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Shoenin_Kakashi
01/07/12 6:57:00 PM
#101:


someone forgot about LANDMASTER

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Lopen
01/07/12 6:59:00 PM
#102:


Time to ban Phoenix Wright from MvC3

Too random and gamechanging

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blindhobo13
01/07/12 6:59:00 PM
#103:


WE FINALLY MAHVEL NOW

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Lopen
01/07/12 7:03:00 PM
#104:


Though just to clear it up by the way I agree with you on smash balls but I'm just saying I think the general sentiment is somewhat bad.

Anyone who complains about WC3 item drops is dumb, for instance

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OmarsComin
01/07/12 7:06:00 PM
#105:



Anyone who complains about WC3 item drops is dumb, for instance


I agree!

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skull_bonek23
01/07/12 7:06:00 PM
#106:


OmarsComin posted...
well when you have supers that's usually a level playing field and dependent on what you've done in the match

with smash only one person can be performing one at once, and it's not necessarily a skill-related thing which person it is

it's the same reason people complain about Warcraft III item drops for instance, just a lot more severe. if there's something game-changing and it's reasonably random it probably wont work well in a competitive game.


But it still takes skill to beat your opponent to the ball, break it open (without simply damaging it and giving your opponent a free shot), and land the attack itself (with some exceptions but it's impossible to balance everything 100%).

I'm not sure why you say it's not skill-related. Can you elaborate?

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Shoenin_Kakashi
01/07/12 7:07:00 PM
#107:


the big problem with Final Smashes(aside mostly being hideously OP or terrible) are they are not a consistently available option(and actually remove some to activate) nor do they use a resource to use for the consistency, and some outright change into a different character completely(Hi Samus).

there's also the moronic way of getting them, which is up to chance most the time.

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Lopen
01/07/12 7:11:00 PM
#108:


There would be skill in getting the smash ball if there was any sort of method to the way it spawns other than "random"

It can literally spawn on a character there's really no skill in getting it there.

But yeah they're hideously OP is probably the main reason to nuke em really, even more than randomness. I'm pretty sure some are literally undodgeable.

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Shoenin_Kakashi
01/07/12 7:13:00 PM
#109:


I dont even remember some of them, Like Puffs.

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skull_bonek23
01/07/12 7:14:00 PM
#110:


Man they could have made final smashes so aweso.. scratch that, they could have made BRAWL so awesome. They could have fixed the broken final smashes and made it so that the smash ball still floats around the stage randomly but it floats for 3-5 seconds before it becomes hittable. That way if it spawns on top of someone then everyone else still has a chance to get over there before you can damage it.

why am i not in charge of these games

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skull_bonek23
01/07/12 7:15:00 PM
#111:


Shoenin_Kakashi posted...
I dont even remember some of them, Like Puffs.

She grows into a big Puff

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Shoenin_Kakashi
01/07/12 7:16:00 PM
#112:


Brawl was mostly nothing but bad decisions.

Lol randomly punishing movement in a platformer

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OmarsComin
01/07/12 7:17:00 PM
#113:


tripping vs gems

tripping worse I think
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Lopen
01/07/12 7:19:00 PM
#114:


And I will say that in like... 80% of the possible locations for a Smash Ball to spawn at any given time there will be skill involved.

But still, 20% of spawns flipping a match is pretty dumb.

Though I mean even if they spawned the way you say I'd say axe them because the match turning into "grab the smash ball or lose" at random points would be bad. Now if they were something resembling balanced and spawned the way you said, like you were saying would be cool, then yeah, they'd probably be allowed.

Items in Brawl are kinda just botched. I almost think the designers put stuff like tripping and absurd items in to actively discourage competitive play, hearing the dude's stance on competitive play. Not sure why they'd intentionally piss off part of the fanbase but what are you gonna do.

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Shoenin_Kakashi
01/07/12 7:23:00 PM
#115:


There is 0 reason for Tripping to exist.

I have no idea what the hell they were trying to do with that.

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PrivateBiscuit1
01/07/12 7:29:00 PM
#116:


Because you can trip and your five year old brother can finally get a KO on you.

Which means it's FUN.

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SpeedYoshi
01/07/12 7:33:00 PM
#117:


From: Shoenin_Kakashi | #115
There is 0 reason for Tripping to exist.

I have no idea what the hell they were trying to do with that.


Because of THE MOUNTAIN

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blindhobo13
01/07/12 7:40:00 PM
#118:


From: Shoenin_Kakashi | #115
There is 0 reason for Tripping to exist.

I have no idea what the hell they were trying to do with that.


Sakurai intentionally trying to kill the competitive scene because he doesn't want people to feel bad when they lose.

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metroid composite
01/07/12 7:45:00 PM
#119:


OMG, smash with actually intelligent casters?

I...I'm so confused.

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Panthera
01/07/12 7:48:00 PM
#120:


From: Lopen | #114
I almost think the designers put stuff like tripping and absurd items in to actively discourage competitive play,


This is pretty much impossible to deny, really

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Biolizard28
01/07/12 8:00:00 PM
#121:


Tuned in.

Saw four METAknights

Tuned out.

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Lopen
01/07/12 8:01:00 PM
#122:


From: Biolizard28 | #121
Tuned in.

Saw four METAknights

Tuned out.


