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Westbrick
04/17/12 9:04:00 PM
#1:


So I've apparently been banned from their informal Brawl circle because I edgehog and air dodge effectively. Da ****?

I really don't understand the scrub type. These guys have invested thousands of hours into one game, and they're not even going to bother to get good at it? Whatever ugh, now I have to find another Wii to mooch off of

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Jeff Zero
04/17/12 9:05:00 PM
#2:


Wait, you dodge effectively?

Da ****?

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Ness26
04/17/12 9:06:00 PM
#3:


My high school friends got mad at me in N64 Smash for attacking them as they returned to the stage. It's sad since spiking with Ness/Kirby is so much fun!

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pjbasis
04/17/12 9:08:00 PM
#4:


Why don't you not play like an ass?

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ViviffTheMobile
04/17/12 9:08:00 PM
#5:


On more than one occasion I've had people play me and yell about that. Super-casual/scrubby Brawl is a scary place.

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ShadowHalo17
04/17/12 9:09:00 PM
#6:


My saying has always been that if it's in the game, it's legal. If you're a skilled player, you'll find a way around it.

More importantly, why are you playing Brawl?

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paperwarior
04/17/12 9:10:00 PM
#7:


Laaaame. I guess I can sort of in a twisted way see the "dodging effectively" part since it's kind of low-risk and annoying in Brawl, but what are you supposed to do, not air dodge?

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CherryCokes
04/17/12 9:11:00 PM
#8:


From: Ness26 | #003
My high school friends got mad at me in N64 Smash for attacking them as they returned to the stage. It's sad since spiking with Ness/Kirby is so much fun!


Ness' God Foot

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GuessMyUserName
04/17/12 9:13:00 PM
#9:


From: pjbasis | Posted: 4/18/2012 12:08:49 AM | #004
Why don't you not play like an ass?


... how is he playing like an ass?

I mean, I don't exactly want to side with someone that calls people scrubs, but airdodging is just a simple mechanic built into the game for the purpose of being used, and not letting people back onto the ledges is pretty much the entire concept of Smash Bros.

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MarvelousGerbil
04/17/12 9:14:00 PM
#10:


I think edgehogging is pretty stupid and cheap anyway, but "OMG UR DODGING" is a dumb complaint.

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pjbasis
04/17/12 9:15:00 PM
#11:


I mean if you're clearly playing with people of considerably lower skill you should just not use optimum tactics to keep it fair.

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AlphaRayAllen
04/17/12 9:18:00 PM
#12:


Nobody has ever given me crap for playing like that. They know what's going on and that it's a game where the object is to, you know, win. Hell, they say that I'm good when I do stuff like that.

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paperwarior
04/17/12 9:19:00 PM
#13:


I'm usually fairly casual, but telling someone to not use particular game mechanics or strategies is definitely lame and even I'd call someone a scrub for doing so.

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AlphaRayAllen
04/17/12 9:20:00 PM
#14:


By "stuff like that" I mean spiking and murder suiciding with Bowser/Ganon.

I don't edge hog enough for anyone to complain about it. I find it a pretty lame practice myself, but that's irrelevant.

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paperwarior
04/17/12 9:21:00 PM
#15:


Also, it is nice to not go all-out all the time against people who are less good than you, but that's your choice, and you certainly aren't obliged to take a dive.

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GuessMyUserName
04/17/12 9:21:00 PM
#16:


I do agree with going easy on people who suck

I mean going all out on noobs is about as fun as fighting bots. Much more fun to just mess around and be very risking.

but still, air dodging isn't playing like an ass either way!

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PrivateBiscuit1
04/17/12 9:22:00 PM
#17:


This is when you go for style points and kill them with the Mushroom Stomp.

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MarvelousGerbil
04/17/12 9:22:00 PM
#18:


There's such a thing as good sportsmanship though. Just because you can doesn't mean you should in 100% of instances. It's the reason you don't play with Ubers in Pokemon or you don't use a vintage Magic deck against someone who just got into the game. When it becomes no fun for people that are trying to have fun, you just lessen the play time. When I'm playing with anyone that hasn't played much, I typically play as someone like Ganondorf or Bowser so that they can at least be somewhat competitive.

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ExThaNemesis
04/17/12 9:23:00 PM
#19:


Yeah my friends hated me in 64 because I would never let them come back safely. Half the time I would chase them out there to try and spike because my control with PK Thunder was so immaculate.

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paperwarior
04/17/12 9:24:00 PM
#20:


Oh yeah, pick random sometimes. If they aren't satisfied with that, screw 'em.

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LeonhartFour
04/17/12 9:24:00 PM
#21:


Yeah, I had a friend get upset with me for edge guarding. It's not good sportsmanship, I guess.

