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ninkendo
05/15/12 11:24:00 AM
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http://www.gamespot.com/news/street-fighter-x-tekken-sales-blamed-on-cannibalism-6376795

I hope Capcom realizes that's largely their own fault!

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Ayuyu
05/15/12 11:25:00 AM
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Goddamn Cannibals eating all Capcom potential customers!

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GranzonEx
05/15/12 11:26:00 AM
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Flop would imply they actually put work into making the game.

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GuessMyUserName
05/15/12 11:26:00 AM
#4:


The publisher also addressed Resident Evil: Operation Raccoon City shipping 2 million units as a vindication of its business plan. "This shows the success of our decision to try the new approach of using an alliance with an overseas development company," the company said.

I'm crying so hard

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The Utility Man
05/15/12 11:26:00 AM
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I never thought this game was a good idea to begin with.

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LeonhartFour
05/15/12 11:27:00 AM
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Time to wait for Tekken x SF instead

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The Real Truth
05/15/12 11:27:00 AM
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From: GuessMyUserName | #004
The publisher also addressed Resident Evil: Operation Raccoon City shipping 2 million units as a vindication of its business plan. "This shows the success of our decision to try the new approach of using an alliance with an overseas development company," the company said.

I'm crying so hard


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BerkeIium
05/15/12 11:38:00 AM
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A game that sells over a million units is considered a flop. I continue to weep for the future of the industry.
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Shoenin_Kakashi
05/15/12 11:40:00 AM
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I blame the Tekken part of it

because its Tekken

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Weakupedia
05/15/12 11:42:00 AM
#10:


Shoenin_Kakashi posted...
I blame the Tekken part of it

because its Tekken

if only this were true!

the game itself has a bunch of problems, but it seems like capcom is willing to believe (or at least try to convince the public) that fighting game oversaturation is to blame.

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Mik_Pick
05/15/12 11:43:00 AM
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The publisher also addressed Resident Evil: Operation Raccoon City shipping 2 million units as a vindication of its business plan. "This shows the success of our decision to try the new approach of using an alliance with an overseas development company," the company said.

Translation: This shows the success in our plan to sell lower quality games which cost less money to make, in hopes that people will still make the mistake of purchasing them.

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SSJSephirothGokuX123
05/15/12 1:13:00 PM
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They should be more concerned that King of Fighters and Skullgirls are managing to do well while their game with the name power is flopping like this.

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saveus_Maria
05/15/12 1:17:00 PM
#13:


as a cannibal who did not buy SFxT I can confirm that Capcom is correct on this matter

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WazzupGenius00
05/15/12 1:20:00 PM
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From: SSJSephirothGokuX123 | #012
They should be more concerned that King of Fighters and Skullgirls are managing to do well while their game with the name power is flopping like this.


it still sold probably five times as much as either of those

it only "flopped" in the sense that it didn't meet their sales expectations

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SSJSephirothGokuX123
05/15/12 1:30:00 PM
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It's not the amount of sales it's the fact that in the "oversaturation" of fighting games two niche game still managed to be successful (a new indie IP and franchise that has never sold that great) yet the game with two of the biggest names in the genre is flopping.

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Punnyz
05/15/12 1:31:00 PM
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the act of eating another human or the b8 user?

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SythaWarrior
05/15/12 1:39:00 PM
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350k-400k for KoF
like 50k-70k for skullgirls

I think those are close. That's what I heard anyway. Most everyone I know who bought Skullgirls actually had bought SFxT too. As for KoF/SFxT I don't know. Feels like everyone who would've bought it also bought SFxT to me. I think bad reviews within the community and on the internet pre-release are likely more to blame.

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Punnyz
05/15/12 3:12:00 PM
#18:


From: SythaWarrior | #017
like 50k-70k for skullgirls


really?

Holy god damn

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StealThisSheen
05/15/12 3:16:00 PM
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SSJSephirothGokuX123 posted...
It's not the amount of sales it's the fact that in the "oversaturation" of fighting games two niche game still managed to be successful (a new indie IP and franchise that has never sold that great) yet the game with two of the biggest names in the genre is flopping.


...Wait, what?

"Game A sold 5 times more than one, and over 14 times better than the other. But clearly the fact that these other two games sold at all means something."

This logic makes no sense at all.



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GenesisTwilight
05/15/12 3:19:00 PM
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Of course, it was only 1.4 million that were shipped to stores. No telling how many of those copies were actually bought. Hasn't SFxT already had a significant price drop too?

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WazzupGenius00
05/15/12 3:41:00 PM
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Nah, it's still full price

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Wanglicious
05/15/12 3:48:00 PM
#22:


advertisement guys, advertisement. SNK didn't spend anything on that, Capcom did. wouldn't be surprised if KOF13 ended up being more profitable due to their much more minimalistic approach.

