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Lopen
01/13/12 10:41:00 PM
#351:


Cause uh HGR's Lux goes like 16/0/20. I'm a lot less good with her and I can usually put up something like 12/3/8 going pure glass cannon. I'm not one to harp on scores too much but the key to look at there is the deaths. Keeping from dying is not the issue with Lux. If it is you need to learn to use your skills better and position yourself better. She's got godly range and a snare, slow, and a shield so spending significant resources on durability is usually wasted income most of the time. Among Luxes that know how to play, it usually either goes "Lux finishes the fight with near full hp" or "Lux gets dunked because she was out of position and would've been dunked easily unless she did something stupid like build full tank"

The issue with Lux is upping your damage enough to remain relevant in team fights. Almost every losing game I've seen with a Lux that was partially to blame was not because the Lux died too much-- it's because her damage just wasn't high enough.

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OctilIery
01/13/12 10:46:00 PM
#352:


So I got forced to join a ranked game late as Mundo because it random'd me him rather than making me dodge when my comp crashed. :(

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AfroSquirrel
01/13/12 10:58:00 PM
#353:


Alright, I think I've got a better idea of builds now. Time to go another game or two.

EDIT: And regarding runes, I'm only level 8, so yeah. Not a whole lot coming in from that department.

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KamikazePotato
01/14/12 12:07:00 AM
#354:


Lee Sin is

Broken

As

****

(and super fun to use)

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MUKMASTER2
01/14/12 8:34:00 AM
#355:


lol I just went on a spending spree and bought Annie, Yi, Poppy, Sivir, Ryze, Jarvan, and Morg.
Now I own 33/100 champs.

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X_Dante_X
01/14/12 9:50:00 AM
#356:


I own Anivia

why would I need anything else

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HanOfTheNekos
01/14/12 11:28:00 AM
#357:


Lopen posted...
Trust anyone more than bio all the time

fix'd for accuracy


AfroSquirrel posted...
Alright, I think I've got a better idea of builds now. Time to go another game or two.

EDIT: And regarding runes, I'm only level 8, so yeah. Not a whole lot coming in from that department.

DOUBLE EDIT: 3/0/14, I spent the first half of the match stalling a Black Mage and dodging ganks. Deathcap is beautiful. And Teleport>Singularity>Master Spark Double Kill is glorious.



Concerning runes - I'd very very highly suggest that you don't spend your IP on anything until you get to the level when you can purchase Tier 3 runes.

I only spent IP on Lux my entire first 20 levels, and I had well over 10000 IP, enough to buy two full sets of tier 3 rune pages.

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Peace___Frog
01/14/12 12:08:00 PM
#358:


Yeah, I honestly regret buying Lux when I was a low level, because I am no good with her and it was just wasted IP. Buying Nidalee, on the other hand, is something I will never regret.

I need to start playing her again.

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OctilIery
01/14/12 5:13:00 PM
#359:


Finally back above 1300, Skarner jungle too stronk

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X_Dante_X
01/14/12 5:46:00 PM
#360:


I realize this is solely because I play with HGR/Ermine/Etc, but everytime we've done a full AP Carry team we've won <_<

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TheConductorSix
01/14/12 6:15:00 PM
#361:


Lux should never get touched.

Ever.

Her burst comes from a range no one can reach without her putting herself in AWFUL position.

Even if they do super dive her she has 2 forms of long range CC to laugh at them with.

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OctilIery
01/14/12 7:10:00 PM
#362:


I normally laugh when I see lux selected, but a good lux is terrifying.

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Iubaris
01/14/12 7:33:00 PM
#363:


From: X_Dante_X | #360
I realize this is solely because I play with HGR/Ermine/Etc, but everytime we've done a full AP Carry team we've won <_<


That was a fun game! I want to try an all-support game some time.

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AfroSquirrel
01/14/12 8:42:00 PM
#364:


So, Lux Summoner Spells. Teleport is just too useful as a utility spell or for hotdropping a fight, but I'm not sure about the other. Currently it's Clarity to help with early mana, but I think I might swap it for Clairovoyance to better set up FFs and to avoid being surrounded by a sneaky player.

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Justin_Crossing
01/14/12 8:57:00 PM
#365:


I run teleport or ignite as Lux.

Clair just lets them know you're ulting.

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red13n
01/14/12 8:59:00 PM
#366:


http://www.own3d.tv/live/21229

Playing with bads. Stream should be interesting in a bad way.

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red13n
01/14/12 9:24:00 PM
#367:


entire enemy premade left and got a leaver.

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Gwindor
01/14/12 9:39:00 PM
#368:


Alistar is so boss

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AfroSquirrel
01/14/12 10:01:00 PM
#369:


From: Justin_Crossing | #365
I run teleport or ignite as Lux.

Clair just lets them know you're ulting.


Oh, Clair has a noticeable visual cue? That seems like it would kinda defeat the point.

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Biolizard28
01/14/12 10:03:00 PM
#370:


From: AfroSquirrel | #369
Oh, Clair has a noticeable visual cue? That seems like it would kinda defeat the point.


It has a big ass eyeball over the casting point.

