Board 8 > Tales of Berseria is pretty great

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LapisLazuli
05/27/17 6:19:57 PM
#51:


Jeff Zero posted...
I've seen it said that you play villains in this game. I'm not really into that idea, but if it's a greyer sort of thing, then that might be cool. What's the deal?


Ah, well...minor spoilers?

This game is a prequel to Zesteria, and in Zesteria she has gone down in history as a villain, but that's not the case. She's just really pissed off.
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LapisLazuli
05/27/17 6:21:58 PM
#52:


SwiftyDC posted...
The last Tales of games I played before Berseria was Graces F and Vesperia. Only thing I don't like about Berseria was the weapons/equipment system and how much you accumulate the same weapons over and over. Got tedious after awhile.


Yep, agreed. Graces still tops the rest in gameplay for me. Berseria is just the most complete package. Even Abyss, the only one I like more, doesn't hold up as great in gameplay.

Better than Symphonia does at least, lol.
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Jeff Zero
05/27/17 6:22:08 PM
#53:


Drakeryn posted...
You don't actually play as villains.

Slightly more spoilery but still vague: You're out for REVENGE against the man who murdered your brother. Only problem is, that man is currently hailed as the savior of the world...so opposing him means that you and your party are publicly reviled as villains. But it turns out that, unbeknownst to everyone, that man is actually a pretty bad dude.


Awesome. This sounds cool.

LapisLazuli posted...
Jeff Zero posted...
I've seen it said that you play villains in this game. I'm not really into that idea, but if it's a greyer sort of thing, then that might be cool. What's the deal?


Ah, well...minor spoilers?

This game is a prequel to Zesteria, and in Zesteria she has gone down in history as a villain, but that's not the case. She's just really pissed off.


Got it. Thanks.
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KamikazePotato
05/27/17 8:01:19 PM
#54:


I willl say this about the whole 'villains' thing:
you're not a 100% villain, but you're definitely not some sort of misunderstood hero. Your party doesn't really understand or care about the concept of 'collateral damage'.

Where I'm at, the guy I'm after legitimately seems like more of a hero than me, although the main character has extremely good reasons to be pissed at him.

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KamikazePotato
05/28/17 8:10:04 PM
#55:


The writing in this game is really good at times. I'm in the middle of the sidequest where Laphicet is trying to make the Omega Elixer to save his friend. It's a doomed venture - everyone knows it, probably even Laphicet. But he needs to try and refuses to give up hope. The game presents this as characterization and development for Laphicet, then ties it into Velvet's completely different motivation in a way that makes sense. Velvet knows that Laphi Prime is not coming back, even if she kills Artorius, but as she explains in one of her rare emotional outbursts, she does it because what else can she possibly do?

Off the top of my head, I can't think of any Tales writing that is as nuanced as Berseria's is, with the exception of Zelos from Symphonia. It's good stuff.

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KamikazePotato
05/28/17 8:19:18 PM
#56:


Oh and I also really like how Velvet's outward emotions have changed gradually over the game. In the beginning she was constantly dour and brooding and never expressed her emotions outside of rage and hatred. Then she opens up bit by bit as the game goes on and she finds people she can talk to and rely on. She goes from never being able to talk about Laphicet, then there's this one beautiful little moment halfway through the game where she starts talking about one time they spent together and then freezes as she realized what she just did. Eventually she becomes able to share stories of Laphicet with the others and even be a little happy when talking about him. Phi helps her come to terms with Laphicet's death, even as she eventually realizes that Phi is his own person and she can't use him as replacement for Laphi. Eleanor forces Velvet to develop some sense of morality, however small. And while she still tells her party members that they're tools to be used

The game never really draws attention to this. It just happens over time, gradually and naturally. She's still full of burning hatred and is willing to fuck up the world to get her revenge, but at the same time she feels much much less like the borderline animal she was after escaping Titania, and more like a well-rounded person. Demon. Whatever.

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greengravy294
05/28/17 8:46:02 PM
#57:


Velvet is probably my favorite leading lady in any game ever.

