Board 8 > Rivalry Rumble Contest Analysis Crew - Part 3

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From: Kotetsu534 | #100
They blew away Ratchet, but eh. I expect Dante/Vergil could have done something similar.

I find the implication that Ratchet/Nefarious = Sol Badguy/Ky Kiske to be horribly offensive

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Well, I'm just not sure how you praise blowing out Kerrigan/Raynor and take it seriously and then look at Ratchet/Nefarious and go "eh it probably didn't mean anything"

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Yeah I was saying before the contest that Sol vs Ky might be the weakest rivalry in the bracket and I was very pleased with myself in getting them a 6 with my rallying, cause there's no chance they would've got through a vote-in. Ratchet's a level above them, certainly. Ratchet's probably a level above Kerrigan honestly, but that's debatable.

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I don't see any reason for Ratchet/Nefarious to be as 'strong' as Ratchet is. Recent western characters all tanked, the rivalry isn't good or old or known...like people know Ratchet, but Nefarious? Not so much. It's probably going to be one of the bottom weakest rivalries in the bracket (although Sol/Ky would be worse).

Kerrigan/Raynor are combined stronger, older better rivalry, recency with Starcraft 2.

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Well, Kerrigan/Raynor being stronger isn't really an issue considering Ryu/Ken did much better on Ratchet/Nefarious to begin with. That's not really the argument. Well, not for me anyway.

But Raynor/Kerrigan is still going to be fodder. It feels inconsistent to say "Whoa, 77% on Kerrigan/Raynor impressive!" and then say "82% on Ratchet/Nefarious? eh doesn't mean anything"

It's either one or the other. Either they both don't mean much or they both mean something.

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clearly Ryu/Ken used PLAYSTATION SFF to dominate so thoroughly

only explanation

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I think Kerrigan's stronger, but I don't know how much stronger, so it's difficult to actually pull data from those results.

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East Division: Round 3 - Match 51 – (1) PT Red/PT Blue vs. (2) Ryu/Ken

Moltar’s Analysis

Red/Blue
Round 1 - 76.92% vs. Raynor/Kerrigan
Round 1 - 77.96% vs. Luigi/Waluigi

wow

Ryu/Ken
Round 1 - 81.63% vs. Ratchet/Nefarious
Round 2 - 64.98% vs. Fox/Wolf

This is far less impressive.

No cliché “It’s finally here, the match you’ve all been waiting for!” here. I’m going to make this fairly short and to the point (right after this brief summary of events so far). Fighters were the favorites to win pre-contest because Ryu and Ken have looked stronger than Red. Add on to that the Ryu/Ken rivalry should have been one of the most respected and strongest rivalries in the bracket and most people were feeling good. Then the Trainers went out and tripled their opponents twice, and now we’ve got a legit match. Both of these rivalries are very legit in the eyes of the voters, so it’ll come down to which one is stronger.

SFF or not, 78% against Luigi/Waluigi is impressive, while 65% on Fox/Wolf isn’t. Trainers have Pokemon in their pic, so if you believe Charizard helps them, then that’s more evidence in their corner. Pokemon is usually victorious in debated matches because many people on the board underrate it, so tradition also favors them.

Ryu/Ken have the fact that Ryu and maybe Ken would beat Red and Blue 1v1. They also have today’s match, which has X/Zero under 53% against the MK ninjas. I believe that Ryu/Ken > Sub/Scorp, so basically this match comes down to a guess. Is Red/Blue stronger than X/Zero?

I’ll go with yes, even knowing that MMX beat Red 60-40 in 2010. As much as this format does for Ryu/Ken, it looks like it’s doing even more for Red/Blue. I trust nostalgic Pokemon fans here more, so I think the trainers are legit strong enough in this format to win.

And win easily.

Because I can.

Moltar’s Bracket: Ryu/Ken

Moltar’s Prediction: Red/Blue - 55%



Lopen’s Analysis

This is once again a match where the main reason to pick one way is superstition, and the main reason to go to the other way is... well, pretty much everything else. If a match is remotely in the air and Pokemon's involved, you pick Pokemon. It's just got that clutchiness.