Presumably because free vision anywhere on the map without any indication that it's up would be broken.

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red13n
01/14/12 10:29:00 PM
#371:


ranked with FD going to be on stream.

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Gwindor
01/14/12 11:26:00 PM
#372:


If you're a support, and you have philosopher's stone and heart of gold

I think you should upgrade to Randuin's Omen instead of Shurelya's Reverie.

The active on SR can't give you an advantage you don't already have. It can help you chase someone, if you've won a fight, or help you run, if you've lost a fight. Either way, the outcome wasn't because of SR. RO reduces enemy movement and attack speed, so you achieve the same movement gains, but also defend your team better. RO has better defensive stats as well.

So, why do I see all these supports building Shurelya's?

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Lopen
01/14/12 11:34:00 PM
#373:


Big reason is probably cause Shurelya's costs 1450 to upgrade and Randuin's costs 2250.

Shurelia's also gives you better bonuses for a support in general-- triple the cooldown reduction is big. And more hp is often more useful than more armor for a support (realize that most of randuin's bonus hp is already had from the heart of gold so you don't gain much there) since they're not going to as often be in a position where they're in danger of death from anything but burst-- meaning it's usually AP that's going to be the danger more than AD.

Randuin's also requires you to be in the thick of it to use its active whereas Shurelya's you can use from back away from the fray where a support will typically big.

So yeah lots of reasons basically

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Lopen
01/14/12 11:40:00 PM
#374:


Breaking it down by stats, what you gain from Randuins:
100 hp
75 armor
25 hp/5 regen (not terribly useful cause you already have philostone)
5% CDR
Slow Nearby Enemies Active

What you gain from Shurelya's:
330 hp
12 hp/5 regen
7 mp/5 regen
15% CDR
Movespeed Active

So Randuin's gets crummier regens, 230 less hp, -10% cdr, and is 800 gold more expensive. The active is potentially stronger but Shurelya's is functionally going to be useful more often. Unless you're against a heavy AD team and really need the armor there's pretty much no reason to use Randuin's, even if you think you can use the active effectively without getting yourself killed. Even used optimally the active isn't that much better.

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Forceful_Dragon
01/14/12 11:41:00 PM
#375:


From: red13n | #371
ranked with FD going to be on stream.


Q'd up for last game of the night, still streaming.

My last game of the night anyways.

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Forceful_Dragon
01/15/12 12:24:00 AM
#376:


Win ~ Gangplank ~ 1-2-8 (4.50) [+13] 1813 [45]
Just a good example of staying on top of the important buffs. Dragons and enemy blues were contested early and then we had them when they came back up.

Win ~ Gangplank ~ 4-0-10 (infinity) [+13] 1826 [34]
Every one on our team did good. Almost everyone on the other team did bad. A very rare case.

Loss ~ Sona ~ 0-5-1 (0.20) [-12] 1814 [45]
meh. Don't like having to support.

Win ~ Kayle ~ 0-3-11 (3.67) [+13] 1827 [45]
But with ^that^ said, supporting with Kayle can be very fun. I love what she can bring to a game. I especially like watching vayne's try and farm normally when they are taking Kayle nukes every time they walk up to CS. Soraka was hard pressed to keep their HPs up.

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Gwindor
01/15/12 12:24:00 AM
#377:


I see. Thanks Lopen

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TheConductorSix
01/15/12 12:34:00 AM
#378:


Also, don't under estimate the importance of that move buff.

Being able to properly engage and disengage is a HUGE part of team fighting. Sometimes things go poorly and you really need to escape without getting aced so that the enemy doesn't get Free Buffs along with Turrets.

The thing I've noticed the higher I get in Elo is that at low elo every team fight is an ace one way or the other. Even when they're losing teams sit around and fight out to the last man. So not only go they get Aced and feed the enemy, the members of the living team can take buffs and turrets without fear.

Shury's also does a good job of babysitting your carry which becomes your sole purpose. Did your team engage and forget to protect the carry? Press Shury and watch your carry escape.

Is the enemy team trying to escape your Carry with low health? Press Shury's and turn everyone into Vayne.

It's an amazing item that I grab on all supports.

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Justin_Crossing
01/15/12 12:47:00 AM
#379:


I want to try solo top Evelynn.

*puts on to-do list*

I say this because I saw a note on Twitch's page (why twitch) of the wiki where you can activate stealth, hit zhonya's, and then have guaranteed stealth afterwards, so this could totally work with Eve and if I run a regrowth pendant on her I shouldn't need sustain too badly since I can pretty much be immune to poke if I really want to. I could also get some of those spell vamp quints and start with 9% spellvamp, meaning that each rank 1 ravage heals for 3, so basically in 10 seconds I can heal ~30 health which is the equivalent of having a regrowth pendant. The problem would be the inevitable pushing to come from that so regrowth into philo is probably the better option, and Eve is still fun even though they completely removed her stun.

I'm also tempted to try to run her as a tanky DPS because she has really good base stats. Her base stats are basically on par with Nocturne (barring Noc's slightly better HP5 and base AD, but Eve gets more AD per level, though only slightly). This basically would make Hate Spike a completely useless ability, but actually functions well with her slow post-stealth, and her ultimate completents AD well with the attack speed.

