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The Supreme Court ruled on Monday that evidence found by police officers after illegal stops may be used in court if the officers conducted their searches after learning that the defendants had outstanding arrest warrants.

Justice Clarence Thomas, writing for the majority in the 5-to-3 decision, said such searches do not violate the Fourth Amendment when the warrant is valid and unconnected to the conduct that prompted the stop.

Justice Thomas’s opinion drew a fiery dissent from Justice Sonia Sotomayor, who said that “it is no secret that people of color are disproportionate victims of this type of scrutiny.”

“This case tells everyone, white and black, guilty and innocent, that an officer can verify your legal status at any time,” she wrote. “It says that your body is subject to invasion while courts excuse the violation of your rights. It implies that you are not a citizen of a democracy but the subject of a carceral state, just waiting to be cataloged.”
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The case, Utah v. Strieff, No. 14-1373, arose from police surveillance of a house in South Salt Lake based on an anonymous tip of “narcotics activity” there. A police officer, Douglas Fackrell, stopped Edward Strieff after he had left the house based on what the state later conceded were insufficient grounds, making the stop unlawful.

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But the people supporting will not be the one targeted by illegal stops they will not care.
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This is frightening. They can pull over people for no reason, run them and if there is a warrant search them.

Major repeal of civil rights.
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Cops are only getting worse. Blue lives matter needs to be classified as a hate group.
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>"It implies that you are not a citizen of a democracy"

The US isn't a democracy, its a representative republic.


The funny thing about this story, is that not a single law abiding citizen will have any problems regarding this ruling.

Is it that hard to follow the law? Christ
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GAMER_X posted...

>"It implies that you are not a citizen of a democracy"

The US isn't a democracy, its a representative republic.


The funny thing about this story, is that not a single law abiding citizen will have any problems regarding this ruling.

Is it that hard to follow the law? Christ

And cops should have to obey laws too. We shouldn't allow illegally obtained evidence into court.
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So if you're a criminal and the cops stop you, they can find out you are a criminal then you get in trouble?

I... don't see the problem
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GAMER_X posted...

>"It implies that you are not a citizen of a democracy"

The US isn't a democracy, its a representative republic.


The funny thing about this story, is that not a single law abiding citizen will have any problems regarding this ruling.

Is it that hard to follow the law? Christ

I dunno, let's ask our resident law expert. @DawkinsNumber4, your thoughts?
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TheFireRises posted...

So if you're a criminal and the cops stop you, they can find out you are a criminal then you get in trouble?

I... don't see the problem

You don't see a problem with having your rights violated?
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KiwiTerraRizing posted...

You don't see a problem with having your rights violated?

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/21/us/supreme-court-says-police-may-use-evidence-found-after-illegal-stops.html

Yup, see nothing wrong with it.
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Well this is dumb. And I just have to laugh at everyone who is ok with this. You might be ok with them violating your rights here because "this doesn't affect me I'm not a criminal!"...keep letting shit like this happen and one day they'll do something that does affect you. You know they're going to abuse this. And down the road when one of your rights that does affect you is played with like this they'll abuse that too.

who posted?
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Anything that puts criminal scum behind bars is okay with me
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See, the funniest part is that this already exists.
But people seem to think if something is "unlawful" then it means that reality gets to be ignored.

Oh well.
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Who posted #13?

TheVipaGTS posted...

Well this is dumb. And I just have to laugh at everyone who is ok with this. You might be ok with them violating your rights here because "this doesn't affect me I'm not a criminal!"...keep letting shit like this happen and one day they'll do something that does affect you. You know they're going to abuse this. And down the road when one of your rights that does affect you is played with like this they'll abuse that too.

do you feel the same away about the government spying on people electronically?

TheVipaGTS posted...

Well this is dumb. And I just have to laugh at everyone who is ok with this. You might be ok with them violating your rights here because "this doesn't affect me I'm not a criminal!"...keep letting shit like this happen and one day they'll do something that does affect you. You know they're going to abuse this. And down the road when one of your rights that does affect you is played with like this they'll abuse that too.

People like that are a lost cause. When there is a court ruling that cops can search your car on demand they'll laud it, "good! I got nothing illegal in my car! Search away and catch them criminal scum!"
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Oh lord, proudclown and one of the local racists are posting.

TC< your topic is fucked, sorry. Make a new one is my suggestion, without the extreme racist posters.
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Clad posted...

TheVipaGTS posted...

Well this is dumb. And I just have to laugh at everyone who is ok with this. You might be ok with them violating your rights here because "this doesn't affect me I'm not a criminal!"...keep letting shit like this happen and one day they'll do something that does affect you. You know they're going to abuse this. And down the road when one of your rights that does affect you is played with like this they'll abuse that too.

do you feel the same away about the government spying on people electronically?

Yea I'm not for that at all. I feel like if they had a valid reason like public safety and could obtain the proper warrants it's understandable. But they can do it to anyone right now. That's scary. I'm not doing anything wrong online for example so it won't affect me but that doesn't mean I'm ok with it.