Unfortunately, “superstition” is 1-0 in this contest, so it'd be foolish to rule it out here. The way you have to feel to feel fighters have a chance is if you don't think this match should be close. And it very well might not be. The fighters have every factor in the book going for them over the trainers. They're OLDer, their rivalry is longer running, both Ken and Ryu are stronger than Red or Blue. There's not one thing to me that says this match should be close. Fighters looked better in round 1, doing a higher percent against a rivalry that is probably the stronger of the two. In round 2, trainers SFFed Waluigi into the dirt but... it's Waluigi-- I could see Fox vs Wolf doing about the same, and the Fighters looked very good against Fox and Wolf. I also kinda think Cecil's 2010 numbers are a bit inflated and Luigi/Waluigi are weaker than they appear as a result of that.

That and there's also the MK ninjas doing very well today that speaks well for Ken and Ryu. Could it be that GameFAQs actually respects the classic fighting game rivalries?
So the question you ask yourself is... is this a b8ism where some loud members of b8 are making a match where there isn't one, ala Red vs MMX? Or is it a match that actually could be close where the Pokemon will pull it out? I'm leaning towards the former, personally. If you think it's going to be close, bet on Pokemon.

And yet, because it's Pokemon, you can't rule it out here. Pokefans can very well find a way to rally or whatever they wanna do, and it may work. I'm not a man of superstition, though, and I'll be damned if I'm going to start being one now, even if it is 1-0, especially betting against the team that would win the contest if GameFAQs wasn't stupid. But despite this percentage, I am not entirely confident here. I just see this being the most likely scenario.

Time for a SHORYUKEN right to the pokeballs let's do this. The answer lies in the heart of battle etc.

Lopen's prediction:
Ryu vs Ken with 57.73%



Leon’s Analysis

Well, this is it. This might be the match that determines who wins or loses the contest. After Samus’s disappointing results up to this point, anyone who picked Trainers or Fighters to beat her next round will be feeling very good about their brackets if they get this match right. I think a large chunk of Board 8 has sided with the Trainers, thinking they’re riding this huge wave of momentum and they’re just going to blow past the Fighters here, but I’m not so sure about that.

Yes, getting 77% on Luigi/Waluigi was impressive and you don’t put up those sort of numbers unless you’re well liked, but I think you have to give some flack to Waluigi for being an abysmal anchor. Plus, there was some SFF involved, so you can’t take that result purely at face value. I think Ryu/Ken have looked pretty good in their two matches. 65% on Fox/Wolf (translating to 72.50% on Yuna/Seymour, who I doubt are far from Cecil/Golbez in either direction) is a strong showing, I think.

Yes, the Trainers are going to get a strong board vote, but getting a strong board vote doesn’t equal auto-win. I think some people are overestimating how big it’s going to be because they’re underestimating Ryu/Ken’s strength. If Ryu/Ken are strong enough, a good board vote for the Trainers isn’t going to win the match for them, but some people are talking like the Trainers are just going to overwhelm this match and win it in the first minute because “Whoa man board vote!” I think Ryu/Ken are strong enough to weather that and win this match.

And if this match is in doubt heading into the ASV, you better believe that California ASV will push Ryu/Ken to victory! I picked Ryu/Ken to the semifinals before the contest, and I’m sticking with it, even if it means I (and my Battle Bracket) go down with the ship here! Red/Blue obviously have a great chance of winning, but I’m not backing down. They’ve looked good, but I don’t think they’ve looked as unbeatable as some are claiming. We’ll see though! I fully expect whoever wins here to beat Samus/Ridley next round (assuming she even gets that far, that is…! Hint hint hint)

Leonhart’s Prediction: Ryu vs. Ken Masters with 51.00%



Kleenex’s Analysis

Despite this being such a high profile match, I don't really have a whole lot to say about it. I think the board is probably going to be miserable throughout most of the day regardless of who is winning. I really hope Ryu and Ken win, and that's what I'm going for with my prediction, because that's just how I roll. If I actually wanted the point, though, I'd take the Trainers and fairly comfortably. The fanbase is much more fanatical about their stuff. Pokemon fans are weird.

