Board 8 > :::] Se7en & Raetsel Rank 200 Classic Mega Man Tunes [::: The Ranking #3

(+) Yeah! (+)

Se7enthrust posted...

You are also the 1st complaint about the rollout since this started so... maybe you are just being too picky dude.

Yea but come on man, you know you've gotten a lot of people that mentioned the way you do rankings. Sometimes it is really easy to get confused.

The way I do it, and of course this is just me, I just give the game a solid score and/or ranking and then a writeup.
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OliviaTremor posted...

Your content and writeups are great for the most part but yeah. For example we don't need 9 Ascii boxes and whatever to indicate 9/10. Just write 9/10 it is so much easier to see and interpret.

It looks better to me than everything being in plain text. Subjective opinion. What can ya do?

Point is, I don't waltz into your topics and give you s*** for the way you type things out.

If the format isn't working for you then I suggest you do your own topic or wait for the next person to take on the subject. I'm not changing the way I format my projects.
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The Utility Man posted...

Se7enthrust posted...

You are also the 1st complaint about the rollout since this started so... maybe you are just being too picky dude.

Yea but come on man, you know you've gotten a lot of people that mentioned the way you do rankings. Sometimes it is really easy to get confused.

The way I do it, and of course this is just me, I just give the game a solid score and/or ranking and then a writeup.

Ok... well I still do that really. It's just a bit more broken down. But honestly this is just one side of the criticism since I've been asked a million times how I came to a score before when I just post 9/10 for example.

It's actually why I've developed over time to show a complete breakdown of how I reached my final score but whatever. People never seem to be happy one way or another. >_>
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{ 6th Place }
MM3-[Intro]

Se7en - 26th
Raetsel - 2nd
Average - 14

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJsn_C9rvIQ
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-[26th]- MM3-[Intro][34/4]=[8.50]
[Elimination Pie %]---][][][][][][][][][]|[9]
[Loop Complexity]---][][][][][]|||||[5]
[Sound Bias]---][][][][][][][][][][][10]
[Vibe-o-meter]---][][][][][][][][][][][10]
{Length is the biggest fault here unfortunately but this is probably the best intro in all of the classic series tbh. It's sooooo catchy. Been listening to this theme for about 30 minutes now no joke and yet I have nothing to say here otherwise.}
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Booooooooooooooo (AKA it wasn't that one)
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2.MM3-[Intro]


[Elimination Pie %]: 10/10

[Individual Game Ranking]: 10/10

[YouTube Score]: 2,161 Likes, 9 Dislikes=2,152 (10/10)

[Rambly Babbley Prattle Value]: 1,585 (9/10)

[Total]: 39/40

I haven't heard all the intro themes yet (or, more accurately, I haven't listened to them for the purposes of these rankings; I've played all the games before), but I'm fairly confident this is going to be the best Mega Man intro of them all. Which is appropriate because 3 is the best Mega Man game.

I don't care how unfinished or glitchy it was, 3 really impressed me. In part because I played the series in almost reverse order (7, 8, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1; then 9 & 10 when they were released). It was mind-blowing when I cleared the 8 stages and then the Doc Robots showed up. Nothing like that happened in any of the other games and I wasn't prepared for one of the oldest games to have a twist on the formula.

And since I was going backwards, it had the odd effect of being a look into what was coming up. I got to fight modified versions of the Robot Masters from the game I was going to be playing next. I'm sure there aren't many people who got to have that experience, but it was just amazing.


The intro to the game is okay, if a bit nonsensical. I'm still not sure why the game takes place on multiple uncharted planets, as nothing in the game itself even hints at it. Is interstellar travel really so common place in that world that Mega Man can just casually travel the galaxy? I seem to remember space travel being a bigger deal in the X series, particularly X5, with crashing that space shuttle into...a falling space station or something...it's been a while since I played that one and don't care to look up the details.

Aaaanywho, this is a great song for a great game.
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{Like Elec Man, this song just barely misses getting the perfect 40/40.}
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Raetsel_Lapin posted...

Which is appropriate because 3 is the best Mega Man game.

QFT!
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{ 5th Place }
MM3-[Snake Man Stage]

Se7en - 20th
Raetsel - 6th
Average - 13

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqGLXispP08
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-[20th]- MM3-[Snake Man Stage][36/4]=[9.00]
[Elimination Pie %]---][][][][][][][][][][][10]
[Loop Complexity]---][][][][][][][][]||[8]
[Sound Bias]---][][][][][][][][][]|[9]
[Vibe-o-meter]---][][][][][][][][][]|[9]
{Maybe the most tolerable high pitched tune I've ever listened to but the most common complaint I think I've heard about this theme is just that, the pitch. I dunno though. I actually think it's pretty great and works well for the theme. This used to be my all time favorite until MM4 was released so many years ago. (And with this MM3 falls.)}
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Booooooooooooooo (AKA it wasn't that one either)
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6.MM3-[Snake Man Stage]


[Elimination Pie %]: 10/10

[Individual Game Ranking]: 9/10

[YouTube Score]: 380 Likes, 5 Dislikes=375 (9/10)

[Rambly Babbley Prattle Value]: 1,848 (10/10)

[Total]: 38/40

Ahh, such a great tune. For reasons, I wound up going through the worst songs of MM4 before coming back to this song... easily better than anything from 4 and so, so, so much better than the absolute dreck that are its worst songs.

