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ExThaNemesis
11/02/11 11:35:00 AM
#151:


From: Metal_DK | #149
So ya, that tatted up guy at the bar will still get those college aged girls


You mean the most attractive women? The ones I was talking about in the first place?

I know. :)

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The Mana Sword
11/02/11 11:36:00 AM
#152:


nice try extha we've screenshots of you looking up MILF porn

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Greyfeld
11/02/11 11:37:00 AM
#153:


ExThaNemesis posted...
From: Metal_DK | #149
So ya, that tatted up guy at the bar will still get those college aged girls
You mean the most attractive women? The ones I was talking about in the first place?

I know. :)


lol yeah, I'm sure that'll be rewarding and fulfilling. 40 y/o dude still going to dive bars to hit on girls half his age. Yeah, that won't be creepy or weird at all.

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ExThaNemesis
11/02/11 11:37:00 AM
#154:


i just wanted to see what color your mom's underwear was. :(

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BoshStrikesBack
11/02/11 11:37:00 AM
#156:


actually, no. Thats incorrect. What im saying is the "alpha male" stops being an alpha male in the eyes of women his age and the man with the good job and looks good/in good health starts BEING the alpha male. Because he has money and looks very presentable.

So ya, that tatted up guy at the bar will still get those college aged girls (until he turns in his mid/late 30s and is labeled a creeper by even 18 to 22 crowd), but the man with stability and has long term goals will indeed be more attractive to women.


It's incredibly obvious that you don't understand women, because this hypothetical dilemma reeks of naivete. And it's a false choice, by the way. "Loser with tats" getting young girls over "loser with job," and vice-versa for older women, might be the case, but all of those traits I listed earlier (most notably confidence, poise, and tact) remain much more important. You'd be surprised how even the most basic of social skills can put a man far above his competitors.

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ExThaNemesis
11/02/11 11:38:00 AM
#157:


From: Greyfeld | #153
lol yeah, I'm sure that'll be rewarding and fulfilling. 40 y/o dude still going to dive bars to hit on girls half his age. Yeah, that won't be creepy or weird at all.


So much documented evidence of 40 year olds with game pulling college girls that it's not funny.

But feel free to continue burying your head in the sand and believing that you'll somehow out-grow your beta tendencies.

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Metal_DK
11/02/11 11:39:00 AM
#158:


You mean the most attractive women? The ones I was talking about in the first place?

I know. :)


did u not reed the whole sentence or are just trying to fox news me by putting different words in my mouth.

A guy will get those college aged girls until he turns in his mid to late 30s and then he becomes a "creeper" by even the immature 18 to 22 year old crowd. Yep. Its true. Sorry bro.

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BoshStrikesBack
11/02/11 11:39:00 AM
#159:


see this is the thing I'm not fond of with these alpha/beta talks. What you just said is just so narrow minded. Women like slobs, women like guys who are dressed up, women like everything in between. If you want to argue statistics you can, but the truth is every female is different. Really the reason you should dress up nice to go out isn't to get more tail, it's because you should have the self respect to look as good as you can. Do it for yourselves, not women.

I do want to talk statistics, yeah. The truth here is that women fall into very predictable patterns of preference. You can deny this if you want, but expect your string of failures with women to continue. You're like the guy who keeps casting his line without bait, hoping that a fish will bite regardless.

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BoshStrikesBack
11/02/11 11:40:00 AM
#160:


A guy will get those college aged girls until he turns in his mid to late 30s and then he becomes a "creeper" by even the immature 18 to 22 year old crowd. Yep. Its true. Sorry bro.

The ****? College girls love attractive, suave older guys. The ones calling them "creepers" tend to be the guys who are getting their prey stolen out from under them.

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ExThaNemesis
11/02/11 11:41:00 AM
#161:


From: Metal_DK | #158
A guy will get those college aged girls until he turns in his mid to late 30s and then he becomes a "creeper" by even the immature 18 to 22 year old crowd. Yep. Its true. Sorry bro.


You are very near the edge of 'beyond help'.

