Poll of the Day > Which software do you use as your word processor?

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Microsoft Office - Word.

I don't, word processors are kind of useless.

I guess you could consider HTML markup as my word processor language if anything.
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Dikitain posted...

I don't, word processors are kind of useless.

I guess you could consider HTML markup as my word processor language if anything.

Then how do you type up documents, forms, etc?

Google word or docs or whatever it is
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WastelandCowboy posted...

Dikitain posted...

I don't, word processors are kind of useless.

I guess you could consider HTML markup as my word processor language if anything.

Then how do you type up documents, forms, etc?

Like I said, HTML markup, that way I can share them with everyone and they don't need a special program for people to view/modify my document.

It has been like that in businesses for years, no one uses Word anymore. I haven't even touched the Word program on my work laptop and I have had it for about 6 months now.
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Dikitain posted...

WastelandCowboy posted...

Dikitain posted...

I don't, word processors are kind of useless.

I guess you could consider HTML markup as my word processor language if anything.

Then how do you type up documents, forms, etc?

Like I said, HTML markup, that way I can share them with everyone and they don't need a special program for people to view/modify my document.

It has been like that in businesses for years, no one uses Word anymore. I haven't even touched the Word program on my work laptop and I have had it for about 6 months now.

You write documents in HTML Markup? You know you can just use Word and export to HTML right?
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acesxhigh posted...

Dikitain posted...

WastelandCowboy posted...

Dikitain posted...

I don't, word processors are kind of useless.

I guess you could consider HTML markup as my word processor language if anything.

Then how do you type up documents, forms, etc?

Like I said, HTML markup, that way I can share them with everyone and they don't need a special program for people to view/modify my document.

It has been like that in businesses for years, no one uses Word anymore. I haven't even touched the Word program on my work laptop and I have had it for about 6 months now.

You write documents in HTML Markup? You know you can just use Word and export to HTML right?

But why do that when I can just write things in HTML markup with Notepad ++ or Jive?
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Uhhh efficiency?
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Dikitain posted...

It has been like that in businesses for years, no one uses Word anymore.

Um...

What?

acesxhigh posted...

Uhhh efficiency?

It is pretty inefficient to use Word to collaborate on a document when that document needs to be on my hard drive in order to make changes to it.

With HTML it can exist on an external server and we can both make modifications to it and see those modifications in real time.
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Then use Google Drive dude
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Dikitain posted...

acesxhigh posted...

Uhhh efficiency?

It is pretty inefficient to use Word to collaborate on a document when that document needs to be on my hard drive in order to make changes to it.

With HTML it can exist on an external server and we can both make modifications to it and see those modifications in real time.

You can do literally the same thing with a shared file in OneDrive. Create a file in Word or Excel, save it to your OneDrive, share it to friends and coworkers, and it's all stored on Microsoft's cloud where everyone who has r/w access to it can make modifications and you can all see those modifications in real time.

WastelandCowboy posted...

Dikitain posted...

acesxhigh posted...

Uhhh efficiency?

It is pretty inefficient to use Word to collaborate on a document when that document needs to be on my hard drive in order to make changes to it.

With HTML it can exist on an external server and we can both make modifications to it and see those modifications in real time.

You can do literally the same thing with a shared file in OneDrive. Create a file in Word or Excel, save it to your OneDrive, share it to friends and coworkers, and it's all stored on Microsoft's cloud.

But then that file is binary, and I am forced to use Microsoft's software to collaborate on that document. What if I am working on sensitive information that can't be shared on the cloud due to contractual obligations?

What if the person I am sharing the document with doesn't have access to Microsoft software due to their region blocking OneDrive as a security risk?
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acesxhigh posted...

Then use Google Drive dude

Google drive is a cloud server, that is unusable with sensitive information and doing so would cause legal repercussions. I would probably go to jail if I did that.
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Man, dikitain sure is defensive about his html markup
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Muscles posted...

Man, dikitain sure is defensive about his html markup

It's almost like he's a software engineer and might know what the fuck he's talking about.

Dikitain posted...

WastelandCowboy posted...

Dikitain posted...

acesxhigh posted...

Uhhh efficiency?

It is pretty inefficient to use Word to collaborate on a document when that document needs to be on my hard drive in order to make changes to it.

With HTML it can exist on an external server and we can both make modifications to it and see those modifications in real time.

You can do literally the same thing with a shared file in OneDrive. Create a file in Word or Excel, save it to your OneDrive, share it to friends and coworkers, and it's all stored on Microsoft's cloud.

