Poll of the Day > Hawaii 5-0's ONLY 2 Asian Actors have QUIT because CBS won't give EQUAL PAY!!!

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Daniel Dae Kim has broken his silence after leaving the once hit show Hawaii Five-O after a dispute with CBS on EQUAL PAY with it's 2 top stars as he and Grace Park left the show because of wage negotiations breaking down.

He confirmed the news in a lengthy Facebook post addressed to fans and telling them it was a sad and difficult decision.

He wrote "I will not be returning to Hawaii Five-O when production starts next week. Though i made myself available to come back, CBS and i weren't able to agree to terms on a new contarct, so i made the difficult choice not to continue"

He thanks the crew and writers and how appreciative for getting cast in a television series where asian actors have been normally ignored.

Daniel wrote "As an Asian American actor, i know first-hand how difficult it is to find opportunities at all, let alone play a well developed three dimentional character like Chin Ho. I will miss him sincerely. What made him even more special is that he was a representative of a place my family and i so dearly love"

Both Daniel and Grace were looking to match the salaries of Alex O'Loughlin and Scott Caan who earn 10-15% more and Daniel concluded "The path to equality is rarely easy"

The shock news broke as hollywood praised their work as the writers of the show thanked them for 168 episodes where they have been with the show since the beginning and have played integral parts on the hit series for 7 seasons.

Daniel also asked his fans to check out his production company's new show shot in Vancouver called "The Good Doctor" a remake of a hit South Korean show of which he is producing..

Do you think they deserved equal pay with the 2 actors they've been working with for all 7 seasons?

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mrduckbear posted...

Both Daniel and Grace were looking to match the salaries of Alex O'Loughlin and Scott Caan who earn 10-15% more and Daniel concluded "The path to equality is rarely easy"

You draw less, you get paid less. Simple equation. The other stars are a bigger attraction.
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Zeus posted...

You draw less, you get paid less. Simple equation. The other stars are a bigger attraction.

Yeah actors want to continue making millions and millions of dollars, but want universal equal pay. Always irritates me when you see a C-lister angry that Anthony Hopkins or Brad Pitt is making more money than them and just immediately assume it's because of their race or gender.

Zeus posted...

mrduckbear posted...

Both Daniel and Grace were looking to match the salaries of Alex O'Loughlin and Scott Caan who earn 10-15% more and Daniel concluded "The path to equality is rarely easy"

You draw less, you get paid less. Simple equation. The other stars are a bigger attraction.

Weird, because of the four of them, the only one I've ever heard of is Daniel Dae Kim.

Well, I've heard of Scott Caan's dad, but that's not saying much for Scott himself. And I probably should have heard of Grace Park, but I never really watched Edgemont or Battlestar Galactica.
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I thought DDK died, that's cool he's still working
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Grace is fucking hot

I don't know enough about the setup. If it's four main characters and the two white ones get more than the two non-white ones, ok that's questionable.

dainkinkaide posted...

Weird, because of the four of them, the only one I've ever heard of is Daniel Dae Kim.

same (only because of Lost)
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mrduckbear posted...

Daniel Dae Kim has broken his silence after leaving the once hit show Hawaii Five-O after a dispute with CBS on EQUAL PAY with it's 2 top stars as he and Grace Park left the show because of wage negotiations breaking down.

If they can pay those hacks on big bang theory so much for amusing the dull masses, they can throw these two a decent paycheck. Also, more Grace Park on TV is never a bad thing so cough up CBS.

dainkinkaide posted...

Zeus posted...

mrduckbear posted...

Both Daniel and Grace were looking to match the salaries of Alex O'Loughlin and Scott Caan who earn 10-15% more and Daniel concluded "The path to equality is rarely easy"

You draw less, you get paid less. Simple equation. The other stars are a bigger attraction.

Weird, because of the four of them, the only one I've ever heard of is Daniel Dae Kim.

Well, I've heard of Scott Caan's dad, but that's not saying much for Scott himself. And I probably should have heard of Grace Park, but I never really watched Edgemont or Battlestar Galactica.

Weird that you think your limited awareness is somewhat relevant. And, out of the four of them, it looks like the white guys are always standing in the very front in all of the posters and promotional imagery.





In fact, out of everything I saw, MAYBE one-in-fifteen images has an Asian star in the front. But sure, they're alllll equaaaaaallll.... -_-

Syntheticon posted...

mrduckbear posted...

Daniel Dae Kim has broken his silence after leaving the once hit show Hawaii Five-O after a dispute with CBS on EQUAL PAY with it's 2 top stars as he and Grace Park left the show because of wage negotiations breaking down.

If they can pay those hacks on big bang theory so much for amusing the dull masses, they can throw these two a decent paycheck. Also, more Grace Park on TV is never a bad thing so cough up CBS.

If Hawaii 5-0 was drawing BBT money, maybe they could.
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Zeus posted...

In fact, out of everything I saw, MAYBE one-in-fifteen images has an Asian star in the front. But sure, they're alllll equaaaaaallll.... -_-

That really says more about the marketing decisions than how important the Asian characters are to the show.
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Those two asian actors are the only ones I've ever even heard of regarding the four of them.