An alpha is an alpha is an alpha. Odds are by his late thirties he will have perfected his craft and will be even better at swooping in and stealing girls from younger guys with these vaunted jobs and goals that you're talking about.

And girls will still swoon over his every alpha witticism and backturn. Look at Silvio Burlusconi. An alpha is an alpha is an alpha, no matter the age.

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Metal_DK
11/02/11 11:43:00 AM
#162:


The ****? College girls love attractive, suave older guys. The ones calling them "creepers" tend to be the guys who are getting their prey stolen out from under them.

if you think the majority of hot college girls that are 18 to 22 like dating guys that are in the late 30s, then you seriously need to go to a college campus. No question ill agree that they love to date guys that are 3 to maybe about 7 years older than them. But most 18 year olds do not want to date a 38 year old. Sorry.

If im a "beta male" (like extha seems to think) for thinking that, then label me a beta male for all i care.

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Greyfeld
11/02/11 11:44:00 AM
#164:


ExThaNemesis posted...
From: Greyfeld | #153
lol yeah, I'm sure that'll be rewarding and fulfilling. 40 y/o dude still going to dive bars to hit on girls half his age. Yeah, that won't be creepy or weird at all.
So much documented evidence of 40 year olds with game pulling college girls that it's not funny.

But feel free to continue burying your head in the sand and believing that you'll somehow out-grow your beta tendencies.


Speaking of the problems with alpha/beta talk, this is one of them right here. I happen to have a different viewpoint on dating, so that automatically makes me beta? Come on now, really?

And the thing is, no amount of logic will ever win this debate, because the people arguing it don't care about logic. They care about feeling superior. And there's this misguided notion that somehow, getting easily-manipulated women to sleep with you makes you superior.

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KingButz
11/02/11 11:44:00 AM
#165:


From: BoshStrikesBack | #160
A guy will get those college aged girls until he turns in his mid to late 30s and then he becomes a "creeper" by even the immature 18 to 22 year old crowd. Yep. Its true. Sorry bro.

The ****? College girls love attractive, suave older guys. The ones calling them "creepers" tend to be the guys who are getting their prey stolen out from under them.


Just look at Barney Stinson. Mid-thirties and still banging college girls

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Greyfeld
11/02/11 11:46:00 AM
#166:


KingButz posted...
From: BoshStrikesBack | #160
A guy will get those college aged girls until he turns in his mid to late 30s and then he becomes a "creeper" by even the immature 18 to 22 year old crowd. Yep. Its true. Sorry bro.

The ****? College girls love attractive, suave older guys. The ones calling them "creepers" tend to be the guys who are getting their prey stolen out from under them.
Just look at Barney Stinson. Mid-thirties and still banging college girls


LOL I was just thinking of him.

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KingButz
11/02/11 11:46:00 AM
#167:


And just to toss in my 2 cents, it's undeniable that most women are attracted to confident, powerful men. It's the same way that most guys are attracted to girls with a blemish-free face and a nice rack/ass. You can argue there are exceptions, but believe me I wouldn't want a girl that wasn't attracted to my confidence.

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Greyfeld
11/02/11 11:50:00 AM
#168:


KingButz posted...
And just to toss in my 2 cents, it's undeniable that most women are attracted to confident, powerful men. It's the same way that most guys are attracted to girls with a blemish-free face and a nice rack/ass. You can argue there are exceptions, but believe me I wouldn't want a girl that wasn't attracted to my confidence.

I don't think any of us are denying the need for confidence. But I'm not into playing head games, and I refuse to date girls who are.

I'll say this again, doormats are bad. But this ros- whatever guy's idea of "alpha" and "beta" has nothing to do with being confident, and everything to do with playing games to score easily-manipulated women.

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BoshStrikesBack
11/02/11 11:53:00 AM
#169:


Speaking of the problems with alpha/beta talk, this is one of them right here. I happen to have a different viewpoint on dating, so that automatically makes me beta? Come on now, really?

It's not a matter of opinion: there are alpha attitudes, and then there are beta attitudes. If you want to dispute which works better, then go right ahead; they are what they are, however.