Snake Man is an interesting character. He's the first non-human Robot Master, right? SINCE SOMEONE ISN'T ACTUALLY A BUNNY AT ALL. *continues glaring at Cut Man*

So, I'd forgotten about it until I started ranking some of these songs, but Mega Man 3 takes place on alien worlds. Light & Wily created these 8 Robots to go into space and mine...whatever MacGuffin they needed to build Gamma. Which just raises so many questions.

1. If I asked you to create 8 interstellar mining bots, would "anthropomorphic snake" really be the design you went with?

1a. Seriously, whose idea was this? Did Light and Wily come up with it together or is this design Wily just trolling Dr. Light? [Dr. Wily]: "Yeah, I'm totally reformed! I'm a good guy now! Oh, you say you need some mining droids, well I've got the perfect idea. Just hear me out: Giant. Walking. Snake Man." [Dr. Light]: "That's the...no, no, in the interest of friendship, I shouldn't dismiss your ideas. If you think we need a Snake Man, then a Snake Man we shall build!" [Dr. Wily] "...Seriously?"

2. Was this stage/planet filled with giant robot snakes to begin with or did Snake Man build them all himself when he turned evil? Was he just going about his day mining, then Wily flipped the "evil switch", and Snake Man was suddenly "MUST BUILD GIANT FORTRESS OF SNAKES TO KILL MEGA MAN"?


On a random (err...even more random) side note, he seems to have gotten a pretty nice action figure for the American cartoon show:

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/megaman/images/0/01/Snakemanactionfigure.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20060703192447

Look, it even came with a Search Snake!
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{ 4th Place }
MM4-[Skull Man Stage]

Se7en - 4th
Raetsel - 18th
Average - 11

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-z1HLxLJto
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-[4th]- MM4-[Skull Man Stage][40/4]=[10.00]
[Elimination Pie %]---][][][][][][][][][][][10]
[Loop Complexity]---][][][][][][][][][][][10]
[Sound Bias]---][][][][][][][][][][][10]
[Vibe-o-meter]---][][][][][][][][][][][10]
{Interesting. The only theme in this entire ranking that I got placed exactly where it would land in the official rollout. Anyway, I think this theme is perfect. It's a bit slower than most of the really great ryhthms but it is pretty easy to hum to. I think the stage is a perfect fit with this theme as well.}
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YES, finally.
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Shoulda known you were pegging a MM4 theme.
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18.MM4-[Skull Man Stage]


[Elimination Pie %]: 9/10

[Individual Game Ranking]: 10/10

[YouTube Score]: 187 Likes, 1 Dislike=186 (6/10)

[Rambly Babbley Prattle Value]: 2,722 (10/10)

[Total]: 35/40

Is it just me or does this sound like the Punch-Out!! theme?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ-LoqRAHLg

It's a pretty great game to be associated with. I really enjoy the original Punch-Out!!, though I've never finished it. Every couple of years I take a shot at it, but I've never come particularly close to beating Tyson.

Err...by original, I mean "NES". I forgot the arcade game came first, didn't it? I'd look it up, but I don't really care. </.<


Not really a fan of the sequels though. I don't hold anything against Super or Wii, but they've never held my attention for long. I don't think they really improved on the formula, it was just like "here's more Punch-Out!!" and I'm like "Okay, but I'd rather try to finish the first one...?"


If I had to play a Punch-Out!! like game other than the original, I'd rather replay Teleroboxer or Wade Hixton's Counter Punch. Teleroboxer may be the best game on the Virtual Boy (not that there's much competition) and Wade Hixton is an obscure game that never got the attention it deserved. For being a low budget GBA attempt at a Punch-Out!! knock off. The game may have a lot of problems, but it was packed with a lot of heart & soul.

They tried to add more depth to the formula. They added a nonsensical excuse plot and you could earn money to purchase upgrades or hire people to help cheat for you. Yes, the upgrades were unbalanced (one is actively worse than the upgrade that preceded it) and only one of the three cheats were worth purchasing; Yes, it was annoying having to click everywhere in town to find the one person that wanted to fight you. But the characters wee unique! The first opponent is a garbage man who can sic a raccoon on you! I think it's what a true sequel to Punch--Out!!! should have been: Cranking the absurdity up to 11 and not being afraid to try out new twists on the formula. Even if it didn't all work out, at least they TRIED.


....what were we talking about again? Oh, right, right, Skull Man. I guess evil skeleton isn't a bad concept, but when Pharaoh Man has an endless army of undead minions, it's hard to see Skull Man as anything but a lackey. Why should I care about a skeleton when I already fought a bunch of mummies & zombies?

It's also off that Skull Man wasn't made by Dr. Wily. Skulls are his thing! If anyone made EVIL SKULL ROBOTS, it would be the evil skull themed scientist! The wiki suspects that Wily may have influenced the design: Skull Man was the last robot designed by Dr. Cossack & was built for combat, so they think it's possible Wily convinced Cossack to build him. That would make sense, but I don't think any source implies that... so it's just a bit of fanon. An interesting bit of fanon, but fanon none-the-less.
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{I probably should have corrected some of those typos and broken sentences, but the write-up is what it is.

EDIT: Also, I forgot to point it out: While there were multiple cheats you could purchase in Counter-Punch, at least one of them actively doesn't work. You can bribe the ref to do a slow count, but much like Punch-Out!!, there is a point where it is impossible for you to get back up; slowing the count does NOTHING because it is impossible for you to get up, no matter how many times you push the button. It's filled with things like that, where you can tell the game just wasn't entirely finished.

I still think it has a real chance at being the best Punch-Out!! style game in spite of those things.}
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What exactly do you not like about this theme (being in the Top 10)?
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Se7enthrust posted...

Shoulda known you were pegging a MM4 theme.

