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TopicWho would win: Ghost Rider or Vegeta?
fire_bolt
09/24/22 10:32:33 AM
#11
Can ghost rider even Penance Stare his ass before Vegata light speed kills him?

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If it was about babies we'd have universal maternal care. There would be no charge no matter how complex the delivery. But its not about babies, is it?
Topicstudents promised job fair taken to anti LGBT church even instead
fire_bolt
09/24/22 10:13:23 AM
#9
What the fuck

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If it was about babies we'd have universal maternal care. There would be no charge no matter how complex the delivery. But its not about babies, is it?
TopicIt's time to FORGIVE one another. Please consider unblocking a user.
fire_bolt
09/22/22 1:21:58 AM
#80
Just for you, TC, I removed 5 users from my Ignore list. They're all banned but I did remove them for you

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If it was about babies we'd have universal maternal care. There would be no charge no matter how complex the delivery. But its not about babies, is it?
TopicIt's time to FORGIVE one another. Please consider unblocking a user.
fire_bolt
09/21/22 10:42:05 PM
#60
I unblock a few people a week.

... I go thru my Ignore list and remove anyone whose user level is -5

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If it was about babies we'd have universal maternal care. There would be no charge no matter how complex the delivery. But its not about babies, is it?
TopicA summary of Death Note.
fire_bolt
09/21/22 7:13:54 AM
#3
If Light asks me to top, he's definitely Kira

Dead. So accurate

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If it was about babies we'd have universal maternal care. There would be no charge no matter how complex the delivery. But its not about babies, is it?
TopicWhat piece of clothing do you have the biggest fetish for?
fire_bolt
09/19/22 2:35:40 PM
#6
Lace chokers

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If it was about babies we'd have universal maternal care. There would be no charge no matter how complex the delivery. But its not about babies, is it?
TopicDeltarune - SPAMTON SWEEPSTAKES charity drive + ARG
fire_bolt
09/18/22 10:20:00 PM
#14
Oh so slightly less fever dream than I thought. turns out I had the stream open in 2 tabs so I was getting double audio with about 10 seconds difference between the two. I thought that was intended lmao

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If it was about babies we'd have universal maternal care. There would be no charge no matter how complex the delivery. But its not about babies, is it?
TopicDeltarune - SPAMTON SWEEPSTAKES charity drive + ARG
fire_bolt
09/17/22 8:44:19 PM
#5
I really hope some of these prizes go up for sale after the contest on Fangamer. I'm a fan

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If it was about babies we'd have universal maternal care. There would be no charge no matter how complex the delivery. But its not about babies, is it?
TopicDeadass about to abandon Google as a search engine.
fire_bolt
09/17/22 6:00:36 PM
#14
Irony posted...
Why the fuck would you use Firefox lmao


Mainly because Chrome is trash designed to be used by the least common denominator and treats users like idiots. Oh, and because it uses about triple the memory of Firefox. Oh, and Chrome is going to be disabling ad blocking. Probably more stuff I'm forgetting

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If it was about babies we'd have universal maternal care. There would be no charge no matter how complex the delivery. But its not about babies, is it?
TopicIs garlic good in Vampire Survivors?
fire_bolt
09/17/22 1:37:29 PM
#73
https://i.imgur.com/YbSl0cF.png

Overnight run with Trouser made over 1 billion gold in 10 hours. Pretty sure that's the game shattered

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If it was about babies we'd have universal maternal care. There would be no charge no matter how complex the delivery. But its not about babies, is it?
TopicIs garlic good in Vampire Survivors?
fire_bolt
09/16/22 8:02:13 PM
#72
Ok, post work wrap up complete. Made 86M gold in 17 hours.

https://i.imgur.com/oWw2Go5.png

https://i.imgur.com/EGkvDC5.png

Before I killed the run

https://i.imgur.com/qBIgCTs.png

End results screen

Took me 30 minutes auto clicker just to spend all the eggs lol. Big Trouser now over 10K eggs

