


Dowolf.
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masterplum
07/23/17 8:35:00 PM
#381:


Obellisk posted...
Hey plum.

If it's all the same to all of you, I'm going to hammer.


Why
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Lolo_Guru
07/23/17 8:35:24 PM
#382:


Obellisk posted...
Hey plum.

If it's all the same to all of you, I'm going to hammer.

Can't stop you.
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Obellisk
07/23/17 8:36:05 PM
#383:


Didn't realize scept and Lolo were being active honestly. Just wanted to end it before GoT.
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pezloco
07/23/17 8:37:22 PM
#384:


Lolo_Guru posted...
Obellisk posted...
Hey plum.

If it's all the same to all of you, I'm going to hammer.

Can't stop you.


Stop...hammer time
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pezloco
07/23/17 8:37:42 PM
#385:


pezloco posted...
Lolo_Guru posted...
Obellisk posted...
Hey plum.

If it's all the same to all of you, I'm going to hammer.

Can't stop you.


Stop...hammer time


You guys got the lyrics in the wrong order imo
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Lolo_Guru
07/23/17 8:39:34 PM
#386:


It's *can't stop this*

but yeah, I'd prefer no hammer
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Obellisk
07/23/17 8:40:52 PM
#387:


Well now that Pez has shown...
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pezloco
07/23/17 8:41:54 PM
#388:


Lolo_Guru posted...
It's *can't stop this*

but yeah, I'd prefer no hammer


No the song is can't touch this and the famous lyric and memeis stop hammer time
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Lolo_Guru
07/23/17 8:49:10 PM
#389:


Sceptilesolar posted...
Dowolf.

Ok, I can see that you at least mentioned him a few times today.

Probably not any more time for arguments.
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dowolf
07/23/17 8:53:13 PM
#390:


...You pushed me?

Really?

You sure? I didn't even feel a gentle breeze.
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red13n
07/23/17 8:53:27 PM
#391:


Lolo_Guru posted...
Red (Replaced Leo): Does he usually not vote? Not a fan, not seen much from him besides telling me off.

My voting chance yesterday got cut out by a lack of internet.

Today there just wasn't a point unless I wanted to hammer.
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red13n
07/23/17 8:58:55 PM
#392:


Also, a couple thoughts I've kind of had to sit on the day that I'm going to get out in a bit of a short form because deadline and such regarding scare and plum.

I don't know what the fuck was up with Scare's fakeclaim. We've seen scum pulling back claims and getting away with it recently. The fact that he wasn't really ready to go after plum when he did it and it feels like he may have been throwing us a full meta. Or he may have been town off his rocker. Either way, my trust in Scare is totally poisoned right now.

On plum, the fact that we had scum in pez being attacked and claimed miller but plum felt no pressure himself definitely works in his favor(Pez opened up and claimed shit, while plum seemed unphase). If two scum were hung up there, you'd expect a more coordinated plan between the two(Maybe even try a miller counterclaim or something strange to try to survive). Nothing guaranteed here, but thats what is sitting in my head right now.
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red13n
07/23/17 8:59:59 PM
#393:


also those werent' nearly as short as I intended but i watched the clock.

##vote: pez

for fun.
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Lolo_Guru
07/23/17 9:00:03 PM
#394:


whats a full meta
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Reg
07/23/17 9:00:07 PM
#395:


Stop
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07/23/17 9:02:20 PM
#396:


[7] pezloco - (KBM), (Plum), KBM, (SBell), Phoenix, Death, Scare, Dowolf, Plum, Red
[1] Death - (pezloco), pezloco
[0] Plum - (Scare), (Lolo), (Dowolf), (pezloco)
[0] Scare - (KBM), (pezloco)
[0] Sceptile - (Dowolf)

Pezloco has been lynched. He was Kirino Toshiaki, MAFIA Assassin

Alive (11):
Death
Dowolf
KBM
Lolo
Phoenix
Plum
Red
SBell
Scare
Sceptile
VeryInsane

Dead (4):
[LD1] Oddity - Enomoto Takeaki, TOWN Vanilla
[KN1] Tombolo - Katsu Kaishu, TOWN Jailkeeper
[KN1] Chris - Matsudaira Sadaaki, TOWN Vanilla
[LD2] pezloco - Kirino Toshiaki, MAFIA Assassin

Night actions to me before 9 PM EDT tomorrow. Before 8 PM would be preferred so that we can get day up as close to 9 as possible
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Reg
07/23/17 10:29:52 PM
#397:


greengravy294 replaces Lolo

Alive (11):
Death
Dowolf
Gravy (Replaced Lolo)
KBM
Phoenix
Plum
Red
SBell
Scare
Sceptile
VeryInsane

IT IS STILL NIGHT, DO NOT POST, ETC. The deadline is not changing
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Reg
07/24/17 9:00:00 PM
#398:


Legends speak of four peerless assassins who were active in the Bakumatsu period, but with two of them dying before the war and a third in prison, only one of them was actually active during the conflict. Kirino Toshiaki was now a senior commander for the Satsuma domain, and led them to battle against the pro-shogunate forces at the Tokugawa stronghold of Kofu. Despite heavily out-numbering them, the Satsuma-Choshu army was defeated and forced to retreat temporarily. Senior Commander Kirino fell in battle.

Pezloco has been lynched! He was Kirino Toshiaki, MAFIA Assassin.

However, it was not a complete victory. The Shinsengumi, already ravaged from the opening conflicts, lost another key member. Known as "the demon Vice-Commander", Hijikata Toshizo was known for enforcing the strict codes of conduct of the Shinsengumi, his patriotism, and his undying loyalty to the shogun. The morale gained from victory was almost completely negated by news of his death

KBM has died! She was Hijikata Toshizo, TOWN Cop.

There is no time to mourn the death of Hijikata, as the Imperial Army has regrouped are preparing to relaunch their assault. Reinforcements are arriving for the Imperial side, while the Shogunate have few resources to call upon. The numbers grow more unfavorable, and yet the loyalists will fight with all their might to stop the advance and protect Edo. Despite being crushed by the loss of his long time friend, Kondo Isami rallied the troops and urged them to fight, not just for the shogun, but for everyone who had died defending the country.

Alive (10):
Death
Dowolf
Gravy (Replaced Lolo)
Phoenix
Plum
Red
SBell
Scare
Sceptile
VeryInsane

Dead (5):
[LD1] Oddity - Enomoto Takeaki, TOWN Vanilla
[KN1] Tombolo - Katsu Kaishu, TOWN Jailkeeper
[KN1] Chris - Matsudaira Sadaaki, TOWN Vanilla
[LD2] pezloco - Kirino Toshiaki, MAFIA Assassin
[KN2] KBM - Hijikata Toshizo, TOWN Cop

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day ends at 9:00:00 PM EDT on Wednesday (48 hours from now)

The archive for this game is located at lolreg.altervista.org/Japan/
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dowolf
07/24/17 9:14:18 PM
#399:


okay so Plum looks good now, Scare I'm willing to trust for the moment, where was I before all this madness began...

Oh right.

##Vote: Sceptile

also hi gravy!
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Obellisk
07/24/17 9:15:49 PM
#400:


dowolf posted...
okay so Plum looks good now, Scare I'm willing to trust for the moment, where was I before all this madness began...

Oh right.

##Vote: Sceptile

also hi gravy!


Why?

Why?

Why?

And hi gravy. Please tell me how you are going to talk yourself out of getting lynched today.
##vote:gravy
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