To be honest cops can legitimately pull you over for just about anything. There are hundreds of completely arbitrary things that are against the law most people don't even know about.
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Gotta fill those prison cell quota's somehow.
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tremain07 posted...

Gotta fill those prison cell quota's somehow.

after learning that the defendants had outstanding arrest warrants.

They're overdue for prison as it is in this case.
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Can someone think about these poor criminals?
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DirkDiggles posted...

Can someone think about these poor criminals?

So if one day you get illegally searched or stopped you'd be ok with it? Just a "minor inconvenience" right?

TheVipaGTS posted...

DirkDiggles posted...

Can someone think about these poor criminals?

So if one day you get illegally searched or stopped you'd be ok with it? Just a "minor inconvenience" right?

Only if they plant evidence on me. Hey, how'd that brick of weed get in my car?
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GAMER_X posted...

Is it that hard to follow the law? Christ

He said to a forum full of people who have pirated games and streamed shit illegally.
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Misleading topic title is misleading.

Fair next for outstanding warrants.

Fuck criminals
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GAMER_X posted...

The US isn't a democracy, its a representative republic.

You say that as if democracy and representative republics are mutually exclusive. They aren't.

That_Happened posted...

GAMER_X posted...

Is it that hard to follow the law? Christ

He said to a forum full of people who have pirated games and streamed shit illegally.

I know you're just goofing, but be real lmao

"Oh shit....sir is this YOUR thumb drive full of SNES roms?!?! PUT YOUR HANDS UP SCUMBAG!!"

"My ancestors are smiling on me officers, can you say the same?"

Like seriously, come on.
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GAMER_X posted...

Is it that hard to follow the law? Christ

Lke not doing illegal stops ? No people seem to not be able to stop that and now they are reward for it .
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cjsdowg posted...

after learning that the defendants had outstanding arrest warrants.

im ok with that since they are already wanted by law.

if they tried to use it any other stop; fuck no.
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E32005 posted...

im ok with that since they are already wanted by law.

if they tried to use it any other stop; f*** no.

They don't now people have warrants until after they stop them.
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anyone who praised CNN for outting hanassholesolo but are against this are hypocrites.
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GAMER_X posted...

That_Happened posted...

GAMER_X posted...

Is it that hard to follow the law? Christ

He said to a forum full of people who have pirated games and streamed shit illegally.

I know you're just goofing, but be real lmao

"Oh shit....sir is this YOUR thumb drive full of SNES roms?!?! PUT YOUR HANDS UP SCUMBAG!!"

"My ancestors are smiling on me officers, can you say the same?"

Like seriously, come on.

What you're saying is, "The laws I break don't count. But fuck lawbreakers, they deserve anything bad that happens to them."
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That_Happened posted...

GAMER_X posted...

That_Happened posted...

GAMER_X posted...

Is it that hard to follow the law? Christ

He said to a forum full of people who have pirated games and streamed shit illegally.

I know you're just goofing, but be real lmao

"Oh shit....sir is this YOUR thumb drive full of SNES roms?!?! PUT YOUR HANDS UP SCUMBAG!!"

"My ancestors are smiling on me officers, can you say the same?"

Like seriously, come on.

What you're saying is, "The laws I break don't count. But fuck lawbreakers, they deserve anything bad that happens to them."

No what i'm saying is, if you're dumb enough to still fuck with weed if you live in a state where its illegal, AND you're dumb enough to have it on you in your car, you deserve whatever happens to you for being a dumbass. And if you also have warrants out for you, yes you also deserve whatever punishment you have coming to you.
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I don't know how I feel about this.

On the one hand the 4th amendment should be protected and no liberties should be taken with it.

On the other hand I'm assuming the logic...

Illegal stop, runs persons name finds separate warrants performs the search enforcing the other warrant.

A new crime and the search wouldn't be valid but 5he cop is just enforcing an already standing warrant and that's the probable cause for the search.

You can't tell a cop he can't enforce a warrant. I don't know what a good way to handle situation.
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GAMER_X posted...

That_Happened posted...

GAMER_X posted...

That_Happened posted...

GAMER_X posted...

Is it that hard to follow the law? Christ

He said to a forum full of people who have pirated games and streamed shit illegally.

I know you're just goofing, but be real lmao

"Oh shit....sir is this YOUR thumb drive full of SNES roms?!?! PUT YOUR HANDS UP SCUMBAG!!"

"My ancestors are smiling on me officers, can you say the same?"

Like seriously, come on.

What you're saying is, "The laws I break don't count. But fuck lawbreakers, they deserve anything bad that happens to them."

No what i'm saying is, if you're dumb enough to still fuck with weed if you live in a state where its illegal, AND you're dumb enough to have it on you in your car, you deserve whatever happens to you for being a dumbass. And if you also have warrants out for you, yes you also deserve whatever punishment you have coming to you.

So if the government arbitrarily makes something you like illegal you would just stop fucking with it?
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GAMER_X posted...