Okay I just feel like playing Eve again :(

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Justin_Crossing
01/15/12 10:19:00 AM
#380:


i hate critplank

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Silver_Ermine
01/15/12 10:23:00 AM
#381:


Justin_Crossing posted...
i hate critplank

You missed the shenanigans on friday.

3 Parley Crits in a row!

BALANCED!

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Forceful_Dragon
01/15/12 10:49:00 AM
#382:


Alt Games

With Chris:
Loss ~ Garen ~ 5-5-3 (1.60) [-48] 1424 [13]

With Mike(skarmCA):
Win ~ Garen ~ 10-3-7 (5.67) [+49] 1473 [35]
Win ~ Garen ~ 8-5-6 (2.80) [+48] 1521 [14]


Breaking dat 1500 on my alt. People can't deal with garen.

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X_Dante_X
01/15/12 11:00:00 AM
#383:


Spin to win

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SpeedYoshi
01/15/12 11:29:00 AM
#384:


where do you guys get stream links?

is there a hub of some sort like teamliquid is for sc2?

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Forceful_Dragon
01/15/12 11:40:00 AM
#385:


own3d.tv is what most LoL players use.

Either that or Twitch.

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SpeedYoshi
01/15/12 11:43:00 AM
#386:


so you just search LoL there? how do you know who's good and who's not

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Forceful_Dragon
01/15/12 11:45:00 AM
#387:


From: SpeedYoshi | #386
so you just search LoL there? how do you know who's good and who's not


Well the good players are the people who get several thousand people to watch them every time they stream.

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AfroSquirrel
01/15/12 12:33:00 PM
#388:


Tried Ignite, but the range is too short compared to Lux's other things.

And why do so many teams try to send me mid? Lux is way better with some melee to punch people in the face while they're slowed and bound.

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Megaman703
01/15/12 12:37:00 PM
#389:


AP champions scale better off of experience and levels, whereas AD champs have most of their damage from items.

So it's better to put the AP middle so they don't have to share experience.

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red13n
01/15/12 2:11:00 PM
#390:


http://www.own3d.tv/live/21229

Streaming Go4LoL games.

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Biolizard28
01/15/12 2:19:00 PM
#391:


Ermine plays Renekton?

Respek

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Peace___Frog
01/15/12 2:44:00 PM
#392:


shushei is playing Lux right now

http://www.own3d.tv/live/370/FnaticMSI_Shushei_-_League_of_Legends_Stream

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red13n
01/15/12 3:22:00 PM
#393:


streaming some normals.

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Silver_Ermine
01/15/12 5:04:00 PM
#394:


Biolizard28 posted...
Ermine plays Renekton?

Respek


Against a champ that counters him, and won too =P

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TheConductorSix
01/15/12 9:06:00 PM
#395:


Never. First Pick. A solo top.

Please. Just don't.

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Justin_Crossing
01/15/12 9:08:00 PM
#396:


From: TheConductorSix | #395
Never. First Pick. A solo top.

Please. Just don't.


to be fair everything has a counter so there's no 'best' thing to pick first.

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Biolizard28
01/15/12 9:09:00 PM
#397:


From: TheConductorSix | #395
Never. First Pick. A solo top.

Please. Just don't.


This is actually something I've been wanting to know.

Ideally, how would one pick roles? As in, what do you save for last? What can you afford to first pick?

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OctilIery
01/15/12 9:20:00 PM
#398:


From: Justin_Crossing | #396
to be fair everything has a counter so there's no 'best' thing to pick first.


There are plenty that can't be countered as hard as almost any solo top, though.

A jungler, AD Carry, or support is much better.

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TheConductorSix
01/15/12 11:31:00 PM
#399:


I just realized the greatness that comes from building an actual team comp. Our solo top was Nasus so we built around him like crazy.

Zilean Mid
Rammus Jungle
Janna Support
Vayne Carry.

Rammus initiated so that they couldn't just kite Nasus. I sped Nasus up so he could reach squishies. Janna would shield him to further the madness. He bought Guardian Angel and I would Ult him just for funsies.

Like, 3/5 lanes fed, but Nasus was so damn farmed that it didn't matter. He pretty much solo'd their Nexus was 4 people on him and my Ultimate brought him back for huge laughs.

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KommunistKoala
01/15/12 11:47:00 PM
#400:


From: TheConductorSix | #1959
I just realized the greatness that comes from building an actual team comp. Our solo top was Nasus so we built around him like crazy.

Zilean Mid
Rammus Jungle
Janna Support
Vayne Carry.

Rammus initiated so that they couldn't just kite Nasus. I sped Nasus up so he could reach squishies. Janna would shield him to further the madness. He bought Guardian Angel and I would Ult him just for funsies.

Like, 3/5 lanes fed, but Nasus was so damn farmed that it didn't matter. He pretty much solo'd their Nexus was 4 people on him and my Ultimate brought him back for huge laughs.


With my burning hatred of Nasus, I would never stop raging about this horse **** team

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