And the thing is, no amount of logic will ever win this debate, because the people arguing it don't care about logic. They care about feeling superior. And there's this misguided notion that somehow, getting easily-manipulated women to sleep with you makes you superior.

This is entirely about logic- namely, empirical logic. There are patterns of behavior that women predictably fall into, and being able to exploit these gives you power over the opposite gender. This can be used for free sex, sure, but also to acquire a long-term relationship or a lifelong partner. Everything involves game.

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Metal_DK
11/02/11 11:54:00 AM
#170:


You are very near the edge of 'beyond help'.

An alpha is an alpha is an alpha. Odds are by his late thirties he will have perfected his craft and will be even better at swooping in and stealing girls from younger guys with these vaunted jobs and goals that you're talking about.

And girls will still swoon over his every alpha witticism and backturn. Look at Silvio Burlusconi. An alpha is an alpha is an alpha, no matter the age.


LOL. You are bringing up the leader of a country? And comparing him to a (barely) 20k a year mid 30s "struggling musician". Saying hes proof that "an alpha is an alpha" crap. Have you ever thought no hot girl would give berlusconi the light of day if he wasnt...oh i dont know....THE PRIME MINISITER of a country? And barney stinson as an example?

Oh dear god b8....your logic is about as existent as a 15 year old girl's.

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wg64Z
11/02/11 11:54:00 AM
#171:


did you ignore the second half of my sentence? I agreed with you, but said it was off topic.

dammit stop being so defensive


BUT MOM SAID IM PERFECT!!!

Kidding. But yes I did read the last half, but I feel like people's definition of not being a slob and trying to look good are very skewed.

It's very easy to look decent, hygenic and well groomed. But since it's so easy, you will not stand out at all. You have to make an effort to get clothes that bring out your attributes. And no I don't mean skinny jeans, those are disgusting.
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SMOKEDOG42O
11/02/11 11:57:00 AM
#173:


I encourage criticism, so long as it's constructive. Like, I'm about 5'9", maybe 5'10" if I decide to have good posture. If you're 6'6" and you say I'm short that's not constructive criticism - that's just criticism.

Examples out of the way, I'm of the opinion that people don't criticize each other enough, and we've gotten soft and unable to cope with being criticized. I say man up and take what those around you say to heart - it can only make you a better person if you improve on all your flaws, after all.

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Metal_DK
11/02/11 11:58:00 AM
#174:


yeah being confident is another thing I wouldn't throw into an alpha/beta discussion. I consider that a part of growing up. Saying "males need to have confidence" is the same to me as saying "males need to learn how to become potty-trained" It's not something that splits us down the middle, it's something that everyone needs, regardless of their plans with women.

no, confidence is key.

But the thing is, women will view men with a high paying job and good health as confident. Because they needed some sort of confidence and "gusto" to get that far.

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KingButz
11/02/11 11:58:00 AM
#175:


From: Metal_DK | #170
You are very near the edge of 'beyond help'.

An alpha is an alpha is an alpha. Odds are by his late thirties he will have perfected his craft and will be even better at swooping in and stealing girls from younger guys with these vaunted jobs and goals that you're talking about.

And girls will still swoon over his every alpha witticism and backturn. Look at Silvio Burlusconi. An alpha is an alpha is an alpha, no matter the age.


LOL. You are bringing up the leader of a country? And comparing him to a (barely) 20k a year mid 30s "struggling musician". Saying hes proof that "an alpha is an alpha" crap. Have you ever thought no hot girl would give berlusconi the light of day if he wasnt...oh i dont know....THE PRIME MINISITER of a country? And barney stinson as an example?

Oh dear god b8....your logic is about as existent as a 15 year old girl's.


Something tells me Metal_DK isn't getting laid

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BoshStrikesBack
11/02/11 12:00:00 PM
#176:


yeah being confident is another thing I wouldn't throw into an alpha/beta discussion. I consider that a part of growing up. Saying "males need to have confidence" is the same to me as saying "males need to learn how to become potty-trained" It's not something that splits us down the middle, it's something that everyone needs, regardless of their plans with women.

