Board 8 > ~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 4 - Revere the Emperor, Expel the Foreigners

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Dowolf, all those why's were directed at the 3 names you brought up.
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My power went out, battery's pretty limited so I'm waiting for it to come back on to begin some hardcore analysis
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I don't know what's going on, but for now I think it would be a good idea to review pez for tidbits. I know he defended dowolf fairly obviously at the start of day 2 when I brought suspicion against him. Therefore I expect to continue to bring suspicion against dowolf. But probably should be some other relevant elements.
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pezfacts:

Scare and Plum both voted Pez quite early on D1 following Chris. Not really a big signal since it was unlikely to stick, but the lack of hesitation voting a potential scumbuddy looks good for them. Pez also fired back on Plum pretty fast. Whereas Scare didn't really do anything after the initial vote. So not really much of a plus for Scare, but definitely one for Plum. Also, as the game progresses, plum remains suspicious of pez, while Scare eventually concludes he is town.

Dowolf's literal first post in the game defends pez. Super.
[quote]Do not like Plum immediately going after Pez for a "slip." It feels too much like low-hanging fruit.[/quote]

SBell also votes pez early, goes mostly unremarked though. But later on more fire. I thought at first it seemed not genuine because pez didn't react at all, but SBell follows up on the vote.

Dowolf says something negative about pez:
[quote]This appeal to authority -- followed by a similar statement that has no authority behind it -- does not sit easy with me.[/quote]
Ultimately goes nowhere though.

Death defends pez early on:
[quote]I do like his responses afterwards at least, he comes across like he doesnt care how his posts look

also it makes me nostalgic, even though I legitemately forgot everything about pez[/quote]

Later, Phoenix calls pez an easy lynch target. I don't like that wording very much.
[quote]Also feel like I saw it mentioned before but Pez feels like an easy lynch target between his 3rd party crap and miscellaneous alignment 'slips'.[/quote]

Pez tries to prod Lolo into playing a few times. Irritated at a lazy/lurking scumbuddy?

Pez also attacks death for being lazy. Ends up voting him. Death himself says Pez is still town.

In the interest of fairness, I say on a few occasions I think Pez is town. I hold that opinion through the entirety of D1, including putting him on a list of the most town players.

At the start of day 2, Pez defends dowolf and SBell when I put them on my scum list:
[quote]I think you have two inaccuracies. 1 SBell did take a strong stance against me. 2 Dowolf willing to lynch you makes sense. He didn't like your vote on Oddity from the start and voted you for it. So switching a lunch train to you at end of day makes sense. [/quote]
He persists in defending dowolf against me for a few more posts also.

Shortly afterward KBM announces her scan so at that point his comments are tainted by the knowledge that he's a walking corpse. Not sure there's anything useful afterward.

The end result of this is that I still think dowolf is scum. Plum seems like clear town. Not sure what to think about the death interactions as pez's attempt to lynch death goes absolutely nowhere. SBell looks better to me with the early attack on Pez. Lolo and Phoenix look marginally worse.

That is about all I can see.

##Vote: Dowolf

I think we were going to end up here regardless, so...
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I fail at gamefaqs tags, not going to edit though
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I hate when people use the wrong code, because usually the boards we use for scumboards have those type of brackets
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Here's what I don't like about a Dowolf lynch

Is Dowolf really his crazy as scum? Was this really his plan?

But then again, that is an insane about face by him
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ScareChan posted...

I hate when people use the wrong code, because usually the boards we use for scumboards have those type of brackets

That is true. At the same time, so does just about every single message board that isn't gamefaqs.

What I'm saying is that gamefaqs is bad and should feel bad.
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But before we get into that, you know who has been around not doing anything all game?

##vote:Phoenix

What's up bro
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hi everyone didnt read the game, what have I missed?
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Last time I was in a mafia game and someone posted with the wrong tags, it was cause they were used to posting on their scum board. They were lynched. They were scum...
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I just realized, going " What's up bro" to a habitually inactive right before going to bed is probably not the most productive,

Anyways, when you show up give us something, or are you just having fun screwing everyone in this game?
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greengravy294 posted...

hi everyone didnt read the game, what have I missed?

