Board 8 > Homestuck General Discussion: Of White (Gray) Rabbits and Enchantments

(+) Yeah! (+)

Probably wrong with this but I'm believing that LE is actually uu's dreamself since Calliope's dreamself was a troll, which leads me to believe that they can choose to be anything in their dreams.

--
My favorite song as of now: http://soundcloud.com/thelivingtombstone/tombstonediscord
My bunnyslug: http://img.imgcake.com/nio/catapngzu.png

I'm still not sure why everyone has jumped on the "LE is uu" train so fast. There's obviously some relationship here, but I don't know that it's as simple as "LE is uu" so I'm still waiting. I doubt the body we're seeing Calliope in right now is the same as LE, that doesn't seem to be quite right.

There's still a TON of stuff we don't know here.

Paratroopa1 posted...

I doubt the body we're seeing Calliope in right now is the same as LE, that doesn't seem to be quite right.

Well, technically, we flat out know it isn't. We saw how Lord English was summoned, after all. But I recall Hussie saying something along the lines of LE didn't lose the leg just because Doc Scratch did, that he already had the pimp cane leg. I figure there is going to be some cosmic reason that it's the case, though.

And while I agree there is much we don't know, it seems narratively risky to essentially establish that LE belongs to an actual rare species and have the characters have nothing to do with him. There'd better have a damn good reason if LE turns out to not be uu (or Calliope).

--
"One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land."
-Toad, SMB3

Especially since Calliope is having visions of Doc Scratch and has his holster.

--
(Maniac64 at work)
All the proteins, vitamins, and carbs of your grandma's best turkey dinner, plus 15% alcohol.

From: Paratroopa1 | #252
I'm still not sure why everyone has jumped on the "LE is uu" train so fast. There's obviously some relationship here, but I don't know that it's as simple as "LE is uu" so I'm still waiting. I doubt the body we're seeing Calliope in right now is the same as LE, that doesn't seem to be quite right.

There's still a TON of stuff we don't know here.

True, but there's a lot of clues that they're at least related to him.

Plus it's very elegant from a storytelling perspective to show Lord English's origin and backstory by having either UU or uu end up being him. At this point it makes too much sense not to do, although this is Homestuck we're talking about so who knows.

Also, the implication that the character(s) specifically based off the Homestuck fanbase is the villain, the same villain who literally killed the author in-story, is frankly hilarious.

--
http://img.imgcake.com/AitchDeeTee/panicdancegifta.gif
http://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif

From: HeroDelTiempo17 | #255

Also, the implication that the character(s) specifically based off the Homestuck fanbase is the villain, the same villain who literally killed the author in-story, is frankly hilarious.

If uu really is Lord English, then the reason why he killed Hussie is suddenly a lot better.

--
SomeC - sheer explosives since meeting that crazy hobo.
SuperNiceDog. Best friend.

Calliope's / Callie's shackle is on left ankle uu is probably on right

Lord English's pegleg is on right

gee I wonder whats going to happen =P

--
XBL GT: Demon Ninja X2
"There comes a time in every man's or woman's life where they have to make **** up to cover their ass." - Hazama

From: kevwaffles | #253

Paratroopa1 posted...

I doubt the body we're seeing Calliope in right now is the same as LE, that doesn't seem to be quite right.

Well, technically, we flat out know it isn't. We saw how Lord English was summoned, after all. But I recall Hussie saying something along the lines of LE didn't lose the leg just because Doc Scratch did, that he already had the pimp cane leg. I figure there is going to be some cosmic reason that it's the case, though.

And while I agree there is much we don't know, it seems narratively risky to essentially establish that LE belongs to an actual rare species and have the characters have nothing to do with him. There'd better have a damn good reason if LE turns out to not be uu (or Calliope).

He could be their father (or equivalent). That'd be an amusing turn of events.

--
Twostuck, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/62168402

realization: a chess board has 16 pieces per side.

12 trolls. 4 humans, two sides to each universe. 2 players

realization the second: on each side, an equal amount of pieces are on light and dark squares, akin to there being a balance in prospit/derse players

realization the third: if a pawn advances far enough, it can die and be replaced with a queen. awfully similar to going god tier.

skaia truly is a lot like chess beyond the basic motif now that i think about it...

--
There is no shame in not knowing; the shame lies in not finding out

Ok with that "paint my words with your blood thing" is pretty obvious uu is Lord English.

...

maybe even TOO obvious.....

--
http://img.imgcake.com/AitchDeeTee/panicdancegifta.gif
http://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif

So does this update completely debunk the whole same body theory?

--
Graveyard stuffers.

Maybe. Maybe not.

Personally I think they are two linked bodies. So two in one, effectively. But there is still uu talking about being in her head.

By the way, I don't think uu is Lord English. I think that Lord English is a merger of the two, likely with uu as the dominant personality. This is because Lord English doesn't decapatilise his 'u's. So obviously something changes from what we know of uu. I maintain that Lord English is the complete form, and UU and uu are two split halves of that state.

