Board 8 > Board 8 National Football League League (B8NFLL) Season 8: Regular Season

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If I live sim, it will likely be around the same time as Monday
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Out of curiosity what do other people do when lower rated players out perform their higher rated team mates?

Player 1 - 29 rec, 450 yards, 4 TDs last season / 6 rec, 68 yards, 1 TD this season
Player 2 - 12 rec, 160 yards, 1 TD last season / 8 rec, 62 yards, 2 TD this season
Player 3 - 31 rec, 244 yards, 1 TD last season / 3 rec, 73 yards, 0 TD this season

Player 1 is 77 rated (76 last season)
Player 2 is 80 rated (80 last season)
Player 3 is 82 rated (82 last season)

Like maybe it's slightly coverage related but it still baffles me. Especially as off rating alone I want to drop Player 1 and play Player 4 (an 80 rated 2nd rounder from last year)

I will play the higher rates every Time because as a concept, higher rating means higher chance of a good performance. Better performances by lower ratings are just chance.

Unless its like a really strong trend late in the season, then you probably want to ride the hot hand
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I leave the lower rated guy where they are because it is clearly working for them.

Maybe they are a Wes Welker type who just works better there.
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Will sim in about 25 minutes
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Hurray, I'll actually be here for it

the patriots are dead to me
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AI Scores

Redskins - 13
Pumpkins - 24

Rams - 19
Vikings - 31
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Dolphins - 24
Pioneers - 21

1st Quarter
Clayton 3 yard pass from Wilson

2nd Quarter
McGahee 1 yard run
Campbell passes of 17 and 3 yards from Keller

3rd Quarter
Aguayo 26 yard FG

4th Quarter
Ware 2 yard run
Rodgers 5 yard run

Notable Players
Dolphins QB Sam Keller 18-24, 185 yards, 2 TDs
Dolphins HB Jacquizz Rodgers 37 carries for 143 yards, 1 TD, 3 receptions for 33 yards
Dolphins WR Kelly Campbell 6 receptions for 34 yards, 2 TDs
Pioneers QB Mark Clayton 10 receptions for 97 yards, 1 TD
Pioneers P Chris Hanson 4 punts for 52.0 avg, 3 inside opp. 20
Dolphins OLB Daryl Smith 8 tackles, 1 INT
Dolphins DE Travis Johnson 3 tackles, 2 sacks
Pioneers OLB Eric Barton 8 tackles, 1 sack, 1 FF
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Titans - 33
Bears - 20

1st Quarter
Gould 24 yard FG
Lawson 1 yard run

2nd Quarter
C. Brown 17 yard pass from Carr
C. Brown 1 yard run
Colbert 6 yard pass from Freeman

3rd Quarter
Hawkins 19 yard pass from Freeman

4th Quarter
Gould FGs of 51, 54, and 43 yards
Walker 31 yard pass from Carr + failed 2 pointer

Notable Players
Titans QB Kirby Freeman 23-34, 273 yards, 2 TDs
Bears QB David Carr 16-30, 236 yards, 2 TDs, 2 INTs
Bears HB Chris Brown 21 carries for 103 yards, 1 TD, 1 reception for 17 yards, 1 TD
Bears WR Javon Walker 6 receptions for 102 yards, 1 TD
Titans K Robbie Gould 4-4 FGAs
Titans OLB Devonta Brown 6 tackles, 1 sack
Titans CB Will Allen 1 tackle, 2 INTs
Bears MLB Dan Morgan 25 tackles, 1 sack, 2 FFs
Bears DT Rien Long 5 tackles, 1 sack
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Wildcats - 10
Bills - 23

1st Quarter
Tucker 46 yard FG

2nd Quarter
Ferguson 10 yard pass from Quinn
Massey 21 yard pass from Vick
Edinger 29 yard FG
Tucker 37 yard FG