You didn't even read your scum board? That's not like you.
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im too old for babysitting now im just a washed up solitaire player
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The one thing that really makes me want to lynch sceptile is he has thought I am Town this game

He never thinks I'm town
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Do we not have protection?

Sceptilesolar posted...

pezfacts:

Scare and Plum both voted Pez quite early on D1 following Chris. Not really a big signal since it was unlikely to stick, but the lack of hesitation voting a potential scumbuddy looks good for them. Pez also fired back on Plum pretty fast. Whereas Scare didn't really do anything after the initial vote. So not really much of a plus for Scare, but definitely one for Plum. Also, as the game progresses, plum remains suspicious of pez, while Scare eventually concludes he is town.

Dowolf's literal first post in the game defends pez. Super.
[quote]Do not like Plum immediately going after Pez for a "slip." It feels too much like low-hanging fruit.[/quote]

SBell also votes pez early, goes mostly unremarked though. But later on more fire. I thought at first it seemed not genuine because pez didn't react at all, but SBell follows up on the vote.

Dowolf says something negative about pez:
[quote]This appeal to authority -- followed by a similar statement that has no authority behind it -- does not sit easy with me.[/quote]
Ultimately goes nowhere though.

Death defends pez early on:
[quote]I do like his responses afterwards at least, he comes across like he doesnt care how his posts look

also it makes me nostalgic, even though I legitemately forgot everything about pez[/quote]

Later, Phoenix calls pez an easy lynch target. I don't like that wording very much.
[quote]Also feel like I saw it mentioned before but Pez feels like an easy lynch target between his 3rd party crap and miscellaneous alignment 'slips'.[/quote]

Pez tries to prod Lolo into playing a few times. Irritated at a lazy/lurking scumbuddy?

Pez also attacks death for being lazy. Ends up voting him. Death himself says Pez is still town.

In the interest of fairness, I say on a few occasions I think Pez is town. I hold that opinion through the entirety of D1, including putting him on a list of the most town players.

At the start of day 2, Pez defends dowolf and SBell when I put them on my scum list:
[quote]I think you have two inaccuracies. 1 SBell did take a strong stance against me. 2 Dowolf willing to lynch you makes sense. He didn't like your vote on Oddity from the start and voted you for it. So switching a lunch train to you at end of day makes sense. [/quote]
He persists in defending dowolf against me for a few more posts also.

Shortly afterward KBM announces her scan so at that point his comments are tainted by the knowledge that he's a walking corpse. Not sure there's anything useful afterward.

The end result of this is that I still think dowolf is scum. Plum seems like clear town. Not sure what to think about the death interactions as pez's attempt to lynch death goes absolutely nowhere. SBell looks better to me with the early attack on Pez. Lolo and Phoenix look marginally worse.

That is about all I can see.

##Vote: Dowolf

I think we were going to end up here regardless, so...

My assertion of pez looking like an easy lynch target came at a time when pez looked like town that made questionable statements. Obviously that didn't turn out to be the case.
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masterplum posted...

The one thing that really makes me want to lynch sceptile is he has thought I am Town this game

He never thinks I'm town

I don't remember any trend like that. There are some players I know I used to be bad at reading, like Jdizzy, who I would always call scum. But I thought I could read you.
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masterplum posted...

But before we get into that, you know who has been around not doing anything all game?

##vote:Phoenix

What's up bro

Actually having a good time. Probably gonna start trying harder than I have been tonight, because admittedly, I've been pretty casual thus far. Probably take some N O T E S. Make some lattices. Do math etc. etc.
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Phoenix-Smasher posted...

masterplum posted...

But before we get into that, you know who has been around not doing anything all game?

##vote:Phoenix

What's up bro

Actually having a good time. Probably gonna start trying harder than I have been tonight, because admittedly, I've been pretty casual thus far. Probably take some N O T E S. Make some lattices. Do math etc. etc.

Realize that the last person who said that immediately replaced out at their first opportunity and generally looks awful. Try not to be a Lolo.
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Also gravy pretty much all Lolo did was show up out of nowhere every now and then

Not really looking great.
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Sceptilesolar posted...

