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helIy posted...

that would be the smart thing to do, adj, but we're talking about sega here

Plus it does have the downside of having to play other Sega games.
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That's the most Squenix idea I've seen in a long time.
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Boobsicle posted...

Muffinz0rz posted...

Boobsicle posted...

Yall are missing the point that one of the key parts of Chao Garden was going into the missions to collect stuff for the Chaos

Nobody's really missing that, considering the discussion is revolving around how one would go about getting said stuff for the Chao.

And the answer would be to include the new Chao Gardens in SA3B

What might be fun is if Sega integrated all of their future games with the Chao Garden app, so you'd get drives and the like from playing them. It wouldn't necessarily have to be done as in-game drops, since that'd be hard to do without deviating from the game's style, but the app could award you semi-random ones based on your performance over a given session (discrete levels if the game has them, or some sort of sensible time period). That'd also allow for game-unique Chao accessories and styles, which could be fun.
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As much as I'd love to see the Chao Garden come back independently, it really didn't function independently in SA2:B, and I don't know how they could implement the process of gathering stat boosts without either making another full game on top of it where grinding is ostensibly an afterthought (as SA2 did), or making it completely dull by just F2P-ing all over it (trite minigames, loot crates/gachas, waiting periods...). SA2 itself certainly had its share of flaws as its own game, but it really did mesh perfectly with the Chao Garden, and I don't know how else they could strike that balance again.
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Zeus posted...

Otherwise it's clearly not a gender discrimination case so of course it's going to get thrown out.

Would she have been fired if she were a dude?
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PK_Spam posted...

Holy guacamole lol

It's like you've never seen me being obnoxiously pedantic before or something.
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Jen0125 posted...

adjl posted...

You also ignore a lot of topics. You know, just like everyone does. It's quite normal to ignore topics you don't care about and pay attention to topics that interest you to some extent. It's not really a "vested emotional interest," it's just a rough estimate. If you can't put together a rough estimate without vesting emotional interest in it, then it's pretty safe to presume it's a high number.

Who really cares? I don't care enough to type a whole paragraph about this. He asked a question. I answered. Your definition of high and mine may be very different. More than one person here answered unknown. You're the only one who cares.

I don't particularly care how high the number is. I just care that you're getting defensive over it in a logically flimsy manner, because that warrants correction. Can't have people arguing poorly on the Internet, after all.
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Jen0125 posted...

Because it's a discussion topic. I participate in a lot of topics here I don't have a vested emotional interest in.

You also ignore a lot of topics. You know, just like everyone does. It's quite normal to ignore topics you don't care about and pay attention to topics that interest you to some extent. It's not really a "vested emotional interest," it's just a rough estimate. If you can't put together a rough estimate without vesting emotional interest in it, then it's pretty safe to presume it's a high number.

Zeus posted...

Only women can be sluts.

Nah, everyone can be sluts, and everyone that answered that they can't keep track is a slut. Again, not that I'd call that a bad thing, since assigning value to sex is a personal decision, but by definition that means they're treating sex too casually to invest in it emotionally, which - when paired with enough promiscuity to lose count - is the definition of sluttiness.
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Jen0125 posted...

What does the number have to do with my desire to post in the topic? I posted in the topic because the tc asked a discussion question and I participated.

If you didn't care how many people you've slept with, why would you take the initiative to enter and post in a topic asking how many people you've slept with?
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Jen0125 posted...

or you just don't care enough to count

If you didn't care about considering the number at all, you wouldn't have posted in the topic at all. You're really not very good at hiding when you're using "I don't care" to be defensive about something. I stand by what I said: If you can't produce at least a ballpark figure, no matter how little you care about that number, then that means the number's quite large.

Troll_Police_ posted...

Jfc, and people wonder why divorce rates and single motherhood are so goddamn high.

That's more because people in general are very bad at emotions than anything to do with sex. Heck, if anything, you'd have a better case blaming it on people putting too much value on sex, rather than not enough. When you've got so many people saying sex should only happen with somebody you love, is it any wonder people mix up wanting to bang somebody with being in love with them?

That, and failed relationships are nothing new. It's just relatively recently that divorce has become socially acceptable enough that people get out of them instead of sticking with them. People have always sucked at relationships.
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KevinceKostner posted...

So what's the difference here?

Muh religious freedom!
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KStateKing17 posted...

I'm also curious on what would make a Transgender without the physical transition not suitable for combat.