--
Something something something
^Poorly disguised anti-caps sig

Another thing I just realized

The whole chain / shackle thing

wasn't this something from SAW

--
XBL GT: Demon Ninja X2
"There comes a time in every man's or woman's life where they have to make **** up to cover their ass." - Hazama

Oh lord. Two pages and a million questions are brought up.

--
Graveyard stuffers.

man hussie sure likes poking fun at homestuck fans

--
http://img.imgcake.com/AitchDeeTee/panicdancegifta.gif
http://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif

I've been wondering, if both of the shackles are to go around Calliope's legs, why would the chain be that long?

--
SomeC - sheer explosives since meeting that crazy hobo.
SuperNiceDog. Best friend.

Or was he already there, somehow?

Another hint to uu being LE.

--
Brawl is like ZSS' breasts. Well rounded for casual players
http://img.imgcake.com/1319527328883gifad.gif

No, these aren't hints. This is Hussie making fun of fan theories.

But that's what he wants people to think.

He wants the fans to think he's making fun of them.

--
Brawl is like ZSS' breasts. Well rounded for casual players
http://img.imgcake.com/1319527328883gifad.gif

maybe hussie is making theories on where LE will take the story now that hussie is dead and has lost narritive control. hussie is now a fan you see...oh how the mighty have fallen.

--
There is no shame in not knowing; the shame lies in not finding out

SovietOmega posted...

maybe hussie is making theories on where LE will take the story now that hussie is dead and has lost narritive control. hussie is now a fan you see...oh how the mighty have fallen.

Or maybe LE is writing everything now and making fun of Homestuck fans using his own custom characters.

Why does that have to make some terrible kind of sense.

--
(Maniac64 at work)
All the proteins, vitamins, and carbs of your grandma's best turkey dinner, plus 15% alcohol.

I wonder if there is a connection between prospit/derse chains and uu/UU chains...prospit is definitely a Muse to players with the cloud visions, while derse is certainly home to tricky sorts...

--
There is no shame in not knowing; the shame lies in not finding out

Gamzee continues to be the most important character in Homestuck.

Also the censorship implies that the original kids + trolls - or at the very least, Gamzee - meant for UU and uu to have to book, making them complicit in what could be the creation of Lord English. That would be huge.

--
http://img.imgcake.com/AitchDeeTee/panicdancegifta.gif
http://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif

Ed Bellis posted...

why is calliope adorable

when did this happen

At the exact same time she became "hideous", strangely enough.

--
"One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land."
-Toad, SMB3

Takfloyd_mkII__ posted...

No, these aren't hints. This is Hussie making fun of fan theories.

Since when have those two EVER been mutually exclusive in Homestuck.

--
"One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land."
-Toad, SMB3

Ed Bellis posted...

why is calliope adorable

when did this happen

since she was introduced but yeah I know right?

SovietOmega posted...

I wonder if there is a connection between prospit/derse chains and uu/UU chains...prospit is definitely a Muse to players with the cloud visions, while derse is certainly home to tricky sorts...

Yeah and Jack cut the Prospit moon chain thing and blew up the Derse one maybe that will have symbolism later or something

--
XBL GT: Demon Ninja X2
"There comes a time in every man's or woman's life where they have to make **** up to cover their ass." - Hazama

I cannot wait for the saw-parody reveal of uu's plan

Also, why is gamzee writing/blocking out stuff in Equius' color?

--
You beat yourself up with your past. Don't blame yourself, blame the world. Blame God. Blame me.

GANON1025 posted...

I cannot wait for the saw-parody reveal of uu's plan

Also, why is gamzee writing/blocking out stuff in Equius' color?

Equius was a void class or whatever so probably because of that

--
XBL GT: Demon Ninja X2
"There comes a time in every man's or woman's life where they have to make **** up to cover their ass." - Hazama

Probably his blood too

--
Ah, yes, the Negotiator: General Kenobi
<sneaky beeping>

From: Ed Bellis | #276
why is calliope adorable

when did this happen

I want to see Hussie draw UU in the detailed style he uses, but we haven't seen Hussnasty Mode for quite a while

Her eyes sorta creep me out though.

--
http://img.imgcake.com/AitchDeeTee/panicdancegifta.gif
http://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif

So I went back to read about Rose's book and I found this:

http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006604
I forgot that the new session's kings are dead. Which more accurately explains the king/queen switching thing since the WQ has the scepter, but I mean that was obvious once you realize that uu was representing Prospit and not Derse there. But anyways:

ROSE: But as it is, I think the forces opposing these players are clandestinely working toward the same goal as we are.
ROSE: From what I can tell, gestures of antagonism, while certainly posing legitimate danger, have been factored in as critical stepping stones to one destination shared by all parties.
ROSE: I don't know why this is, or what the motives are yet.

