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KanzarisKelshen
04/05/17 9:39:20 PM
#401:


So anyway - the drak flavor. For context, Drakeryn is the Mercenaries 3 champion, the one who took the crown before me. M3 was a game of such blatant and heavy rigging of votes and rule-ignoring conspiracies and admin neglect that Drak decided to withdraw from the playerbase afterward, disgusted with what he'd done to win and what the game had become. He returned for M4, but as a voter and observer. He talked with everyone, and compiled his trademark Mercs Journal (TM), which are always super fun to read about after a game has ended. In this sense, the Drak claim as survivor fits.

The catch is, there's reasons for it to not fit whether you go with a theoretical Meeting Room scumteam flavor, or an admin team one (and these are the flavors that 'make sense' thus far). Drak was the man I most confided in, and he was very solidly in my corner during most of the game as a voter - not like, a rigged vote by any stretch, but him, HGR and to some extend trdl, Lopen and Alany were my core vote base, and he was the guy I challenged to a post-finals exhibition match (which never happened ;_; ). Drak was also one of the people issuing rulings for the admin team during the home stretch - @Lopen can confirm that he was consulted often because he had a very rules-as-written approach, contrast with how Luis and numbers were more rules-as-intended. he did more than Dante for the admin team I think, so he would actually make a fair amount of sense as scum if gravy is aware of this. I don't know if he is. This isn't a claim that 'stinks', but it's not something I'd like to leave lying around either.

@UltimaterializerX for whatever it's worth, I don't think you're being attacked for activity or inactivity - Shad and Tony have had solid excuses for inactivity for these couple days, arguably better than even what I've had to say about my absences, but they're not getting a pass on day 2. One day is enough to sort your shit out or ask for a replace if you're gonna lurk, TBQH. If they tried to deliberately monsterlurk as a strat I'd lay a vote on them as a policy in future games and never take it off until they died or contributed, honestly. 'I win because I refuse to play' is not only lame as fuck but against Gravy's rules.

1. An above-average level of activity is expected in this game. You are not expected to post for the whole 48 hours, but you are expected to keep up to speed with the topic. Posting only a handful of times a day is not an acceptable level of activity. If you expect to be unavoidably absent for a short period (less than 24 hours) at any point in the game, inform the host in advance. Good activity is critical to a good game of mafia


So yeah, don't worry. Nobody's allowing turbolurking to be a thing. It's flat out not acceptable, my man. You can rest easy about that.
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Corrik
04/05/17 9:40:36 PM
#402:


Lopen has been struggling for a player who came in with a lot of bravado, I will say.
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KanzarisKelshen
04/05/17 9:43:02 PM
#403:


Corrik posted...
Lopen has been struggling for a player who came in with a lot of bravado, I will say.


Surprisingly lurky too, yes - I'd have to look and see how much he added after the early parts of day because that's where he did a lot and he might have built up a facade of activity. We'll see.
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Corrik
04/05/17 9:44:18 PM
#404:


I have Shad, Leo, and mzero are solidly town.

I have chris, bobb, kanz. Asmy main leads if ulti is indy
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Corrik
04/05/17 9:45:49 PM
#405:


Shad should say scare
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Corrik
04/05/17 9:46:30 PM
#406:


If scum, vi and kanz lead my suspects.
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MZero11
04/05/17 9:47:07 PM
#407:


Corrik posted...
Shad should say scare


Does everyone mix those two up? >_>
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benjamin3740
04/05/17 9:50:23 PM
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If Ulti flips scum then i see Corrik as possible scum still. Or maybe that's what Ulti wants us to think, because he's really doubling down on Corrik is 100% scum, and it could mean a lot of things
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ChaosTonyV4
04/05/17 9:51:04 PM
#409:


UItimaterializer posted...
By the way.

This is why people go inactive intentionally. Board 8 is completely incapable of lynching anyone other than active players, which causes everyone to go inactive. You have no one to blame but yourselves.


Isn't this exactly OPPOSITE of what you said last game? That B8 focuses too much on inactives??
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Lopen
04/05/17 9:51:19 PM
#410:


How am I lurky? I was gone most of today, after I said as much yesterday. Every other part of the game I've been very active.