Also Bienfu isn't that bad. I even thought he was amusing. Kamoana on the other hand.........
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LapisLazuli
05/28/17 8:57:13 PM
#58:


I do like some of the writing in Abyss more, but Berseria's gets pretty great at times.
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KamikazePotato
05/29/17 3:38:52 AM
#59:


What the fuck Aball
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KamikazePotato
05/29/17 4:19:17 AM
#60:


This is messed up
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KamikazePotato
05/29/17 5:10:27 AM
#61:


It's late so this will be brief (wanted to keep playing), but that was easily the best part of the game so far. Ousted the intro which I figured would basically be impossible to beat considering the intro is the point of the entire game. When you pretty much know how something is going to go down and they play with your emotions like a damn fiddle regardless, it's good stuff. I feel like it more or less 'completed' the game for me, and as long as it doesn't get REALLY stupid from here on out I'll be very happy with the experience as a whole.
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LapisLazuli
05/29/17 10:32:52 AM
#62:


There's really only one flaw in the game left to experience, and it's not story related.
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foolm0r0n
05/29/17 10:48:36 AM
#63:


LapisLazuli posted...
Mac Arrowny posted...
Hmm, is Bienfu's voice worse in the dub or something?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHK3wGaHb8c


The rest of the cast is generally excellent, so....

holy FUCK that's enough to avoid the game entirely

That other girl (boy?) in the scene also has a terrible voice
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LapisLazuli
05/29/17 11:01:35 AM
#64:


You could just play it in Japanese, pretty sure the voice pack was free.

Laphicet's VA is....inconsistent.
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foolm0r0n
05/29/17 11:40:18 AM
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I feel like it might be a Madoka kind of situation where the Japanese is equally bad since the director specifically asked them to be annoying
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LapisLazuli
05/29/17 11:46:40 AM
#66:


Why are you like this :/
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foolm0r0n
05/29/17 11:51:24 AM
#67:


Like what
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LapisLazuli
05/29/17 11:54:27 AM
#68:


You know. I don't see a reason to get into that here.
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KamikazePotato
05/29/17 12:47:49 PM
#69:


foolm0r0n posted...
holy FUCK that's enough to avoid the game entirely

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but as much as I've poked fun at that voice throughout the topic it's not actually a dealbreaker of any sort. This is a very good game, and I say that as someone who's not a gigantic fan of the Tales series.


I turned up the difficulty to Intense. Boss fights actually feel like boss fights again! Still not hard but they're not pure combo food anymore.
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foolm0r0n
05/29/17 1:22:07 PM
#70:


KamikazePotato posted...
I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but as much as I've poked fun at that voice throughout the topic it's not actually a dealbreaker of any sort.

For an RPG that is dialogue heavy it kinda is. It was enough for me to stop watching Madoka at least.
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LapisLazuli
05/29/17 1:29:40 PM
#71:


You made a big deal about how you finished and hated Madoka.

Why are you like this.
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KamikazePotato
05/29/17 1:35:08 PM
#72:


foolm0r0n posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but as much as I've poked fun at that voice throughout the topic it's not actually a dealbreaker of any sort.

For an RPG that is dialogue heavy it kinda is. It was enough for me to stop watching Madoka at least.

That character isn't a major character and has no lines in important scenes. You can also just...fast-forward his lines by pressing A. The rest of the case does a very good job.

I mean, it's your call, but it's a really weird thing to get that hung up over to the point where you would skip a game. I hate the voice and it's not a real problem.
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LapisLazuli
05/29/17 1:39:10 PM
#73:


He's only saying that to bother me because I responded to him and he hates me for some reason.

Don't take it seriously.
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foolm0r0n
05/29/17 1:42:39 PM
#74:


I literally can't imagine someone being that self obsessed
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LapisLazuli
05/29/17 1:44:29 PM
#75:


Deny anything you want, I'm not really willing to argue. Not the topic for it.
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KommunistKoala
05/29/17 3:43:54 PM
#76:


The Japanese bienfu is fine.
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KamikazePotato
05/29/17 3:45:06 PM
#77:


I never play with Japanese VAs.
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LapisLazuli
05/29/17 3:47:10 PM
#78:


I'm generally not a fan of it for games if there's an option. I switched for the second P5 playthrough but I ended up skipping pretty much all dialogue anyways <_<

If there's no english track I don't mind playing subbed, though.
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colliding
05/29/17 7:44:09 PM
#79:


I loved this game. It's probably my personal favorite Tales game.
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KamikazePotato
05/31/17 1:13:15 AM
#80:


colliding posted...
I loved this game. It's probably my personal favorite Tales game.

It's easily my favorite so far. Some things (mostly as a result of what appears to be a low budget) bring it down and prevent it from being one of my all-time favorites, but the strengths are reeeeally strong.
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LapisLazuli
05/31/17 2:03:02 AM
#81:


Berseria is the only Tales game since Abyss to present me with characters, have me not think highly of them, and manage to turn it around exceptionally.
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NowItsAngeTime
06/02/17 3:54:26 AM
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Progress?
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NowItsAngeTime
06/02/17 3:55:05 AM
#83:


LapisLazuli posted...
Berseria is the only Tales game since Abyss to present me with characters, have me not think highly of them, and manage to turn it around exceptionally.