Shoulda known you would put it above better MM4 themes. Oh wait, I did know that. ;p
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Se7enthrust posted...

What exactly do you not like about this theme (being in the Top 10)?

Like I've said before, it's not that the theme is bad, I really do enjoy it, it's just I like others better.
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{ 3rd Place }
MM4-[Dr. Wily Stage 3 & 4]

Se7en - 8th
Raetsel - 13th
Average - 10.5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWzOyGU7vEE
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-[8th]- MM4-[Dr. Wily Stage 3 & 4][38/4]=[9.50]
[Elimination Pie %]---][][][][][][][][][][][10]
[Loop Complexity]---][][][][][][][][]||[8]
[Sound Bias]---][][][][][][][][][][][10]
[Vibe-o-meter]---][][][][][][][][][][][10]
{This is another tune that should have a perfect score in hindsight but unfortunately the looping just isn't that long. It does have one of the most trance inducing rhythms in the whole classic series though. It's almost one of the best Wily themes in all of the classic series as well. I do find the explosion at 47 seconds into the loop distracting though as it immediately makes me think of Contra every single time I hear it.}
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The Utility Man posted...

Se7enthrust posted...

What exactly do you not like about this theme (being in the Top 10)?

Like I've said before, it's not that the theme is bad, I really do enjoy it, it's just I like others better.

Right but what I meant more specifically is you suggested it was mid tier earlier. Why do you find the tune less satisfying?
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Speaking of MM4 themes I like better than Skull Man...
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Se7enthrust posted...

The Utility Man posted...

Se7enthrust posted...

What exactly do you not like about this theme (being in the Top 10)?

Like I've said before, it's not that the theme is bad, I really do enjoy it, it's just I like others better.

Right but what I meant more specifically is you suggested it was mid tier earlier. Why do you find the tune less satisfying?

How exactly am I suppose to describe why I like the sound of 1 theme better than another.....

I just do. Skull Man's theme is actually 3rd best MM4 RM theme for me.
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13.MM4-[Dr. Wily Stage 3 & 4]


[Elimination Pie %]: 9/10

[Individual Game Ranking]: 10/10

[YouTube Score]: 214 Likes, 0 Dislikes. DOUBLE!!=428 (9/10)

[Rambly Babbley Prattle Value]: 1,235 (9/10)

[Total]: 37/40


Skimming the comments, it seems people tend to read a lot of meaning into this song.

"this music is actually very sad. it makes you think of all the pain and hatred in Wily's heart. he's gone past the salvageable point, holding a child hostage. it shows how desperately insane he is. he just cannot hide the evil any longer. its ripping him apart."


"That was really poetic. My personal take on this song was that it was raw drive and determination. The Cossack stages had a more ominous tone, but after Wily was revealed to be the one pulling the strings, the songs changed to a more driving and determined feel. This song conveys Rock's unbreakable resolve to stop this madman once and for all (even though we know that's not the case lol)"


I wonder what it would be like to have such strong reactions to music. I know it's a good song and that it's absolutely top tier for Mega Man Fortress Themes, but I don't hear any particular emotion to it, much less build an entire story in my head about characters and symbolism. They hear an epic story & I just laugh at the random, explosion-y sound effect near the end of the loop *shrugs*
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{Hey, we both pointed out the random explosion. Neat!}
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Looks like we will be wrapping this up real soon here btw. Only 2 more to go.
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The Utility Man posted...

How exactly am I suppose to describe why I like the sound of 1 theme better than another.....

I dunno... were were supposed to have a discussion of MM4 vs. MM5.

How did you intend to do it there?
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Raetsel_Lapin posted...

{Hey, we both pointed out the random explosion. Neat!}

lol. That is funny. That explosion has always been impossible to ignore for me.
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Se7enthrust posted...

The Utility Man posted...

How exactly am I suppose to describe why I like the sound of 1 theme better than another.....

I dunno... were were supposed to have a discussion of MM4 vs. MM5.

How did you intend to do it there?

Remember, that wasn't just based on the music.
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The Utility Man posted...

Se7enthrust posted...

The Utility Man posted...

How exactly am I suppose to describe why I like the sound of 1 theme better than another.....

I dunno... were were supposed to have a discussion of MM4 vs. MM5.

How did you intend to do it there?

Remember, that wasn't just based on the music.

Understandable but I assume you will still have a way to state which is better than the other. If your whole argument is simply going to be "because I just like one over the other" then I don't even think it's worth having a debate tbh.
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Se7enthrust posted...

The Utility Man posted...

Se7enthrust posted...

The Utility Man posted...

How exactly am I suppose to describe why I like the sound of 1 theme better than another.....

I dunno... were were supposed to have a discussion of MM4 vs. MM5.

How did you intend to do it there?

Remember, that wasn't just based on the music.

Understandable but I assume you will still have a way to state which is better than the other. If your whole argument is simply going to be "because I just like one over the other" then I don't even think it's worth having a debate tbh.

Well again, it wasn't suppose to be based on the music. Obviously Music is going to be completely based on a person's preference. That's why you 2 rated Slash Man's theme so low when it's really amazing. ;p
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Not to interrupt you two, but were we going to finish the last two songs tonight? It's kinda late and while I can stay on as long as needed, if you were planning on saving the finale for tomorrow, I could stop refreshing this page endlessly.
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Raetsel_Lapin posted...

Not to interrupt you two, but were we going to finish the last two songs tonight? It's kinda late and while I can stay on as long as needed, if you were planning on saving the finale for tomorrow, I could stop refreshing this page endlessly.