4th Quarter
Lymon 1 yard pass from Quinn
Tucker 28 yard FG

Notable Players
Wildcats QB Michael Vick 24-39, 281 yards, 1 TD, 1 rush for no gain
Bills QB Brady Quinn 28-40, 326 yards, 2 TDs
Bills K Justin Tucker 3-7 FGAs
Wildcats OLB Marcus Washington 10 tackles
Wildcats DE Eugene Germany 3 tackles, 2 sacks
Bills DE Michael Haynes 2 tackles, 2 sacks
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Seahawks - 13
Panthers - 10

1st Quarter
D. Jackson 2 yard pass from Palmer

2nd Quarter
Nendick 22 yard FG

3rd Quarter
Jones 36 yard FG
Nendick 50 yard FG
Cooley 6 yard pass from Ryan

Notable Players
Seahawks QB Carson Palmer 21-40, 163 yards, 1 TD, 2 INTs
Seahawks HB Justin Vincent 31 carries for 117 yards, 4 receptions for 46 yards
Panthers K Ben Jones 1-3 FGAs
Seahawks MLB Lofa Tatupu 10 tackles, 1 sack
Panthers MLB Jonathan Vilma 11 tackles, 1 sack
Panthers OLB Cato Junes 5 tackles, 1 INT
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Patriots - 24
Jets - 21

1st Quarter
Benson 3 yard run
R. Taylor 6 yard run

2nd Quarter
R. Taylor 10 yard run

3rd Quarter
Crosby 37 yard FG
Leggett 1 yard pass from McNeal

4th Quarter
B. Jackson 1 yard run
T. Johnson 2 yard pass from Brees

Notable Players
Patriots QB Reggie McNeal 20-34, 145 yards, 1 TD, 3 INTs, 11 rushes for 81 yards, 1 lost fumble
Jets HB Romance Taylor 19 carries for 80 yards, 2 TDs, 1 lost fumble, 4 receptions for 57 yards
Jets K Lawrence Tynes 0-2 FGAs
Patriots MLB Ken Reid 8 tackles, 1 FF
Patriots OLB Jason Babin 4 tackles, 1 sack, 1 FF
Patriots DE Cliff Avril 2 tackles, 2 sacks, 1 FF
Jets MLB Antonio Pierce 11 tackles
Jets DT Casey Hampton 8 tackles, 1 sack
Jets SS Justin Bethel 5 tackles, 1 INT
Jets OLB Novorro Bowman 1 tackle, 2 sacks
Jets DT Charles Alexander 1 tackle, 1 sack, 1 FF
Jets CB Drayton Florence 2 INTs
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Fingers crossed that tyrod was all my team needed to win

>__>
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Cowboys - 32
Steelers - 17

1st Quarter
Robinson 2 yard pass from Young

2nd Quarter
Folk FGs of 27 and 28 yards
McFadden 53 yard PR

3rd Quarter
Casey 1 yard pass from Grossman
Folk 46 yard FG
Chambers 36 yard pass from Grossman

4th Quarter
Graham 33 yard FG
Young 28 yard run + failed 2 pointer
Folk 31 yard FG

Notable Players
Cowboys QB Vince Young 19-32, 213 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 7 rushes for 69 yards, 1 TD
Steelers QB Rex Grossman 13-26, 187 yards, 2 TDs, 2 INTs
Steelers HB Jamario Thomas 27 carries for 126 yards
Steelers WR Chris Chambers 5 receptions for 123 yards, 1 TD
Cowboys OLB Julian Peterson 7 tackles, 1 INT
Cowboys DE Richard Seymour 4 tackles, 2 sacks, 1 FF
Steelers DT Marlon Favorite 3 tackles, 2 sacks
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Packers - 7
Colts - 20

2nd Quarter
Byrd 2 yard pass from B. Johnson
Hass 2 yard pass from B. Johnson
Reed 45 yard FG

4th Quarter
Reed 32 yard FG
Evans 2 yard pass from Bomar

Notable Players
Packers QB Rhett Bomar 8-12, 42 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT
Colts QB Brian Johnson 20-32, 149 yards, 2 TDs, 3 rushes for 19 yards, 1 lost fumble
Packers MLB Derrick Jordan 7 tackles, 2 sacks, 2 FFs
Colts OLB Napoleon Harris 5 tackles, 1 sack
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:(