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AlphaRayAllen
05/15/12 3:50:00 PM
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Think of it this way.

If The Avengers made $100 million in its opening weekend in the box office, that would certainly be good for any other movie.

But would it be good for The f***ing Avengers?

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pjbasis
05/15/12 4:20:00 PM
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From: BerkeIium | #008
A game that sells over a million units is considered a flop. I continue to weep for the future of the industry.


Would you rather a game that sells 200,000 be considered a success?

It means the industry is growing.

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Jeff Zero
05/15/12 4:21:00 PM
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From: AlphaRayAllen | #023
Think of it this way.

If The Avengers made $100 million in its opening weekend in the box office, that would certainly be good for any other movie.

But would it be good for The f***ing Avengers?


Well no, not in today's superhero-centric movie industry.

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Wanglicious
05/15/12 4:27:00 PM
#26:


yes, i would rather a game that sells 200K mean it's a success.
because that can happen in addition to the major blockbusters needing to be multimillion. something like Demon's Soul was a success, Dark Soul a tremendous success. the latter barely broke a mil.

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MZero11
05/15/12 4:27:00 PM
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Well maybe Super Street Fighter x Tekken Turbo will do better!

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BerkeIium
05/15/12 4:28:00 PM
#28:


pjbasis posted...
Would you rather a game that sells 200,000 be considered a success?

It means the industry is growing.

I was thinking more about how many games nowadays are so overinflated that they need to sell upwards of half a million just to offset development costs when I said I weep for the future of video games.
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BerkeIium
05/15/12 4:29:00 PM
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And Wang beat me. Damn my slow computer.
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sevendiamantes
05/15/12 4:32:00 PM
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No DLC for sale. How they expect people to buy their product if they are not selling it. The game is being bombarded by negative opinions of people who wanted to buy the 12 DLC characters. Is true there are too many good games within a shot time gap with extra content to buy also. Holding on to the product that is available and ready for purchase was not a very good idea. They are going to throw us the newspaper on the face when they get ready to sell the 12 characters DLC. Just wait for it.
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GANON1025
05/15/12 4:36:00 PM
#31:


From: GranzonEx | #003
Flop would imply they actually put work into making the game.


What? Not it doesn't. What the hell are you talking about?

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pjbasis
05/15/12 4:40:00 PM
#32:


From: BerkeIium | #028
I was thinking more about how many games nowadays are so overinflated that they need to sell upwards of half a million just to offset development costs when I said I weep for the future of video games.


Fair point.

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AlphaRayAllen
05/15/12 4:44:00 PM
#33:


From: Jeff Zero | #025
Well no, not in today's superhero-centric movie industry.


Alright, but when you think of a massive cross over like SFxT, with all the marketing and hype behind it, one million units is a severe under-performance.

IT HAD A REALITY SHOW, FOR GOD"S SAKE.

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saveus_Maria
05/15/12 4:55:00 PM
#34:


I just finished eating someone who said they were going to buy SFxT

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Jeff Zero
05/15/12 5:52:00 PM
#35:


From: AlphaRayAllen | #033
Alright, but when you think of a massive cross over like SFxT, with all the marketing and hype behind it, one million units is a severe under-performance.

IT HAD A REALITY SHOW, FOR GOD"S SAKE.


Wow, it did? Geez...!

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SSJSephirothGokuX123
05/15/12 5:53:00 PM
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Also one this trailer ( ) starts off calling Street Fighter and Tekken the #1 Selling 2D/3D Fighting Games. For it to have such name power and yet have sluggish sales while other fighting games are doing well for themselves points that fighting game oversaturation isn't that major of a reason why the game is doing bad.

The FGC isn't going to salvage this game either, tons of top players including Mr. Wizard who runs Evo can't wait until after Evo so they can ditch this game.

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AlphaRayAllen
05/15/12 6:08:00 PM
#37:


Cross Assault.

It was a pretty big deal.

For at least one thing, anyway.

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AlphaRayAllen
05/15/12 6:10:00 PM
#38:


From: SSJSephirothGokuX123 | #035
The FGC isn't going to salvage this game either, tons of top players including Mr. Wizard who runs Evo can't wait until after Evo so they can ditch this game.


Wizard dug his own grave with that one, putting the game on the main stage before it was even a few months away from coming out officially.

Kicking off BlazBlue for that trite? Hell, I think you'd see more people asking for Skullgirls at this point. At least people like that game.

