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Darklit_Minuet posted...

artowen74 posted...

Folks could argue that the LGBT community should be "shamed and mocked," into "believing the right thing," doesn't make it right though.

It has been shamed and mocked. This is balancing out the scales.

If one side of the scale has a lot of weight on it, you need an equal amount on the other side to balance it out

Spoken like a true dictator. Good day.
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Darklit_Minuet posted...

KILBOTz posted...

That sounds vindictive and like your desire is to harm those who believe differently than you, not actually resolve and heal differences.

If his kind wanted to actually resolve and heal differences, I would too. But they don't, so why should we?

"His kind," smmfh. You really can't help yourself, so just go away, you're done...really.
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Darklit_Minuet posted...

KILBOTz posted...

Your desire for thought control is a bit gross.

It's not control, it's adjustment. We should shame and mock him into believing the right thing, at the cost of his business and personal life and anything else it takes.

His kind has been doing this to us for millennia, time for him to be on the other side of the coin.

"The right thing," maybe right by you but plenty of dictators and megalomaniacs throughout the ages have believed that they were doing "The right thing." Folks could argue that the LGBT community should be "shamed and mocked," into "believing the right thing," doesn't make it right though.

I swear you SJWs are the worst; can't leave the guy alone to his own beliefs, you wanna pester and ridicule people into conforming, hell, crucify people who don't share your own beliefs and lifestyles. If it's the other way around you get out the torches and pitchforks. You bring shame to the LGBT community and humanity in general.

"The right thing," smmfh.
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SaithSayer posted...

1. Find place of business with religious owners.
2. Ask them to do something that goes against their beliefs.
3. Make a big deal about one of X amount of places you could use not giving you what you want.
4. Turn social media into your own army.
5. Feel powerful by forcing someone to compromise their principles rather than going about things the right way and eventually seeing real acceptance.

Smart.

+1
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andel posted...

artowen74 posted...

andel posted...

artowen74 posted...

andel posted...

there isn't even any biblical basis to discriminate against trans people. it isnt legitimate for them to discriminate against gay people either but in this scenario they can't even point to any biblical scripture that says anything against trans people so him claiming religion here is even more bullshit than before

It could easily be said that transgender-ism is akin to homosexuality, which there are numerous biblical texts that speak against. Also one could easily argue that having a surgeon turn you into the opposite of how God created you is sinful.

nah, that isnt a valid argument based on scripture. anyone can infer anything they want from any text but what you are trying to claim just isnt there

Sure is; Romans states that men lying down with other men is sinful. Having your penis removed and sculpting a vagina in it's place, then in turn lying with a man would still violate the 'laws,' that Romans stated. Not sure how this is difficult to wrap one's mind around tbqh.

you are adding context that isnt there to try and stretch.

obviously the bible is an outdated book of myths anyway but it doesnt justify discriminating against trans people (and doesnt justify any kind of discrimination anyway as something being a 'sin' isnt any justification for not associating with people). adultery is a 'sin' but these people dont deny making cake for known adulterers.

Trying to stretch? Wow, lol; you're turning a blind eye to context just to stand ground that has already been lost tbqh. You've been friendly about this, so I'll simply say that we're done here.
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Darklit_Minuet posted...

HenryAllbright posted...

And second, you're completely ignoring the reason why the baker doesn't want to make the cake. You don't have to like his reason, and that's fine, but to pretend like it doesn't exist and therefore conclude that he isn't receiving harm? That's just...weird, dude.

His reason is objectively wrong, therefore it doesn't apply.

It would be like me saying I don't want to work because the sky is red and boss tells me I'm fired if I don't come in.

My belief in something fraudulent and stupid does not supersede my work obligations

Sure it applies; he's not going to fire himself no matter the belief systems involved.

As far as your comments about stupidity, see the perfectly valid 'cat argument.' One cannot be something they're not.
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PleaseClap posted...

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iClockwork posted...

OctilIery posted...

iClockwork posted...

OctilIery posted...

artowen74 posted...

Big difference between true gender and gender identity

Nope. They are the same thing.

LOL

I'd assume you know gender isn't biological, but given your earlier posts I wouldn't put anything past you.

gender
/jendr/Submit
noun
1.
the state of being male or female
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Are you going to post the rest of the definition or do I have to

Fine, guess I have to do it

gender
/jendr/Submit
noun
1.
the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones).