At least someone broke something other than their tailbone this time >__>
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49ers - 35
Buccaneers - 35

1st Quarter
McCareins 60 yard pass from Big Ben
Bell 4 yard run

2nd Quarter
Bell 1 yard run
Givens passes of 31 and 38 yards from Brady
Brown 41 yard FG

3rd Quarter
Givens 8 yard pass from Brady
Bell 71 yard run

4th Quarter
Bell 14 yard run
Givens 29 yard pass from Brady + 2 pointer
Brown 28 yard FG

Notable Players
49ers QB Ben Roethlisberger 9-15, 122 yards, 1 TD
Bucs QB Tom Brady 35-51, 390 yards, 4 TDs
49ers HB Tatum Bell 53 carries for 298 yards, 4 TDs (NFL record rushing yards in a game)
Bucs WR David Givens 12 receptions for 157 yards, 4 TDs
49ers OLB Leroy Hill 13 tackles
49ers SS Coy Wire 9 tackles, 1 sack
Bucs MLB Andra Davis 14 tackles
Bucs OLB Nick Hollinsworth 10 tackles, 1 FF
Bucs DT John Henderson 5 tackles, 2 sacks
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wow
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Falcons - 22 OT
Lightning - 19

1st Quarter
L. Johnson 32 yard pass from Manning
Rackers 50 yard FG

2nd Quarter
Rucker 54 yard FG
Rackers 45 yard FG

3rd Quarter
Rackers 23 yard FG
Lane 13 yard pass from Rodgers
Rucker 47 yard FG

4th Quarter
Rucker FGs of 26 and 48 yards
Rackers 40 yard FG

OT
Rucker 38 yard FG

Notable Players
Falcons HB Willie Parker 25 carries for 123 yards, 1 fumble
Falcons WR Early Doucet 5 receptions for 103 yards
Falcons K LaRue Rucker 5-5 FGAs
Lightning K Neil Rackers 4-4 FGAs
Falcons OLB Kendrell Bell 8 tackles, 1 sack
Falcons OLB Jashon Sykes 6 tackles, 1 INT
Lightning OLB Saleem Rasheed 6 tackles, 1 FF
Lightning DE Justin Smith 5 tackles, 1 sack
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Chiefs - 34
Broncos - 23

1st Quarter
R. Williams 15 yard pass from Bulger
Leonard 4 yard run
Grier 47 yard FG

2nd Quarter
Leonard 7 yard run
Houshmandz 62 yard pass from Sullivan
Succop 30 yard FG

3rd Quarter
Succop 26 yard FG

4th Quarter
Houshmandz 5 yard pass from Bulger
Grier 48 yard FG
Succop 37 yard FG
Gonzalez 3 yard pass from Bulger

Notable Players
Chiefs QB Marc Bulger 11-18, 108 yards, 3 TDs
Broncos QB Daunte Culpepper 18-32, 199 yards, 2 INTs
Broncos HB LaMarcus Coker 19 carries for 107 yards, 4 receptions for 51 yards
Broncos FB Brian Leonard 15 carries for 71 yards, 2 TDs, 2 receptions for 10 yards
Chiefs WR T.J. Houshmandz 3 receptions for 69 yards, 2 TDs
Chiefs OLB E.J. Henderson 10 tackles, 1 sack
Chiefs MLB Odell Thurman 5 tackles, 1 FF
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Hawks - 13
Raiders - 38

1st Quarter
Cundiff 26 yard FG

2nd Quarter
Boldin 16 yard pass from Feeley
Cundiff 27 yard FG
Stevens 75 yard pass from Feeley
Manson 1 yard run

3rd Quarter
McCaleb 26 yard FG

4th Quarter
Greene 1 yard run + 2 pointer
T. Carter 95 yard KR
Bryant 5 yard pass from Feeley

