Current Events > black lives must not matter until black people start respecting black lives

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DerRickSanchez posted...

nicklebro posted...

DerRickSanchez posted...

the point is blm is a movement about nothing

hypothetically lets lets say blm is 100% true and theres a massive police reform, what now? chicago will be peaceful? inner cities will now flourish?

Wait... So because it doesn't solve every problem, it's now pointless? Lol do you realize how stupid that sounds? " So we have total police reforn and they no longer harass citizens or shoot unarmed innocent civilians,band who cares? No big deal ." Lol how ignorant can a person be?

it won't solve any problem

almost every blm headliner is about a guy who committed a felony

bad policing isn't to blame for this

So there's no such thing as bad policing iyo. Philndo Castile deserved to get shot. No cop has ever broke the law huh? Lmao what a silly thing to say.
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It saddens me that this topic can't be adequately discussed. This turned into lies and idiotic viewpoints lol.

i don't even like the police

castile was a legit problem and the police do it to black and white

eric garner was a legit problem, so was rice

cops are bad, that black cop that killed the australian woman, terrible

blm though? a waste of time built on a false premise
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@Kineth posted...

Oh boy, a topic about BLM and black on black crime being asked to a mostly non-black crowd. In before 200 posts of double standards of expectations. Replete with "well this black guy said it, so why can't the rest of you think like this." Good job on race relations, you guys.

That's a massive assumption about non-blacks... Don't you think that's pretty hypocritical?

Who's the real racist here?
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DerRickSanchez posted...

i don't even like the police

castile was a legit problem and the police do it to black and white

eric garner was a legit problem, so was rice

cops are bad, that black cop that killed the australian woman, terrible

blm though? a waste of time built on a false premise

Wtf did Castile do? I can't wait to hear this one.
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nothing

him being shot is an actual issue, not a cops are killing black people issue but a cops are poorly trained and vetted
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DerRickSanchez posted...

nothing

him being shot is an actual issue, not a cops are killing black people issue but a cops are poorly trained and vetted

Oh I misunderstood you. Ok my bad.
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That's nothing but deflection.

There's no reason for police and policy makers to stop brutalizing and oppressing black people because black people already struggle with violence and crime.

What?
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Kineth posted...

Oh boy, a topic about BLM and black on black crime being asked to a mostly non-black crowd. In before 200 posts of double standards of expectations. Replete with "well this black guy said it, so why can't the rest of you think like this." Good job on race relations, you guys.

You completely called it
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MedzXVIII posted...

At one point, Williams asked: "Where is your soul, black man? As I look in your house, there are no fathers in the home no more."

As for black women, he preached that "as proud, beautiful and fine as our black women are, one thing a black woman cannot do, a black woman cannot raise a black boy to be a man."

"It amazes me how it is when the police kills one of us we're ready to protest, march, destroy innocent property," Williams began. "We're ready to loot, steal whatever we want, but when we kill 100 of us, nobody says anything, nobody does anything. Black on black crime, we're all doing time, we're locked up in our mind, there's got to be a better way, we must stop this today."

Do black lives matter?

"No, black lives do not matter," Williams said. "Black lives will not matter, black lives ought not matter, black lives should not matter, black lives must not matter until black people start respecting black lives and stop killing ourselves."

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/old-school-eulogy-aretha-franklin-funeral-ignites-wrath-005834257.html

Do you agree with Rev. Jasper Williams Jr?

beautiful
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nicklebro posted...

DerRickSanchez posted...

cjsdowg posted...

Fuck him..

Let's use this logic with every other group. But he is too much of coward do to that. Before America can complain about any one from the Middle East they have to end all Crime in America.

Before Women can complain about Domestic Violence they have to make sure no woman ever does any crime.

Before Republicans complain about anything they have to make sure that their President inner circle are being investigated or sent to jail.

sounds like you missed his his point

he's telling people to stop playing the victim, black on black crime kills far more than police do

And? Do you know how crazy it'd have to be for the opposite to get true? Lmao people always bring up this argument as if it makes any kind of sense. No innocent people should be killed by anyone ever, but you seem to think it's ok for cops to kill black people as long as they don't kill more than other black people kill. Lnoa stupid.

its not saying its fine until its equal, the argument is that it is a TINY fraction of the violence, and a TINY part of the overall problem. Black on black crime, he's arguing, is FAR greater in number, and much more damaging to the Black community.