Just waiting on you I thought...

Woops, you already posted your part to the last one. Got caught up in conversation with TUM and didn't notice. My apologies.

Next one coming right up.
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{ 2nd Place }
MM2-[Bubble Man Stage]

Se7en - 10th
Raetsel - 1st
Average - 5.5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEULEvmq7yE
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-[10th]- MM2-[Bubble Man Stage][38/4]=[9.50]
[Elimination Pie %]---][][][][][][][][][][][10]
[Loop Complexity]---][][][][][][][][]||[8]
[Sound Bias]---][][][][][][][][][][][10]
[Vibe-o-meter]---][][][][][][][][][][10]
{Kinda glad to see this land so high considering I should have given this theme a perfect score tbh. Not sure why I took issue with the length when scoring this one but oh well... can't change it now. Anyway, this is music to my ears and I can close my eyes and get lost in this theme pretty easily. By and far the best water theme hands down no contest. Surprised and happy to see this almost take #1 though.}
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1.MM2-[Bubble Man Stage]


[Elimination Pie %]: 10/10

[Individual Game Ranking]: 10/10

[YouTube Score]: 772 Likes, 4 Dislikes=768 (10/10)

[Rambly Babbley Prattle Value] 2,079 (10/10)

[Total]: 40/40

Now this is a good track. Every time I go back and listen to it, I wind up moving it further up my list. At this rate, by the time my list is finalized, it will have snuck its way into the number one slot.

I've always kinda liked Bubble Man. Yeah, he might be sort of lame, but in an intentionally funny way--not like lame-o Metal Man.

"..a defect in [Bubble Man's] system makes him unable to walk on land, being only able to move by jumping. After seeing this, Wily couldn't help but laugh at his way of moving."

Even Dr. Wily can't help but laugh at his creation. Just picture it: A mad scientist seeking revenge builds an army of killer robots. He creates 8 Masters to lead them. Most of these are modified versions of his rival's creations, taking their concepts and making them even better to prove Wily's superiority. He attempts to create an underwater assassin, one of his first truly unique ideas. It comes to life and...hops around because it literally cannot walk. The madman laughs at his creation.

This also means that Bubble Man's first memory is presumably of his creator laughing in his face about his disability. That is, like, equal parts tragic and hilarious. Tragilarious, if you would.

*Googles that* So a few other people have made up that word. That makes me feel slightly less crazy.

Always found it amusing that he has a spiked wall ceiling in his boss fight, like his master plan is hoping you accidentally kill yourself. I'm not sure if that's supposed to indicate that he's skilled at traps (laying spikes and trying to trick you into falling to your death) or that he's so lame he needs the stage to kill you for him.


His weapon, Bubble Lead, is quite helpful. Since it rolls along the ground, it can find invisible holes and help you safely traverse the Wily Fortresses. It's also the only way to hurt the final boss. So go ahead, laugh at Bubble Man. Where would you be without him? Stuck in an infinite battle against a holographic alien, that's where!


Hyadain Theme:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07RY9TMysiE

Sad Engrish-y Bubble Man is best Bubble Man.
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{The Megas claim Bubble Man's power is the most ridiculous (or rather their version of Bubbleman sings that his power is the most ridiculous), but I honestly think his might be one of the least silly. In no particular order...


1.A Robot that can stop time, but most other robots have a device that renders them immune to the effect anyway & also he built his stage so you can actually dodge his bullets while frozen in time.

2.A Robot with super speed, who only uses his speed to jump and throw boomerangs. Also, is the only boss to not have the device rendering him immune to the time stop.

3.A Robot that attacks with leaves made out of a super metal.

4.A Robot whose gimmick is "made of metal", like, you know...most robots. Or as The Megas put it "My name is Metal Man. I throw Metal Blades from my Metal Hands".

5.A Zippo lighter with flames hotter than the sun.

6.A Robot who can fire miniature tornadoes, using a device that was part of a kite-flying experiment that went wrong.

7.A Robot with a seemingly infinite amount of bombs on spikes, which actually makes sense for once.

8.A Robot that traps his opponents in highly corrosive acid and fights in an arena that eliminates his disability.

Only song to get a perfect score from my weird rankings.}
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Se7enthrust posted...

Woops, you already posted your part to the last one. Got caught up in conversation with TUM and didn't notice. My apologies.

Laughing now as I replied to your explosion comment. *facepalm

Guess I really wasn't paying attention though.lol
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No big surprise on what won tbh.
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{ 1st Place }
MM2-[Dr. Wily Stage 1 & 2]

Se7en - 2nd
Raetsel - 4th
Average - 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFKtYCcMWT4
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-[2nd]- MM2-[Dr. Wily Stage 1 & 2][40/4]=[10.00]
[Elimination Pie %]---][][][][][][][][][][][10]
[Loop Complexity]---][][][][][][][][][][][10]
[Sound Bias]---][][][][][][][][][][][10]
[Vibe-o-meter]---][][][][][][][][][][][10]
{And here we are the final theme out of 200 to get ranked. Is it really any surprise that this takes #1 here? Even with me selecting another theme over this one for #1 I still knew it would land on top for some reason. But I say for some reason like it's even debateable how awesome this theme is or isn't. It truly is one of the best themes in the classic series. I actually have an alarm on my phone with this theme but the problem with it is that it doesn't wake me up lol as it only puts me into more of a trance or deeper sleep. Perfect score here.}
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4.MM2-[Dr. Wily Stage 1 & 2]


[Elimination Pie %]: 10/10

[Individual Game Ranking]: 9/10

[YouTube Score]: 15,405 Likes, 222 Dislikes=15,183 (10/10)

[Rambly Babbley Prattle Value]: 3,070 (10/10)

[Total]: 39/40

OVER FIFTEEN THOUSAND?? Well, I guess we know which song is going to get first place in the YouTube Score category. I haven't even gotten to later games in the series to see their point values, but I'm pretty sure nothing is going to top that.