Notable Players
Raiders QB A.J. Feeley 21-26, 244 yards, 3 TDs, 1 INT
Raiders HB Markus Manson 28 carries for 121 yards, 1 TD, 2 fumbles, 6 receptions for 35 yards
Hawks WR Roddy White 6 receptions for 107 yards
Raiders TE Jerramy Stevens 5 receptions for 110 yards, 1 TD
Hawks SS Roy Williams 11 tackles
Hawks OLB Landon Johnson 5 tackles, 1 FF
Raiders MLB Mychal Kendricks 6 tackles, 1 sack
Raiders OLB A.J. Hawk 5 tackles, 1 FF
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Ravens - 0
Bengals - 14

Bengals scored via:
Wilhoit FGs of 37 and 34 yards
Hill 2 yard pass from B. Smith + 2 pointer

Notable Players
Ravens QB Colt Brennan 7-18, 106 yards, 2 INTs
Bengals OLB Spencer Adkins 7 tackles, 1 sack, 1 INT
Bengals OLB Ryan Reynolds 6 tackles, 1 sack
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KCF's Week 4 Players of the Week**
Offense - 49ers HB Tatum Bell
Defense - Bears MLB Dan Morgan

Week 5 User vs User Matchups
Buccaneers (MZero) at Cowboys (Wiz)
Wildcats (prof) at Lions (Nee)
Steelers (Shattered) at Browns (stuntman)
Giants (Eddv) at Lightning (Kora)
Panthers (Emerald) at Falcons (mudders)

Game of the Week
Buccaneers at Cowboys

Byes
Patriots
Ravens
Redskins
Titans

Week 5 will be simmed on Monday, May 22nd. It will not be live (same with Week 6)

*Madden made incorrect choices, so I subbed in this week
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Nobody suffered an injury that required a roster move
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What were maddens choices
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For offense, it was Bucs WR David Givens, but Bell had twice as many yards as Givens, scored as many TDs, and set an NFL record, so Bell is really the only choice.

For defense, it was Pats OLB Jason Babin for reasons I can't even understand.
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Also i am glad to see my Ben Olson experiment seems to be going okayish.
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I think that he's fourth in the NFL in passer rating
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Rucker vs Rackers may have just had the most epic Kicker battle ever.
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Why did Brennan play instead of Jacobs?

Also this is just not a good season for me
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muddersmilk posted...

Rucker vs Rackers may have just had the most epic Kicker battle ever.

Oh man yeah
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WalkingWiki posted...

Why did Brennan play instead of Jacobs?

Also this is just not a good season for me

Jacobs did play. I just didn't deem his performance as notable
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I will trade you Grossman (4th best QB rating in the league!) for him!

The Pats hate continues. 4-0, after projected to be bottom of the division.

Taking away player awards. But that's fine. We dont need accolades, we will take the wins.

GO PATS!
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Alright then Jacobs
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Yeah Jukkie you've done real well for yourself so far, good job!

This tilt with the falcons is gonna be huge, would really like to steal a win here.
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If you're actually interested in trading Jacobs (8 INTs and 4 fumbles!), I could put together some sort of package. Your cap situation makes it hard

Actually, I'm just gonna stick with Jacobs for now -- if he continues playing like this in further weeks, then I'll be trading around
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Honestly his issue might be that he's throwing to some terrible WRs. Obviously your top 2 are good but bottom 2 WRs, especially your 4th are pretty low rated. That can't help interceptions

Question

If I have someone on a rookie contract who I know will hit RFA in the offseason. Can I renew his contract now to avoid that happening?

I have no idea. Lol the only rookie I have like that I want someone to take because I think he might fetch a late 1st rd pick if he progresses this offseason
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ShatteredElysium posted...

Question

If I have someone on a rookie contract who I know will hit RFA in the offseason. Can I renew his contract now to avoid that happening?

Yes
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Dear Mighty Thunder Ducks of Anaheim,

You're not playing hockey, stop losing close games
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Emeraldegg posted...

