there mustve been a better way for ash to lose. maybe against an E4 member (if they are allowed to compete, could be an E4 member from another continent)?
Funnily enough I remember people saying the "Darkrai trainer" would be Karen.
Oh and also, there was a Heatran a few episodes back when Ash registered, just randomly in the...registration room thing. Everyone thought that would be the legendary Pokemon Ash would battle (there being a legendary Pokemon at the league was revealed a few weeks prior in an interview with the director or something), but nope. Somewhere along the line, Random Nameless Heatran Guy lost.
I don't think Brandon said anything about retiring. I think he only released his Regis. Even if he did retire, there's no reason he can't face Paul in a Pokemon battle. It's not like his last battle was for anything official either.
You called Darkrai's sleep attack Dark Pulse a few times. It should be Dark Void. Dark Pulse is a different move Darkrai also uses.
It would have made more sense for Ash to bring Charizard and Snorlax. However, they would just be coming in to get killed. Also it would be less credible for those two to get put down so easily and they need to wrap things up in this episode to kick of Best Wishes in times for the BW game release.
I noticed it, but all I could think of were jokes about Ethan.
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The episode begins with Dawn and Piplup waking up to her alarm clock. GET IT? IT'S EXACTLY LIKE DAWN'S FIRST EPISODE. DO YOU GET IT?
Dawn, Piplup, and Pikachu find Brock and Joanna already awake, so Pikachu wakes up Ash with a thunder bolt for absolutely no reason other than to be a jackass. Over breakfast, the heroes talk about how they plan to all go their separate ways, and Piplup is clearly heartbroken until Dawn mentions that she might go to Kanto after all, which excites Piplup. However, Dawn gets a letter from Hermione the pokestylist (remember her?), who wants to talk about Dawn's Buneary.
Meanwhile, Team Rocket gets a message via Delibird to contact headquarters. Giovanni's secretary tells them to come back immediately for a special mission. They decide this must be because of their report in which they talked about beating J and Team Galactic, and we see Giovanni looking over their personnel files.
Buneary has been picked to be a pokemon model, which means that Dawn must go to Heartholme City immediately. Sadly, this means Dawn won't join the others in Kanto, which angers Piplup, and it runs off. It's Joanna who realizes why Piplup is upset. The heroes send out Staraptor, Pikachu, and Togekiss to search for Piplup. Staraptor delivers Pikachu to Piplup, and they have a teary goodbye. Meowth finds them and tells them that he knows how they feel... So he's going to make sure they never leave each other, as Team Rocket captures them in a net. The heroes show up, so Ash just has Staraptor and Torterra do their thing (which, in Torterra's case, is surprisingly not losing), and Pikachu and Piplup give them an especially painful blast off. Piplup is still sad about having to leave the others, but Dawn promises it that they'll see everyone again... in season 3 of BW. And also, they won’t be seeing Brock.
At Dawn’s house, the heroes watch Flint versus Cynthia on TV. Ash imagines himself in Flint's place, and yep. I agree. Ash would also lose to Cynthia. We do learn that Flint's Infernape took down two of Cynthia's pokemon before losing to her Garchomp, though, so that’s pretty cool, I guess.
Brock tells everyone that he's going to become a pokemon doctor, and since becoming a doctor means having to study hard, he won't be able to continue the journey. Ash understands: it’s not like Brock really… did much, anyway. I’m sorry, but it’s true, guys. Ash and Brock leave on the ferry, and Dawn bids them goodbye.
Cut to Kanto, where Ash and Brock are at the same signpost they were at with Misty a quadrillion episodes ago (nice touch). They bid each other goodbye, and walk away, the final few seconds promising that Ash will have a new journey soon.
Well, duh.
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I was so sad when DP ended, knowing we'd go from the awesome Paul/Ash rivalry to f***ing Scratch/Tackle fests for the next year. That's when I stopped paying real attention and only watching gym battles.
And don't apologize for Brock. Everyone knew it was time for him to leave, he'd become pointless
It lost horrifically to Kenny's Empoleon, did poorly against Paul at the lake and lost to Byron's Steelix as well, off the top of my head. It was in very poor form before the Paul battle
That's when he started losing his place as top guy and became a fall guy (Worf Effect even). Against during the time from getting him as a trade to defeating Maylene and Crasher Wake he was the best (outside of Pikachu of course)
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Another thing. Cynthia is still Champion. So it means that Tobias lost to either her or one of the Elite Four. If a guy with Ubers can't beat the Elite Four, how is a regular trainer supposed to? Unless you decide to believe Tobias said "**** this" to the Champion League and simply left.
Well given that Elite 4 members have never lost a Pokemon to Ash and Tobias lost two it would make sense that he would probably lost to them as well.