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X_Lysol_X
04/17/12 9:27:00 PM
#22:


The issue with me and my roommates is that my roommates don't have a competitive bone in their body, so they put no effort into trying to get good. My friend plays as Ike, and he admits he is a crappy character and he won't win with him, yet he plays as him because it is satisfying to get kills with him...

They don't yell at me for edge guardian but I should probably lay off sometimes >_>

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blindhobo13
04/17/12 9:30:00 PM
#23:


From: MarvelousGerbil | #010
I think edgehogging is pretty stupid and cheap anyway


lol

I just tend to usually not play games with people who complain all the time that something is stupid.
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Westbrick
04/17/12 9:33:00 PM
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I mean if you're clearly playing with people of considerably lower skill you should just not use optimum tactics to keep it fair.

Normally I'd agree with you: if you're playing with people for fun, there's no reason to go all Tournament Mode and ruin the vibe. But these guys are serious about Brawl. They play it constantly, I often hear them talking about different strategies (most of which are hilariously awful, but again, they take it seriously), etc. So when I come in and start doing basic stuff, they really shouldn't be complaining. Once I picked Ice Climbers and started chaingrabbing, and ho boy, almost ruined the party!

As for the air dodge complaint... yeah, that one's still an enigma to me. I think it's more code for "we don't like the way you're better than us at a game you hardly play." <_<

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Westbrick
04/17/12 9:35:00 PM
#25:


Another thing I should mention: despite being lolscrubs, they're actually pretty condescending! They claim I'm only good because I stick to two or three characters, whereas they "main random" in order to "really appreciate the game."

They're real cool guys otherwise. But this sort of thing is just bizarre.

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MarvelousGerbil
04/17/12 9:37:00 PM
#26:


From: blindhobo13 | #023
lol

I just tend to usually not play games with people who complain all the time that something is stupid.


I'm not saying I blame people for using it. If they didn't have the foresight to get rid of it, you're free to use it. I just think it's kind of lame and takes the fun out of it, but I've never been into the tournament scene or anything.

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BlackMetalex
04/17/12 9:41:00 PM
#27:


MarvelousGerbil posted...
There's such a thing as good sportsmanship though. Just because you can doesn't mean you should in 100% of instances. It's the reason you don't play with Ubers in Pokemon .

Actually the reason that you don't play with Ubers in Pokemon is because it was decided by the community that the metagame that allows ubers is to some degree degenerate or overcentralized or what have you and thus Players agree to abide by a different set of rules than those enforced by the game. It's really not the same as not airdodging.
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MarvelousGerbil
04/17/12 9:44:00 PM
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From: BlackMetalex | #027
Actually the reason that you don't play with Ubers in Pokemon is because it was decided by the community that the metagame that allows ubers is to some degree degenerate or overcentralized or what have you and thus Players agree to abide by a different set of rules than those enforced by the game. It's really not the same as not airdodging.


Airdodging is basically just like picking a team that doesn't suck. Fine a better example might be you don't bring your team with good EVs/IVs/natures to a fight where someone who doesn't know what EVs and IVs are, didn't care about natures and let the game autolevel them to 100 just to fight you. Maybe pokemon isn't a good example here...

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Robazoid
04/17/12 9:47:00 PM
#29:


But if your best friend just got into Pokemon and wanted to battle you, would you really bust out an EV trained all-uber team? Or hell, an EV-trained anything?

EDIT: Doh should've refreshed, sorry.

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foolm0ron
04/17/12 9:48:00 PM
#30:


So apparently you're a nicer person if you toy around with your opponent like he's a helpless braindead child who cannot hope to ever match your superior skills and give him artificial hope by handicapping yourself, than if you play normally and give him a fair chance to put up a fight?

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MarvelousGerbil
04/17/12 9:49:00 PM
#31:


No, just like if someone just got into brawl, you shouldn't bust out edgehogging. I didn't realize TCs friends were people who think they should be winning tournaments but haven't bothered even trying what he does to beat him.

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GuessMyUserName
04/17/12 9:50:00 PM
#32:


Complaining about Air Dodging makes as much sense as complaining if someone presses Shield ever

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blindhobo13
04/17/12 9:53:00 PM
#33:


From: MarvelousGerbil | #026
I'm not saying I blame people for using it. If they didn't have the foresight to get rid of it, you're free to use it. I just think it's kind of lame and takes the fun out of it, but I've never been into the tournament scene or anything.




And I generally find that when somebody starts complaining nonstop about something and says that I should be playing for fun or whatever, we are then playing different games and it kind of becomes pointless to keep playing since neither of us is enjoying it.

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MarvelousGerbil
04/17/12 9:54:00 PM
#34:


From: foolm0ron | #030
So apparently you're a nicer person if you toy around with your opponent like he's a helpless braindead child who cannot hope to ever match your superior skills and give him artificial hope by handicapping yourself, than if you play normally and give him a fair chance to put up a fight?


