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| Topic | Good Songs: Episode 4 |
| kind9 09/23/21 9:34:44 AM #491 | |
| Topic | Good Songs: Episode 4 |
| kind9 09/21/21 6:49:48 AM #490 | |
| Topic | Good Songs: Episode 4 |
| kind9 09/20/21 9:16:24 AM #488 | |
| Topic | Good Songs: Episode 4 |
| kind9 09/18/21 10:55:05 AM #486 | |
| Topic | Good Songs: Episode 4 |
| kind9 09/15/21 10:06:57 AM #479 | |
| Topic | Good Songs: Episode 4 |
| kind9 09/10/21 9:28:10 AM #476 | |
| Topic | Good Songs: Episode 4 |
| kind9 09/08/21 9:10:25 AM #472 | |
| Topic | Good Songs: Episode 4 |
| kind9 09/05/21 7:25:10 AM #467 | |
| Topic | Good Songs: Episode 4 |
| kind9 09/03/21 10:28:40 AM #459 | |
| Topic | Good Songs: Episode 4 |
| kind9 09/01/21 5:24:27 AM #453 | |
| Topic | Good Songs: Episode 4 |
| kind9 08/29/21 10:01:08 AM #451 | Far-Queue posted... you seent this yetNever heard of this band, but that is a crazy ass video indeed. I kind of checked out of this topic, huh? https://youtu.be/klPzgG0qqGg --- |
| Topic | Chris Chan is once again in the news... |
| kind9 08/08/21 7:52:40 AM #111 | Tucker Carlson had a go at this story, believing "Chan" is Chris's last name. All fearmongering, slippery slope bullshit of course. --- |
| Topic | You gotta have a very small brain to believe this CRT stuff exists. |
| kind9 08/07/21 9:37:07 AM #6 | |
| Topic | Whats the coolest sounding japanese last name? |
| kind9 08/05/21 10:39:51 AM #22 | |
| Topic | Chris Chan is once again in the news... |
| kind9 08/04/21 10:00:13 AM #72 | Chris Chan being Chris Chan I just have a very hard time believing he's genuinely a trans woman. He's one of the most irresponsible human beings on the planet. His life has been a continual series of bad decisions. He certainly never experienced gender dysphoria. He's a very autistic and very horny boy who wanted to be his own boyfriend-free girlfriend. And then he fucked his mom. --- |
| Topic | Is Game of Thrones worth watching now? |
| kind9 07/29/21 8:18:32 AM #19 | EvilMegas posted... I have a pretty shitty memory. I can't remember what decisions he made specifically for the safety of his family. I remember the first scene he's in Kimbos_Egg posted... Yeah that's what I was talking about. --- |
| Topic | Is Game of Thrones worth watching now? |
| kind9 07/29/21 7:42:07 AM #14 | EvilMegas posted... After the whole Stannis arc I completely lost interest. They really fucked that up. I didn't even read the books and I was like "this dude would never do this"Did it surprise you that he --- |
| Topic | Is Game of Thrones worth watching now? |
| kind9 07/29/21 6:40:07 AM #12 | FinalFantasyIV posted... Season 5 and onward tosses the books out the window and they make up silliness.I thought the problem was that they ran out of source material and then forgot who all the characters were. It's still absolutely worth watching imo. --- |
| Topic | Stoned opinions topic |
| kind9 07/28/21 1:47:08 PM #26 | Metalsonic66 posted... You must be thinking of heavy drinkingNah https://www.leafly.com/news/health/does-cannabis-affect-your-dreams When it comes to determining the effects of weed on dreaming, the answers not clear-cut. There are a number of sleep studies that show that cannabis can decrease or suppress REM sleep, commented Dr. Tishler. The larger question is whether this is good or bad. The answer is, as usual, it depends. --- |
| Topic | Stoned opinions topic |
| kind9 07/28/21 12:18:09 PM #19 | Metalsonic66 posted... Where did you hear this nonsenseIt's true. I don't know the particulars, but if you're stoned all the time it does fuck with your REM sleep and if you do dream you won't remember shit. --- |
| Topic | Stoned opinions topic |
| kind9 07/28/21 12:13:22 PM #17 | Pedro Pascal is good in Narcos too. The first time I saw him in anything was either that or GoT. --- |
| Topic | Stoned opinions topic |
| kind9 07/28/21 12:08:21 PM #15 | Mead posted... no we totally have dreamsWhat kind of stoner are you having dreams and shit. --- |
| Topic | NY and Cali will require all City/State Workers to Get Vaccinated... |
| kind9 07/28/21 8:42:26 AM #66 | MagicalPrincess posted... This is not Nazi Germany, everyone has a right of what to put in their body!Thx, Tucker. --- |
| Topic | which LotR movie had the best credits music |
| kind9 07/27/21 9:44:24 AM #35 | |
| Topic | Mom didn't believe COVID-19 was real until AFTER her Autistic Son DIED from it! |
| kind9 07/27/21 8:42:20 AM #10 | Full Throttle posted... Her son's last haunting towards to her on his death bed was "This is not a hoax, this is real"That's really sad. --- |
| Topic | Good Songs: Episode 4 |
| kind9 07/24/21 11:16:37 AM #402 | |
| Topic | I'm an anti-natalist. |
| kind9 07/24/21 11:01:09 AM #234 | Obviously this dude is more interested in winning arguments than being right. That's really the theme of this topic. --- |