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It lost horrifically to Kenny's Empoleon, did poorly against Paul at the lake and lost to Byron's Steelix as well, off the top of my head. It was in very poor form before the Paul battle
That's when he started losing his place as top guy and became a fall guy (Worf Effect even). Against during the time from getting him as a trade to defeating Maylene and Crasher Wake he was the best (outside of Pikachu of course)
True, but you could say that of Torterra when it was a Turtwig. Turtwig did well, then started losing...then never got to redeem itself. Buizel redeemed itself for its bad form with the win over Gastrodon. Torterra never got that.
From: charmander6000 | #308 Well given that Elite 4 members have never lost a Pokemon to Ash and Tobias lost two it would make sense that he would probably lost to them as well. Well yeah, but my point is what the hell is one supposed to do to beat the Elite Four?
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Overall Score: 8/10 Best Battle: Ash versus Paul Best Episode: Malice in Wonderland!! Worst Episode: LEADING A STRAY! Best Protagonist: None Worst Protagonist: Jessie Best Side Character: J Worst Side Character: None Best Protagonist's Pokemon: Infernape Worst Protagonist's Pokemon: Happiny Best Side Pokemon: None
So, I just realized. The title of season 12 is “Sinnoh League Victors,” so I guess this season was really about Tobias. In that light, Ash’s loss is actually kind of cool. Just saying.
The Sinnoh League was the best so far. Brock was entirely pointless, but Dawn has a legitimate character arc in which she actually grows, justifying her inclusion in the show. Ash has no real arc, as opposed to the other leagues, in which he actually, you know, grows as a character, but he continues to be the protagonist and rivals with Paul, which makes up for it, I guess. If anyone suffered, it was Team Rocket - they became really pointless after a while, even moreso than they had been in previous seasons, and they never had much of a point to begin with.
One of the things that sets this league apart from those before it is that it actually doesn’t have a tremendous amount of filler. Have no fear; it still has more filler than most shows, but compared to the others, it’s got almost none. Something like fifty episodes pass between badge 7 and badge 8, but only a few are truly filler - the writers obviously put work into making sure most episodes would involve a contest, gym, preparations for one of those things, a pokemon evolving or learning a new move, a rival/recurring character appearing, or something having to do with Team Galactic, which helps a lot in lessening the pain of a show that’s normally so laden with filler and padding.
I know many people like Cyrus, but I’ll be honest - I never have. Someone I do like, though, is J, who proved to be easily the most competent and threatening villain on the show, and much more personable than Giovanni, who is theoretically a main villain but who shows up maybe once every two hundred episodes (discounting Meowth’s fantasies). She even got something no one else gets - closure. Actual, real closure. Amazing stuff, you know?
Overall… It’s just the strongest league so far, yeah. Tobias is disappointing, but hey, not everything can work out perfectly.
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Yeah when I think of Sinnoh I think of Turtwig at the beginning, Buizel at the middle and Chimchar at the end in terms of strength. The others got neglected, but at least Buizel had a few decent matches while as soon as Turtwig evolved he never really had a good match.
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Jessie got annoying after a while. She had her moments, and she was never awful (like Tracey and Max), but of the DP protagonists, she's definitely the weakest.
Now, the thing that everyone has been waiting for!
Okay, look. Infernape and Sceptile... just don't have the feats. They just do not, I'm sorry. Charizard and Snorlax do have the feats, and yes, that's largely because they were around for much longer than Sceptile and Infernape, and that's not fair, but it is what it is. If Sceptile and Infernape had like one more battle each, I would probably bump them up, but as it is, they really only have the battle against Paul and the battle against Tobias, respectively, so make them look particularly good.
Gligar and Gible are a tier higher, Torterra is a tier lower, and I actually considered making a new tier just for Torkoal.
Dawn > May > Misty
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Infernape beat 8 Gym Pokemon. EIGHT. It absolutely has the feats.
Personally I would have Zard on its own tier, and Ape/Lax/Sceptile on the second tier. Snorlax is good, but he's no Zard. I feel like your nostalgia is talking here.
Good Bulbasaur Squirtle Heracross Swellow Glalie Buizel Gliscor
Average Kingler Tauros Bayleef Quilava Noctowl Donphan Corphish Staraptor Gible
Bad Pidgeot Primeape Muk Lapras Totodile Aipom Torterra
Bottom Butterfree Torkoal
A lot harder than I thought. Some guys are strong, but only by story and not accomplishments (Primeape, possibly Gible in the future) while others you have to take into account their early accomplishments (though I take later accomplishments into account more)
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I wonder, are they going to go back to showing Chronicles episodes in America, or is Dawn's Cyndaquil's evolution to Quilava just going to be treated as an off-screen thing when Dawn returns to the show? (Assuming that she doesn't have a whole mess of new Pokémon, anyway.)
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there mustve been a better way for ash to lose. maybe against an E4 member (if they are allowed to compete, could be an E4 member from another continent)?