That guy is a jackass. He clearly doesn't understand the intent of the BLM movement. Otherwise, he would not try to attack it in the way that he did.

Additionally, this was not an appropriate forum for sharing his message. This was supposed to be a celebration of Franklin's life, not a place to spew that political garbage.
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https://twitter.com/eveewing/status/1018506163128856578
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That fucker just killed it rhyming for justice.

This is, like, the number one way to get shot.
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you people are just as dumb and ignorant as blm.

Antifar posted...

https://twitter.com/eveewing/status/1018506163128856578

what a bunch of nonsense, if only we could all blame our problems on not having enough money and too much policing

TheRealDill2000 posted...

That guy is a jackass. He clearly doesn't understand the intent of the BLM movement. Otherwise, he would not try to attack it in the way that he did.

Additionally, this was not an appropriate forum for sharing his message. This was supposed to be a celebration of Franklin's life, not a place to spew that political garbage.

what exactly is the intent of blm? only hear about it when a cop shoots a black person
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Antifar posted...

https://twitter.com/eveewing/status/1018506163128856578

TL:DR version

https://i0.wp.com/38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m06ru06AeJ1r7k3tso1_r1_400.gif
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Kineth posted...

a mostly non-black crowd

Who's to say?
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ModLogic posted...

Antifar posted...

https://twitter.com/eveewing/status/1018506163128856578

TL:DR version

https://i0.wp.com/38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m06ru06AeJ1r7k3tso1_r1_400.gif

Yet you complain about the efforts to stop black people from being victims ?
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Kineth posted...

Oh boy, a topic about BLM and black on black crime being asked to a mostly non-black crowd. In before 200 posts of double standards of expectations. Replete with "well this black guy said it, so why can't the rest of you think like this." Good job on race relations, you guys.

I wish I had 4 hands so I could give your post 4 thumbs down. o-O
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i've noticed on this site,it seems okay to make these kinds of topics towards black people.........any other ethnicity,it would've been modded long ago.
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You have to admit that it's rather bigoted to focus on the whiteness of a cop who kills a black suspect when there are multiple studies on the issue that have found no evidence that the race of a cop plays any factor in such shootings (including two recently released studies which have received little attention from left-wing media outlets). For example, a cop was just recently convicted of murdering a black kid last year, and every article I read on the case emphasized the "race" of the cop, and most of the BLM advocates I follow on social media did the same.

Critics of BLM point out black-on-black crime because many BLM advocates choose to focus on the whiteness of the killer (Sean King is the most notorious example). Like how left-wing outlets will point out the much higher rates of native American crime when right wingers begin obsessively focusing on illegal immigrant crime (we just had this controversy recently). Further, the usual counter argument that "but white cops don't get punished whereas black murderers do" doesn't fly as the clearance rate for non-cop-involved black homicide is the lowest for any ethnic group in the country and such homicides are far more numerous.

And remember that BLM advocates don't just focus on white cops here, but white men who kill any black person for any reason. We had the Nia Williams case recently (a black woman killed by a crazy white guy) where the usual media outlets portrayed it as a BLM cause, giving platform to a white celeb (forget her name) who called out all white people for the murder, while invoking the BLM hashtag. And of course there's Jordan Davis which, along with Treyvon Martin, began BLM, neither of whom were killed by police officers.

Fam_Fam posted...

nicklebro posted...

DerRickSanchez posted...

cjsdowg posted...

Fuck him..

Let's use this logic with every other group. But he is too much of coward do to that. Before America can complain about any one from the Middle East they have to end all Crime in America.

Before Women can complain about Domestic Violence they have to make sure no woman ever does any crime.

Before Republicans complain about anything they have to make sure that their President inner circle are being investigated or sent to jail.

sounds like you missed his his point

he's telling people to stop playing the victim, black on black crime kills far more than police do

And? Do you know how crazy it'd have to be for the opposite to get true? Lmao people always bring up this argument as if it makes any kind of sense. No innocent people should be killed by anyone ever, but you seem to think it's ok for cops to kill black people as long as they don't kill more than other black people kill. Lnoa stupid.

its not saying its fine until its equal, the argument is that it is a TINY fraction of the violence, and a TINY part of the overall problem. Black on black crime, he's arguing, is FAR greater in number, and much more damaging to the Black community.