Unfortunately Ulti kinda killed the end of the day reads with his stupid desperation claim that might as well be a glowing "you're right I am the SK" sign so there isn't really gonna be all that much to read from the end of the day either.

Still think Oddity is a good lead for tomorrow too. Since we have an hour I'm going since well, I may be dead tomorrow and while he's getting traction, I'm going to build a case on Oddity (maybe, anyway-- I kinda do think he sorta dropped off the earth after the first part of the game I called him on so there may not be there).

Still think Ulti is the right lynch here, but it's good to get something on the table.

Think I'm going to investigate you too Kanzaris. Frankly get a feeling you're taking shots at me because you think I might not fight back because I have acknowledged your "natural scumdar." Seems like a good safe play for a scum Kanzaris who hasn't contributed much cause of school or whatever-- go after the guy who you think won't fight back and already has some slight suspicions.

We'll see what I can find with an hour.
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UItimaterializer
04/05/17 9:53:34 PM
#411:


When I flip survivor, I will expect a Corrik lynch tomorrow. Apparently I'm the only one capable of good reads.
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UItimaterializer
04/05/17 9:54:08 PM
#412:


Lopen posted...
How am I lurky? I was gone most of today, after I said as much yesterday. Every other part of the game I've been very active.

Unfortunately Ulti kinda killed the end of the day reads with his stupid desperation claim that might as well be a glowing "you're right I am the SK" sign so there isn't really gonna be all that much to read from the end of the day either.

Still think Oddity is a good lead for tomorrow too. Since we have an hour I'm going since well, I may be dead tomorrow and while he's getting traction, I'm going to build a case on Oddity (maybe, anyway-- I kinda do think he sorta dropped off the earth after the first part of the game I called him on so there may not be there).

Still think Ulti is the right lynch here, but it's good to get something on the table.

Think I'm going to investigate you too Kanzaris. Frankly get a feeling you're taking shots at me because you think I might not fight back because I have acknowledged your "natural scumdar." Seems like a good safe play for a scum Kanzaris who hasn't contributed much cause of school or whatever-- go after the guy who you think won't fight back and already has some slight suspicions.

We'll see what I can find with an hour.

And this guy told us pre game he was the best ever.

Rubbing this in forever after I flip survivor.
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Arti
04/05/17 9:54:49 PM
#413:


[7] Ulti: (IGCD), Corrik, Lopen, IGCD, Chris, Leo, Leo2, Scare
[3] Johnbobb: (Kanz), Tony, Ulti, Death
[1] Shaduln: Ben, (MZero)
[1] Corrik: Shad, (VI), (Ulti)
[1] MZero: (Oddity), (Kanz), Oddity
[1] Oddity: (Lopen), (Scare), MZero
[1] Tony: (Death), Johnbobb
[0] Ben: (Ulti), (Scare), (Mzero), (Leo), (Leo2)
[0] Kanz: (MZero), (MZero)
[0] Death: (chris), (Ben), (Chris), (VI), (Ulti)
[0] IGCD: (Ulti), (oddity)
[0] Chris: (Corrik)
[0] Leo: (VI), (Ben), (Death), (Oddity), (chris)
[0] Lopen: (God), (Oddity), (Ulti), (Chris)
[0] VI: (Ulti), (Ulti), (Oddity), (Oddity)

ben didn't unvote
ten to lynch about a hour left
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ChaosTonyV4
04/05/17 9:55:02 PM
#414:


Also for all the talk of me being inactive, I was literally the person who prodded Ulti about his claim sounding way too obvious to not just claim PGO, whic led to his claim so >_>

Work smarter not harder, lol
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KanzarisKelshen
04/05/17 9:57:21 PM
#415:


How am I lurky? I was gone most of today, after I said as much yesterday. Every other part of the game I've been very active.