Funnily enough I remember people saying the "Darkrai trainer" would be Karen.
Oh and also, there was a Heatran a few episodes back when Ash registered, just randomly in the...registration room thing. Everyone thought that would be the legendary Pokemon Ash would battle (there being a legendary Pokemon at the league was revealed a few weeks prior in an interview with the director or something), but nope. Somewhere along the line, Random Nameless Heatran Guy lost.
oh yeah i remember that now lol
why the **** did a random have a heatran and not make the finals
Jessie got annoying after a while. She had her moments, and she was never awful (like Tracey and Max), but of the DP protagonists, she's definitely the weakest.
Now, the thing that everyone has been waiting for!
Okay, look. Infernape and Sceptile... just don't have the feats. They just do not, I'm sorry. Charizard and Snorlax do have the feats, and yes, that's largely because they were around for much longer than Sceptile and Infernape, and that's not fair, but it is what it is. If Sceptile and Infernape had like one more battle each, I would probably bump them up, but as it is, they really only have the battle against Paul and the battle against Tobias, respectively, so make them look particularly good.
Gligar and Gible are a tier higher, Torterra is a tier lower, and I actually considered making a new tier just for Torkoal.
Dawn > May > Misty
why is bayleef higher than heracross, staraptor, etc? bayleef was never much good
Never losing without taking out at least one or two of the opponents Pokemon.
You know every time Ash brought him out someone was about to get ripped. Honestly the only time he's ever looked bad was when he slept through the Orange League final and that was more done to get Tauros some screen time.
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Snorlax has only had 5 big battles (counting the almost-entirely off-screen battle in the Sinnoh League). In all of them except Greta and the Sinnoh League one, it was actually KO'd. And that's in 15 years or whatever.
Infernape has been Ash's for like 4 and already has at least that many, more depending on your mileage (its full repertoire is 8 Gym Pokemon KO'd with Ash, one on-screen with Paul, Ursaring twice, and three of Paul's at the league).
Infernape kind of stank as a Chimchar though, so I can see that kind of holding back its record. But its accomplishments as an Infernape more than made up for that.
I don't think getting KO'd should matter. With the exception of very few battles Ash only has 1 Pokemon left and that's the one that KOs the final opponent's Pokemon. As a writing tool Snorlax doesn't fit the criteria of a final Pokemon (not the underdog or Ash's current main guy). As a comparison Palpitoad will be the same where he'll be one of Ash's strongest (he's the strongest right now IMO) but he won't be the last Pokemon standing too often. Overall had Infernape taken out 3 of Paul's Pokemon and then lost because of a fourth I would still give Infernape the same credit.
What Snorlax is used for is that he either gives Ash a lead to where his other Pokemon blow it or he draws Ash level after his other Pokemon let him down.
Also not to take away Infernape's accomplishments, but many of its wins were on Pokemon where he's had the type advantage.
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I don't really see type advantage as an issue in the anime because of how often it gets dumped on
And getting KO'd really should matter. It means you are not good enough. For instance, against Gary, Charizard knocked out 3 and was undefeated. Snorlax only knocked out 2, and was defeated. That just makes things obvious.
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But had Charizard knocked out 3 and fainted and Snorlax knocked out 2 and won it would be foolish to say Snorlax was better.
Or when Ash has a 3 on 3 where his first two won 1 and lost 1 you can't say his last Pokemon was the most impressive without watching the performances within the episode.
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But being the last Pokemon standing doesn't mean your defense was the best it just means you are the last Pokemon left. That would be like saying Pokemon B had the best defense because it was undefeated and knocked out 1 Pokemon while Pokemon A went through 5 Pokemon and lost to the 6th.
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Charizard was able to withstand the assault of three Pokemon. Snorlax was able to withstand the assault of 2, but lost to the third. That means it was defensively inferior.
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Charizard was able to withstand the assault of three Pokemon. Snorlax was able to withstand the assault of 2, but lost to the third. That means it was defensively inferior.
Oh it means it faced stronger opponents, or that Ash was commanding Charizard better because he's gotten into the groove of the battle more.
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Then I don't understand what you meant about your above comment.
I guess you could argue that in my hypothetical Snorlax could have taken out a third had he not been the last Pokemon standing, but we don't know because the opponent ran out of Pokemon, but at the same time you could argue that the next attack would knock it out.
Had you just flipped the scenes from that battle it was pretty clear that Charizard would've still won the MVP in that match.
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Okay fine, you like the Lati@s movie better. That's cool. That doesn't mean Zoroark isn't an 8/10 movie though, because it totally is and you are bad and your taste is bad. >=(
I mean, it was easily better than the First Movie unless your nostalgia goggles are on too tight. Owait, I'm talking to Anagram here. That's already a lost cause...