| Topic | Few! What a wild few months! AMA |
| kind9 07/24/21 10:13:32 AM #30 | |
| Topic | What's your opinion on dumbass people that pay more for a shittier product? |
| kind9 07/24/21 10:10:01 AM #5 | I think it's pretty dumb paying extra for the brand, but it's their money so idc. --- |
| Topic | I'm an anti-natalist. |
| kind9 07/23/21 9:50:19 AM #195 | Reigning_King posted... If you actually think there is a way to totally eliminate all human suffering while humans existI'm not saying I believe this. I'm saying I don't believe the opposite, that there will never be a way to totally eliminate human suffering, and you're doing nothing to convince me except reasserting it as a fact. You're making a knowledge claim that I'm not comfortable making. You claim to know that elimination of human suffering is unachievable, but you don't really know that, you're just incredulous to believe otherwise. Reigning_King posted... That no one would be around to experience good things anymore is a complete nonissue as I have said several times unless you're a loon.I think it's a good question. Who benefits from antinatalism? Literally no one. --- |
| Topic | I'm an anti-natalist. |
| kind9 07/23/21 8:38:39 AM #193 | Reigning_King posted... There is a big difference in wanting to simply reduce the amount of human suffering in the world and wanting to eliminate it entirely.What about what I said implies that I want to simply reduce suffering? I said "eliminate suffering as much as possible." In case you didn't know, quality of life has been on a steady incline for centuries. As science and technology improves, who knows what the future holds? I mean other than you with your power of omniscience to claim as an undeniable fact that human suffering will always exist. Reigning_King posted... I really don't get how you can call the reduction of human suffering noble but condemn the eradication of it.What does it matter if you eliminate human suffering when there are no humans left to experience that blissful existence? I don't care about imaginary people in imaginary worlds. I care about extant humanity. When there are no humans left and the concept of "good" no longer has meaning or application, what good have you accomplished? --- |
| Topic | I'm an anti-natalist. |
| kind9 07/23/21 6:53:51 AM #187 | Reigning_King posted... This is why I've been pointing out that most people believe that at least certain people shouldn't breed, because it wouldn't be fair to their potential offspring for whatever reason. This is a completly natural way of think, to find the suffering of someone who doesn't, but could, exist disagreeable even though this suffering doesn't actually exist.We can make this judgement because we already have foreknowledge of the likelihood of that person being born with defects. I would imagine most people take issue with this kind of birth. I don't know about the possible worlds argument, but the paper I quoted actually goes on to address it. It is revealing that Benatar cannot elucidate his allegedly personal claim without saying that we are in fact comparing the values of two possible worlds. Since he cannot say that one possible life is better than another, he must say that one world is better than another. But the question of what is better for a person is not identical (or, we might add, even remotely similar) to the question of which of two worlds is best. Moreover, when asking what would be best for their future children, prospective parents are not asking about the comparative value of two possible worlds. Benatar, despite what he says, is answering the fourth and most abstract of the questions listed at the beginning of this paper.7 But this is not the question that any prospective parent is asking, nor has anyone shown that it is the question they ought to be asking. I agree with the above user. Why have antinatalists given up on striving to eliminate as much suffering as possible by making life better for everyone? That is a noble cause. Antinatalism is more like a lazy escape route for edgelords. --- |
| Topic | I'm an anti-natalist. |
| kind9 07/22/21 12:14:25 PM #176 | Reigning_King posted... I also like how you call it garbage philosophy while in the same breath saying you only just now heard about it. Basing your understanding of it off of probably a free mintures worth of googling, very professionalWhen I learned that this philosophy came from Inmendham and read the first sentence of his wiki about it I knew it was garbage. Reigning_King posted... I'm interested in those papers since no one itt has come close to refuting a single one of the points I've made (with some still going unadressed), I'll have to look for them.Maybe try google scholar. Here's one of many: What Is the Question to which Anti-Natalism Is the Answer? --- |