Doesn't seem like my kind of show but if I watched it at all it would be because of Grace Park
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Duckbear, I want to know, are you employed? Be honest.

Syntheticon posted...

mrduckbear posted...

Daniel Dae Kim has broken his silence after leaving the once hit show Hawaii Five-O after a dispute with CBS on EQUAL PAY with it's 2 top stars as he and Grace Park left the show because of wage negotiations breaking down.

If they can pay those hacks on big bang theory so much for amusing the dull masses, they can throw these two a decent paycheck. Also, more Grace Park on TV is never a bad thing so cough up CBS.

are you calling most of the people who watch big bang theory stupid?

The show is getting a loooooot of bad publicity.

Apparently the Asian actors are the most popular among the non-middleage Mom demographic. Apparently the white guys are boring and only there to fill the white lead requirement for network television.
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Zeus posted...

mrduckbear posted...

Both Daniel and Grace were looking to match the salaries of Alex O'Loughlin and Scott Caan who earn 10-15% more and Daniel concluded "The path to equality is rarely easy"

You draw less, you get paid less. Simple equation. The other stars are a bigger attraction.

Or, you know, pay people the same amount for doing the same work and the same quality of work. Stars that are bigger attractions will make more money in the long run because they'll be in higher demand and get more parts, but for any given individual job, people should be paid the same for doing the same work.
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Without all the facts, though . . .
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adjl posted...

Zeus posted...

mrduckbear posted...

Both Daniel and Grace were looking to match the salaries of Alex O'Loughlin and Scott Caan who earn 10-15% more and Daniel concluded "The path to equality is rarely easy"

You draw less, you get paid less. Simple equation. The other stars are a bigger attraction.

Or, you know, pay people the same amount for doing the same work and the same quality of work. Stars that are bigger attractions will make more money in the long run because they'll be in higher demand and get more parts, but for any given individual job, people should be paid the same for doing the same work.

So experience means nothing. Bonuses/raises for a job well done mean nothing. Incentives to buy your loyalty mean nothing.

I'm all for equal starting pay, but seriously. . .
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adjl posted...

Zeus posted...

mrduckbear posted...

Both Daniel and Grace were looking to match the salaries of Alex O'Loughlin and Scott Caan who earn 10-15% more and Daniel concluded "The path to equality is rarely easy"

You draw less, you get paid less. Simple equation. The other stars are a bigger attraction.

Or, you know, pay people the same amount for doing the same work and the same quality of work. Stars that are bigger attractions will make more money in the long run because they'll be in higher demand and get more parts, but for any given individual job, people should be paid the same for doing the same work.

Nah, screw that. We shouldn't even pay anybody. Just do your job and let the state distribute the wealth evenly amongst everyone.

I mean, if you wanna go commie you may as well go full commie
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They've been on the show 7 years, have done the same amount of work, and are the only ones from the show I ever see anyone talk about. Equal pay shouldn't be that frickin hard and I'm glad they walked. If I was their co-worker I'd threaten to walk unless they were paid the same.

As for the white guys, pretty sure the blonde dude was on Entourage. That's all I know.

Daniel Dae Kim was in Lost and Legend of Korra.
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adjl posted...

people should be paid the same for doing the same work.

I don't want to have a ten page argument about it, but that doesn't make any sense. different levels of skill deserve different amounts of pay, in particular. for actors, it makes sense if the metric used for this is simply "how much does the audience like the actor". but in this case, it doesn't seem like much of anyone especially likes the white actors and it does seem as if they're just being promoted over the asian actors due to some kind of racial assumptions.
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Do...do the white actors actually draw in more viewers?

I mean, we have a person in here saying they do, but nobody else is echoing that sentiment.

dainkinkaide posted...

Zeus posted...

In fact, out of everything I saw, MAYBE one-in-fifteen images has an Asian star in the front. But sure, they're alllll equaaaaaallll.... -_-

That really says more about the marketing decisions than how important the Asian characters are to the show.

It shows the relative valuations of the characters/actors. If one of the Asian actors seemed a bigger draw, they'd be out be front. Keep in mind that they focus group the shit out of this stuff.





adjl posted...

Zeus posted...

mrduckbear posted...

Both Daniel and Grace were looking to match the salaries of Alex O'Loughlin and Scott Caan who earn 10-15% more and Daniel concluded "The path to equality is rarely easy"

You draw less, you get paid less. Simple equation. The other stars are a bigger attraction.

Or, you know, pay people the same amount for doing the same work and the same quality of work. Stars that are bigger attractions will make more money in the long run because they'll be in higher demand and get more parts, but for any given individual job, people should be paid the same for doing the same work.

None of which makes sense and, more importantly, all of which ignores that acting is a highly competitive field where studios and agents negotiate for talent. A fixed rate claim works for shit jobs like retail -- if you overlook that some guys bring more experience to the job or can do a job better -- but it's hysterically wrong for film. *However* if they wanted to pay all 4 the same, they should have gone with better Asian actors or worse white actors.

