Board 8 > Mercenaries 4 Mafia Topic 4: where is results

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Who else was in ultis safe list?

I am assuming mods are scum but also considered quitters. That saying since Sir Chris was on Ultis safe list it kind of eliminates that as he quit.

Who else was on it?
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Sir Chris
Jeffrey Raze
ScareChan
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So mods have to be the scum flavor then.
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Jeff quit and got replaced, scare got eliminated for the record

so it's not conclusive either way
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Someone who is smart enough to compile a list should see if jeezy, Jeff, chris, scare all lacked a 7 a day. How many 7 a day mercs were there? Could be owners of 7 a days.

Nevermind I am trdl and he had bayonetta. Not keeping the split as deadset as mods until one flips tho.
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Alright, I've stayed up way later than I should have and I just finished topic 2 >.< So here's my rough analysis which will get more detailed when I finally finish:

If Death is scum then Chris is town.

I slightly lean scum on Death.

Mzero is kind of a rising star. He's not out of my scummy books yet, but it's a promising horizon.

I explained Johnbob above.

Based purely off actions, IGCD is scummy. The only redeeming quality has is his whole stubbornness streak on weird plays. Not sure if that's even redeeming tbqh.

Shad and Ed are like black holes to me. Corrik at least reads Shad as town, so there's a plus. Ed... come on man. Going to bed.
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If Death is scum then Chris is town.

uhhhhhhhhhhh
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Corrik posted...

Someone who is smart enough to compile a list should see if jeezy, Jeff, chris, scare all lacked a 7 a day. How many 7 a day mercs were there? Could be owners of 7 a days.

Nevermind I am trdl and he had bayonetta. Not keeping the split as deadset as mods until one flips tho.

Jeezy had KOS-MOS. Scare had Dante.
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Oddity posted...

Alright, I've stayed up way later than I should have and I just finished topic 2 >.< So here's my rough analysis which will get more detailed when I finally finish:

If Death is scum then Chris is town.

I slightly lean scum on Death.

Mzero is kind of a rising star. He's not out of my scummy books yet, but it's a promising horizon.

I explained Johnbob above.

Based purely off actions, IGCD is scummy. The only redeeming quality has is his whole stubbornness streak on weird plays. Not sure if that's even redeeming tbqh.

Shad and Ed are like black holes to me. Corrik at least reads Shad as town, so there's a plus. Ed... come on man. Going to bed.

Scare not shad
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Feeling like crap. Give me a bit before I get into it

##Vote: Kanz

Not sure if I buy corrik as cop, flavor wise still tring to think if there is a better fit or not, but I really like corrik day 1 and he's earned my sword to see where this goes
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btw corrik

walk me through this one

how exactly does trdl qualify as cop? Because his 'thing' was being super naive and assuming the best of everyone. That's why he resigned after that match with DC, he started thinking me and GANON were voting dishonestly and couldn't take it.
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Last before bed check:

KanzarisKelshen posted...

If Death is scum then Chris is town.

uhhhhhhhhhhh

Dammit, how could I forget Chris is dead. I really only paid attention to VI because he was my scumspect. Again, I'm super good guys. That read doesn't go both ways, btw. Death is scummier because Chris is town, but it isn't necessarily so.
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

btw corrik

walk me through this one

how exactly does trdl qualify as cop? Because his 'thing' was being super naive and assuming the best of everyone. That's why he resigned after that match with DC, he started thinking me and GANON were voting dishonestly and couldn't take it.

Cops do not like dishonest, nefarious deeds, sir.
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Cops do not like dishonest, nefarious deeds, sir.

That's a weak-ass explanation and you know it >_>

Like if you asked me what role trdl should have I would have said either naive cop (AKA vanilla--) or some kinda mason of some sort. Cop just doesn't make much sense, whereas something like drak as spectator or Jeezy as...whatever RNJesus is, fits perfectly on what i'd expect them to be. Be honest with me - are you really cop or just fronting to pursue a scumread?
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

Cops do not like dishonest, nefarious deeds, sir.