And we all know this part was added within the last few decades as to maintain a neutrality that encompasses various viewpoints.
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Funkydog posted...

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Funkydog posted...

Nick_Saban posted...

The political left is basically just trying to brand everything they disagree with as some sort of horrible atrocity. The endgame isn't equality, it's the inability to be conservative without repercussions.

Or we just want people to be treated fairly and equally over things they can't change.

Fairly, yes, but "things they can't change," no; they literally had extensive surgery to change.

They were always the sex they'd now present as though.

Some surgery to match their appearance to that irrelevant. Plenty of others undergo surgeries as well, yet they aren't discriminated against.

And as others said, many don't even transition.

Well transvestites play dress up, transgenders undergo medical procedures; has society merged the two factions into one?

I frown upon women who buy boobies unless it's because of a mastectomy. Also frown on men who get pec implants and any cosmetic surgery or surgeries that aren't medically necessary for the most part.
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HenryAllbright posted...

OctilIery posted...

HenryAllbright posted...

You don't even know anything about me.

I've seen enough about you that the term sticks just fine.

That says a lot about you. It tells me you are the type of person looking for reasons to hate others. That it's gratifying for you to attach negative labels to people and attack them personally since you refuse to change your attitude when faced with new information that contradicts your original rationale.

Yep; so many times those SJWs that cry out 'persecution,' are the ones that are spewing forth the true hate.
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Funkydog posted...

HenryAllbright posted...

OctilIery posted...

HenryAllbright posted...

You don't even know anything about me.

I've seen enough about you that the term sticks just fine.

That says a lot about you. It tells me you are the type of person looking for reasons to hate others. That it's gratifying for you to attach negative labels to people and attack them personally since you refuse to change your attitude when faced with new information that contradicts your original rationale.

Present said information then if it exists. You've only helped prove you are a bit of a bigot

No, not really. We've got 'You're a bigot,' debater #2 right here folks.
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Funkydog posted...

Nick_Saban posted...

The political left is basically just trying to brand everything they disagree with as some sort of horrible atrocity. The endgame isn't equality, it's the inability to be conservative without repercussions.

Or we just want people to be treated fairly and equally over things they can't change.

Fairly, yes, but "things they can't change," no; they literally had extensive surgery to change.
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PleaseClap posted...

artowen74 posted...

OctilIery posted...

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Mr_Karate_II posted...

Maybe he shouldn't have stupid religious beliefs?

Like beliefs that fuel one getting surgery to become something they're really not?

And where is that happening?

Nice try, we both know damn well that it happens everyday, I also know where you're trying to go with this. If one feels that they are a cat and not a human, getting whiskers, pointy ears, a tail, stripes, slitted pupils, and pointy teeth grafted onto their body does NOT make them a cat. And on top of that they get pissed when folks address them as sir or madam instead of kitty kitty or puss post surgery.

Are a lot of people having this mythical human to cat surgery? Where can I read up on the science of it? Got any journals?

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OctilIery posted...

artowen74 posted...

Big difference between true gender and gender identity

Nope. They are the same thing.

Now I truly feel bad for you; sorta like I used to feel bad for those kids in school that would add 2+2 and repeatedly come up with 9. All of the biased SJW beliefs in the world can/do not change how wrong you are. But hey you've clearly decided to stand by your views no matter how unintelligent they are, and for that, we're done here. Good day sir/madam/gender fluid person.
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andel posted...

artowen74 posted...

andel posted...

there isn't even any biblical basis to discriminate against trans people. it isnt legitimate for them to discriminate against gay people either but in this scenario they can't even point to any biblical scripture that says anything against trans people so him claiming religion here is even more bullshit than before

It could easily be said that transgender-ism is akin to homosexuality, which there are numerous biblical texts that speak against. Also one could easily argue that having a surgeon turn you into the opposite of how God created you is sinful.

nah, that isnt a valid argument based on scripture. anyone can infer anything they want from any text but what you are trying to claim just isnt there

Sure is; Romans states that men lying down with other men is sinful. Having your penis removed and sculpting a vagina in it's place, then in turn lying with a man would still violate the 'laws,' that Romans stated. Not sure how this is difficult to wrap one's mind around tbqh.
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OctilIery posted...

artowen74 posted...