Phoenix-Smasher posted...

masterplum posted...

But before we get into that, you know who has been around not doing anything all game?

##vote:Phoenix

What's up bro

Actually having a good time. Probably gonna start trying harder than I have been tonight, because admittedly, I've been pretty casual thus far. Probably take some N O T E S. Make some lattices. Do math etc. etc.

Realize that the last person who said that immediately replaced out at their first opportunity and generally looks awful. Try not to be a Lolo.

Guess it's a good thing that I'm not a Lolo. I'm a youthful soul who's had more caffeine than is probably necessary.
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Yeah gravy is unfortunately a dead man walking. You'll all join me today. I called Pez on day one and got pushed to the side.

This is how this works. I tell you who scum is. We lynch them.
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Phoenix who do you think is scum

Actually, give me a timeline of who you thought was scum all game
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That was my chris impression.
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masterplum posted...

Phoenix who do you think is scum

Actually, give me a timeline of who you thought was scum all game

Day 1: Partway through I felt Oddity was scum. Sometime after that I got bad feelings about SBell but they don't really stay for long.
Day 2: I just rode through this day. Pez was dead to rights in my mind via KBM's claim.
However, after that....I can't quite explain what spurned it, but over this last night I had a gut instinct that Sceptile might scum. Between then and now though, my worries have been assuaged. That post helped a lot tbh
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Remember when I told Pez that nor knowing him made him easier to read and he was like no you're wrong that doesn't make me easier to read, it makes me harder to read.

Who was telling Pez he was wrong for challenging my approach to him? That guy is town.
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Also, does anyone have the archive link handy? Would save me time looking through 50+ pages
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Obellisk posted...

Remember when I told Pez that nor knowing him made him easier to read and he was like no you're wrong that doesn't make me easier to read, it makes me harder to read.

Who was telling Pez he was wrong for challenging my approach to him? That guy is town.

I'm not sure what part you're referring to. That doesn't sound very conclusive though?
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Sceptilesolar posted...

Obellisk posted...

Remember when I told Pez that nor knowing him made him easier to read and he was like no you're wrong that doesn't make me easier to read, it makes me harder to read.

Who was telling Pez he was wrong for challenging my approach to him? That guy is town.

I'm not sure what part you're referring to. That doesn't sound very conclusive though?

Damn it, it was kbm. I just read back.
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Phoenix-Smasher posted...

Also, does anyone have the archive link handy? Would save me time looking through 50+ pages

Posted at start of day. Page 8
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masterplum posted...

A detective scan of mafia godfather/Mafia Assassin/my actual role for example.

I've been kind of freaking out about this post by plum since shortly after the flip btw(it wasn't the only time plum brought up assassin either). Was a bi5 surprised at the flip.

Mainly having a little bit of a freakout because my initial read prior to the flip was that plum was probably town. Have some conflicting thoughts circling in my head.

Also Scare and Lolo aka gravy need to convince me to trust them because i really dont right now.

Fun note right away: At the start of Day 1, Chris asks Tom and Scare to name 4 names off the top of their heads that aren't themselves or Chris. They all name Pez and elect him as their joke vote.
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Leafeon13N posted...

masterplum posted...

A detective scan of mafia godfather/Mafia Assassin/my actual role for example.

I've been kind of freaking out about this post by plum since shortly after the flip btw(it wasn't the only time plum brought up assassin either). Was a bi5 surprised at the flip.

Mainly having a little bit of a freakout because my initial read prior to the flip was that plum was probably town. Have some conflicting thoughts circling in my head.

Also Scare and Lolo aka gravy need to convince me to trust them because i really dont right now.

I'm confused. Is something odd about plum mentioning Assassin? I would think it was highly likely one existed after Chris's death N1.
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Phoenix-Smasher posted...

Fun note right away: At the start of Day 1, Chris asks Tom and Scare to name 4 names off the top of their heads that aren't themselves or Chris. They all name Pez and elect him as their joke vote.

I fail to see the fun. Two of those people flipped town. If all 3 are town then that's sorta fun. Are you slipping?
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Sceptilesolar posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

masterplum posted...