Kleenex's incorrect Prediction: Ryu vs. Ken with 51.98%

Dante’s Analysis

Man, I have no idea who I'm going to pick at the end of this. I've seen this match debated since round 1, with people who nostalgia hard for pokemon backing the trainers like no tomorrow and those who grew up with street fighter doing the opposite. See, I always underestimate pokemon, and thats the main thing scaring me. See, my actual bracket actually had Luigi over the trainers. And yet, even after they almost went 80% on them, I'm not phased. I don't think they're as powerful as they're chalked up to be. Looking at this contest: Fighters got 80% on Ratchet, 65% on Fox. Trainers got 77% on Luigi, 76% on Kerrigan. Literally the only strong team in this group is Fox, and I feel like that isn't even helpful. The worst part is this match won't even be close, it'll be a clean 60-40 either way it goes. I just can't convince myself to back the trainers even though my gut is kinda telling me to, so

Winner - Ryu/Ken - 60.44%



Guest’s Analysis - Korayashi

As I recall I got an accuracy point last time. Because I'm amazing and know what I'm doing! Ahahaha! Aha..aha....ha...probably should of picked a more clean-cut match to be honest. This one can realistically go either way. Here are some stats!

Ryu/Ken > Fox/Wolf - 64.98%
Ryu/Ken > Ratchet/Nefarious - 81.63%

vs.

Red/Blue > Luigi/Waluigi - 77.96%
Red/Blue > Raynor/Kerrigan - 76.92%

Based off this it's rather clear who is more consistent/impressive, that being Pokemon. Still, Ryu/Ken shouldn't be written off and are even the favorite in the guru. As of this writing, them favorites? They haven't been losing! :O! But yeah, I feel it will be rather close anyway.

Korayashi's Bracket: Pokemon > Street Fighter

Korayashi's Vote: Ken/Ryu, I've got a soft spot for fighting game rivalries.

Korayashi's Prediction: RED/BLUE with 54.37%.


Crew Consensus: Ryu/Ken is the favorite, but Moltar and Guest are going for the...upset?

Bless our SF loving Crew

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looks like we finally get our first match wrong!

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man, most debated match of the contest and AKJ doesn't even show up

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AKJ's analysis

Aw yeah this is it, this is the match I've been looking forward to for at least a week. I feel like Sub Zero vs scorpion's "strength" was somehow artificially inflated this contest. Yeah, they're a cool 90s rivalry and all that, but when you get to the heart of the matter they just don't "feel" like legitimately "strong" characters. Ryu (and Ken I guess) are different though. These guys are actually relevant today. They're definitely more iconic. If you look at a picture of Ryu from 2011 and 1992 you can easily tell they're the same people - try that with Scorpion or Sub Zero. Ryu vs Ken came out of the gates putting up a devastating 81% on fodder, followed by a near doubling of a solid Nintendo icon. These guys are here for real. That's why Ryu vs Ken has a serious shot at this match.

None of that matters to me, though, because the Pokemon Trainers are the heroes of the contest for me. I've seen several people on board 8 over the weeks really nail down exactly what it is about this rivalry that makes it just so perfect. Maybe it has a lot to do with Blue being there from step 1, picking your pokemon's weakness, and either laughing at you when he beats you or shrugging off the practice match for not mattering if not. There's just no winning with this guy. He's always one step ahead of you, and people remember that! It's also reinforced by many of us having fond memories of the Pokemon anime after school 10+ years ago. Sure, Ash and Gary aren't Red and Blue, but they're close enough that some people associate the memories. (Not everyone can be a cultured voter that loves Red from the Pokemon Special manga!) So when Red vs Blue tripled Kerrigan in round 1, I figured that was about right. I had maybe even expected more, and remember this is coming from someone that took Kerrigan > Vincent back in the day. Just saiyan. But then round two happened and something so weird occurred. How in the WORLD does Red vs Blue hold LUIGI to the same-ish percent as Kerrigan? Luigi is not Kerrigan, and I don't care how much you blame Waluigi bringing down the team.

I think this has a lot to do with Oldschool Pokemon being somewhat ubiquitous among Gamefaqs gamers. I mean just look at the sales numbers. It's not an exaggeration to think of Red vs Blue, exposure-wise, of being in the same ballpark (probably a tier below, but close) as Mario and Link. E v e r y o n e knows these guys, and for all the aforementioned reasons many people have reasons to love them. For a comparison, look at someone like Solid Snake. For every die hard fanboy, there's someone like me that didn't like the games and only really "knows" Snake from Super Smash Bros. Or like me, who had to look up who Commander Shepard is. Or who only knows about Dante from previous Gamefaqs contests.