That's a weak-ass explanation and you know it >_>

Like if you asked me what role trdl should have I would have said either naive cop (AKA vanilla--) or some kinda mason of some sort. Cop just doesn't make much sense, whereas something like drak as spectator or Jeezy as...whatever RNJesus is, fits perfectly on what i'd expect them to be. Be honest with me - are you really cop or just fronting to pursue a scumread?

I have scanned you guilty. Sorry about your luck. Maybe next game.
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It's really late and I'm gonna be honest I was lazy about looking into Eaed's posts, partially because I thought I had a non-zero chance of dying partially cause I was busy most of today anyway-- Wednesday night would've been an okay time to do it but I was like "xfd are you SERIOUS" when I saw Ulti. Just blew my mind I'm not even sure why you'd fakeclaim as survivor? Maybe there's some nuance to this version that made the play make something resembling sense, but how can you be so bad at this game.

Oh and yeah I believe that Corrik is cop for a few reasons, but even if I didn't Kanzaris was scummy enough yesterday beyond global taunt status that I'd just gamble on it anyway.

Don't really see the need to rush out a vote yet though. At least not till I have slept and get all the rest of the day 1 thoughts out.
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I don't have much to add right now/. I do want to hear from Eaed, Jaded, and Shad today. They did nothing yesterday and got a day 1 pass, but day 2 pass not so much. I like IGCD a bit better today so far.

I'm going to bed in a bit so I am taking my vote off for safety since I don't want day to end before I get back up. After Rulerbob I have no trust in hammers.

##Unvote: Kanz
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Lopen so town it hurts.
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a bit of a headache today, so taking it easy for now
but the one thing I am wondering about Corrik/Kanz is why scum wouldnt just use a RB on Corrik on night1?
because its not like they had better targets, I think
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Around for roughly 20ish minutes I'm hoping (need to get going and running late :P)
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So I wanna talk about Ben real quick. When I was reading yesterday there were two things that Ben did that really struck me the wrong way.

His miller claim. The way he reacted I understand it was like a joke but they way it was countered and he got all defensive about it really made me tilt my head in suspicion. Like I totally believe the thought process that he thought he saw PJ on his safelist and thought this is an easy claim. But then he tries to walk it back with my second concern of 'I will scan as town.' To me, this feels like scum accidentally claiming their godfather. I don't know Ben enough to know if he is that stupid or not.

Now, Death claiming PJ takes away most of that first half but I still really don't like that second half and I would like to see a claim from Ben.

##Vote: Ben
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Btw, my son is feeling better and my project at work has been turned in so I should be good to go.
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sometimes scum don't get an rb. Uncommon but possible.
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Ah, that scan town comment from ben. That's the thing I don't think says anything about alignment. I guess it's a personal call.
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To me it felt like a slip
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ed top 3 scumspects?
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Oddity posted...

Based purely off actions, IGCD is scummy. The only redeeming quality has is his whole stubbornness streak on weird plays. Not sure if that's even redeeming tbqh.

Nice and vauge, hoping people blindly accept this. What actions and when? Don't be lazy and post your evidence.
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So coming into today I was thinking

Ben, Corrik, and Leo.

Ben like I had talked about. Corrik because unlike CT he seems fairly active this game. Leo because I have experienced the inactive Leo being scum thing.

That being said Corrik said he got a guilty scan off of Kanz and while I thought it was a tell that he was being active unlike in CT I would like to see a follow up on this as well.

So I would say that the true three are probably: Ben, Leo, Kanz.
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Shut up IGCD and read the first part of my post. Full analysis to come after reading the full game.
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Oddity posted...

Shut up IGCD and read the first part of my post. Full analysis to come after reading the full game.

Wow, seems like a bit of an over reaction.
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you come off like an asshole tbqh. Also, top 3 scumspects? Well... I guess kanz and corrik are up there but the third?
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Going now. Cyas later.
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Oddity posted...

you come off like an asshole tbqh. Also, top 3 scumspects? Well... I guess kanz and corrik are up there but the third?