What's interesting is that a much greater percentage of white homicide victims are killed by cops per year than black homicide victims, despite black people being killed by police at three times the rate. 4% vs 12%. This is due to the extremely high black-on-black homicide rate in the country.

CloudThunder posted...

i've noticed on this site,it seems okay to make these kinds of topics towards black people.........any other ethnicity,it would've been modded long ago.

I agree. A white lives matter topic would be reported as racist and deleted
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immaWHOOPdatASS posted...

Kineth posted...

Oh boy, a topic about BLM and black on black crime being asked to a mostly non-black crowd. In before 200 posts of double standards of expectations. Replete with "well this black guy said it, so why can't the rest of you think like this." Good job on race relations, you guys.

You completely called it

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I think they need a different name. Like yes, it means "Black livers matter too, but for years people have been intentionally misinterpreting its meaning. And you spend more time correcting that that than addressing relevant issues.

While I think BLM as a movement is ripe with issues organizationally, and don't agree with all of their goals. I for the life of me do not understand some of these arguments people come up with.

They've expanded some of their goals beyond the police but at its heart its for police & criminal justice reform. But let's use Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD) for an example:

>Would it make sense to tell MADD that more people die from cancer and that they should focus on that before drunk driving? (i.e. Telling an org focused on one issue to change it's focus to an unrelated issue.)

Would we tell an org focused on Pancreatic cancer research to focus on breast cancer because that kills more?

>Would it make sense to assume MADD DOESN'T care about the other ways their kids can die, just because they're protesting one issue? (i.e. making the assumption BLM isn't aware of Black on Black crime. And that it's not partnered with other orgs equipped at tackling that issue)

It's possible to care about more than one issue at a time folks.

I see more people misinterpreting their name and deflecting to other issues affecting the Black community that the movement wasn't founded to target, than to address other pertinent issues. Like some of their goals, tactics, lack of proper leadership structure or not disavowing radical leaders timely enough (like Yusra Khogali).

wow

to 500!
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Gee im sure one of the most racist posters on this website who expresses a constant disdain for black people is posting this topic in good faith

RainblowDash posted...

Well duh

Cant say black lives matter if yall killin each other

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Ammonitida posted...

You have to admit that it's rather bigoted to focus on the whiteness of a cop who kills a black suspect when there are multiple studies on the issue that have found no evidence that the race of a cop plays any factor in such shootings (including two recently released studies which have received little attention from left-wing media outlets). For example, a cop was just recently convicted of murdering a black kid last year, and every article I read on the case emphasized the "race" of the cop, and most of the BLM advocates I follow on social media did the same.

BLM talks about black cops too.
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@Lord_Wombat posted...

@Kineth posted...

Oh boy, a topic about BLM and black on black crime being asked to a mostly non-black crowd. In before 200 posts of double standards of expectations. Replete with "well this black guy said it, so why can't the rest of you think like this." Good job on race relations, you guys.

That's a massive assumption about non-blacks... Don't you think that's pretty hypocritical?

Who's the real racist here?

Not so much an assumption on non blacks in general. He correctly described how this topic goes on this site

It's really a shame that the media and the citizens paid so much attention to the name of the movement. There have been other groups and movements prior to blm that called for accountability for police, the black on black crimes, and fixing households in the black community. There are organizations in my hometown that help ex cons and try to assist the underprivileged, but the news doesn't want to share that.
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Lord_Wombat posted...

@Kineth posted...

Oh boy, a topic about BLM and black on black crime being asked to a mostly non-black crowd. In before 200 posts of double standards of expectations. Replete with "well this black guy said it, so why can't the rest of you think like this." Good job on race relations, you guys.

That's a massive assumption about non-blacks... Don't you think that's pretty hypocritical?

Who's the real racist here?

you
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JackHammer515 posted...

That is awful phrasing don't strictly for shock value and I do not think Aretha Franklin's funeral is the best place to do this.

He is right that the typical black household is in shambles but that's the case in most low income environments anyway which is what he's talking about. It is also straight up wrong to act as though single mothers can't raise black boys and have them to develop into upstanding men.

He is wrong in saying that no one does anything. Tons of people speak out about black and black crime and a lot of things are being done in communities to try to decrease the violence. It isn't like people only focus on one issue at a time.

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As a canadian, change "black" to "american" and this is how a lot of us see U.S.A culture.
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Why the fuck would you rant about this at a funeral for Aretha Franklin
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@Kineth

How come SJWs are silent on black on black crime?