A detective scan of mafia godfather/Mafia Assassin/my actual role for example.

I've been kind of freaking out about this post by plum since shortly after the flip btw(it wasn't the only time plum brought up assassin either). Was a bi5 surprised at the flip.

Mainly having a little bit of a freakout because my initial read prior to the flip was that plum was probably town. Have some conflicting thoughts circling in my head.

Also Scare and Lolo aka gravy need to convince me to trust them because i really dont right now.

I'm confused. Is something odd about plum mentioning Assassin? I would think it was highly likely one existed after Chris's death N1.

Could have been worded vigilante or a strongman or something. Maybe its last game fear but it is definitely on the nose. Again, it might just be my more irrational side talking here.

Strongman isn't an extra kill though, assassin is.
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Obellisk posted...

Phoenix-Smasher posted...

Fun note right away: At the start of Day 1, Chris asks Tom and Scare to name 4 names off the top of their heads that aren't themselves or Chris. They all name Pez and elect him as their joke vote.

I fail to see the fun. Two of those people flipped town. If all 3 are town then that's sorta fun. Are you slipping?

What's not fun about a joke thing happening to hit scum? Yeah two of those three are dead now but I also town read Scare at the moment.
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Either way, the play pattern where Chris takes an assassin shot N1 in games where he plays and is Town is so incredibly common. It's almost bizarre to me how consistent it is. It's hard to escape thinking about it.
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Sceptilesolar posted...

Either way, the play pattern where Chris takes an assassin shot N1 in games where he plays and is Town is so incredibly common. It's almost bizarre to me how consistent it is. It's hard to escape thinking about it.

##unvote
##vote: scept

Chris is dead, who said he took the assassin shot?
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Yay power's back woohoo

Kinda find it odd that Phoenix and Lolo/Gravy get so much attention for not doing much, and yet I don't really.
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VeryInsane posted...

Yay power's back woohoo

Kinda find it odd that Phoenix and Lolo/Gravy get so much attention for not doing much, and yet I don't really.

Not really sure why literally no one will talk about you.

You ate not on my happy list vi.
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However, we just caught Sceptile. So you get a reprieve.
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Leafeon13N posted...

masterplum posted...

A detective scan of mafia godfather/Mafia Assassin/my actual role for example.

I've been kind of freaking out about this post by plum since shortly after the flip btw(it wasn't the only time plum brought up assassin either). Was a bi5 surprised at the flip.

Mainly having a little bit of a freakout because my initial read prior to the flip was that plum was probably town. Have some conflicting thoughts circling in my head.

Also Scare and Lolo aka gravy need to convince me to trust them because i really dont right now.

or you can just pick one!

##Vote: Gravy
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Scare, scept just told us that chris was targeted by the scum assassin. Why are you voting gravy.
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I mean I assumed the same thing
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You aren't going to save sceptile today scare.

He just imploded. Also s not returned notice his fuck up.
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Not returned since his fuck up*
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You showed up to defend him though...

Two people died night 1.
Assassin flipped.

Obviously 2 kills were used.

There is no reason to believe that Chris ate the assassin shot and frankly it doesn't fucking matter at all. Unless it's knowledge you have and you were thinking about how inconsequential it was and spoke about it.

Sceptile is scum.
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SBell, how many games have you played where Chris got assassinated night one?
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Why?

Why?

Why?

Plum came out of the gate swinging at Pez, and if he's scum, he's either Godfather or has balls of steel. Probably both.

Scare is gut.

Sceptile I've had a scum read since d1. Plus, his description of my position on Pez is really disingenuous -- he was in my bad books for most of the day, except for my first post. Was my first post even remotely serious? Probably not. Too lazy to look up.

also man if Pez was my scumbuddy and he came in trying to white knight me I would tear him to pieces on the scumboard I tell you what. Also: did we know if he was scanned at that point? Still too lazy to check myself.

Phoenix posted...

Do we not have protection?

okay Phoenix is town good to know.

SBell I want to kill Scept too but even so I think it's safe to assume Chris was assassinated.
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