Stop proving to everyone that you have no idea what the alpha/beta distinction actually means.

EDIT: For your sake, I'll be clearer. There alpha values and beta values, sure, but then there are dozens of other value sets; among these are social values. "Be confident" is a social value; if one can adhere to this consistently, it can help you get girls, as it overlaps with alpha values. "Always treat women well" is a social value; if one adheres to this consistently, it actually hurts one's chances of getting women, as it overlaps with beta values.

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Metal_DK
11/02/11 12:01:00 PM
#177:


something tells me kingbutz likes it there

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BoshStrikesBack
11/02/11 12:01:00 PM
#178:


But the thing is, women will view men with a high paying job and good health as confident. Because they needed some sort of confidence and "gusto" to get that far.

Modest income and health are indicators of attractiveness, sure. They also happen to be minor ones. Social skills always win out.

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Metal_DK
11/02/11 12:04:00 PM
#179:


Modest income and health are indicators of attractiveness, sure. They also happen to be minor ones. Social skills always win out.

amount of girls that would date mark zuckerberg when he was in college: 0
amount of girls that in the present would think hes "kinda cute" and would date him: too many to count.

why? because he has money.

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Greyfeld
11/02/11 12:04:00 PM
#180:


BoshStrikesBack posted...
Speaking of the problems with alpha/beta talk, this is one of them right here. I happen to have a different viewpoint on dating, so that automatically makes me beta? Come on now, really?

It's not a matter of opinion: there are alpha attitudes, and then there are beta attitudes. If you want to dispute which works better, then go right ahead; they are what they are, however.

And the thing is, no amount of logic will ever win this debate, because the people arguing it don't care about logic. They care about feeling superior. And there's this misguided notion that somehow, getting easily-manipulated women to sleep with you makes you superior.

This is entirely about logic- namely, empirical logic. There are patterns of behavior that women predictably fall into, and being able to exploit these gives you power over the opposite gender. This can be used for free sex, sure, but also to acquire a long-term relationship or a lifelong partner. Everything involves game.


Do you even know what alpha/beta means? Alpha is supposed to be the "leader," the "strongest of the pack." The "dominant male." Betas are supposed to be the "second in command," equally powerful, only subordinate to the Alpha (and ready to become Alpha, should something happen to the current Alpha).

In reality, the term Beta has nothing to do with being weak or submissive. He's the man behind the man in charge, the advisor, the vice-president, the First Lieutenant. He's the person that keeps **** going when the leader falls.

That's why this alpha/beta talk is complete garbage. It's a term coined by some lonely individual who's grown so tired of chasing loose women that he's actually created a blog on the subject, to attract other people to his ridiculous cause. This terminology is a way to make you feel superior, despite the fact that all you're really doing is supporting the idea that men and women should manipulate each other and fornicate repeatedly, and anybody who isn't doing the same is somehow inferior to you.

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AlecTrevelyan006
11/02/11 12:05:00 PM
#181:


From: Metal_DK | #179
Modest income and health are indicators of attractiveness, sure. They also happen to be minor ones. Social skills always win out.

amount of girls that would date mark zuckerberg when he was in college: 0
amount of girls that in the present would think hes "kinda cute" and would date him: too many to count.

why? because he has money.


Hasn't he been with the same girl since before he created Facebook?

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VincentLauw
11/02/11 12:06:00 PM
#182:


And to think this all started one day when Alec made cheesecake.

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KingButz
11/02/11 12:07:00 PM
#183:


From: Metal_DK | #177
something tells me kingbutz likes it there


I don't even know what this post means.

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Greyfeld
11/02/11 12:08:00 PM
#184:


And for the record, I don't feel I'm superior to anybody. I don't think my best friend is in the right when he constantly picks up girls that are 7's and 8's, despite already having a girlfriend; but it's his life, and he's welcome to live it however he wants.

Similarly, I would hope that all you "alpha" morons would have the same decency for those of us who choose to relate to women in our own way. But obviously that's not the case.

But I really shouldn't be surprised. The type of person who feeds off this garbage is the exact same type of person who doesn't have respect for other people.