It's also likely going to get a high Babble Score because the WWE actually used this for someone's entrance theme:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO2xYKhGXZs


That's right, someone actually came down to the ring to Mega Man 2 music. This is a thing that happened. I...well honestly I've never seen TJ Perkins wrestle. I heard about it from the Wrestling Discussion Topic, which I kinda lurk at but never post in. I use to be a wrestling fan, but I've lost almost all interest in WWE. I still tune in to Royal Rumble & WrestleMania, but that's about it...and I haven't cared for either of those for a few years. I think I stopped caring around the point Vince decided to ram Roman Reigns down everyone's throat.

[I hear Netflix has the rights to Lucha Underground and I've heard very good things about it. Since I like the sillier parts of wrestling (I am the type of person that gets far more interested in a "Buff Bagwell's Mother on a Pole" match then some 5 star classic), I'm looking forward to watching it instead; I should also look into Chikara at some point, but I'm not sure when I'll get around to it.

...and I'm sure Lucha Underground doesn't do anything as stupid as WCW at its worst (best?), but it certainly takes itself less seriously than WWE wants to.]

I know Se7en dislikes wrestling, but I'm still a bit of a fan. I'd have given significantly more points to the WrestleMania nom; sure it's not entirely video game related, but there are a lot of WWE videogames & WrestleMania tends to factor quite highly in several of them for obvious reasons. Besides several games with WrestleMania in the title, you also have things like WWE 2k14 that allows you to play through moments from the first 30 WrestleManias... so I'd have given the nomination at least half a point of relation to gaming.

I tried replaying 2k14 recently, but I can barely get started on the WrestleMania mode at the highest difficulty. I'm stuck at the Macho Man VS Ric Flair match because Flair keeps cheating... the very first goal is to hit him with a finisher, but Flair almost never allows it. Last time I tried the fight he dodged five finishers in a row. It feels like it's turning into a luck based mission--I can't win if Flair refuses to follow the script and take the hit.

Then the last goal is to win with a roll-up, but I still haven't managed that. You roll so far with Flair that you practically have to get him in the exact right spot where you can flip him without shoving him into the ropes...and Flair can reverse the roll at any point. So you have to knock him down, position him exactly, and then ask him nicely if he's willing to let you try to win the match. Ugh. I should just lower the difficulty, but I'm too stubborn and I know I finished it at the highest difficulty once.


...wait, what were we talking about again?
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{Have not gone back to that WWE game since this was written. Too many other games I'd rather play than finish replaying that one.

Have watched a bit of Lucha Underground, though not as much as I expected; it's great, but I just haven't been in the mood for a good wrestling show that I would want to actually pay attention to. I do want to see it, I just...haven't for some reason?"}
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The Utility Man posted...

No big surprise on what won tbh.

Lol. I said that in my write-up.
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Se7en's Final List:
1) MM4-[Dr. Cossack Stage 3 & 4]
2) MM2-[Dr. Wily Stage 1 & 2]
3) MM10-[Dr. Wily Battle 1]
4) MM4-[Skull Man Stage]
5) MM2-[Quick Man Stage]
6) MM4-[Dr. Cossack Stage 1 & 2]
7) MM2-[Metal Man Stage]
8) MM4-[Dr. Wily Stage 3 & 4]
9) MM2-[Flash Man Stage]
10) MM2-[Bubble Man Stage]
11) MM3-[Spark Man & Doc Robot Stage 1]
12) MM6-[Tomahawk Man Stage]
13) MM2-[Air Man Stage]
14) MM4-[Pharaoh Man Stage]
15) MM3-[Top Man Stage]
16) MM3-[Magnet Man Stage]
17) MM4-[Dust Man Stage]
18) MM4-[Ending]
19) MM2-[Ending]
20) MM3-[Snake Man Stage]

21) MM4-[Dive Man Stage]
22) MM2-[Wood Man Stage]
23) MM4-[Bright Man Stage]
24) MM4-[Toad Man Stage]
25) MM3-[Ending 2]
26) MM3-[Intro]
27) MM9-[Hornet Man Stage]
28) MM6-[Plant Man Stage]
29) MM6-[Blizzard Man Stage]
30) MM6-[Flame Man Stage]
31) MM3-[Ending 1]
32) MM9-[Tornado Man Stage]
33) MM3-[Password Screen]
34) MM3-[Hard Man Stage]
35) MM7-[Shade Man Stage]
36) MM10-[Dr. Wily Stage 4]
37) MM9-[Galaxy Man Stage]
38) MM3-[Dr. Wily Stage 5 & 6]
39) MM6-[Mr. X Stage 1 & 2 & 3 & 4]
40) MM4-[Dr. Wily Stage 1 & 2]

41) MM6-[Ending]
42) MM3-[Gemini Man & Doc Robot Stage 3]
43) MM2-[Crash Man Stage]
44) MM3-[Dr. Wily Stage 3 & 4]
45) MM3-[Needle Man & Doc Robot Stage 2]
46) MM2-[Intro]
47) MM6-[Dr. Wily Stage 1 & 2 & 3 & 4]
48) MM4-[Drill Man Stage]
49) MM6-[Knight Man Stage]
50) MM4-[Dr. Wily Battle Theme]
51) MM2-[Heat Man Stage]
52) MM6-[Dr. Wily Battle Theme]
53) MM3-[Dr. Wily Stage 1 & 2]
54) MM6-[Stage Select]
55) MM4-[Credits]
56) MM1-[Dr. Wily Stage 1 & 2]
57) MM9-[Splash Woman Stage]
58) MM10-[Sheep Man Stage]
59) MM6-[Wind Man Stage]
60) MM10-[Pump Man Stage]