OctilIery posted...

artowen74 posted...

Mr_Karate_II posted...

Maybe he shouldn't have stupid religious beliefs?

Like beliefs that fuel one getting surgery to become something they're really not?

And where is that happening?

Nice try, we both know damn well that it happens everyday, I also know where you're trying to go with this. If one feels that they are a cat and not a human, getting whiskers, pointy ears, a tail, stripes, slitted pupils, and pointy teeth grafted onto their body does NOT make them a cat. And on top of that they get pissed when folks address them as sir or madam instead of kitty kitty or puss post surgery.

Except nobody is doing that. They're getting surgeries so their body matches their actual gender. But keep trying, you're just showing your own ignorance and bigotry.

Big difference between true gender and gender identity; please stop trying, your 'arguments,' are pathetically weak and lacking. You're just showing your ignorance by continually dropping the term bigot to everyone on this board. It's a very weak crutch that you're using to support the total lack of anything worthwhile to contribute. "But, but, but, (oh screw it,) you're just a bigot."
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OctilIery posted...

artowen74 posted...

Mr_Karate_II posted...

Maybe he shouldn't have stupid religious beliefs?

Like beliefs that fuel one getting surgery to become something they're really not?

And where is that happening?

Nice try, we both know damn well that it happens everyday, I also know where you're trying to go with this. If one feels that they are a cat and not a human, getting whiskers, pointy ears, a tail, stripes, slitted pupils, and pointy teeth grafted onto their body does NOT make them a cat. And on top of that they get pissed when folks address them as sir or madam instead of kitty kitty or puss post surgery.
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SchoolForAnts posted...

The cake bigot will do his thing.

If people want to teach him a lesson, break him with pressure. Have black people ask for happy Kwanzaa cakes. Happy wakanda day cakes with the face of tchallah. Happy eid mubarak cakes. A cake with a sombrero drawing saying happy 5 de Mayo, a cake saying happy Mexican Independence Day Pedro, etc . Happy visa day, Vishnu cakes, you name it.

Make this guys bakery the official intermarriage cake shop, where cakes that say happy marriage are requested and the picture of a black man and a white woman are to be inserted on the cake.

At some point he will start refusing to sell cakes to interracial couples, or minorities or foreign holiday cakes, and it will be beautiful. He will win all the court cases maybe simply because were in the MAGA era, but he will be sunk in so many lawsuits he will live pissed off lol

Yeah, cuz SJW pressure is their most powerful weapon AKA force to conform.
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andel posted...

there isn't even any biblical basis to discriminate against trans people. it isnt legitimate for them to discriminate against gay people either but in this scenario they can't even point to any biblical scripture that says anything against trans people so him claiming religion here is even more bullshit than before

It could easily be said that transgender-ism is akin to homosexuality, which there are numerous biblical texts that speak against. Also one could easily argue that having a surgeon turn you into the opposite of how God created you is sinful.
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SchoolForAnts posted...

HenryAllbright posted...

SchoolForAnts posted...

HenryAllbright posted...

Funkydog posted...

And why do religious people get to force their beliefs on others then?

The application of the word "force" is being used incorrectly. Nobody forced this person to go into this bakery. On the other hand, this person is trying to force this bakery to comply with his demands.

I have no hatred toward and fully respect LGBT, but it's quite easy to see who's being a shithead in this situation. I hope the courts don't set a precedent that people can just go to businesses and demand them to make something they don't want to make.

Getting upset at a bakery for not making a transgender cake is like getting upset at a video game manufacturer for not making a video game featuring a transgender as the main character. In other words, it's hardly worth getting upset about.

What the fuck is a transgender cake? Is it a blue cake with a pink center? Or a cake shaped like a penis but that has ovary shaped bits inside?

Cake doesnt have a gender

Yes, language and stuff can be funny. Tons of people made the same comment during the original go around with the bakery refusing to serve a gay couple. "What's a gay wedding cake? It's just a cake!!!!" exclaimed thousands of people who thought they were being clever/witty.

So you have two cakes.

Theyre both chocolate and say congratulations!

One is for a Westboro Baptist church protester who burns pikachu dolls and protest soldier funerals. One is for a an accountant that happens to be trans.