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TopicBritney Spears: "here's my ass"
fire_bolt
09/16/22 2:05:56 PM
#3
Always thought Christina was hotter but Britney had nicer tits

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TopicThe housing bubble is about to burst, interest rates up over 6%
fire_bolt
09/16/22 8:56:44 AM
#13
I just signed a lease on a new place )ast week. Damnit

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If it was about babies we'd have universal maternal care. There would be no charge no matter how complex the delivery. But its not about babies, is it?
TopicIs garlic good in Vampire Survivors?
fire_bolt
09/16/22 1:29:57 AM
#71
I've not gotten enough Eggs on Trouser to AFK overnight farm yet so I'm currently using this I just found by accident lmao. You have to manually play the first 30 minutes but afterwards it just AFKs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Wlj5c4nc9U

TL;DW: Sigma with 3 weapons. Victory Sword, Gatti, and Laurel. Arcanas are Wicked Season, Boogaloo Of Illusions, Divine Bloodline, Silent Old Sanctuary (need the Cooldown for the build to work) and finally Disco Fever. Hurry mode off. Level Cappella Magna.

Start by buying the Candybox from the shop keeper to immediately get Gatti. Get Attractorb, Skull, Torro's Box, Candelabra, Empty Tome, and Stone Mask from leveling up. Get Laurel from leveling up. Walk the map and collect Crown, both Rings,Duplicator, and Metallagio Right. Touch Metallagio Left but discard it (so you don't walk into it by accident later and ruin your run).

After that its pretty much a normal run except for a couple of notes. The big one is DO NOT evolve Gatti into Vicious Hunger early. It will ruin your ability to level up and this build scales VERY HARD with levels. Ideally you want to evolve into Hunger around the 29 minute mark. You also want to time your evolving Victory Sword carefully. Pick up the chest to evolve it a couple of seconds after Wicked Season rotates into bonus Curse. This will time your galaxy transform thingy so that you can collect XP during Curse bonus but get the XP bonus since it doesn't apply the XP you scoop up until you come out of the transformation.

Aside from that, once you're full build but without evolving Hunger yet just find somewhere to hang out and wait for Vacuum Orbs to spawn. Collect Vacuum Orbs while in galaxy form for big level up spikes. Be careful not to bump into chests or to let a chest spawn on you and evolve Hunger.If your hang out spot starts to get cluttered then relocate. At around the 29 minute mark grab a chest, evolve Hunger, and turn off your monitor for the night lol. Laurel has 100% up time so you're immortal but you didn't evolve it into the item that causes the white Death to spawn and insta-gib you. Cappella spawns infinite waves after the 30 minute mark so the grind never ends unless the game crashes. It is a bit framey on my system but stable so far

I'm at the 100 minute mark right now and 7.2M gold. About to turn in for the night and have work in the morning so it's gonna run about 16ish hours. Will report back. Kinda expecting it to crash but we'll see

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If it was about babies we'd have universal maternal care. There would be no charge no matter how complex the delivery. But its not about babies, is it?
TopicDeadass about to abandon Google as a search engine.
fire_bolt
09/15/22 11:52:23 PM
#1
IDK WTF is causing it but for the last few months if I try to search something on Google using Firefox it just locks the fuck down and I have to force quit Firefox from task manager to get control of my browser back. Just happened 3 times back to back. I assume it has something to do with using either uBlock Origin or bad mesh between Firefox and Google. Maybe its time to switch to Duck Duck Go?

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If it was about babies we'd have universal maternal care. There would be no charge no matter how complex the delivery. But its not about babies, is it?
TopicLindsey Graham to introduce nation-wide abortion ban tomorrow
fire_bolt
09/15/22 10:06:47 PM
#119
hockeybub89 posted...
I also think bodily autonomy is absolute. Taking it away from women is basically saying they aren't people, that their existence is meaningless.