Isn't your work earlier in the day? That's why I thought you were being lurky (since you mentioned getting up early and I assumed a more or less standard 8 hours of work). If it's until later then yeah I was wrong.
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Lopen
04/05/17 9:58:51 PM
#416:


Oh one more thing before I go investigating

I actually think Ulti as scum might make some sense too, with Chris being on the safelist and Drak legitimately being on the scumteam here. Drak was basically an admin in every sense but title-- I don't really see him being a safelisted entry.

And BTW to further dive into flavor speculation a bit, if Ulti flips Lopen Mafia Godfather, Corrik would probably be numbers Mafia Usurper. Vice versa as well. I think a Usurper fits well in this flavor and I feel like those two went at each other a lot more than really made sense all things considered. (Do Usurpsers flip as Usurper? I wouldn't know because I've never seen a Usurper lose!!! FFT Mafia represent.)
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Oddity
04/05/17 9:59:28 PM
#417:


Just got back, doubtful of my ability to catch up in time remaining. Looks like Johnbob's up there.

##Unvote
##Vote: Johnbob


Obviously I'm reading so if you poke me I may take a bit to respond.
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benjamin3740
04/05/17 10:00:01 PM
#418:


Oh I didnt unvote

Well I'll do that now then. I'm 95% sure ulti is lying and is scum. On the 5% chance he's 3rd party, good deal. If he;s not Town then I dont want him, sorry Ulti =X

##Unvote

##Vote: Ulti

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VeryInsane
04/05/17 10:00:14 PM
#419:


Oddity Ulti claimed survivor
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Oddity
04/05/17 10:02:15 PM
#420:


Oh he did?

##Unvote
##Vote:Ulti


sorry bro.
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Lopen
04/05/17 10:02:40 PM
#421:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
How am I lurky? I was gone most of today, after I said as much yesterday. Every other part of the game I've been very active.


Isn't your work earlier in the day? That's why I thought you were being lurky (since you mentioned getting up early and I assumed a more or less standard 8 hours of work). If it's until later then yeah I was wrong.


I worked a long shift today. I have to do work out of town weekly which necessitates a particularly long day-- I'm also pretty much totally inactive as I get poor internet signal there.

10am EST to 9pm EST today. A lot of that being driving. Did get a bit of reprieve earlier to quickly read over the day and post thoughts but yeah.

I don't think it was all that relevant anyway. I doubt I would've added all that much if I was here-- not like my vote moved since last night after all!

Only ever happens on every other Wednesday btw so shouldn't happen again unless game goes really long.
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Corrik
04/05/17 10:04:02 PM
#423:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Also for all the talk of me being inactive, I was literally the person who prodded Ulti about his claim sounding way too obvious to not just claim PGO, whic led to his claim so >_>

Work smarter not harder, lol

And if he is indy you could just be scum prodding a claim / trying to avoid a PGO landmine
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ChaosTonyV4
04/05/17 10:04:46 PM
#424:


Oddity posted...
Just got back, doubtful of my ability to catch up in time remaining. Looks like Johnbob's up there.

##Unvote
##Vote: Johnbob


Obviously I'm reading so if you poke me I may take a bit to respond.


...Johnbob's up there?

We're gonna need more than that. Do you know why I'm voting him?
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Corrik
04/05/17 10:06:26 PM
#425:


I expect ulti to flip indy.
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Oddity
04/05/17 10:07:05 PM
#426:


Tbqh Tony I don't really care. I'm more concerned with catching up. And I did express satisfaction with a johnbob lynch earlier, I stand by it.
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IfGodCouldDie
04/05/17 10:07:58 PM
#428:


benjamin3740 posted...
The only thing stopping me before was the Chris flavor + Untargetable.