Potentially their mental state, though as with any mental health issue, that would have to be evaluated on a person-by-person basis (and already is because mental health is a big deal for service members, and will continue to be regardless of whatever random thing Trump feels like tweeting).
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The whole "taking your blood anyway but throwing it out" thing definitely happens, but they won't do so without letting you know. In Canada, they used to have this sheet with a pair of bar code stickers on it that you'd stick on the donor information sheet, one to say "yes, my blood's okay," and the other to say "I think it might be dangerous for reasons I don't feel comfortable disclosing here," so people could do it anonymously. That seems silly at first glance, but when you consider how often donating is a group activity, it makes sense. People don't necessarily want their coworkers to know they're HIV positive, or HepB positive, or gay, so having to say "I got deferred because ____" is going to be a problem.

They did get rid of that a while ago, though, possibly because it encouraged people to lie about risk factors and make the decision for themselves. Dunno how often it happens that somebody gets screened out but still pushes through to collection to keep up appearances.
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Zeus posted...

Full Throttle posted...

That means if they are unable to serve in a war zone or take part in a training or serve on a ship for months, then they must go.

Seems fair.

It would, if that actually applied here. There are already tests in place for those things that don't directly have anything to do with whether or not somebody's trans. The trans people in question had to pass such tests to get in in the first place, so if being trans means they're unfit to serve (which it certainly could, given how disruptive the treatment is), that's already taken care of. This is nothing more than a half-baked idea for earning brownie points among the gay-hating redneck part of Trump's fanbase (and it's working beautifully for that).

TheCyborgNinja posted...

I love that gender reassignment is being compared to gallbladder and shoulder surgery... Give me a f***ing break. I'm gonna need eye surgery from rolling mine so hard at that...

Untreated, gender dysphoria has a 37% suicide rate. That's a much higher mortality rate than a torn rotator cuff. Mental health treatment is no less legitimate than physical health treatment, despite what many would like to believe, and that includes treating gender dysphoria.

spooky96 posted...

What makes transgender people's medical expensive more than normal people?

All other things being equal, $30 worth of hormones a month for the rest of their lives, plus the potential costs of actually transitioning (though I would expect them to be taken off of active duty during that process, because it's pretty debilitating). Estimates put the annual costs associated specifically with transgender service members at 2.4-4.4 million, which isn't nothing, but it's hard to be seriously concerned about that when the military spent $80 million treating erectile dysfunction in 2014, and their total health budget that year was 45,000 million.
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Troll_Police_ posted...

adjl posted...

Troll_Police_ posted...

one

there will only ever be one

Even if she dies? It's not really any of my business, and this is a pretty personal question, but I'm kind of curious. You don't have to answer if you'd rather not.

Im really not interested in other women. if my wife dies, then my life becomes dedicated to caring for and looking after our daughter.

Cool. Hopefully it doesn't come to that.
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Zareth posted...

adjl posted...

10 PPP? How droll...

Whoa look at this cool guy over here who cares about people's board viewing settings.

Verily, I am the epitome of coolness.
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Well, yes. His boss knowing what he earns is kind of inevitable. He can still feel a little uneasy about it, though.
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SmokeMassTree posted...

I saw a comment on facebook that amounted to "It's okay, his world view is narrow enough to act as a pinhole projector." I chuckled.
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Troll_Police_ posted...

one

there will only ever be one

Even if she dies? It's not really any of my business, and this is a pretty personal question, but I'm kind of curious. You don't have to answer if you'd rather not.
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It's been about 50/50 docked and undocked, mostly with the joycons in the grip. That's mostly for Zelda, though, so other games that don't promote the grip so much would likely change that.
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Zeus posted...

Which is so typical of the far-leftist view that the government owns everything and by their grace we're allowed to have anything which completely misses that our system was set up so government could work for the people instead of the other way around.

Or, you know, that paying a certain percentage of your income is the price of admission for living in the country and taking advantage of all of the public spending programs. Nowhere did I suggest that that percentage should be 100%, so I'm not sure what's with the desperate hyperbole.

Zeus posted...

As for a person's "fair share" of taxes, that's literally decided by the tax code.

I like how you switched tax (>.>) so quickly to "the government knows best and what they say goes verbatim" from "we shouldn't trust the government with so much of our money." It's no secret that the tax code is a convoluted mess, full of loopholes that get exploited for reasons far beyond their original intent. The basic intent of the tax code is to tax people based on what they can comfortably afford to contribute to the running of the country. Ergo, people paying less than what they can comfortably afford are not paying their fair share. That's just how the tax code is supposed to work.