This, full stop. Anyone who disagrees with the concept of absolute bodily autonomy is literally saying they are OK with women being reduce to baby factories whether they are willing to come right out and say it or not. People who want to put a time frame limit on abortion merely want to negotiate at what point the woman becomes a baby factory rather than just having it start at conception

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If it was about babies we'd have universal maternal care. There would be no charge no matter how complex the delivery. But its not about babies, is it?
TopicLindsey Graham to introduce nation-wide abortion ban tomorrow
fire_bolt
09/15/22 2:33:26 PM
#105
yemmy posted...


So if you knew people were having late term abortions because of non physical health related conditions, you would theoretically be ok with that?


Yep

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If it was about babies we'd have universal maternal care. There would be no charge no matter how complex the delivery. But its not about babies, is it?
TopicIs garlic good in Vampire Survivors?
fire_bolt
09/15/22 2:29:43 PM
#68
Tyranthraxus posted...
Big skele ball gets bigger as time goes on. Your chances of killing it are significantly better if you rush it at the beginning.


It only gets bigger if it is on screen. You can safely ignore it until you're ready but make sure you have enough Move Speed to keep up with it or you're gonna have a bad time

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TopicHigh End Gaming PCs are pointless now
fire_bolt
09/14/22 5:43:22 PM
#22
OmnimonZwart posted...
AAA games are much better optimized nowadays since they have to play on consoles, which are equivalent to low-mid range PCs. And millenials mostly play older ports and low requirement games anyway.


Pulled this alt from deep storage or bought an account just to come troll about PC vs Console, eh?

Bold move, Cotton. Let's see if it pans out

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If it was about babies we'd have universal maternal care. There would be no charge no matter how complex the delivery. But its not about babies, is it?
TopicIs garlic good in Vampire Survivors?
fire_bolt
09/14/22 2:23:18 AM
#59
Tyranthraxus posted...


Pro tip.

Around the 25 minute mark start opening chests looking for a candy box. When you find it, select the cat weapon, then evolve it ASAP (uses stone mask which you already have)

You'll get about 1 Million more gold this way.

Do not do this early because once you evolve the cat weapon you will never gain any levels ever again.


Just tried this to see how much difference it makes. Currently getting about 5 FPS lmao, I'm at 26 minutes on the game clock but it has been running for well over an hour

EDIT: It DOES make a difference. I've more than doubled my highest Gold Fever total

Edit 2: Finish the run finally. Got about 700k more gold but frankly I could have done 2 runs in the time this one took as a result of all the extra lag

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If it was about babies we'd have universal maternal care. There would be no charge no matter how complex the delivery. But its not about babies, is it?
TopicIs garlic good in Vampire Survivors?
fire_bolt
09/13/22 10:09:06 PM
#55
FYI for everyone who might just now be starting to farm golden eggs. Have you unlocked Queen Sigma? Cool, here's how you can make an easy 1,000,000 gold per run. Note that this may lag the living hell out of your system

Pre-setup: Hyper on, Hurry Off, Arcana On, Limit Break On. Level: Bone Zone, Limit weapons to 1

Character: Queen Sigma

Arcana (in order): Wicked Season, Boogaloo Of Illusions, Disco Fever, Sarabond Of Healing, Mad Groove

Passives: Crown, Skull O Maniac, Tortega Box, Attractorb, Stone Mask, Empty Tome, Left/Right Metallagio, Gold/Silver Ring

Sigma will quickly level up a couple of times to get two levels and two Arcana. Reroll as needed to get two items of choice from the list. Focus on getting each item for full build before starting to level up items. Sigma has a ridiculous number of rerolls so this is easy. Prioritize leveling Crown, Skull, and Tortega Box first to increase XP gained. Then level up weapon. You will be fully leveled out by the 5 minute mark or so.

At level 77 you will get a 4th Arcana card. Sarabond of Healing is what lets this pop off. Assuming you've followed the build order so far, walk around to find a gold bag then afk until level 132.

At level 132 you get a 5th Arcana card. Take Mad Groove and grab all the floor passive items WHILE YOU ARE IN A GOLD FEVER. You're basically immortal during a Gold Fever so the mini bosses that spawn when you pick up the items won't be a threat. Max out Gold Ring and Right Metallagio first.