How are both cake different?

True, but one doesn't just happen to be trans; they have their own issues and beliefs that led them to undergo radical medical procedures. All the while society is expected to accept both, as they should; however to not get in line with SJW/trans viewpoints is more taboo than falling inline with expressions of religious beliefs nowadays.
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Mr_Karate_II posted...

Maybe he shouldn't have stupid religious beliefs?

Like beliefs that fuel one getting surgery to become something they're really not?
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Kavatar posted...

Just let that piece of shit fade into obscurity with his hateful views.

Big difference between non-acceptance and hate...So why so triggered? You're the one sounding hateful not this baker tbqh.
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Yes; just turned 44, and the advice that I'd give to 18 year old me would be more of a message than a single piece of advice:

Hey dummy, wake up...yeah you...now listen up; You don't need, nor will you play, half of the video games that you're buying; so stop wasting money you fucking idiot. Once a cheat, always a cheat; don't marry her, she's a true whore. Get out and do something with/for yourself; don't let life pass you by, because it will and it will do so quickly...if you let it. Put your imagination and creativity to a positive use. Spend more time with those that you love; one day they'll be gone and you'll regret the missed opportunities that you had to spend time with them. Love yourself and live, don't just 'exist.'

I could go on, but that message covers the basics. :-)
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UnfairRepresent posted...

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

There's never been a point in history where people cared more about Bill Maher than Stan Lee.

Really all that needs to be said.

not really.

I mean Maher is wrong sure but going "he's less popular and therefore wrong" is stupid.

Is pewdiepie more correct on issues than an man who is an expert in his field?

No; he's wrong, and therefore, less popular. :P
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Slayerblade11 posted...

Maher doesn't have a point about anything. His entire post was nonsensical garbage and this is all a desperate ploy for attention.

Yessir. ;)
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rikasa posted...

Of course they have to make it into some valiant defense of a heroic lifestyle. I still agree with Bill.

Like, their genre is massively successful and mainstream, and they feel victimized because one comedian doesn't conform to the same opinion? Terrible fucking people to the core.

Well; Bill is mentally deficient, and you agree with him...hmm. And saying that the folks behind the letter are terrible people is just ignorant on so many levels. While vehemently opposing some of the inspiration and entertainment that Mr. Lee provided for generations, you're lurking on a website that is dedicated to the very things that you so obnoxiously abhor...Hypocrisy at it's finest. Bravo, bravo, you provide passionate inspiration to tens of proud Americans. o-O
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LesserFaith posted...

artowen74 posted...

QwelzaarKane posted...

LesserFaith posted...

hurr durrr
derp
hahaha
herpaderp

Yep, that sums it up quite well.

Yeah its a pretty good summary of Christianity and Marxism

Try harder
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TheKentster posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

I think it's useful for boys to have their own clubs/organizations and for girls to have their own clubs/organizations.

Wow go back to the 18th century

Nope; you're just totally wrong about this.
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I'm not; it's total bullshit.
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A landlord should be able to accept or reject tenancy for any reason. Now the texts, yeah, they're a problem.
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Baked mac n cheese, hands down. :)
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Castlevania: SotN; I was looking for a complete guide(s) on every aspect of the game.
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QwelzaarKane posted...

LesserFaith posted...

hurr durrr
derp
hahaha
herpaderp

Yep, that sums it up quite well.
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Overkill, Testament, Primus, Korn, Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, Nirvana, Death, Kreator, Malevolent Creation, Obituary, Exodus, DMB, RAtM, Metallica, Megadeth, Anthrax....and more.

Was never too into Slayer but Seasons in the Abyss and Live: Decade of Aggression were very enjoyable and got a lot of playtime from my Walkman, lol.
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Shotgunnova posted...

Great album.
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That's pretty nice of you to share the wealth with your fellow gamers; consider this post me throwing my hat in the ring. ;-)
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OPP
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Kineth posted...

Oh boy, a topic about BLM and black on black crime being asked to a mostly non-black crowd. In before 200 posts of double standards of expectations. Replete with "well this black guy said it, so why can't the rest of you think like this." Good job on race relations, you guys.

I wish I had 4 hands so I could give your post 4 thumbs down. o-O
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