But then that file is binary, and I am forced to use Microsoft's software to collaborate on that document. What if I am working on sensitive information that can't be shared on the cloud due to contractual obligations?

What if the person I am sharing the document with doesn't have access to Microsoft software due to their region blocking OneDrive as a security risk?

You make good arguments on not using Microsoft Office in regards to sensitive information and region-blocks, and in those situations, yeah, alternative sources of creating files like HTML would work perfectly.

However, for most other situations, like day-to-day documents, spreadsheets, powerpoint presentations, creating PDFs, and sharing these files with others who have MS Office, MS Office works like a charm.

Although, I have to draw back attention to your comment that "no one uses Word anymore". That's factually wrong.

https://news.microsoft.com/bythenumbers/index.html

Over one billion users using Microsoft Office is far from "no one".

In my 10 years of admin experience at several companies, Office (Word) software is the standard for text document creation and editing.

My years at Microsoft Licensing doing their MSLI contracts also lead me to believe that Office is still widely used. At least it's widely paid for.
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Notepad. If I must format it, Wordpad.
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Dikitain posted...

acesxhigh posted...

Uhhh efficiency?

It is pretty inefficient to use Word to collaborate on a document when that document needs to be on my hard drive in order to make changes to it.

With HTML it can exist on an external server and we can both make modifications to it and see those modifications in real time.

Uhhhh-huh. I guess group drives and shared documents don't exist in your world.
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Blaqthourne posted...

Dikitain posted...

acesxhigh posted...

Uhhh efficiency?

It is pretty inefficient to use Word to collaborate on a document when that document needs to be on my hard drive in order to make changes to it.

With HTML it can exist on an external server and we can both make modifications to it and see those modifications in real time.

Uhhhh-huh. I guess group drives and shared documents don't exist in your world.

The absolutely do.

My company hosts a Jive server that contains all of our documentation which as I mentioned before is in HTML markup. This server essentially functions like a social media hub where it hosts documents, blogs, picture repositories, status updates, group pages, etc. Now granted this is a larger company with hundreds of thousands of employees in over 100 countries so we can afford to host our own version of "corporate Facebook", but I understand most companies don't. Hell, the one I worked at before was a company of less then a thousand people. In those cases it is usually better to host a Wikimedia server on a development box. Basically, the same technology used in Wikipedia.

There is also the ability to setup a github on your computer if you want to share documents that way. It also gives you version control and the ability to merge when two people make an edit at the same time.
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Dikitain posted...

Blaqthourne posted...

Dikitain posted...

acesxhigh posted...

Uhhh efficiency?

It is pretty inefficient to use Word to collaborate on a document when that document needs to be on my hard drive in order to make changes to it.

With HTML it can exist on an external server and we can both make modifications to it and see those modifications in real time.

Uhhhh-huh. I guess group drives and shared documents don't exist in your world.

The absolutely do.

My company hosts a Jive server that contains all of our documentation which as I mentioned before is in HTML markup. This server essentially functions like a social media hub where it hosts documents, blogs, picture repositories, status updates, group pages, etc. Now granted this is a larger company with hundreds of thousands of employees in over 100 countries so we can afford to host our own version of "corporate Facebook", but I understand most companies don't. Hell, the one I worked at before was a company of less then a thousand people. In those cases it is usually better to host a Wikimedia server on a development box. Basically, the same technology used in Wikipedia.

There is also the ability to setup a github on your computer if you want to share documents that way. It also gives you version control and the ability to merge when two people make an edit at the same time.

Awesome, sounds like the company has done well for itself.

WastelandCowboy posted...

Although, I have to draw back attention to your comment that "no one uses Word anymore". That's factually wrong.

https://news.microsoft.com/bythenumbers/index.html

Over one billion users using Microsoft Office is far from "no one".

Dikitain posted...

Blaqthourne posted...

Dikitain posted...

acesxhigh posted...

Uhhh efficiency?

It is pretty inefficient to use Word to collaborate on a document when that document needs to be on my hard drive in order to make changes to it.

With HTML it can exist on an external server and we can both make modifications to it and see those modifications in real time.

Uhhhh-huh. I guess group drives and shared documents don't exist in your world.

The absolutely do.

My company hosts a Jive server that contains all of our documentation which as I mentioned before is in HTML markup. This server essentially functions like a social media hub where it hosts documents, blogs, picture repositories, status updates, group pages, etc. Now granted this is a larger company with hundreds of thousands of employees in over 100 countries so we can afford to host our own version of "corporate Facebook", but I understand most companies don't. Hell, the one I worked at before was a company of less then a thousand people. In those cases it is usually better to host a Wikimedia server on a development box. Basically, the same technology used in Wikipedia.

