From: The_Djoker | #206 Hell, name me 15 non-VG characters who could beat Big Daddy, bearing in mind that this is GameFAQs.
Batman Joker Darth vader Luke skywalker Han solo Yoda Goku Vegeta Superman Spiderman Wolverine God Jesus Santa Bruce lee James bond
Never seen lotr might be someone from there
Also non vg characters literally SFF everything
"Bruce Lee"
"Fictional Character"
Also God and Jesus would be ineligible, Vegeta wouldn't, and I even have doubts about Goku (people hate DBZ to this day).
I mean, yes, you probably could get 15 non-VG characters stronger than Big Daddy on this website if you tried. But what would adding them really accomplish?
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Again, people will recognize Batman, and they like Batman, but they won't be passionate about Batman the way they are about Link and the Zelda series.
Batman's as recognizable as Pac-Man and Mario, but the devotion of his fanbase is between the two. People may like his comics, TV shows, movies, and games, but I really doubt voters will be as passionate about Batman from those forms as they will from a character whose high-quality games they grew up with when voting on a gaming site.
I don't see many people caring enough about Batman to vote for him over Mario, let alone Link. Batman may have a chance against the weaker N9ers at best.
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Batman The Joker Wolverine Gambit Nightcrawler Homer Simpson Bart Simpson Mickey Mouse Donald Duck Simba Gandalf Aragorn Darth Vader Obi-Wan Kenobi Han Solo
Don't see any of them struggling to beat Ness or The Boss or whatever fodderline character you want to pick.
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From: The_Djoker | #153Lol @ link tripling goku/ vegeta. Good one. Theyd be one of tge strongest duos
They would have been strong way back in the day. Quite beastly strong probably.
But DBZ has been irrelevant for years. They wouldn't be close to one of the strongest non-VG originating duos anymore. Link/Ganon would destroy them. Yes, I do believe that would be a tripling. It would get ugly.
Back in the day though, when DBZ was popular and Pokemon hated around here, they probably could have broken 40% on Link/Ganon.
Adding characters that we don't know the strength of adds unpredictability to the contest. Unpredictable contests are fun. What's the point of removing Link, since removing him only affects six matches at most?
I mean, yes, you probably could get 15 non-VG characters stronger than Big Daddy on this website if you tried. But what would adding them really accomplish?
Interesting matches????
You have made 0 good points as to why it would be bad. Why the **** you trying to argue against it? Its blatently a logical step forward.
Honestly Batman doesn't have to beat Link to be worth adding. This contest will probably end in Link 65-35ing Mario but if the matches leading up to it were unpredictable and awesome nobody would mind. As is this is a Real Bad contest.
From: WarThaNemesis2 | #044 I think it's worth pointing out that on GameSpot, The Goddamn Joker beat Ganondorf 55-45. Just because a site has Game in the name does not mean that everyone who goes there lives in a bubble where only video games exist.
Then he lost to Kerrigan (I think, I don't feel like checking). Gamestop is more casual and PC-oriented. Zelda's strong there, but it's no Half-Life or Starcraft. GameFAQs has a much different demographic, one that focuses more on RPGs and Nintendo games rather than PC games and casual shooters.
I kinda doubt Batman would even be the strongest non-VG fictional character here. I think Darth Vader would beat Batman in a poll here, as Darth Vader meshes better with the fantasy/sci-fi-setting bias this site has.
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From: Kotetsu534 | #254 Batman The Joker Wolverine Gambit Nightcrawler Homer Simpson Bart Simpson Mickey Mouse Donald Duck Simba Gandalf Aragorn Darth Vader Obi-Wan Kenobi Han Solo
Don't see any of them struggling to beat Ness or The Boss or whatever fodderline character you want to pick.
I can certainly see Gambit, Nightcrawler, Simba, and even Aragorn struggling. And that's all I'm really trying to say. You'll have the iconic main characters who do really well (but not well enough, they'd get stomped by Link) but I think Star Wars is really the only franchise where you can really get more than a good main character and good villain from.
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But DBZ has been irrelevant for years. They wouldn't be close to one of the strongest non-VG originating duos anymore. Link/Ganon would destroy them. Yes, I do believe that would be a tripling. It would get ugly.
Back in the day though, when DBZ was popular and Pokemon hated around here, they probably could have broken 40% on Link/Ganon.
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I meant to say strongest anime duo.
Dbz has nostalgic factor. They wont break 40 but i doubt they get tripled.
From: The_Djoker | #260Batman v Link would break traffic records.
It wouldn't break traffic records of course. This site is too niche now.
But it would be the highest vote drawing match possible of anything 1v1, and would definitely generate traffic externally from GameFAQs, much like L-Block.