Why?
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VeryInsane
04/05/17 10:08:45 PM
#429:


Ulti is at -1 huh

Also Ulti I just want to ask you one last question

WHAT DO YOU THINK OF


1. Ben
2. VI
3. Ulti
4. IfGodCouldDie
5. JohnBobb
6. Death (replaced JC)
7. Kanz
8. Oddity
9. Tony
10. Eaed
11. Corrik
12. Scare
13. Jaded_Eye
14. Mzero
15. Chris
16. Shad
17. Lopen
18. Leo
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ScareChan
04/05/17 10:08:59 PM
#430:


If Ulti is scum and blew up Chris and Drak for claims, then there is still posibility of Wang as SK. With small window open for Cyclo (I think thats the guy that was threatening Corrik to start the game)
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ScareChan
04/05/17 10:10:13 PM
#431:


Tentative safelist with me and Chris

man Gravy with the grudges :(
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IfGodCouldDie
04/05/17 10:10:45 PM
#432:


UItimaterializer posted...
In no way is Corrik cleared when I flip survivor. I can read that guy like a book and he 100% on the mafia team. I guarantee it.

If you flip survivor I won't take your reads for granted.
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benjamin3740
04/05/17 10:10:59 PM
#433:


IfGodCouldDie posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
The only thing stopping me before was the Chris flavor + Untargetable.

Why?

Flavor because Chris said it'd be unlikely he was on a safe list. Untargetable I just didnt want to risk lynching day 1, since that'd be a huge power role for town. Well, sort of. Town Ulti would have screwed it up by claiming it before scum can waste shots on him
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IfGodCouldDie
04/05/17 10:12:04 PM
#436:


Johnbobb posted...
MZero11 posted...
Johnbobb posted...
Definitely leaning against Ulti at this point.


leaning? >_>

I mean, I'm not a cop, so I'd say leaning is a fair term

He has admitted to not being town.
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VeryInsane
04/05/17 10:14:02 PM
#437:


Ulti what if I told you you were wrong about me

what then
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Lopen
04/05/17 10:18:53 PM
#438:


Casebuilding:

Post 258, topic 1

Oddity posted...
wait, did you vote lopen? The conversation led me to believe that was true, going back to look.


However, if he ACTUALLY went back to look, wouldn't he have seen that IGCD unvoted? He makes no mention of it, and it doesn't become clear IGCD unvoted till late page 9. This to me implies he is pretending to go back and look.

Oddity posted...
Got to admit, I'm pretty impressed with Corrik, here. Thought he was just going to use his claim as a free pass.


Thinks Corrik would "rest on his cop claim" which no one took seriously to begin with.

Not much on Kanzaris topic 1 aside from a lot of wishywashiness-- kinda defends Ulti more than he maybe should. Would lean him more likely scum if Ulti flips scum.
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Lopen
04/05/17 10:19:21 PM
#439:


Second post is a bit down from 258-- 279 or so-- just scroll down. Moving on to topic 2.
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Oddity
04/05/17 10:21:38 PM
#440:


Oh, this is cute, a case against me. Regarding IGCD, I did see it when I went back and looked the first time, which is why I was confused with the votals. So then I went back like two or three times and must have managed to miss it multiple times. What can I say? I'm mad cuz I'm bad.
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IfGodCouldDie
04/05/17 10:22:14 PM
#441:


benjamin3740 posted...
IfGodCouldDie posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
The only thing stopping me before was the Chris flavor + Untargetable.

Why?

Flavor because Chris said it'd be unlikely he was on a safe list. Untargetable I just didnt want to risk lynching day 1, since that'd be a huge power role for town. Well, sort of. Town Ulti would have screwed it up by claiming it before scum can waste shots on him

You are just blindly accepting someone else's flavour meta?
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KanzarisKelshen
04/05/17 10:23:50 PM
#442:


Lopen posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...
How am I lurky? I was gone most of today, after I said as much yesterday. Every other part of the game I've been very active.


Isn't your work earlier in the day? That's why I thought you were being lurky (since you mentioned getting up early and I assumed a more or less standard 8 hours of work). If it's until later then yeah I was wrong.


I worked a long shift today. I have to do work out of town weekly which necessitates a particularly long day-- I'm also pretty much totally inactive as I get poor internet signal there.

10am EST to 9pm EST today. A lot of that being driving. Did get a bit of reprieve earlier to quickly read over the day and post thoughts but yeah.

I don't think it was all that relevant anyway. I doubt I would've added all that much if I was here-- not like my vote moved since last night after all!