Came in to say this exactly

So hilarious

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Shoenin_Kakashi
01/07/12 8:01:00 PM
#123:


im just watching SF4 now.

Only remember 1 match that was metaknight less and it was singles

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Team Rocket Elite
01/07/12 8:02:00 PM
#124:


Is Meta-Knight usage higher than normal in the tournament due to being the last big tournament that allows Meta-Knight?

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blindhobo13
01/07/12 8:10:00 PM
#125:


From: Team Rocket Elite | #124
Is Meta-Knight usage higher than normal in the tournament due to being the last big tournament that allows Meta-Knight?


I would bet that definitely is a factor. Everyone's taking one last ride on the top tier train.

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Shoenin_Kakashi
01/07/12 8:33:00 PM
#126:


ahh yeah Brawl's Defense mechanics.

the main culprit

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Biolizard28
01/07/12 8:42:00 PM
#127:


From: Shoenin_Kakashi | #126
ahh yeah Brawl's Defense mechanics.

the main culprit


Explain.

Are we talking about how blocking works, or how he can just say "F*** your edge guard"

or what

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Shoenin_Kakashi
01/07/12 8:44:00 PM
#128:


All the defense mechanics being stupidly safe and quick

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SpeedYoshi
01/07/12 9:13:00 PM
#129:


-floatiness
-insta-edge grabs
-ridiculous diminishing returns on knockback
-tripping
-DI out of combos
-rolling too safe

all dumb

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TheKoolAidShoto
01/07/12 9:22:00 PM
#130:


This tournament is ass


- Paid bracket and tournament organizers not updating brackets and instead running off and playing Brawl casuals instead of updating SSF4 / Marvel brackets.

- Speakers weren't even given to the SF/Marvel - people had to shout out players names for 12+ hours.

- Being relegated to the lobby, not the actual ballroom hall.

- No real ventilation/air conditioning to speak of

- Being massively delayed. I think Noel Brown even said that after several hours people had only played one match or none at all.

- Stream problems galore. Bracket organizers (when doing their job) wouldn't relegate top players on the stream. In fact one of the commentators pretty much had to beg people to get on the stream station.

- Not following the schedule, and in fact putting Mortal Kombat on when it wasn't supposed to be on.

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WazzupGenius00
01/07/12 9:26:00 PM
#131:


Yeah Noel said that on his twitter. Sounds like a bad situation.

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skull_bonek23
01/07/12 9:56:00 PM
#132:


Wow this is supposed to be one of the biggest Melee/Brawl tournaments and it's run like that? Don't SSB players wonder why the fighting game community doesn't take them seriously?

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OmarsComin
01/07/12 9:59:00 PM
#133:


it's pretty bad when even the FGC doesn't take you seriously
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Aecioo
01/08/12 5:37:00 AM
#134:


lol smash

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metroid composite
01/08/12 7:09:00 AM
#135:


Melee now for a while.

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metroid composite
01/08/12 7:52:00 AM
#136:


Gannondorfs and Dr Marios winning on stream.

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SpeedYoshi
01/08/12 8:54:00 AM
#137:


shroomed sux

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Shoenin_Kakashi
01/08/12 12:06:00 PM
#138:


wow they really are not sticking to the schedule

This is some unprofessional crap.

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WazzupGenius00
01/08/12 12:06:00 PM
#139:


that was a boring top 8. Too much laming out

Seems like Dieminion(replace letters with numbers where necessary) has been winning a lot lately.

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Biolizard28
01/08/12 12:06:00 PM
#140:


Dieminion's terrible to watch in UMvC3.

It's really impressive how in a game with freaking Wesker in it he manages to looks worse with his entire team.

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WazzupGenius00
01/08/12 12:09:00 PM
#141:


I was talking about Street Fighter.

I think they're behind because they waited for like an hour and a half before DQing MarlinPie

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Shoenin_Kakashi
01/08/12 12:09:00 PM
#142:


Dunno what Chris G was trying to do

and yeah thats GULLEY for you

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Biolizard28
01/08/12 12:10:00 PM
#143:


From: WazzupGenius00 | #141
I was talking about Street Fighter.


I don't really care, he's still the worst Marvel player alive to spectate.

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WazzupGenius00
01/08/12 12:21:00 PM
#144:


That TAC back into the corner was pretty sick!

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SpeedYoshi
01/08/12 12:25:00 PM
#145:


From: Shoenin_Kakashi | #139
wow they really are not sticking to the schedule

This is some unprofessional crap.


what was the schedule?

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WazzupGenius00
01/08/12 12:29:00 PM
#146:


Melee was supposed to start an hour ago and Marvel was gonna be at 4

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TheArkOfTurus
01/08/12 12:29:00 PM
#147:


From: Biolizard28 | #143
I don't really care, he's still the worst Marvel player alive to spectate.


Conversely, MarlinPie is the best Marvel player alive to spectate.

Those combos.

Edit: RayRay's Magneto with a strong counter argument.

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GenesisTwilight
01/08/12 12:41:00 PM
#148:


So what happened with MarlinPie?

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Shoenin_Kakashi
01/08/12 12:42:00 PM
#149:


and now ima miss the entirety of Marvel because they cant keep a schedule

great

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metroid composite
01/08/12 1:31:00 PM
#150:


"YEAAAAAAH"

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