How so? I'm not the one posting vague bullshit trying to throw another player under the bus with no evidence. Trying to change the subject?
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Tag.
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Haha, just kidding, I demand claims

##Vote: Kanz
##Vote2: Kanz
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Assuming someone like Shad doesn't come back and counter Corrik, I think it's safe to take it as legit.

In hindsight, when I said Corrik was acting way different from last game, it makes sense if he is a Cop this game.

##vote: Kanz

It also fits with what I said earlier, I'm guessing Oddity "believed" Corrik was Cop because he's Kanz' sxummate.
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Leo3L posted...

Haha, just kidding, I demand claims

##Vote: Kanz
##Vote2: Kanz

Also come on Leo <_< can we get just a little more?
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I forgot Leo was double voter. I guess that makes him town.
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Votals
[6] Kanz - Corrik, Oddity, MZero, (Scare), Leo, Leo2, Tony
[1] Ben - eaed
[1] eaed - Kanz
[1] Corrik - IGCD

8 to lynch, day ends on 4/8/2017 at 11PM EDT.
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Nah, I'm going to work

I'd still lynch Ben
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I took Oddity believing Corrik as Oddity still not being used to Corriks play and immediately thinking Corriks vote was equal to a guilty scan on Kanz
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also be careful not to put Kanz at -1
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I just want claims. Poking holes in power claims is my jam. I ain't got time to yell at people until they break down. I voted Ulti for claiming untargetable. Town should never claim that, or bulletproof. It's a handy heuristic. I ignored all his posts shouting at Corrik.

Claims with night actions that don't add up are the best way to find scum. And if they all claim vanilla, that's favorable too.
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Leo3L posted...

I just want claims. Poking holes in power claims is my jam. I ain't got time to yell at people until they break down. I voted Ulti for claiming untargetable. Town should never claim that, or bulletproof. It's a handy heuristic. I ignored all his posts shouting at Corrik.

Claims with night actions that don't add up are the best way to find scum. And if they all claim vanilla, that's favorable too.

I'll give you my claim after we see how long Corrik lives.
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huh
I remember scumLeo being pushy
good thing I know you're a doublevoter at least
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

Leo3L posted...

I just want claims. Poking holes in power claims is my jam. I ain't got time to yell at people until they break down. I voted Ulti for claiming untargetable. Town should never claim that, or bulletproof. It's a handy heuristic. I ignored all his posts shouting at Corrik.

Claims with night actions that don't add up are the best way to find scum. And if they all claim vanilla, that's favorable too.

I'll give you my claim after we see how long Corrik lives.

What
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Man how can scum Leo be pushy AND inactive????

Just kidding I know it's a result of my plan to act randomly as any alignment so it's not super easy to tell when I'm scum
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I'm with Tony. I don't get what IGCD was saying in that post. Is he even being pressured?
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I think IGCD was promising to buy the fantasy drinking card game I sell in my sig imo

Actually I don't know what he's implying. Some kind of soft power claim I guess.
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eaedwards6400 posted...

So I wanna talk about Ben real quick. When I was reading yesterday there were two things that Ben did that really struck me the wrong way.

His miller claim. The way he reacted I understand it was like a joke but they way it was countered and he got all defensive about it really made me tilt my head in suspicion. Like I totally believe the thought process that he thought he saw PJ on his safelist and thought this is an easy claim. But then he tries to walk it back with my second concern of 'I will scan as town.' To me, this feels like scum accidentally claiming their godfather. I don't know Ben enough to know if he is that stupid or not.

Now, Death claiming PJ takes away most of that first half but I still really don't like that second half and I would like to see a claim from Ben.

The comedy option is pjb IS on the safelist and Ben and Death are both scum, and Death claimed that just to get the heat off of him....

...actually there might be something there. It's possible that Ben claimed like that intentionally and set it up so that if another miller claimed they could easily pass it off as a joke, but if not they could ride the claim out (as seen by half the players believing it and half realizing it was a joke). It could also explain Death's awkward reaction to the claim.

Is there an archive of topic 1? It purged already...
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