There is also the ability to setup a github on your computer if you want to share documents that way. It also gives you version control and the ability to merge when two people make an edit at the same time.

so...the cloud.

you guys have your own cloud server
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Mostly vim, gedit, and nedit.
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Dikitain posted...

Blaqthourne posted...

Dikitain posted...

acesxhigh posted...

Uhhh efficiency?

It is pretty inefficient to use Word to collaborate on a document when that document needs to be on my hard drive in order to make changes to it.

With HTML it can exist on an external server and we can both make modifications to it and see those modifications in real time.

Uhhhh-huh. I guess group drives and shared documents don't exist in your world.

The absolutely do.

*snip*

Then maybe your company shouldn't have purchased the MSOffice license (which I'm pretty sure doesn't exist) that doesn't allow Word documents to be stored on non-local drives.
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Notepad for FAQs and stuff only I'll reference normally.

Microsoft Word for​ assignments and such, plus whatever is necessary but undoable in Notepad. Google Docs sometimes too on that note.
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Blaqthourne posted...

Dikitain posted...

Blaqthourne posted...

Dikitain posted...

acesxhigh posted...

Uhhh efficiency?

It is pretty inefficient to use Word to collaborate on a document when that document needs to be on my hard drive in order to make changes to it.

With HTML it can exist on an external server and we can both make modifications to it and see those modifications in real time.

Uhhhh-huh. I guess group drives and shared documents don't exist in your world.

The absolutely do.

*snip*

Then maybe your company shouldn't have purchased the MSOffice license (which I'm pretty sure doesn't exist) that doesn't allow Word documents to be stored on non-local drives.

Not quite sure I understand.

My company has an MSOffice license for Microsoft Exchange, which we use for our e-mail server (which we also host our own). Word just happens to come along with it because it comes along with all MSOffice purchases.

We used to have Webmail Exchange, but we found a security loophole so we no longer use the web client.
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helIy posted...

so...the cloud.

you guys have your own cloud server

Yes, but the point was we would never use a public cloud. That is incredibly in-secure and could cause major security issues. Our cloud is only accessible through a special VPN.
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Dikitain posted...

It is pretty inefficient to use Word to collaborate on a document when that document needs to be on my hard drive in order to make changes to it.

What exactly do you mean by that? Since when can you NOT edit a Word document that is located on a network drive?
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Blaqthourne posted...

Dikitain posted...

It is pretty inefficient to use Word to collaborate on a document when that document needs to be on my hard drive in order to make changes to it.

What exactly do you mean by that? Since when can you NOT edit a Word document that is located on a network drive?

You have to download the document from the network drive in order to edit it, and if someone happens to be editing it at the same time then those changes could be overwritten once you put them back. You can use a program like Sharepoint to lock the document so that other people can't check it out, but that isn't collaborative in the least.

With what I described though, two people can edit a document at the same time, and in some cases you can even open a chat window with those people within the same web browser you are using to edit and discuss how you are collaborating on the document.
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Dikitain posted...

It has been like that in businesses for years, no one uses Word anymore.

WastelandCowboy posted...

Although, I have to draw back attention to your comment that "no one uses Word anymore". That's factually wrong.

https://news.microsoft.com/bythenumbers/index.html

Over one billion users using Microsoft Office is far from "no one".

WastelandCowboy posted...

Dikitain posted...

It has been like that in businesses for years, no one uses Word anymore.

WastelandCowboy posted...

Although, I have to draw back attention to your comment that "no one uses Word anymore". That's factually wrong.

https://news.microsoft.com/bythenumbers/index.html

Over one billion users using Microsoft Office is far from "no one".

I don't know why you keep posting that since Office is not just Word.

Office includes Exchange, OneNote (which I use all the time), Powerpoint, Excel, Access, etc. That is like saying billions of people use Internet Explorer because it comes with Windows even though any usage statistic will tell you that is not the case.
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Dikitain posted...

WastelandCowboy posted...

Dikitain posted...

It has been like that in businesses for years, no one uses Word anymore.

WastelandCowboy posted...

Although, I have to draw back attention to your comment that "no one uses Word anymore". That's factually wrong.

https://news.microsoft.com/bythenumbers/index.html

Over one billion users using Microsoft Office is far from "no one".

I don't know why you keep posting that since Office is not just Word.