Only ever happens on every other Wednesday btw so shouldn't happen again unless game goes really long.


fair tbqh

I'm not really trying to use the activity argument because god knows I can't talk considering I basically missed a full day - was just trying to explain why I wanted to hear more since there was an absence. My bad!
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benjamin3740
04/05/17 10:25:29 PM
#443:


IfGodCouldDie posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
IfGodCouldDie posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
The only thing stopping me before was the Chris flavor + Untargetable.

Why?

Flavor because Chris said it'd be unlikely he was on a safe list. Untargetable I just didnt want to risk lynching day 1, since that'd be a huge power role for town. Well, sort of. Town Ulti would have screwed it up by claiming it before scum can waste shots on him

You are just blindly accepting someone else's flavour meta?

I know nothing about Mercs, so I have to rely on others for that, yes. Chris and Kanz seem knowledgeable in particular.
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benjamin3740
04/05/17 10:26:56 PM
#444:


benjamin3740 posted...
IfGodCouldDie posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
IfGodCouldDie posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
The only thing stopping me before was the Chris flavor + Untargetable.

Why?

Flavor because Chris said it'd be unlikely he was on a safe list. Untargetable I just didnt want to risk lynching day 1, since that'd be a huge power role for town. Well, sort of. Town Ulti would have screwed it up by claiming it before scum can waste shots on him

You are just blindly accepting someone else's flavour meta?

I know nothing about Mercs, so I have to rely on others for that, yes. Chris and Kanz seem knowledgeable in particular.

And to intercept your next question - no, that doesnt mean I trust them completely as Town. I've already made some posts against Chris. Like Kanz as Town a lot more though
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DoomTheGyarados
04/05/17 10:27:03 PM
#445:


Survivors shouldn't lie all day tbh.

And that's all I've got to say about that.
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Lopen
04/05/17 10:31:53 PM
#446:


Topic 2:

Oddity and Kanzaris basically drop off the face of the earth. Kanzaris has one block of text in which he arbitrarily defends people for very shaky reasons-- people I mostly see as scum at this point. Kanzaris seems like a "no man left behind" kinda person so I could see him as more likely to defend scumbuddies than not. Kanzaris read as scum +++ if Ulti flips scum.

Every other post from Oddity in this topic is "I'm going to catch up later, I'm going to comment on this later" Spoilers he never actually does this. Many many posts exclaiming "ah, that's interesting!"

Seems like a very good way to pretend you're doing things without actually doing anything. Moves votes around for little reason, can't be arsed to explain most of em. You can CTRL+F "Oddity" and "Kanzaris" in Topic 2 and get all their posts with little effort and interpret for yourself.
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IfGodCouldDie
04/05/17 10:34:58 PM
#447:


benjamin3740 posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
IfGodCouldDie posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
IfGodCouldDie posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
The only thing stopping me before was the Chris flavor + Untargetable.

Why?

Flavor because Chris said it'd be unlikely he was on a safe list. Untargetable I just didnt want to risk lynching day 1, since that'd be a huge power role for town. Well, sort of. Town Ulti would have screwed it up by claiming it before scum can waste shots on him

You are just blindly accepting someone else's flavour meta?

I know nothing about Mercs, so I have to rely on others for that, yes. Chris and Kanz seem knowledgeable in particular.

And to intercept your next question - no, that doesnt mean I trust them completely as Town. I've already made some posts against Chris. Like Kanz as Town a lot more though

That wasn't my next question, but thanks for trying to dodge questioning.

My next question was going to be, why even worry about flavour meta if you don't know it?
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DoomTheGyarados
04/05/17 10:38:05 PM
#448:


I used to think my aggressive style invited challenge and suspicion, now after so many people have gotten 'vibes' from me today I am just going to assume people guess a lot when it comes to who they suspect.
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Oddity
04/05/17 10:38:55 PM
#449:


Dude, that's all I do! And it feels great!
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Oddity
04/05/17 10:39:34 PM
#450:


Also: I am highly amused by MZero's building up of me and Kanz as scumbuddies.
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