I have no idea. Lol the only rookie I have like that I want someone to take because I think he might fetch a late 1st rd pick if he progresses this offseason

Yeah there isn't anyway I want to lose an 86 OLB (former rookie of the year) who will hopefully get to 88-90 range by year end. Especially as he was drafted as a 76 rated 3rd rounder. Even for a 1st and a 3rd, I'd rather keep him. Not like highly rated OLBs are easy to come by

Yeah I'm jelly of that, did you play him at all his first few years? Or did he naturally take a 10 pt jump?
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Nobody naturally takes a 10 point leap in any kind of rating
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Dolphins Draft History

2006 Draft (Season 2)
1st Round (31st overall) - G Max Jean-Gilles
3rd (76th) - DE Matthew Rice
3rd (95thl) - SS Michael Huff
4th (99th) - P Tom Malone
4th (110th) - OT Daryn Colledge
6th (191st) - DT Manase Hopoi
7th (210th) - WR Jason Avant
7th (223rd) - C Nick Mangold

- Max has started every game since he was drafted and has reached maximum overall rating

- Rice sat behind two DEs who never missed a start and provided prototypical backup DE numbers in his four years as a Dolphin. He is one of the longest-tenured members of the free agent sheet.

- Huff, like Rice, sat behind someone who never missed a start, but backup SSs receive more snaps (probably due to special teams) and production than backup DEs. Thus, his rating gradually increased before he was traded to the Pumpkins for HB Jacquizz Rodgers in S7.

- Malone has been one of the best punters in the league since he joined and is the top-rated player at his position.

- Colledge was decent as a backup OT and like Rice was not retained after his four years with the club. He is currently a free agent

- Hopoi was strictly a pass-rusher as he had more sacks than tackles + FFs + FRs in his three or four seasons as a Dolphin. He later signed with the Broncos as a free agent, and has remained a #3 DT there.

- Avant was a decent #4 WR. He was not retained by the Dolphins after a few seasons with the club and fell victim to the annual Madden Free Agent Purge.

- Mangold, the second-to-last pick in the draft, was thrust into the starting lineup several times during his Dolphin career due to injuries. Unfortunately, the rise in rating made him crave a starting job. He was traded to the Browns in S6 along with a 5th rounder in exchange for G Andy Christensen and a 4th rounder. That eventually resulted in future transactions that resulted in an extra 1st rounder. Not bad for #223.
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Combination of things

Drafted as a 75 MLB
Converted to an OLB and went from 75 > 82 (so very lucky)
Rookie season (71 Tackles, 8 Sacks, 2 FR, 2 INT) - 82 > 84
Second season (63 Tackles, 10 Sacks, 3 FF, 1 FR, 1 INT) - 84 > 86

He started in his rookie season. He semi-rotated snaps with Babin last season (58 Tackles, 2 Sacks, 3 FF, 1 INT). Half the reason I rotated Babin was to give Tufts more playing time but also to give Galette (2nd rounder last year) more playing time.

Highest jump I've seen from one of my drafted players in a season was the 78 > 84 for McClain last year (34 Tackles, 6 Sacks, 3 FF, 2 FR, 1 INT). I'm sure others have seen similar as I look at some of the names I was interested in during drafts who are in 90's now (Calais Campbell springs to mind) and he was probably low 80's when drafted

I'm pretty sure Winston has seen a decent jump just from playtime and he was grabbed in FA rather than drafted. He's an 89 now and I snagged him 2 seasons ago in FA as a low-mid 80's (83-85 or so).

I think rookies with no playtime at best see like maybe a 1-2 jump. They have to play and perform well to see big jumps. I've tried to at least have my rookies as back-ups or somewhere in the depth chart so they see some sort of snaps rather than just sitting the year and getting nothing for that reason

KCF has explained it way better in the past. But basically players get larger jumps based on both individual stats plus being part of a productive units (even if they did not contribute much to the productivity). Which is why I assume the good teams keep getting because even their fringe players get jumps just by being a 'part' of a productive unit

Oh and KCF once told me about a player who was drafted/picked up as a 70 (or low 70's) Guard (I think) and progressed to a 90+ over the course of several years