61) MM8-[Intro Stage & Duo Stage]
62) MM4-[Ring Man Stage]
63) MM10-[Bass Shop]
64) MM1-[Ending]
65) MM9-[Credits]
66) MM3-[Weapon Upgrade]
67) MM5-[Title Theme]
68) MM2-[Dr. Wily Stage 3 & 4 & 5]
69) MM5-[Gravity Man Stage]
70) MM10-[Dr. Wily Stage 3]
71) MM6-[Yamato Man Stage]
72) MM5-[Proto/Dark Man Stage 1 & 2 & 3 & 4]
73) MM4-[Stage Boss Battle Theme]
74) MM4-[Intro 1]
75) MM9-[Plug Man Stage]
76) MM3-[Shadow Man & Doc Robot Stage 4]
77) MM8-[Dr. Light's Lab]
78) MM10-[Dr. Wily Stage 1]
79) MM5-[Wave Man Stage]
80) MM1-[Elec Man Stage]

81) MM3-[Stage Select]
82) MM3-[Stage Boss Theme]
83) MM6-[Intro]
84) MM3-[Dr. Wily Stage Boss Theme]
85) MM4-[Stage Select]
86) MM10-[Intro 4 "Go Together"]
87) MM5-[Stone Man Stage]
88) MM10-[Dr. Wily Stage 2]
89) MM9-[Dr. Wily Stage 1]
90) MM10-[Credits]
91) MM4-[Intro 2]
92) MM1-[Fire Man Stage]
93) MM6-[Centaur Man Stage]
94) MM10-[Solar Man Stage]
95) MM9-[Jewel Man Stage]
96) MM5-[Dr. Wily Stage 1 & 2 & 3 & 4]
97) MM5-[Star Man Stage]
98) MM1-[Cut Man Stage]
99) MM6-[Start Screen]
100) MM5-[Napalm Man]

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101) MM5-[Charge Man Stage]
102) MM10-[Dr. Wily Stage 5]
103) MM2-[Stage Boss Battle Theme]
104) MM1-[Bomb Man Stage]
105) MM5-[Dr. Wily Battle]
106) MM6-[Stage Boss Theme]
107) MM5-[Password Screen]
108) MM7-[Ending]
109) MM9-[Dr. Wily Stage 3]
110) MM2-[Stage Select]
111) MM10-[Dr. Wily Stage Boss Theme]
112) MM9-[Intro]
113) MM10-[Nitro Man Stage]
114) MM7-[Intro Stage]
115) MM9-[Dr. Wily Stage 2]
116) MM10-[Dr. Wily Battle 2]
117) MM7-[Robot Museum Stage]
118) MM8-[Intro]
119) MM2-[Password Screen]
120) MM9-[Menu Screen]

121) MM9-[Dr. Wily Battle]
122) MM8-[Ending]
123) MM5-[Stage Select]
124) MM8-[Dr. Wily Stage 1]
125) MM10-[Strike Man Stage]
126) MM8-[Clown Man Stage]
127) MM10-[Intro 2 "Future World"]
128) MM10-[Intro 1 "Usual Day"]
129) MM10-[Stage Boss Theme]
130) MM1-[Dr. Wily Battle]
131) MM8-[Dr. Wily Battle 2]
132) MM8-[Stage Select]
133) MM9-[Stage Boss Battle]
134) MM8-[Frost Man Stage]
135) MM9-[Concrete Man Stage]
136) MM7-[Dr. Light Lab Destroyed]
137) MM7-[Freeze Man Stage]
138) MM1-[Ice Man Stage]
139) MM7-[Slash Man Stage]
140) MM9-[Magma Man Stage]

141) MM5-[Ending]
142) MM7-[Dr. Wily Stage Boss Battle]
143) MM5-[Crystal Man Stage]
144) MM9-[Title Screen]
145) MM7-[Dr. Wily Battle Theme]
146) MM1-[Stage Boss Battle Theme]
147) MM10-[Intro 3 "Suspicion"]
148) MM8-[Astro Man Stage]
149) MM10-[Chill Man Stage]
150) MM1-[Guts Man Stage]
151) MM10-[Blade Man Stage]
152) MM5-[Intro]
153) MM10-[Commando Man Stage]
154) MM8-[Tengu Man Stage]
155) MM5-[Gyro Man Stage]
156) MM10-[Stage Select]
157) MM7-[Dr. Wily Stage 1]
158) MM7-[Stage Select]
159) MM9-[Ending]
160) MM10-[Main Menu]

161) MM7-[Dr. Wily Stage 3]
162) MM1-[Dr. Wily Stage 3 & 4]
163) MM8-[Dr. Wily Stage 2]
164) MM10-[Weapon Upgrade]
165) MM10-[Crisis]
166) MM8-[Search Man Stage]
167) MM7-[Dr. Wily Stage 4]
168) MM7-[Auto's Shop]
169) MM5-[Weapon Upgrade]
170) MM8-[Stage Boss Theme]
171) MM10-[Proto Man Shop]
172) MM8-[Grenade Man Stage]
173) MM8-[Dr. Wily Intro & Battle 1]
174) MM7-[Cloud Man Stage]
175) MM10-[Ending]
176) MM9-[Stage Select]
177) MM7-[Intro]
178) MM7-[Stage Boss Fight]
179) MM7-[Spring Man Stage]
180) MM9-[Dr. Wily Stage 4]