Go back to AFK occassionally looking at the screen to make sure a boss didn't drop a chest on top of you. You can AFK until around the 22 minute mark, at which point you may need to occassionally manually walk to find a gold bag to activate Gold Fever. You cannot die while Gold Fever is active.

Side note: Collecting chests is discouraged. It slows down your run and upgrading your weapon introduces considerable lag.

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If it was about babies we'd have universal maternal care. There would be no charge no matter how complex the delivery. But its not about babies, is it?
TopicIs garlic good in Vampire Survivors?
fire_bolt
09/13/22 7:29:18 PM
#53
Doe posted...

it's not like there's an on screen timer telling you when it's gonna proc and its timing changes as you level it

not to mention if you level up near a ton of xp or chest(s) you have to not choose pentragram so it stays not being gorgeous moon longer

obviously if you're at the point you're farming gold eggs and are still playing this probably doesn't apply as much


You say that but I literally used Pentagram/Gorgeous Moon to unlock all the Arcana cards that require getting a character to level 100 well before Golden Eggs were a thing. If you literally rush leveling Pentagram even if it eats everything for a few levels it stops being a problem fairly quickly since eventually the odds of it blowing stuff up are far, far lower (65% base chance to leave items intact + Luck) and the massive XP gain with Gorgeous Moon far, far outweighs that small amount of XP/Chests you lost before the 10 minute mark. And that's assuming your positioning is bad so that it eats things at all.

Also, if you level it up that completely resets the proc timer btw. So you can go off screen from chests, level up Pentagram, then go collect the chests safely

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If it was about babies we'd have universal maternal care. There would be no charge no matter how complex the delivery. But its not about babies, is it?
TopicIs garlic good in Vampire Survivors?
fire_bolt
09/13/22 7:04:42 PM
#50
Doe posted...

Early Pentagram destroys XP and chests you need to level up. Pretty sure I've lost Arcana to Pentagram's erasure.


Why are you letting Pentagram proc on a screen where you have chests/lots of XP? As soon as a chest drops you get it off screen until Penta procs again.

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TopicOzoneNeon is SUSPENDED
fire_bolt
09/13/22 5:44:07 PM
#17
... Yeah, that's kinda fucked. Was prepared to give the mods benefit of doubt on his first account getting banned since God knows Neon sometimes posts things he shouldn't but there's no fucking way he's posted something suspension worthy in the last hour

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If it was about babies we'd have universal maternal care. There would be no charge no matter how complex the delivery. But its not about babies, is it?
TopicIs garlic good in Vampire Survivors?
fire_bolt
09/13/22 3:09:02 PM
#43
Yeah, Big Trouser is the best gold farmer but you need a lot more Eggs before Garlic is strong enough to be effective. I think it ticks over around to 10k egg mark

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If it was about babies we'd have universal maternal care. There would be no charge no matter how complex the delivery. But its not about babies, is it?
TopicIs garlic good in Vampire Survivors?
fire_bolt
09/13/22 2:47:15 PM
#41
Tyranthraxus posted...


I'm using the holy water method and I get about 3 million gold per run. I've also found that not taking skull o maniac actually gives MORE gold because you kill more enemies faster. Maybe I should try garlic instead and then I can take attractorb.


How many Golden Eggs do you have and what character are you farming gold with?

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If it was about babies we'd have universal maternal care. There would be no charge no matter how complex the delivery. But its not about babies, is it?
TopicIs garlic good in Vampire Survivors?
fire_bolt
09/13/22 1:09:01 PM
#39
Doe posted...
. The only thing that will kill a build is early Pentagram


Wat. Early Pentagram is amazing, especially if you can evolve it at the 10 minute mark.

mattymad posted...
Also, I don't remember the Rolling bone mass on the skeleton level, it got so big it killed me and I wasn't sure if I could even defeat it.