So basically, both the kids and The Condesce want to make a new universe, although the Condesce is pretending to oppose them. From what we know now, that could be because that universe is the cherubs', thus allowing Lord English to exist. of course, it could also be something as simple as "The Condesce wants more planets/a universe to invade", but that's more boring

Not really any new information, but evidence pile, taller, etc. Not even Hussie's japes can stop the theories.

--
http://img.imgcake.com/AitchDeeTee/panicdancegifta.gif
http://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif

you know...UU probably will end up relating more to scratch than LE. Her symbol being a doctor's after all...

--
There is no shame in not knowing; the shame lies in not finding out

http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006708
I believe in fairies. I believe dragons aren't bulls***. I believe heartily in the giggles of all the cherubs in heaven and the metric tonnes of special stardust they consume each day to fuel their laughter. I believe with the conviction of a million frothing zealots in the combined pranks of a billion leprechauns strong, and in the tiny erections they get from playing them. But most of all, I believe in YOU, Rufio.

GOD

DAMMIT

--
http://img.imgcake.com/AitchDeeTee/panicdancegifta.gif
http://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif

argh...i KNEW i had read something about that stardust before....

but then....considering that is a thing, look at the next sentence. when will that be a thing? when will we be greeted with mass leprechaun boners?

--
There is no shame in not knowing; the shame lies in not finding out

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

SantaRPG posted...

let's look at all the evidence that lord english is a leprechaun boner.

1.he represents a pool cue, which is phallic in nature
2. his color scheme is green and rainbow, colors one typically reserve for a leprechaun
3. he is considered a "demon" In ireland, faeries and demons are one in the same
4. If we look at all this nick cage foreshadowing, that was the plan all this time.

Is it scary that I'm starting to convince myself

and this clearly ties in with jake and his boners

we may have just uncovered the greatest secret in homestuck to date.

--
There is no shame in not knowing; the shame lies in not finding out

Interesting that the bullet isn't a cueball. and I guess it's obvious what' uu's weapon will be.

--
I fought SuperNiceDog, and SuperNiceDog won.
"I like goldfish." Godric

You wouldn't trade your dualing weapon for any other.

:|

--
http://img.imgcake.com/AitchDeeTee/panicdancegifta.gif
http://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif

I wonder if the transformation sequence from UU to uu is going to be like Doc Scratch to Lord English.

Assuming they share the same body.

--
Ah, yes, the Negotiator: General Kenobi
<sneaky beeping>

Anyone else feel that with every allusion to LE the theory uu = LE becomes less likely? There are tons of red herrings still undiscovered.

--
SomeC - sheer explosives since meeting that crazy hobo.
SuperNiceDog. Best friend.

Some_Character posted...

Anyone else feel that with every allusion to LE the theory uu = LE becomes less likely? There are tons of red herrings still undiscovered.

I'm feeling that way about UU and uu being the same body. ==

--
"Hope is allowed to be stupid, unwise, and naive." ~Sir Chris

Well, way back in Act 5, Bec getting prototyped and Jack inheriting his power was a twist that a lot of people called because it was pretty obvious. I think Hussie said something to the effect of sometimes the most surprising twist is doing exactly what people expect you to.

And I mean, he's obviously very aware of what all the fans are thinking about the plot right now. So they could be red herrings, but uu being Lord English makes a lot of sense. If it was a mislead, the actual twist would have to be pretty similar.

But the same bodies theory seems up in the air imo.

--
http://img.imgcake.com/AitchDeeTee/panicdancegifta.gif
http://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif

All of the "clues" Hussie has been dropping in the recent updates, combined with Hussie making fun of us for trying to draw meaning out of pictures of dongs and constantly mentioning uu's love of red herrings suddenly makes me worried. Hussie respects us as readers. He knows exactly what we're going to think of every hint he drops. He's acutely aware of the conclusions that we're going to draw. That means I have absolutely no idea where he's going with all this, in spite of the fact that it seems to be pointing in some very obvious directions. It's bizarrely unnerving.

Yeah, the thing is that Andrew sometimes plays things out in the most obvious way, and sometimes he goes in a completely different direction. All these hints make uu being Lord English seem suspicious, but that could also be why he actually goes through with it. That's the beauty of it. If he did too many twists you'd start to become certain not to take things at face value, while being completely predictable would be bad for obvious reasons as well. But anyways, the result is that you become paranoid, like me.

--
I finally believe it. This is not butter. And I know deep down in my heart that I must become butter atheist.

I've said this before but it's as true as ever - Hussie was really smart for writing the story the way he did up until now. He has loads of credibility built up for being unpredictable. Nothing in the story is a sure bet. Not everything is going to be what it seems, but some things are exactly as they seem. And despite the unpredictability, he never makes me feel like anything is a total asspull.

This is probably obvious, but look at the bow tie. Or should I say, bow ties.

--
Something something something
^Poorly disguised anti-caps sig