| Topic | I'm an anti-lifist |
| kind9 07/22/21 9:52:54 AM #8 | |
| Topic | Good Songs: Episode 4 |
| kind9 07/22/21 9:32:27 AM #400 | |
| Topic | I'm an anti-natalist. |
| kind9 07/22/21 9:03:25 AM #174 | Reigning_King posted... As I said it isn't relevant, even less so if you agree anti-natalism is one. I have no clue why you even brought up the subject in the first place while I have entire parts of my argument that have been ignored like post #126I don't remember why I brought it up. I think it was because you seemed to imply that because it's philosophy it can't reasonably be refuted. There are peer reviewed papers refuting this philosophy. Reigning_King posted... For the third time, if humans were to die out there is basically zero chance of anything replacing us. Even if the chance did exist as I've said sapient aliens who suffer similar to humans might very well exist too but my philosophy is human focused as a matter of practicality. It isn't worth the trouble of searching the cosmos for these hypothetical aliens just like it isn't worth the trouble of worrying about hypothetical sapient species that could replace humanity.To answer my own question, 5-6 million years. Kind of weird to say "my philosophy" when you didn't come up with it. The dude who came up with it was mentioned earlier in the topic by the other antinatalist. Reigning_King posted... What you're thinking of is called EfilismNo what I'm thinking of is definitely an aspect of antinatalism. The lunatic who came up with this "efilism"(a word I had never heard until this moment) calls it "advanced antinatalism" and "secular atheism". Pure garbage philosophy. Here's the youtube "philosopher" who came up with it(he argues that you should drown cats to end their suffering): https://youtu.be/fRS2t6saFBc Reigning_King posted... and guess what, my opinion is that such a child should have never been born in the first place. This is the most basic part of anti-natalism, it is about preventing harm before it can ever occur, the focus isn't about people who already exist.I mean, this is the obvious answer I expected from you, which is why I posed other questions there. It doesn't matter. At the end of the day this philosophy is based on highly subjective concepts that I doubt you could answer for. I'm sure Mr. Benatar has answers. He has injected his philosophy with answers to every objection. He even calls into question our ability to assess our own happiness. So if you thought you were happy think again, you should never have been born. --- |
| Topic | I'm an anti-natalist. |
| kind9 07/22/21 7:21:32 AM #172 | Reigning_King posted... I could give some examples but what is the point given that last sentence of yours in the first paragraph, you clearly don't know much about or respect philosophy, and beyond that it isn't really relevant. I'll keep referring to my thoughts as a philosophy but if you don't like that just mentally sub out the word for something else, it doesn't really matter.I have no respect for people who think philosophy never fails or who use it to justify/buttress stupid beliefs or to con people. I've been calling antinatalism a philosophy this whole time in case you didn't notice, genius. So you can keep calling it what it is and I will too. Now that you know my disrespect isn't for philosophy itself you can go ahead and list those examples. And maybe go look up the meaning of "extremism". You might be surprised that it's not a synonym for terrorism. Turns out you're right about the age of the sun, at least partially. It won't be closer to the earth, but it will be burning too bright and hot for the earth to sustain life. The sun won't start to expand until it begins to transition into a red giant in 5 billion years. How long did it take for humans to split from apes? If you were consistent in your views shouldn't you extend antinatalism to all animals? Your reason for not doing so is because they're just "automatons" and don't experience suffering the same as we do. But how do you know that? Have we fully assessed the sapience of all animals? Do you use the same excuse to justify factory farming? Is the way that we experience suffering all that matters? What about children born with brain defects who don't experience suffering the same? What is the objective measure of suffering that you're using? --- |
| Topic | Weather |
| kind9 07/21/21 9:02:43 AM #6 | I live in the pacific northwest. There was that one heat wave last month. Other than that it's been pretty average. --- |
| Topic | Old Comedies (From Before You Were Born) |
| kind9 07/21/21 8:23:48 AM #13 | |
| Topic | I'm an anti-natalist. |