I wouldn't mind making such characters eligible, as long as it remains a VG contest (or else votals would just be even s***tier than usual), but I feel that simply having a well-designed bracket is much more important for having a good contest than just throwing more characters in. Having more characters won't mean s*** if they're all thrown in matches so damn obvious that they're simply wasted.
Again, s*** like new characters, removing Link, or even just doing no gimmicks are meaningless if the bracket is a f***ing disaster.
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Not_Wylvane posted... From: WarThaNemesis2 | #044 I think it's worth pointing out that on GameSpot, The Goddamn Joker beat Ganondorf 55-45. Just because a site has Game in the name does not mean that everyone who goes there lives in a bubble where only video games exist. Then he lost to Kerrigan (I think, I don't feel like checking). Gamestop is more casual and PC-oriented. Zelda's strong there, but it's no Half-Life or Starcraft. GameFAQs has a much different demographic, one that focuses more on RPGs and Nintendo games rather than PC games and casual shooters.
I kinda doubt Batman would even be the strongest non-VG fictional character here. I think Darth Vader would beat Batman in a poll here, as Darth Vader meshes better with the fantasy/sci-fi-setting bias this site has.
Link would have beaten Gordon before Steam interfered, so don't go pretending Ganon is trash there. Even if Ganondorf is *only* the GameSpot equivalent of our Bowser, that's still damn good.
Batman's as recognizable as Pac-Man and Mario, but the devotion of his fanbase is between the two.
^ i dont know why people make up stuff. Batman fanbase like pacman?? He has one of the most dedicated fanbases out of any game/comic/movie. Characters out there. You clearly have not been to any comicon events talking about how. Batman fans arent passionate.
Also, other clarification: I'm not strictly AGAINST adding fictional characters, though I'm not for it either. I just don't think it's necessary for unpredictable matches, and the benefit from removing Link from the bracket is much greater. Doing both would be nice, but that negates the off-chance that one of the newcomers would beat Link.
I would rather we had a Link-less field where we opened up the field slightly, to characters like Dracula and Robo-Hitler (yes) who are both non-VG and VG-original so we can test the water somewhat. If they do abnormally well (which I doubt, based on this contest) then maybe it's worth it.
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From: Not_Wylvane | #062 Then he lost to Kerrigan (I think, I don't feel like checking). Gamestop is more casual and PC-oriented. Zelda's strong there, but it's no Half-Life or Starcraft. GameFAQs has a much different demographic, one that focuses more on RPGs and Nintendo games rather than PC games and casual shooters.
I kinda doubt Batman would even be the strongest non-VG fictional character here. I think Darth Vader would beat Batman in a poll here, as Darth Vader meshes better with the fantasy/sci-fi-setting bias this site has.
If the Starcraft community cared about our contests Kerrigan would win here too.
Lol at mentioning PC fanboys. The worst thing about gamefaqs is the ridiculous bias against anything PC.
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From: JJH777 | #071 If the Starcraft community cared about our contests Kerrigan would win here too.
Likewise, I don't think the Batman community cares about our contests.
The majority of Batman's strength would be, surprise, from his games, which are pretty strong here but would make him a high midcarder at best. His outward existence may bump him up a few points to a near-elite or so, but I don't see Bacon allowing non-VG images, so when people see Batman they'll think more of his Arkham Asylum/City presence, which again will make him rather strong but far from a Link-killer.
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From: Not_Wylvane | #072 Likewise, I don't think the Batman community cares about our contests.
The majority of Batman's strength would be, surprise, from his games, which are pretty strong here but would make him a high midcarder at best. His outward existence may bump him up a few points to a near-elite or so, but I don't see Bacon allowing non-VG images, so when people see Batman they'll think more of his Arkham Asylum/City presence, which again will make him rather strong but far from a Link-killer.
Ehh I don't really think Batman would beat Link I'm just saying Gamespot contests shouldn't be discounted because of Kerrigan winning. If one of the big members of the community decided the cared about our contests Starcraft has the most easily rallied fanbase in existence. A Starcraft talk show recently got eSports trending on twitter extremely easily.
Maybe Kerrigan shouldn't but Starcraft should which is what people were voting for.
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Also people who think that we need to add fleets of unknown quantities. A good bracket creates that on it's own. Look at last year. So many upsets, but not that many new characters. That's what we need.
I am still a major proponent of Robo-Hitler however.
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From: JJH777 | #075 Ehh I don't really think Batman would beat Link I'm just saying Gamespot contests shouldn't be discounted because of Kerrigan winning. If one of the big members of the community decided the cared about our contests Starcraft has the most easily rallied fanbase in existence. A Starcraft talk show recently got eSports trending on twitter extremely easily.
I'm just saying there's a slippery slope in arguing about the potential of certain characters here using the contests of another site where the most recent winner was Launchpad F***ing McQuack.
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Still don't understand why people think Goku and Vegeta would get tripled by Link. The series was re-released, still has video games coming out(although not exactly the greatest piece of work), nostalgia factor, anime heavy site.