So do I think Pokemon will hold the Fighters to near 75% again? No, not exactly this time. I don't think it'll be in contention, but like I said in the beginning, Ryu has some serious strength and the two do have a great rivalry. In my bracket I have the Pokemon Trainers in the finals - it's not possible, I know that, but I want to believe just one round more!

AKJ predix Red vs Blue with 55.55%

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This is our moment of glory, when we prove crew > board! Oh yes. Rally behind the Street Fighters, gang. Even if... one of our members is just taking it to take it. Not that I can blame him.

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From: th3l3fty | #116
man, most debated match of the contest and AKJ doesn't even show up

wow I was just a couple minutes late, this is my last week of school before graduation I've sorta got some stuff

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From: AppIekidjosh | #118
oh damn should've gone .56 lower

note when I made this post I hadn't seen the guest's percentage

whatever who needs accuracy when you have upset

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Ryu/Ken > Ratchet/Nefarious - 81.63%
Red/Blue > Raynor/Kerrigan - 76.92%

Very good piece of information that Korayashi brought up there. I actually took that information and did a comparison on what Raynor/Kerrigan would get on Ratchet/Nefarious if the Trainers and Fighters were equal. And the projections aren't good at all. Raynor/Kerrigan would need 60.20% on Ratchet/Nefarious just for the Trainers to be equal to the Fighters. The Trainers had a timeframe disadvantage in round 1, as they managed to bleed 3% after the end of the first hour. The Fighters had a much better timeframe for their round 1 match.

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It's more pro-Street Fighter than anti-Pokemon, really.

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maybe if Ngamer hadn't already tipped his hand this would be more suspenseful!

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I don't know who to pick still. Argh, I might just stay with Trainers.

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Red vs Ryu

Here we go, The Match of the Year! It's been talked about to death, so I'll try to keep it short with some quick bullet points

* I still believe that Ryu > Subby's team and MMX > Red's team, so this should be close.

* I don't believe that Pokemon's pic advantage is as huge as people are making it out to be- Ryu/Ken look great and historic and iconic and nostalgic in most of these!

* Something like 60% of the site have been Poke-fanatics at one point or another, based on polls in the last few years. But SF's sure to have some large overlap with that fanbase as well, and then you've got to figure that 90% of those who were never Poke-crazy are going to go Ryu (not exactly anti-votes, more respect votes).

* But you don't bet against Pokemon in a close match, and it should be able to recover so well with the ASV if in trouble...

CRAP, got to flip flop! Wait no, stay strong Ngamer!

*resists urge*

Ryu - 50.00%

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called it! wish I had the balls to do it in my Oracle

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oh crew

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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.

Welp that's it for contests for me. I'll finish my job here and be on my way.

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LOL this board vote

my god

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The one thing that could've made this contest be cool at all outside of Link losing would be Ryu/Ken getting to the final four

But no we can't have nice things.

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I think the Bosses might be the only thing still standing in my way of getting all of the remaining matches correct in my battle bracket. Maybe even Alucard/Frog, but I think that's slightly less debatable than Samus/Bosses.

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blind faith in nostalgic pokemon voters pays off again!

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looks like we might need Marth to show up again and end this like he ended the Brawl Fighting League

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I prefer blind faith in blind pokemon voters personally

Red vs Blue seriously

I can't get over this

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Why is this so hard for you to understand

it's definitely my favorite rivalry in the contest

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From: AppIekidjosh | #140
Why is this so hard for you to understand

it's definitely my favorite rivalry in the contest

That would be the hard part to understand, I think.

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If it makes you feel better I voted for the SF team.

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From: Safer Sephiroth 777 | #144
First match the crew got wrong?Well it was bound to happen.

wow not everyone in the crew geez

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I didn't said everyone.I said as a whole.But still some said the contest would be with no surprises!Guess that isn't true eh?

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ugh the contest is still no surprised ugh rest of the crew bringin me down

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It's not really an upset, it's more the majority going for the upset because we're SF fanboys and/or Pokemon haterz

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I would've went with the fighters here too, but not so much out of SF fanboyism or Pokemon hatred -- I'm closer to the opposite -- but Ryu/Ken is just the better rivalry tbqh.

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