181) MM8-[Aqua Man Stage]
182) MM1-[Stage Select]
183) MM5-[Stage Boss Battle Theme]
184) MM7-[Burst Man Stage]
185) MM10-[Start Screen/Title Theme]
186) MM8-[Dr. Wily Stage 4]
187) MM8-[Sword Man Stage]
188) MM7-[Turbo Man Stage]
189) MM8-[Dr. Wily Stage 3]
190) MM7-[Dr. Wily Stage 2]
191) MM7-[Junk Man Stage]
192) MM4-[Special Item]
193) MM6-[Weapon Upgrade]
194) MM2-[Weapon Upgrade]
195) MM9-[Weapon Upgrade]
196) MM4-[Weapon Upgrade]
197) MM7-[Password Screen]
198) MM8-[Weapon Upgrade]
199) MM4-[Password Screen]
200) MM7-[Weapon Upgrade]

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Raetsel's Final List:
1) MM2-[Bubble Man Stage]
2) MM3-[Intro]
3) MM1-[Elec Man Stage]
4) MM2-[Dr. Wily Stage 1 & 2]
5) MM7-[Dr. Wily Stage 1]
6) MM3-[Snake Man Stage]
7) MM2-[Intro]
8) MM10-[Dr. Wily Stage 1]
9) MM10-[Nitro Man Stage]
10) MM3-[Ending 1]
11) MM8-[Ending]
12) MM9-[Splash Woman Stage]
13) MM4-[Dr. Wily Stage 3 & 4]
14) MM1-[Cut Man Stage]
15) MM9-[Dr. Wily Stage 2]
16) MM3-[Shadow Man & Doc Robot Stage 4]
17) MM4-[Bright Man Stage]
18) MM4-[Skull Man Stage]
19) MM8-[Intro Stage & Duo Stage]
20) MM2-[Air Man Stage]

21) MM10-[Dr. Wily Stage 3]
22) MM6-[Tomahawk Man Stage]
23) MM5-[Napalm Man]
24) MM2-[Flash Man Stage]
25) MM8-[Stage Select]
26) MM5-[Dr. Wily Stage 1 & 2 & 3 & 4]
27) MM8-[Frost Man Stage]
28) MM2-[Stage Boss Battle Theme]
29) MM4-[Pharaoh Man Stage]
30) MM6-[Dr. Wily Stage 1 & 2 & 3 & 4]
31) MM6-[Flame Man Stage]
32) MM6-[Plant Man Stage]
33) MM8-[Dr. Wily Stage 2]
34) MM7-[Cloud Man Stage]
35) MM1-[Bomb Man Stage]
36) MM8-[Aqua Man Stage]
37) MM5-[Stone Man Stage]
38) MM4-[Dr. Cossack Stage 3 & 4]
39) MM7-[Junk Man Stage]
40) MM10-[Blade Man Stage]

41) MM2-[Metal Man Stage]
42) MM7-[Ending]
43) MM2-[Wood Man Stage]
44) MM6-[Dr. Wily Battle Theme]
45) MM4-[Dive Man Stage]
46) MM5-[Ending]
47) MM6-[Blizzard Man Stage]
48) MM7-[Burst Man Stage]
49) MM9-[Magma Man Stage]
50) MM7-[Freeze Man Stage]
51) MM10-[Solar Man Stage]
52) MM8-[Grenade Man Stage]
53) MM9-[Hornet Man Stage]
54) MM5-[Gravity Man Stage]
55) MM1-[Fire Man Stage]
56) MM10-[Dr. Wily Stage 2]
57) MM5-[Wave Man Stage]
58) MM6-[Yamato Man Stage]
59) MM9-[Plug Man Stage]
60) MM3-[Dr. Wily Stage 3 & 4]

61) MM10-[Chill Man Stage]
62) MM8-[Tengu Man Stage]
63) MM2-[Crash Man Stage]
64) MM6-[Mr. X Stage 1 & 2 & 3 & 4]
65) MM2-[Quick Man Stage]
66) MM3-[Spark Man & Doc Robot Stage 1]
67) MM10-[Sheep Man Stage]
68) MM3-[Magnet Man Stage]
69) MM5-[Charge Man Stage]
70) MM4-[Drill Man Stage]
71) MM8-[Sword Man Stage]
72) MM9-[Dr. Wily Stage 1]
73) MM8-[Intro]
74) MM10-[Stage Boss Theme]
75) MM9-[Credits]
76) MM9-[Intro]
77) MM9-[Concrete Man Stage]
78) MM1-[Guts Man Stage]
79) MM1-[Ice Man Stage]
80) MM4-[Toad Man Stage]

81) MM3-[Dr. Wily Stage 1 & 2]
82) MM3-[Top Man Stage]
83) MM10-[Dr. Wily Battle 2]
84) MM8-[Astro Man Stage]
85) MM6-[Knight Man Stage]
86) MM4-[Ring Man Stage]
87) MM10-[Strike Man Stage]
88) MM9-[Galaxy Man Stage]
89) MM10-[Dr. Wily Stage Boss Theme]
90) MM1-[Ending]
91) MM10-[Commando Man Stage]
92) MM5-[Title Theme]
93) MM2-[Heat Man Stage]
94) MM7-[Dr. Wily Battle Theme]
95) MM3-[Needle Man & Doc Robot Stage 2]
96) MM5-[Proto/Dark Man Stage 1 & 2 & 3 & 4]
97) MM6-[Stage Boss Theme]
98) MM10-[Dr. Wily Stage 4]
99) MM6-[Centaur Man Stage]
100) MM4-[Dr. Wily Battle Theme]