No what i'm saying is, if you're dumb enough to still fuck with weed if you live in a state where its illegal,

Consider how many people have been sued for thousands of dollars for pirating movies and music. And yet I guarantee you that you've had at least SOME of those things on your computer illegally. Does that make you a dumbass when you get taken to court for it, or do we acknowledge that there's something seriously wrong with the law?
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

I don't know how I feel about this.

On the one hand the 4th amendment should be protected and no liberties should be taken with it.

On the other hand I'm assuming the logic...

Illegal stop, runs persons name finds separate warrants performs the search enforcing the other warrant.

A new crime and the search wouldn't be valid but 5he cop is just enforcing an already standing warrant and that's the probable cause for the search.

You can't tell a cop he can't enforce a warrant. I don't know what a good way to handle situation.

It's not a warrant for a search it's a warrant for an arrest. An arrest warrant doesn't give cops the right to search your entire house. For illegal things. A warrant specifically for searching is what allows that.
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ChainedRedone posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

I don't know how I feel about this.

On the one hand the 4th amendment should be protected and no liberties should be taken with it.

On the other hand I'm assuming the logic...

Illegal stop, runs persons name finds separate warrants performs the search enforcing the other warrant.

A new crime and the search wouldn't be valid but 5he cop is just enforcing an already standing warrant and that's the probable cause for the search.

You can't tell a cop he can't enforce a warrant. I don't know what a good way to handle situation.

It's not a warrant for a search it's a warrant for an arrest. An arrest warrant doesn't give cops the right to search your entire house. For illegal things. A warrant specifically for searching is what allows that.

I didn't read the article was assuming it was referring to body searches. I wouldn't think an arrest gives you the right to search a house. A car however it usually does. They can't search it exactly but they technically do because they inventory the car prior to towing which works out the same as a search.

You can't search a house after arrest without a warrant and they said illegal stop so I'm thinking a driver or pedestrian in which case the search would be on the person or on the car (although again the car is inventory)
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That_Happened posted...

GAMER_X posted...

No what i'm saying is, if you're dumb enough to still fuck with weed if you live in a state where its illegal,

Consider how many people have been sued for thousands of dollars for pirating movies and music. And yet I guarantee you that you've had at least SOME of those things on your computer illegally. Does that make you a dumbass when you get taken to court for it, or do we acknowledge that there's something seriously wrong with the law?

When it comes to piracy they only go after hosting sites, and mass uploaders. If you still get nailed despite being neither of those two, you're an idiot and have no idea how to stay off their radar. The most the average internet user gets is a warning letter from the isp, which goes nowhere. Its nowhere on the same level as having contraband on your person while you're out and about and can be easily nailed with it
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GAMER_X posted...

When it comes to piracy they only go after

Hey buddy? We're discussing those in charge changing laws to make it easier for the authorities to search you without warrants or even reason. Keep that in mind. Who they go after today is irrelevant if they're making things easier to go after everyone. I'm sorry but I just don't think you're bright enough for this conversation.
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You can get a warrant for anything though. Unpaid parking tickets, child support, jaywalking.

Then you get pulled over and a cop starts illegally searching your car then you get thrown in jail for something completely unrelated.
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I4NRulez posted...

You can get a warrant for anything though. Unpaid parking tickets, child support, jaywalking.

Then you get pulled over and a cop starts illegally searching your car then you get thrown in jail for something completely unrelated.

Yeah this just gives cops free reign to illegally search. Pretty fucked up. What's next country wide stop and frisk laws

I4NRulez posted...

You can get a warrant for anything though. Unpaid parking tickets, child support, jaywalking.

Then you get pulled over and a cop starts illegally searching your car then you get thrown in jail for something completely unrelated.

They don't search your car after an arrest without a warrant. It will however be inventoried to make sure nothing of yours is stolen before towing. The effect is the same but definitely not illegal.
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this is weird. I thought that this was already the case.

and what is an illegal stop? aren't cops allowed to stop anyone for no reason?
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KiwiTerraRizing posted...

This is frightening. They can pull over people for no reason, run them and if there is a warrant search them.

Major repeal of civil rights.

Oh no, fugitives could be searched when they're found by police.
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Crazyman93 posted...

KiwiTerraRizing posted...

This is frightening. They can pull over people for no reason, run them and if there is a warrant search them.

Major repeal of civil rights.

Oh no, fugitives could be searched when they're found by police.

yea man...weed offenses....SUCH SCARY PEOPLE..

TheVipaGTS posted...

yea man...weed offenses....SUCH SCARY PEOPLE..

the problem is to make weed legal. fuck decriminalization. fuck medical uses. just make the fucking thing straight up legal.
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cjsdowg posted...

dissent from Justice Sonia Sotomayor, who said that “it is no secret that people of color are disproportionate victims of this type of scrutiny.”

What a shock, the Justice who had a decision overturned by the Supreme Court for discrimination is shouting about racism.
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