Basically you want to ignore it until you're strong enough to 1 shot it. You'll also need to be playing a character with high Move Speed or grab several levels of the Wings item. It starts off quite small and manageable

On topic:

Garlic is a situational item. One key use for it is to accept that you're essentially gonna only have 5 weapons late game and use it to fuel your early game. Evolved it combines very well with Sarabond Of Healing, which sends out a damage pulse every time you heal. So when Soul Eater gets a kill you heal slightly which damages everything around you which in turn nets more Soul Eater kills which in turn causes more damage pulses in a cascading effect. Also, anyone knocking Sarabond Of Healing has never paired it with Disco Fever.

Super late game (and I don't mean late in a single run, I mean with lots of hours in the game) Garlic is considered one of the best weapons in the game. It is the only weapon that has an always-on AOE damage effect from level 1 so with a silly amount of Golden Eggs it turns into a screen wide nuke that 1 shots everything as soon as enemies spawn. Garlic is considered key to super late game Gold farms where you can earn like $5,000,000+ gold per run

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TopicWhat places cost $8,000/yr?
fire_bolt
09/12/22 7:47:09 PM
#13
Used to be TN but that no longer gets you a 1 bedroom studio in my area as of about a year ago. The housing market is slowly fucking the southern states too

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TopicCops murder unarmed man at father's funeral
fire_bolt
09/11/22 8:08:02 PM
#55
Literally a mob style execution. Not figuratively literally, literally literally

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Topicdat face she makes when you just told her you're tails82
fire_bolt
09/11/22 4:59:18 PM
#14
NB4

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Topic27000 yen for 60 minutes
fire_bolt
09/11/22 3:06:03 PM
#10
Google tells me 27000 yen = $190 USD

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TopicHocus Pocus 2 looks...awful.
fire_bolt
09/09/22 8:47:51 PM
#4
The_X_Dawg posted...
https://youtu.be/U-plWIDd4j0

Just awful.



Doesn't look any worse than the original

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TopicBREAKING: Queen Elizabeth II Dies At 96
fire_bolt
09/08/22 2:40:54 PM
#97
The Queen is dead. Long live the King!

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TopicDid we ever find out why Chester from Linkin Park committed suicide?
fire_bolt
09/07/22 12:20:38 AM
#3
Its almost like mental illness can affect even the most successful people causing them to have self esteem issues and crippling self doubt/loathing

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If it was about babies we'd have universal maternal care. There would be no charge no matter how complex the delivery. But its not about babies, is it?
TopicCurrently on Steam, GOG, Epic... FREE GAMES
fire_bolt
09/02/22 5:38:13 PM
#15
Thanks Trout!

Fun fact: I played the original Dink Smallwood waaaaaay back in high school like 20 years ago and have wanted to replay it for YEARS but could not remember the name. Seeing it in this topic brought back so many memories of it and I can't wait to try it again

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If it was about babies we'd have universal maternal care. There would be no charge no matter how complex the delivery. But its not about babies, is it?
Topic1 billion USD but you have to drink an entire bottle of 190 proof alcohol
fire_bolt
09/02/22 1:58:46 PM
#31
Even if it was a full size bottle, sure. Just chase it with the right amount of methanol and the two cancel each other out

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If it was about babies we'd have universal maternal care. There would be no charge no matter how complex the delivery. But its not about babies, is it?
TopicPolice kill an unarmed black man this time for sleeping.
fire_bolt
09/01/22 2:19:01 PM
#130
Devilanse333 posted...
sweet dunk feel

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If it was about babies we'd have universal maternal care. There would be no charge no matter how complex the delivery. But its not about babies, is it?
TopicPolice kill an unarmed black man this time for sleeping.
fire_bolt
09/01/22 11:26:32 AM
#95
IShall_Run_Amok posted...

I don't have to answer the question. I'm pissed at what actually happened. I don't care about his weird fantasy scenario. And if I did, dude wouldn't be able to see it anyway, as he is currently Warned.