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101) MM8-[Dr. Wily Stage 4]
102) MM4-[Ending]
103) MM1-[Dr. Wily Stage 3 & 4]
104) MM5-[Gyro Man Stage]
105) MM3-[Password Screen]
106) MM7-[Turbo Man Stage]
107) MM4-[Dr. Cossack Stage 1 & 2]
108) MM10-[Bass Shop]
109) MM9-[Jewel Man Stage]
110) MM5-[Intro]
111) MM3-[Gemini Man & Doc Robot Stage 3]
112) MM10-[Credits]
113) MM8-[Dr. Light's Lab]
114) MM2-[Dr. Wily Stage 3 & 4 & 5]
115) MM6-[Stage Select]
116) MM8-[Dr. Wily Stage 1]
117) MM7-[Dr. Wily Stage 4]
118) MM3-[Hard Man Stage]
119) MM4-[Dust Man Stage]
120) MM7-[Dr. Wily Stage 3]

121) MM7-[Intro Stage]
122) MM3-[Ending 2]
123) MM3-[Weapon Upgrade]
124) MM5-[Star Man Stage]
125) MM8-[Dr. Wily Stage 3]
126) MM1-[Dr. Wily Stage 1 & 2]
127) MM7-[Dr. Wily Stage Boss Battle]
128) MM7-[Dr. Wily Stage 2]
129) MM5-[Crystal Man Stage]
130) MM10-[Proto Man Shop]
131) MM9-[Tornado Man Stage]
132) MM2-[Ending]
133) MM7-[Weapon Upgrade]
134) MM3-[Stage Select]
135) MM7-[Shade Man Stage]
136) MM7-[Slash Man Stage]
137) MM8-[Clown Man Stage]
138) MM8-[Search Man Stage]
139) MM7-[Intro]
140) MM6-[Ending]

141) MM7-[Stage Select]
142) MM10-[Pump Man Stage]
143) MM7-[Spring Man Stage]
144) MM9-[Stage Boss Battle]
145) MM10-[Stage Select]
146) MM9-[Stage Select]
147) MM6-[Start Screen]
148) MM6-[Wind Man Stage]
149) MM10-[Dr. Wily Stage 5]
150) MM6-[Intro]
151) MM1-[Stage Boss Battle Theme]
152) MM9-[Dr. Wily Battle]
153) MM9-[Ending]
154) MM4-[Intro 2]
155) MM4-[Stage Boss Battle Theme]
156) MM10-[Dr. Wily Battle 1]
157) MM3-[Stage Boss Theme]
158) MM9-[Dr. Wily Stage 4]
159) MM1-[Stage Select]
160) MM7-[Stage Boss Fight]

161) MM9-[Dr. Wily Stage 3]
162) MM1-[Dr. Wily Battle]
163) MM8-[Stage Boss Theme]
164) MM4-[Credits]
165) MM5-[Dr. Wily Battle]
166) MM2-[Stage Select]
167) MM7-[Auto's Shop]
168) MM3-[Dr. Wily Stage Boss Theme]
169) MM10-[Intro 3 "Suspicion"]
170) MM10-[Start Screen/Title Theme]
171) MM7-[Robot Museum Stage]
172) MM10-[Intro 2 "Future World"]
173) MM4-[Dr. Wily Stage 1 & 2]
174) MM4-[Intro 1]
175) MM5-[Weapon Upgrade]
176) MM10-[Weapon Upgrade]
177) MM5-[Password Screen]
178) MM5-[Stage Boss Battle Theme]
179) MM4-[Special Item]
180) MM8-[Dr. Wily Intro & Battle 1]

181) MM9-[Menu Screen]
182) MM8-[Dr. Wily Battle 2]
183) MM3-[Dr. Wily Stage 5 & 6]
184) MM10-[Main Menu]
185) MM10-[Intro 1 "Usual Day"]
186) MM6-[Weapon Upgrade]
187) MM5-[Stage Select]
188) MM2-[Weapon Upgrade]
189) MM9-[Title Screen]
190) MM4-[Password Screen]
191) MM2-[Password Screen]
192) MM8-[Weapon Upgrade]
193) MM4-[Stage Select]
194) MM4-[Weapon Upgrade]
195) MM7-[Password Screen]
196) MM7-[Dr. Light Lab Destroyed]
197) MM10-[Intro 4 "Go Together"]
198) MM10-[Crisis]
199) MM10-[Ending]
200) MM9-[Weapon Upgrade]

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Final Words

...

...

...well.

Um, I don't really have any atm.

This was fun to rank and I am thankful for my co-host. Kinda wish there were more participants in the discussion but there wasn't a whole lot of discussing of anything going on anyway.

Thanks Raetsel for lending your time here. Hope to see you in more topics in the future! =)
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Yeah, as soon as I learned our rankings were going to be combined, I figured that song had to get #1. It's the one song that everyone compares every other Mega Man song to: While it's not everyone's favorite (or either of our favorites, actually), it seems to get pretty high rankings from everyone.


Well, it's been fun. Once again, I thank Se7en for letting me join in on this and allowing me absolute freedom for ranking criteria, no matter how...abnormal I may have went. Like I said, I really wanted to work with him because I'm pretty sure he's the only person that would have put up with it. </.<
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