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LeonhartFour
11/02/11 12:08:00 PM
#185:


From: GuessMyUserName | #183
what the

this topic certainly exploded since I last topic


*checks*

.. it's about alphas/betas now? -_-


Yeah, this topic became a lot lamer after Lockes' post.

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Metal_DK
11/02/11 12:09:00 PM
#186:


I don't even know what this post means.

because youre a beta.

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BoshStrikesBack
11/02/11 12:09:00 PM
#187:


amount of girls that would date mark zuckerberg when he was in college: 0
amount of girls that in the present would think hes "kinda cute" and would date him: too many to count.

why? because he has money.


Speaking of bad logic...

Zuckerberg is an interesting example: the dude's still a social incompetent (although from what I've read, he's mellowed out since breaking out), but he's got so much money that his lack of social skills allow him to get women all the same. Now, does this apply to people making 40k a year the same as it does to someone making 40mil? Of course not.

That's why this alpha/beta talk is complete garbage. It's a term coined by some lonely individual who's grown so tired of chasing loose women that he's actually created a blog on the subject, to attract other people to his ridiculous cause. This terminology is a way to make you feel superior, despite the fact that all you're really doing is supporting the idea that men and women should manipulate each other and fornicate repeatedly, and anybody who isn't doing the same is somehow inferior to you.

Have you heard the term "stipulate" before? Maybe "operationalize"? The words alpha and beta are used in a somewhat unique way when referring to social interaction; that's all there is to it. You're getting upset at people redefining a word to suit a specific context. Calm down.

And again, all I'm doing is telling you the facts of how women operate. The only one with a superiority complex here is you.

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wg64Z
11/02/11 12:10:00 PM
#188:


Wow work picked up and I missed out on a lot of good chances to reply.

But what it basically sounds like is that you are all refusing to believe high quality women like a guy who is conisdered alpha. Small niche audience? Give me a break, man...

This all stems back to the original post. People are just not willing at ALL to take any critisism. I am legitimately trying to help you guys out and give you some insight, but clearly I'm a moron and that PERFECT GIRL is out there waiting for you.
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BoshStrikesBack
11/02/11 12:11:00 PM
#190:


Similarly, I would hope that all you "alpha" morons would have the same decency for those of us who choose to relate to women in our own way. But obviously that's not the case.

This whole discussion originated out of people expressing difficulty in getting women. The "beta way" just doesn't work most of the time, pending luck or finding a very specific breed of female. Hence, it makes sense that someone- alpha or beta in nature, doesn't matter which- would offer up the "alpha way" as an alternative. That's all that's happened. It's not about treating people like "garbage"; it's about getting what you want.

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KingButz
11/02/11 12:12:00 PM
#191:


From: Metal_DK | #187
I don't even know what this post means.

because youre a beta.


XFD you have no idea how wrong you are

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Metal_DK
11/02/11 12:13:00 PM
#192:


Zuckerberg is an interesting example: the dude's still a social incompetent (although from what I've read, he's mellowed out since breaking out), but he's got so much money that his lack of social skills allow him to get women all the same. Now, does this apply to people making 40k a year the same as it does to someone making 40mil? Of course not.

but it goes back to exthas piss poor example of berlusconi. He thinks hes an alpha because he has game? When its because he has fame and fortune.

Barney Stinson (another one somebody mentioned) is a fictional tv character. Enough said.

Think about hugh hefner. Do you legitimately think hed have all those girls at him if he had the same personality but absolutely no business? Please.

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BoshStrikesBack
11/02/11 12:14:00 PM
#193:


Going for what's statistically popular has always been a long-term bad idea. This isn't me talking about dating, this is marketing and business speaking. Following trends is safe, and more reliable, while innovating, and looking for new solutions is risky, but more rewarding if it yields success.

"Statistically popular"? Women are attracted to the same characteristics now that they have been for thousands of years. You think that in a couple of decades, confident guys will somehow have trouble with women? Laughable. We're dealing with human nature here, not advertising.