Oh snap, that happened fast. He wasn't warned 2 minutes ago when I posted his tag lmao

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If it was about babies we'd have universal maternal care. There would be no charge no matter how complex the delivery. But its not about babies, is it?
TopicPolice kill an unarmed black man this time for sleeping.
fire_bolt
09/01/22 11:20:47 AM
#90
TyVulpine posted...

Let's see, the police were executing a warrant on the man for:
Domestic violence
Assault
Felony improper handling of a firearm

And you want to portray him as a "victim of police brutality"?


Color me unsurprised by the tag I have for you

https://i.imgur.com/YbVSkoX.png

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If it was about babies we'd have universal maternal care. There would be no charge no matter how complex the delivery. But its not about babies, is it?
TopicPolice kill an unarmed black man this time for sleeping.
fire_bolt
09/01/22 11:14:55 AM
#76
cjsdowg posted...
https://twitter.com/Imposter_Edits/status/1564898021070049285


Less than 1 fucking second between opening the bedroom door and discharging a firearm lethally. The cop in question is absolutely unfit for duty and should be facing manslaughter charges at the very least. Whoever trained him needs to be fired

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If it was about babies we'd have universal maternal care. There would be no charge no matter how complex the delivery. But its not about babies, is it?
TopicFirefox crashes when google searching or even clicking on GameFAQs
fire_bolt
08/31/22 6:20:57 PM
#21
Yeah, I've been having occasional trouble with Google using Firefox as well. Only plug-in I use is uBlock Origin so that's not the issue. I'm guessing something on Google's back end is not compatible with something in the latest Firefox update

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TopicHousing market is fucked even worse than most of you realize (anecdotal)
fire_bolt
08/30/22 9:38:45 AM
#17
Dan_Haren- posted...
That does suck tbh, dunno what to tell you. Maybe go for a cheaper house. And go to different lenders, you don't have to resort to big banks chances are you will find some online lender to give u the loan u want


This isn't to buy. This is just to lease from somebody. No banks involved

Bishop9800 posted...
What state are you in TC?


TN

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TopicHousing market is fucked even worse than most of you realize (anecdotal)
fire_bolt
08/29/22 9:44:55 PM
#3
QassTank posted...
Even worse is that often you can be paying 2k+/month in rent and get denied for a mortgage that would only run about $1500/month because the bank feels you can't make the payments...


Literally in that exact situation

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TopicHousing market is fucked even worse than most of you realize (anecdotal)
fire_bolt
08/29/22 9:40:53 PM
#1
My brother and I are trying to get our shit together, get out of the slums and into a decent life. He just had a baby. Rent around here is $1500~ for a 3 bedroom house. Little brother makes $55k/year, I make $24k/year, and his baby mama makes $24k/year for a total of around $100k/year.

I've been handling the paperwork mostly and we got our first two rejections today. Everything looked good on the first one but they decided my 650 credit score was not sufficient to be responsible for the rent of their $1800/month house. Would not let me get a co-signer for the credit. The credit was the only issue, my payment history going back 20 years is spotless but I'm carrying a little more credit card debt right now than usual and a personal loan I'm still paying off from pandemic times.

Second one got rejected because of little brother's criminal record. In 2006 he was 19 and hooked on pills. Broke into some houses when nobody was home to steal stuff to sell for pills (fucking opiods, man). He spent 7 years in jail, has been out since 2014 and has completely turned his life around. He's currently working as a salary factory floor manager for two years now. Other than the one incident his record is completely spotless.

Seriously, what the fuck do people expect? I sincerely have no idea how people are ever supposed to turn their lives around when every time you try to do the right thing, try to get ahead there's yet another road block. Collectively our income is more than double what anyone requires for housing in this area and we're stuck in two shitty rathole apartments because we can't get a place together. Feels pretty fucking hopeless right now.

Side note: You think landlords are bad? Property management companies are worse. I've always been able to work with landlords in the past but this fucking soulless corporations who treat housing as a luxury only to be afforded to the pristine are horrible. God willing the bottom will fall out of the housing market soon and they'll all go fucking bankrupt

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