I loved all of them besides maybe Eleanor or Laphicet at the beginning
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LapisLazuli
06/02/17 9:19:40 AM
#84:


Well yeah, I didn't mean all of them.
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KamikazePotato
06/02/17 9:32:23 AM
#85:


NowItsAngeTime posted...
Progress?

Been busy. Going to play a lot tonight
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KamikazePotato
06/03/17 12:42:50 AM
#86:


Dear lord the shit hit the fan so hard and so quickly
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LapisLazuli
06/03/17 12:47:30 AM
#87:


Yeah there's some gooooood shit there. Good character moments.
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NowItsAngeTime
06/03/17 2:14:43 AM
#88:


KamikazePotato posted...
Dear lord the shit hit the fan so hard and so quickly


If it's what I think it is it , one of my favorite segments in the game
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KamikazePotato
06/03/17 2:34:27 AM
#89:


"STOP WHINING"!

10/10 segment of scenes. Actually the story in general has been 10/10 ever since Aball 2.0 happened. Think this is a good stopping point, I'm really tired as-is. Quick thoughts:

1. Phi you the best
2. Was I supposed to understand everything about Magilou's past with Melchior? It was vague and I don't think I comprehended all of it.
3. This entire game bets everything on executing Velvet's character well, and somehow that bet paid off. Props to the voice actress too.
4. I didn't know this was a prequel to Zestiria - also never played Zestiria, which explains why I sometimes feel like the game is talking about something I should already know about.
5. The piano song that plays in dramatic scenes is nice.
6. I'm glad the game didn't gloss over how Velvet would be the outright villain of the story if it wasn't for the whole "turn all humans into emotionless zombies" thing. Hell, even then it's close! I'm definitely interested to see how Velvet acts after this. She was brutally forced to examine all the awful things she did up to that point. She's still going to continue on with her mission because pain doesn't go away that easily, but...hmm.
7. I'm not entirely sold on Laphi being 'alive'. I was hoping the game wouldn't revive him in any way whatsoever, so that his death could remain a constant grounding element for the story. Stll, if they had to do it, this was the best possible way to go about it.
8. Arthur backstory scenes were good. Was internally hoping I got to see more before the story started to wrap up and there it is!
9. RIP Oscar and Teresa, that was actually really sad.
10. Phi you the best.
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BK_Sheikah00
06/03/17 8:49:42 AM
#90:


KamikazePotato posted...
2. Was I supposed to understand everything about Magilou's past with Melchior? It was vague and I don't think I comprehended all of it.

No. You just have to keep going.
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Shadow Dino
06/03/17 8:52:07 AM
#91:


Dunno if you're off Hex Island yet, but if you are...

Phi's Falcon Punch was outstanding.
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KamikazePotato
06/03/17 2:36:36 PM
#92:


Hey guys I found some pretty good Velvet fan art

https://pics.onsizzle.com/hey-anger-why-do-you-always-wear-that-mask-anger-3153754.png
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LapisLazuli
06/03/17 3:04:33 PM
#93:


KamikazePotato posted...
5. The piano song that plays in dramatic scenes is nice.


It's very notable surrounded by the rest of the mediocre OST.

The actual best song on the OST, Zaveid the Exile...is just ripped from Zesteria.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUPPJJAEAmk

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KamikazePotato
06/03/17 8:30:32 PM
#94:


It's amazing how many deus ex machinas Laphicet has that somehow don't feel cheap. Ability to sense earthpulses from across the world? Sure. Special anti-Immoninat powers? Fine by me. Can burn away malevolence? Why not. Can control his own exorcist? That too. None of it feels like a deus ex machina though. It just works.

Also this little baller sacrificed his compass without a second thought. What a surprisingly fantastic character.
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KamikazePotato
06/03/17 10:17:21 PM
#95:


nOT THE DOGS :(
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KamikazePotato
06/04/17 1:59:47 PM
#96:


I like how it takes 90% of the game for the party to do something that can be considered entirely heroic (a.k.a. resucing the Prince from being mind controlled. Magilou even comments on it!
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KamikazePotato
06/05/17 11:02:04 PM
#97:


Will be finishing the game sometime this week. Random aside: I really like the dream sequences. They're artistically strong and always provide character development for at least one person.
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KamikazePotato
06/08/17 1:29:46 PM
#98:


Berseria comment of the day: easily the best cast in the series.
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KommunistKoala
06/08/17 1:49:13 PM
#99:


Velvet > Magilou > Eleanor > Laphicet > Eizen > Rokurou

but yea they're all great
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LapisLazuli
06/08/17 2:01:11 PM
#100:


Magilou > Velvet > Eleanor > Eizen > Laphicet > Rokuro

KommunistKoala posted...
Velvet > Magilou > Eleanor > Laphicet > Eizan > Rokurou

but yea they're all great

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