Obviously I mean no bad will against you personally but it's my own opinion, and as it's brought me a lifetime of happiness, I can't really say I'm looking for a new philosophy.

If you're not having problem with women, then there's no reason to switch your approach. For the good majority of betas, however, women will always remain highly elusive.

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Greyfeld
11/02/11 12:14:00 PM
#194:


BoshStrikesBack posted...
Have you heard the term "stipulate" before? Maybe "operationalize"? The words alpha and beta are used in a somewhat unique way when referring to social interaction; that's all there is to it. You're getting upset at people redefining a word to suit a specific context. Calm down.

And again, all I'm doing is telling you the facts of how women operate. The only one with a superiority complex here is you.


It's taking a term and twisting it to describe a phenomenon that's already been well-known for years. It's called "If you're confident and treat gullible women like crap, they'll want to sleep with you." All this alpha/beta nonsense is just smoke and mirrors to make it sound more deep and interesting than it really is.

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Metal_DK
11/02/11 12:15:00 PM
#195:


XFD you have no idea how wrong you are

and now you sound like a 15 year old. Congrats Mr. Beta.

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wg64Z
11/02/11 12:15:00 PM
#196:


Going for what's statistically popular has always been a long-term bad idea. This isn't me talking about dating, this is marketing and business speaking. Following trends is safe, and more reliable, while innovating, and looking for new solutions is risky, but more rewarding if it yields success.

Personally I prefer to go for the latter. People can go for the former and get huge returns without much business sense but I honestly see these people as leeches. They offer nothing new to societies plate.

Obviously I mean no bad will against you personally but it's my own opinion, and as it's brought me a lifetime of happiness, I can't really say I'm looking for a new philosophy.


This is so...so...wrong. You don't honestly believe this right? I feel like I'm being trolled now.

You know what all women have in common? They're all WOMEN. And stats have shown almost unanimously that women are attracted to confident, good looking, powerful men.

So you go ahead and look for that special breed of woman who finds the opposite attractive. Garunteed she'll be a "special breed" herself too.
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BoshStrikesBack
11/02/11 12:15:00 PM
#197:


but it goes back to exthas piss poor example of berlusconi. He thinks hes an alpha because he has game? When its because he has fame and fortune.

Barney Stinson (another one somebody mentioned) is a fictional tv character. Enough said.

Think about hugh hefner. Do you legitimately think hed have all those girls at him if he had the same personality but absolutely no business? Please.


I agree with you on all three accounts. True alphas are the guys who can walk into any social gathering and, without regard to money or status, pick up any chick they want. The above three are bad examples.

You want a real, historical alpha? Lord Byron.

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BoshStrikesBack
11/02/11 12:17:00 PM
#198:


It's taking a term and twisting it to describe a phenomenon that's already been well-known for years.

That's what "stipulating" means, yeah. Speaking of "twisting a term," you're making redefining seem like something evil or opportunistic. People do it literally all the time. For example, the word "life" means very different things in religion versus science. Stipulation; learn it, love it.

It's called "If you're confident and treat gullible women like crap, they'll want to sleep with you." All this alpha/beta nonsense is just smoke and mirrors to make it sound more deep and interesting than it really is.

No one's making it seem complicated. It's beautiful in its simplicity, maybe. The problem is that, for most guys, being a consistent alpha is difficult, and if you're anything like me, you love a good challenge.

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GuessMyUserName
11/02/11 12:17:00 PM
#199:


what the

this topic certainly exploded since I last saw it


*checks*

.. it's about alphas/betas now? -_-

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Greyfeld
11/02/11 12:17:00 PM
#200:


wg64Z posted...
Wow work picked up and I missed out on a lot of good chances to reply.

But what it basically sounds like is that you are all refusing to believe high quality women like a guy who is conisdered alpha. Small niche audience? Give me a break, man...

This all stems back to the original post. People are just not willing at ALL to take any critisism. I am legitimately trying to help you guys out and give you some insight, but clearly I'm a moron and that PERFECT GIRL is out there waiting for you.


"You need to act like more of a jerk" isn't constructive unless you're just trying to rope in easy sex.

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