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SSJSephirothGokuX123
05/15/12 6:18:00 PM
#39:


It is a Capcom game through, and those usually had the most entrants and viewers, at least until SFxT. He announced the game before it came out, now all you mostly see him do now it regret having the game in the lineup and calling it the worst game Evo ever had. If Evo didn't have to be planned months in advanced he would have removed that game.

Also Skullgirls wasn't allowed due to not having a release date at the time the games for Evo were announced, it'll probably be in next year and have lots of exhibition matches this year.

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AlphaRayAllen
05/15/12 6:35:00 PM
#40:


I'm just saying that the Capcom, if you'll excuse my language, dick riding really went too far with that announcement.

It's when you jump the gun like that because you think a company is infallible that things start to go down hill. I wouldn't be surprised if other games suffered some viewership drops just because of that.

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SythaWarrior
05/15/12 6:52:00 PM
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I doubt Skullgirls will ever be in the Evo line up. Maybe a Sequel.

My bets for next year. Is the Persona 4 fighting game takes the Anime Fighter spot. That game is hella hyped.

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PrivateBiscuit1
05/15/12 7:44:00 PM
#42:


Well let's be fair to SFxT BEFORE it came out. Everyone was praising it. It looked like it was going to be a great game. However, once people started to actually dive into it and really play it a lot... it started to be really bad and its problems were exposed. The fact is that it looked very promising. And then Capcom s*** the bed with it.

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OmarsComin
05/15/12 11:22:00 PM
#43:


yeah before it came out Mike Ross was all like "it's my favorite game ever" and Gootecks was like "not as good as 3s but still really fun"

a month after it came out, Mike Ross was like "I don't like how this game is played" and Marn was like "LOL jab jab jab crossup jab jab jab crossup"

Anyway people still want to play and buy fighting games, they just don't want to play the games that Capcom is designing right now. I know it sounds weird to point at KOF and Skullgirls as doing it right when they sold way less, but if SFxT was designed as an honest fighting game like they were it probably would've sold better. The last time Capcom put out a fighting game that most people liked and respected was CvS2. That was like a decade ago. Seems like these days if you want traditional designed games you need to look somewhere outside of Capcom.

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OmarsComin
05/16/12 12:36:00 AM
#44:


also this topic is basically a guarantee that we are never getting CvS2 Online Edition

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StealThisSheen
05/16/12 12:47:00 AM
#45:


SSJSephirothGokuX123 posted...
Also one this trailer ( ) starts off calling Street Fighter and Tekken the #1 Selling 2D/3D Fighting Games. For it to have such name power and yet have sluggish sales while other fighting games are doing well for themselves points that fighting game oversaturation isn't that major of a reason why the game is doing bad.


But it really doesn't say that oversaturation isn't the problem at all, since... As somebody said in this topic, chances are a LOT of the same people that bought KoF/Skullgirls bought SFxT. Fans of fighting games buy fighting games, and SFxT LOOKED good. KoF/Skullgirls are niche, so their popularity isn't going to really rise and fall all that much. They're going to have the same core fanbase: The FGC, more or less. SFxT is the one that more casuals are going to buy, though, and thus much more likely to be affected by oversatuation.

Not saying I necessarily agree. But it's entirely possible.



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Rad Link 5
05/16/12 1:22:00 AM
#46:


"Our only mistake was releasing it in a crowded time period."

The publisher also addressed Resident Evil: Operation Raccoon City shipping 2 million units as a vindication of its business plan.
And seriously. Operation Raccoon City was a success?

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ShatteredElysium
05/16/12 2:10:00 AM
#47:


AlphaRayAllen posted...
From: SSJSephirothGokuX123 | #035
The FGC isn't going to salvage this game either, tons of top players including Mr. Wizard who runs Evo can't wait until after Evo so they can ditch this game.
Wizard dug his own grave with that one, putting the game on the main stage before it was even a few months away from coming out officially.

Kicking off BlazBlue for that trite? Hell, I think you'd see more people asking for Skullgirls at this point. At least people like that game.


There's no BlazBlue at Evo this year? That sucks D:

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OmarsComin
05/16/12 2:14:00 AM
#48:


wait is BlazBlue actually popular

I thought all the air dasher fans hated it because it ruined Guilty Gear or some s***

I don't know, I don't actually play those games

I hear Persona 4 is doing really well in Japan though

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ShatteredElysium
05/16/12 2:24:00 AM
#49:


I don't think it's mega popular ot anything but I think it's generally pretty well received (least that was the opinion I got on B8).

I know I enjoy it and have never had issues finding matches / other people that play it.

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Westbrick
05/16/12 2:25:00 AM
#50:


Follow-up question: does Capcom actually believe this nonsense, or are they just saying it to save face?

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