| kind9 07/21/21 7:22:16 AM #103 | Reigning_King posted... You say that as if most philosophies can't also be described that way, I'm not sure what your point is.I'm not just describing it that way, it's a fact. It's not sound or practical philosophy. Can you name more philosophies that can be described that way and aren't totally fringe beliefs? Philosophy is one of the most used and abused fields of study so just because it's philosophy doesn't mean it's anything. Reigning_King posted... The concerns you bring up are similarly beyond the scope of the idea except one point on animals that are breed by humans specifically as food since our extinction would put an end to that as a byproduct.Huh? I didn't make a point about breeding animals. I asked if you extend antinatalism to all other animals. Because evolution from extant animals into intelligent, human-like beings doesn't seem so far-fetched to me and would happen long before the sun dies in 5-6 billion years. Reigning_King posted... Please tell me what's so edgy about my stance other than the fact that it is naturally unpopular.It's not just unpopular, my dude, it's extremism. --- |
| Topic | So what exactly does Jordan Peterson do that turns people into morons? |
| kind9 07/21/21 6:36:13 AM #21 | joemodda posted... People like to shit on him because of his "radical beliefs" (read: he's a privileged white guy; therefore he's evil).I don't take advice from postmodernist Christian conservatives. This guy got famous amongst alt-righters because of his dishonest fearmongering over Canadian bill C-16. I even almost got sucked into his bullshit back then. He's no philosopher either, unless quoting infinitely smarter people is what's considered philosophy. I can't even watch him debate Sam Harris or Matt Dillahunty anymore because it's so embarrassing how out of his league he is even to them. --- |
| Topic | I'm an anti-natalist. |
| kind9 07/21/21 6:22:33 AM #101 | This philosophy is based on subjective concepts(pleasure, pain, morality) and concepts that only have meaning to living humans. Say when humanity is all gone what have you done to prevent something like humanity from evolving again? How do you know evolution won't lead to more sapient beings? You want to wipe out all animals? Can you be sure that abiogenesis isn't happening all the time on earth? I'm with the others in this topic, this is just edgelordism. I've heard philosophical arguments for the existence of God that make more sense to me than antinatalism. --- |
| Topic | I'm an anti-natalist. |
| kind9 07/20/21 11:36:21 AM #38 | Reigning_King posted... The parameters changed because they are two separate questions, they don't need to be talking about the same thing.Does #3 not contradict #1 though? What is consent to an "unrealized person" i.e., non-existence, and how does it compare to consent from a living, i.e., existing person? Why do you want to destroy us all? Do you want all animals to disappear? --- |
| Topic | I'm an anti-natalist. |
| kind9 07/20/21 11:04:39 AM #29 | Reigning_King posted... Would you agree or disagree that it is unethical to cause a person harm without their consent?Reigning_King posted... Would you agree or disagree that an unborn person cannot consent to being born?Why have the parameters changed. What do you mean "unborn person"? --- |
| Topic | I'm an anti-natalist. |
| kind9 07/20/21 10:13:35 AM #23 | KodyKeir posted... Really, cause the ones I have talked to were pretty happy they did not have children and extremely happy at the money they were not spending on said children.I've only interacted with a few of them and yeah they were absolutely miserable. One person I talked to was in constant pain from an illness. KodyKeir posted... lots of reason to be against creating more children.But this philosophy is about ending mankind, is it not? Maybe we can slow down on making babies, but do we have to stop altogether? --- |
| Topic | I'm an anti-natalist. |
| kind9 07/20/21 9:36:47 AM #5 | I feel like you have to be on the extreme end of nihilism to actually advocate anti-natalism. All the anti-natalists I've talked to were miserable people. --- |
| Topic | Whats a game/series that you wish had a sequel or another entry? |
| kind9 07/20/21 7:37:22 AM #120 | |
| Topic | the last tool album was pretty shit |
| kind9 07/19/21 9:35:27 AM #10 | I always liked A Perfect Circle more, not that they're necessarily comparable. I heard their last album was shit too. I only listened to one song on it and it was pretty bad. But I'll take Mer de Noms and Thirteenth Step over Tool any day. --- |
| Topic | Joe Biden is such a failure and Bernie Sanders would have been much better! |
| kind9 07/18/21 10:22:46 AM #45 | Krazy_Kirby posted... and let's not forget what the who didWhat did The Who do? --- |
| Topic | Whats your current motivation in life? |
| kind9 07/18/21 10:16:16 AM #30 | |
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