Do people seriously not "get" allowing someone to learn a game before you godstomp them? In the TC's case, sure, beat the crap out of them, they think they're awesome but they are just dumb and don't like to acknowledge that other strategies exist. But you can't tell me that someone's first game of anything is going to be fun if you're giving 100% and you could write a dissertation about the game.

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blindhobo13
04/17/12 9:55:00 PM
#35:


And edgehogging is really one of the least 'advanced'/cheap tactics in Smash I can think of. It's not a hard concept to grasp at all.

Everyone in Brawl has stupid good recovery anyway. =p
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04/17/12 9:58:00 PM
#36:


lol

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OInsaneOne
04/17/12 10:23:00 PM
#37:


Yeah, people who don't understand the "not going 100% to be nice to a new player just trying to have fun" don't make sense. If someone isn't worried about being competitive and wants to play a game with you purely for fun, you don't ruin their time by beating them into the ground. Think of it this way, if your 8 yr old nephew or something asks you to play smash with them, are you going to mercilessly beat their character and edge-guard them to death? (If you answer yes, never have children, they'll just hate you).

As for the original story. Probably could have eased up on the edge-guarding, its probably one of the more frustrating things if you don't play that way yourself and don't know what to do against it. Air-dodging thing is just stupid, not sure how you play smash seriously and not know how to air dodge...kind of a fundamental there. Otherwise, probably would have picked random if that's what they mainly do. Typically when I play with friends we all pick whatever, and I'll start choosing only random after a couple rounds to give myself a handicap, but sometimes all of us will pick random except for my one friend who will insist on choosing Kirby after using them for the past couple games and it's just kind of annoying.

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OmarsComin
04/17/12 10:27:00 PM
#38:


I play Mario Kart and Mario Party with these kind of people

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blindhobo13
04/17/12 10:28:00 PM
#39:


From: OInsaneOne | #037
Think of it this way, if your 8 yr old nephew or something asks you to play smash with them, are you going to mercilessly beat their character and edge-guard them to death? (If you answer yes, never have children, they'll just hate you).


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ViviffTheMobile
04/17/12 10:58:00 PM
#40:


I wouldn't do it to a child but a grown-ass man with gaming experience can certainly figure out how to be around something as "cheap" as edge-hogging. Hell, I've got a number of things cheaper than edge-hogging.

Also as a tournament player/state champion, whenever I play newcomers in tourney it's never cut and dry on how hard to go. If I don't go all out and use secondaries and play around, that could be offensive because I perceive them as someone not worth my time and effort and no one wants to be a play thing. On the other hand if I go MK and throttle them in 56 seconds with 40 damage, suddenly the game isn't fun anymore because they literally can't do anything and get completely demoralized as a player. Catch-22.

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Westbrick
04/17/12 11:03:00 PM
#41:


Also as a tournament player/state champion,

For real? That's legit. I didn't even realize Brawl tourneys were still going on! Who's your main?

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GTM
04/17/12 11:05:00 PM
#42:


Glad my friends aren't like that. They usually take not beating me as motivation to beat me, and when they finally do, it's an event and beer is on the house as celebration. Sweet deal.

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04/17/12 11:07:00 PM
#43:


And they definitely don't want me to go easy or else they don't feel as good for beating me >_>;

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pjbasis
04/17/12 11:14:00 PM
#44:


I just use Pokemon Trainer and other fun characters that I'm not good with and just do unoptimal strategies.

Even if I win it's close and visually pleasing.

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MZero11
04/17/12 11:32:00 PM
#45:


I always beat my friends at video games and I never go easy on them. They usually just get pissed and stop playing after failing a few times!

One of my favorites was a buddy who was SO confident he could beat me in Melee. Like, we trash talked for days. When the big day arrived, he chose Fox and I stomped him with Mr. Game and Watch... and Link!

Then I 6-Stocked his little brother with DK (who I never play as)

I've never seen Melee played in that house since (though I've seen Brawl a few times but LOLBRAWL)

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OmarsComin
04/17/12 11:34:00 PM
#46:


Melee is one of those games that everyone thinks they're really good at

I like that personally

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blindhobo13
04/17/12 11:46:00 PM
#47:


You could probably finish a game of Monopoly before Brawl too.
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Westbrick
04/17/12 11:47:00 PM
#48:


Difference being Monopoly actually has good mechanics.

If I didn't have a sports sig thing going, this would totally be it.

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pjbasis
04/17/12 11:49:00 PM
#49:


From: OmarsComin | #046
Melee is one of those games that everyone thinks they're really good at

I like that personally


It's hilarious because me and my freshman roommate after a few weeks mentioned Melee, and it erupted into trying to convince the other that we were better than him.

When we finally clashed we were completely even and it was glorious.

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X_Lysol_X
04/18/12 12:04:00 AM
#50:


I mean, we usually do random levels, and I usually do random characters and I still win every game that I don't get stuck with DK or Bowser or something

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