And if they had just pulled two whites off the street, no experience at all, they'd be paid less than their Asian counterparts -- and the show would have tanked -- because they'd be far worse actors and probably far weaker draws. At that point, though, nobody would talk about getting equal pay for the white guys.

Final Fantasy2389 posted...

They've been on the show 7 years, have done the same amount of work, and are the only ones from the show I ever see anyone talk about. Equal pay shouldn't be that frickin hard and I'm glad they walked. If I was their co-worker I'd threaten to walk unless they were paid the same.

The problem with that argument is everything. First off, if every person started at a different rate, it would be stupid for them to all even out by the end because that means the raises would be vastly disproportionate (although, if one character drew more than another, it can happen). Second, it ignores individual performance in drawing money. Third, if you threatened to walk unless you got paid less you'd be an idiot and ultimately that's what would happen either immediately (like when Leno took a paycut to keep some of his staff around) or in the long run (because their yearly raises would be lower).

Sahuagin posted...

but in this case, it doesn't seem like much of anyone especially likes the white actors and it does seem as if they're just being promoted over the asian actors due to some kind of racial assumptions.

Because nobody here watches the show and that's the narrative being run by the press which generally either advocates for leftist causes or tries to push things as being controversial because controversy creates cash.
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Have O'Loughlin or Caan commented on the situation? There have been cases where some co-stars either refused to work or use whatever pull they have to help out their fellow co-stars. I do not watch this series but from various comments I have read, seems Kim and Park do have/had a big enough presence on the show. Unless there's some tension among them, it is kinda odd their fellow former co-stars are quiet about the situation.
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DDK is infinitely better, he shouldn't be making less than those 2 actors... come on now :(InfestedAdam posted...
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Zeus posted...

Third, if you threatened to walk unless you got paid less you'd be an idiot and ultimately that's what would happen either immediately (like when Leno took a paycut to keep some of his staff around) or in the long run (because their yearly raises would be lower).

Why? They already make more than they probably know what to do with it. This isn't like going from $20 an hour to $15 an hour which could make your living situation tougher. This is going from possible millions to a little less millions or god forbid, a couple hundred thousand per episode.

Okay fine, I'll live with being an idiot if it means my costars make equal pay.
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I thought Daniel Dae Kim was the one of the main character of the two main characters.


The only reason why i would watch Hawaii 5-0 was because of him and because he was in lost.
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Final Fantasy2389 posted...

Zeus posted...

Third, if you threatened to walk unless you got paid less you'd be an idiot and ultimately that's what would happen either immediately (like when Leno took a paycut to keep some of his staff around) or in the long run (because their yearly raises would be lower).

Why? They already make more than they probably know what to do with it. This isn't like going from $20 an hour to $15 an hour which could make your living situation tougher. This is going from possible millions to a little less millions or god forbid, a couple hundred thousand per episode.

Okay fine, I'll live with being an idiot if it means my costars make equal pay.

If you make more than you know what to do with, you don't have much imagination. More importantly, you can't always count on acting work being there so you have to put away as much as you can. Finally, if everybody was making too much like you seem to suggest, nobody would be fucking leaving the show in protest over their money.
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Zeus posted...

If you make more than you know what to do with, you don't have much imagination.

or you aren't stupid.

it's not financially responsible to buy a yacht, for example, even if you can afford it.
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helly posted...

Zeus posted...

If you make more than you know what to do with, you don't have much imagination.

or you aren't stupid.

it's not financially responsible to buy a yacht, for example, even if you can afford it.

It is if it's your primary residence but, more importantly, what does any of this have to do with a yacht? And "financial responsibility" in this context is code for "poor"
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uh

no

if i have several million dollars in the bank, i'm not going to buy a yacht because it's not worth the money it would take to buy and maintain in. it's not financially responsible to buy a yacht.

you're talking like, if you had several million dollars, you'd buy a pet kangaroo just because you had the money to buy one. that's fucking stupid.

not spending your money willy nilly isn't "lack of imagination". it's called being a responsible person.
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helly posted...

uh

no

if i have several million dollars in the bank, i'm not going to buy a yacht because it's not worth the money it would take to buy and maintain in. it's not financially responsible to buy a yacht.

you're talking like, if you had several million dollars, you'd buy a pet kangaroo just because you had the money to buy one. that's fucking stupid.

not spending your money willy nilly isn't "lack of imagination". it's called being a responsible person.

Why do poor people who are never going to be able to pull themselves up from the bottom rungs of society always assume that rich people have yachts? More importantly, why don't you understand the concept of investing and saving money? Your "imagination" for rich people seems to be living paycheck-to-paycheck on a higher level. Equally silly your argument works AGAINST giving those other actors more money at all because, according to you, they don't need it.

Otherwise, if a person can afford a yacht while still saving the bulk of their earnings and makes routine use of one, why shouldn't they have a yacht? There are a good many industries where yacht ownership is a tremendous benefit, such as using it as a location to woo clients or for travel (neither of which necessarily benefits an actor, but even a director or a producer could see some use).
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