Office includes Exchange, OneNote (which I use all the time), Powerpoint, Excel, Access, etc. That is like saying billions of people use Internet Explorer because it comes with Windows even though any usage statistic will tell you that is not the case.

I'm well-aware that Office doesn't consist of just Word.

I'm trying to point out that you were wrong when you claimed that "no one uses Word anymore."

It's one of the most widely-used word processing software in the world. That's a far cry from "no one".

In any case, I know I'm being obnoxious with this. Your statement just didn't sit right with me.

WastelandCowboy posted...

Dikitain posted...

WastelandCowboy posted...

Dikitain posted...

It has been like that in businesses for years, no one uses Word anymore.

WastelandCowboy posted...

Although, I have to draw back attention to your comment that "no one uses Word anymore". That's factually wrong.

https://news.microsoft.com/bythenumbers/index.html

Over one billion users using Microsoft Office is far from "no one".

I don't know why you keep posting that since Office is not just Word.

Office includes Exchange, OneNote (which I use all the time), Powerpoint, Excel, Access, etc. That is like saying billions of people use Internet Explorer because it comes with Windows even though any usage statistic will tell you that is not the case.

I'm well-aware that Office doesn't consist of just Word.

I'm trying to point out that you were wrong when you claimed that "no one uses Word anymore."

It's one of the most widely-used word processing software in the world. That's a far cry from "no one".

You have yet to prove that though, all you have shown is that tons of people use Office.

Well, yea, I like Office. OneNote is great, Exchange still remains one of the best e-mail programs, Access is a pretty good introductory database system.

Word is useless though.
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SoftMaker TextMaker
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Dikitain posted...

You have yet to prove that though

Dikitain posted...

all you have shown is that tons of people use Office.

Dikitain posted...

that tons of people use Office

Dikitain posted...

tons of people

Dikitain posted...

tons

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of

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people

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I do lots of writing and editing. I'm most comfortable doing it on Microsoft Office Word. I still have the 2007 version, though, because I see no reason to "upgrade."
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Dikitain posted...

You have to download the document from the network drive in order to edit it, and if someone happens to be editing it at the same time then those changes could be overwritten once you put them back. You can use a program like Sharepoint to lock the document so that other people can't check it out, but that isn't collaborative in the least.

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Our office uses documents on the network all the time. Word documents. They cannot be simultaneously edited, but you can load from and save directly to the network drive. if someone else wants to load the current document they can open it in read-only mode, and from there you can save and edit it.

it's not collaborative, but the vast majority of word docs I've used in business have no reason to be. There are other programs for collaboration.
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I use Microsoft Word.
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>guy posts an honest response
>gets lynched because why the fuck not pick a fight over MS Word
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Apache OpenOffice Writer for home (with Notepad for various thoughts, etc), MS Word while at a work PC.

Dikitain posted...

It has been like that in businesses for years, no one uses Word anymore. I haven't even touched the Word program on my work laptop and I have had it for about 6 months now.

Which depends entirely on your business, since most office settings rely on Word... In fact, I've never run into an office that didn't use that as a primary.

Doctor Foxx posted...

Dikitain posted...

You have to download the document from the network drive in order to edit it, and if someone happens to be editing it at the same time then those changes could be overwritten once you put them back. You can use a program like Sharepoint to lock the document so that other people can't check it out, but that isn't collaborative in the least.

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Our office uses documents on the network all the time. Word documents. They cannot be simultaneously edited, but you can load from and save directly to the network drive. if someone else wants to load the current document they can open it in read-only mode, and from there you can save and edit it.

it's not collaborative, but the vast majority of word docs I've used in business have no reason to be. There are other programs for collaboration.

Yeah, I'm not sure what the hell Dikitain is even talking about. I've worked for quite a few companies over the years -- including a ghetto one which just used Dropbox for its network -- and not one worked like he described. Honestly, what he's talking about sounds more along the lines of something like Basecamp than an actual network.
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Microsoft Word 2000. I also have the 2007 version for DOCX files, I just prefer the classic version layout.
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Microsoft Notepad 6.1, for the last ~7 years.
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Word on computer mainly for my online classes, Word on my iPad for writing stories.
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I use Jarte for the bulk of my writing, but I also use Edit Pad Lite if I need to include HTML. Then again, I got my start in Notepad and Wordpad, the predecessors to those programs. ... I do not miss the file size limit that Notepad used to have.

If I need to operate in a Word-style environment (which I detest), I use either Open Office or Libre Office, whichever one is annoying me less.
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