WarThaNemesis2 posted... Adding characters that we don't know the strength of adds unpredictability to the contest. Unpredictable contests are fun.
I agree, but it's not necessary to add non-VG characters to accomplish that. You could do the same thing by dividing the next 1v1 contest into four brackets by decade, based on when the character debuted:
80s 90s 00s 10s
If 1/4th of the bracket was characters from the last two years, who would win? I have no clue. The 00s would be pretty up for grabs too: none of the final 16 from last year debuted in this millennium.
From: The_Djoker | #360 Really?? So Batman didnt exist before the arkham games?? people relate to batman more than most games.
Thats like saying superman would be weak because of superman 64
He'd get a Superman 64 pic so it'd probably hurt him, yes. It's still going to be a game character contest, and Batman will be represented by his Arkham Asylum/City appearance. People will think of him from that. Remember, this is GameFAQs. We're talking about game characters still.
Also while the site does like it's anime, Goku and Vegeta would get anti-voted to hell. I mean, they probably wouldn't get tripled by Link, but they're both the product of a really polarising series and represented by some widely-disliked games.
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Not_Wylvane posted... From: JJH777 | #071 If the Starcraft community cared about our contests Kerrigan would win here too. Likewise, I don't think the Batman community cares about our contests.
The majority of Batman's strength would be, surprise, from his games
It's not like he's a beloved figure in Western pop culture or anything.
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This is gamefaqs. Our strongest games are OoT and FFVII and MM won our Game of the Decade. CT is one of our most popular games. This is a very heavy games-oriented site, obviously. VG characters will always be more popular than non-VG ones around here.
the strongest non-VG characters would not come close to our NNers. Sure Batman is massively popular in america...but this is freaking GameFAQS not america. People here care more about their GAMES than comic books and movies. Unless you are interested in seeing non-VG fodder vs VG fodder ..
There's a big difference between games themselves and characters. And there's a big difference between going toe-to-toe with Link/Cloud/Mario/Snake/Samus and random near-elites like Ryu and Dante. If you don't think there's any chance that Batman could hang with near-elites then I really don't know what to say.
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Well what if you're someone like me who spends very little time with fictional media outside of gaming? I guess I'm more of an aberration than the norm, but still...I can't see myself caring much for a fictional character contest, personally.
I wouldn't be surprised if Mario was the first fictional character I had ever heard of, in fact.
So yes, *I* would personally prefer if we simply removed Link instead as opposed to keeping Link and adding loads of non-VG native fictional characters I don't give much of a darn about. The latter idea would most definitely be better for site traffic, though. Argh. I don't want to advocate an idea I don't like.
Kotetsu534 posted... There's a big difference between games themselves and characters. And there's a big difference between going toe-to-toe with Link/Cloud/Mario/Snake/Samus and random near-elites like Ryu and Dante. If you don't think there's any chance that Batman could hang with near-elites then I really don't know what to say.
If we do a fictional character contest, Batman should be thrown a gauntlet of near-elites and probably finish off with Samus and/or Mario.
Personally I think there would be a couple pretty strong non-VG characters, but most would fall in the midcarder level. I think Link still destroys everything, and Batman won't change that. If people liked Batman more, I'd figure they'd buy his games and, you know, make Batman games more relevant on this site, but they're not. I know characters =!= games, but it's a good indicative to me.
Oh, and I doubt Nightcrawler would be strong. At all. You guys are overrating comic book characters.
Oh yeah, I definitely am of the opinion that they should be allowed. They just won't be as strong as people like creativename think they will be, is all! And if I'm surprised and Batman defeats Link, then all the better.
More or less what I thought: adding characters native to fictional media outside of gaming would increase votals, while removing Link would pretty much only satisfy those who want more unpredictability and could really hurt votals, which may well be the absolute last thing we need.
I would still really prefer the latter, personally, but you get the point.
From: Kotetsu534 | #092 The thinker? The Deadpool/Nightcrawler poll drew 4k more votes than the Dante/Phoenix one.
More SFF. The VG characters had more "high" percentages. There are only 3 percentages above 10 in the Marvel poll. There are twice as many in the Capcom one. All these polls demonstrate (imo) is that most of the characters in the Marvel poll are incredibly weak. Drawing votals is nice and it could be used as an argument as to why we need fictional characters in the contest, though!
That's my point: higher votals tends to indicate people care more about what's in the poll. Since most of the Marvel characters didn't pull many votes, that suggests Deadpool, Nightcrawler and The Punisher are decent draws. The Capcom poll had Dante, Phoenix Wright, Albert Wesker, Proto Man and Leon Kennedy all over 10% and didn't compete votals wise. I wouldn't read too much into it, but it does suggest the site is familiar with Marvel comic characters.
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