Ever been to the bad parts of Chicago or Baltimore or similar?

Sure police brutality can be bad, but its nowhere near as often as black crime.
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Mecha Sonic posted...

Lord_Wombat posted...

@Kineth posted...

Oh boy, a topic about BLM and black on black crime being asked to a mostly non-black crowd. In before 200 posts of double standards of expectations. Replete with "well this black guy said it, so why can't the rest of you think like this." Good job on race relations, you guys.

That's a massive assumption about non-blacks... Don't you think that's pretty hypocritical?

Who's the real racist here?

you

Not even a little.
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KStateKing17 posted...

@Lord_Wombat posted...

@Kineth posted...

Oh boy, a topic about BLM and black on black crime being asked to a mostly non-black crowd. In before 200 posts of double standards of expectations. Replete with "well this black guy said it, so why can't the rest of you think like this." Good job on race relations, you guys.

That's a massive assumption about non-blacks... Don't you think that's pretty hypocritical?

Who's the real racist here?

Not so much an assumption on non blacks in general. He correctly described how this topic goes on this site

It's really a shame that the media and the citizens paid so much attention to the name of the movement. There have been other groups and movements prior to blm that called for accountability for police, the black on black crimes, and fixing households in the black community. There are organizations in my hometown that help ex cons and try to assist the underprivileged, but the news doesn't want to share that.

Yeah, I should have added the </sarcasm> tags, but decided against it :/
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MangaFan462 posted...

@Kineth

How come SJWs are silent on black on black crime?

Ever been to the bad parts of Chicago or Baltimore or similar?

Sure police brutality can be bad, but its nowhere near as often as black crime.

driving while texting kills more people than terrorism

how come we spend any amount of time talking about terrorism, we should all be talking about driving while texting

p.s. you racist
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Um, its actually against the law to text and drive, theres also awareness ads about it just there are for drunk driving.

Nice fail, Mephisto
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smoke_break posted...

immaWHOOPdatASS posted...

Kineth posted...

Oh boy, a topic about BLM and black on black crime being asked to a mostly non-black crowd. In before 200 posts of double standards of expectations. Replete with "well this black guy said it, so why can't the rest of you think like this." Good job on race relations, you guys.

You completely called it

It's almost like every topic on here regarding BLM or black on black crime ends the same way because this site is just teeming with racists
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If you think black people arent, especially in places like Chicago, doing work to stem violence in their community, you're either ignorant or just want to shit on black people.
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BeantownHero posted...

If you think black people arent, especially in places like Chicago, doing work to stem violence in their community, you're either ignorant or just want to shit on black people.

Yes, but what are the ESS JAY DUBYAS doing?
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MangaFan462 posted...

@Kineth

How come SJWs are silent on black on black crime?

Ever been to the bad parts of Chicago or Baltimore or similar?

Sure police brutality can be bad, but its nowhere near as often as black crime.

'Black on black crime' is such a tired phrase and is basically a chaff grenade to steer the conversation away whenever police misconduct is brought up, much like bringing up Chicago and Baltimore as if every black person lives there. Ever stop to wonder how the bad parts of Chicago and Baltimore got like that?

Most crime is intraracial, you are more likely to be victimized by people you know and are in your community. What about white on white crime? Or _____ on ______ crime?
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SnapesOnAPlane posted...

Gee im sure one of the most racist posters on this website who expresses a constant disdain for black people is posting this topic in good faith

Especially a topic made by a poster who steals memes from The Daily Stormer
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

SnapesOnAPlane posted...

Gee im sure one of the most racist posters on this website who expresses a constant disdain for black people is posting this topic in good faith

Especially a topic made by a poster who steals memes from The Daily Stormer

You talking about the picture I found on reddit?
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It'd hard to argue against police brutality when the cops don't represent the biggest threat to the black community
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MangaFan462 posted...

the appropriate response to this is "you're fucking pond scum. a racist, race-baiting idiot, and it's fucking disgusting that people lack the moral courage to call you out on it."

unfortunately sballen is a _shitty_ administrator who enforces a _shitty_, backwards ToU that protect race-baiting trolls like you, because he's pretty much decriminalized trolling and "soft racism" while continuing to warn and suspend people for saying mean things to racists.

p.s. hi sballen, you're a shitty administrator and you run a _shitty_ website which you've allowed to turn into a festering ground for racism and white nationalism. grow a moral backbone and discover some convictions.
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