Zeus posted...

There's no "need" argument involved, especially since the neediest group is broadly exempt from most taxes anyway and then, on top of them, are gifted money from the government.

Sure there's a need argument involved. Somebody who makes $60,000 a year and is also putting two kids through college can't comfortably afford the same amount of taxes that somebody who's making $60,000 a year without children can. They don't have to be the neediest to have needs. What an absurd notion.

Zeus posted...

However, if you're so insistent on tax dollars being transparent because it's public money, why aren't you insisting that the government list everybody on the dole and how much they get by benefit? Then everybody would be able to see who actually needs it and who's being greedy, right? (Granted, it *would* make fraud easier to find.)

That would be implied by "everyone's tax returns," yes. "Everyone" doesn't mean "rich people," as much as the focus here is on preventing legal tax evasion.

OhhhJa posted...

It's not cheating the system if it's legal.

It's cheating the intent behind the system. It's definitely exploiting its shortcomings, which would generally be considered cheating if it were, say, a video game.

OhhhJa posted...

The tax code is available to the public. It's nobody's fault but your own for being ignorant to the available tax breaks.

Not really. Technically, yes, anyone can view the tax code and find all the breaks they're eligible for, but that's not a reasonable expectation for anyone not getting paid to do so. The tax code is terribly complex, and there's a mountain of legal precedent to sift through to figure out whether or not ambiguities can be interpreted in your favour, such that optimizing taxes is a far larger time commitment than most people can manage. This is why people pay accountants, and the best accountants (who can find the most breaks) tend to charge more than any middle-class person will make from those breaks. Ergo, cheating the system. Or maybe just that the system's pay-to-win, to make another video game analogy.
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Jen0125 posted...

Blue_Thunder posted...

If you can't keep track, that means you're a sloot.

Just sayin'.

or you're apathetic to the number

It's pretty easy to keep track of smaller numbers without particularly caring about them. I can tell you I've been to Yarmouth ~4 times, and I really don't care about Yarmouth (because who would). It's only once an event happens a large number of times that you won't be readily able to come up with a ballpark figure.

Also, if one treats sex casually enough that one doesn't care how many different people one does it with, that does in fact make one a slut. By definition. I don't consider that to be a particularly bad thing, because the meaning assigned to sex is a personal matter and not something to judge strangers for, but that's literally what the word means.
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dioxxys posted...

Children arent even considering their sexuality until maybe until 11-12, why is a kindergartner who most likely runs around playing with his friends who pretend to be flying raptor zebras, suddenly the arbiter of his identity? Hes 5 for christsake.

Sexuality and gender identity are separate concepts. 5-year-olds know whether they're a girl or a boy, even if they don't know what their favourite genitals will be.

Now, I don't have an easy answer for the question of how best to treat younger cases of gender dysphoria. The decision to transition is one that has considerations young children simply won't be thinking about, but the disorder is definitely no less valid in younger children, plus blocking puberty makes the whole transition much, much easier. That's another thing science is going to have to figure out, and I don't think science has enough of a grasp on it for the law to even begin to try regulating it.
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Zareth posted...

TC posts a dumb thread on an obvious gimmick account, gets Zeus and Adjil to fight about it for 5+ pages.

A+ trolling, I tip my hat to you good sir.

10 PPP? How droll...
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OhhhJa posted...

And if someone finds ways to get tax breaks then more power to them. That's not my business nor is it yours

It kind of is, actually. Tax dollars are public money. If somebody's getting out of paying their fair share of taxes, that's less public money than there should be, and everybody suffers for that. Ergo, everyone should know what they're missing out on because of that person's greed. Tax breaks exist because some people have needs that mean they can't afford pay as much in taxes as they otherwise would be expected to, and that's fine, but when it's just a matter of wanting more money and not actually needing it, that's cheating the system.
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But they don't come on them, which is the real issue here.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

It doesn't, much as schizophrenia doesn't make the dead come back as voices in the afflicted person's head.

That's really not a valid counter-example. Try again, preferably explaining your point itself instead of saying something poorly-considered that you think is self-evident.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

You can respect a person's choice to believe something different, but I understand that's a difficult concept for you.

This is not a belief, though. It's an identity. "This is who I am" is far deeper than "this is how I feel," and should be treated accordingly. If not, you aren't actually respecting it.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Gender can't be nurtured, much as you can't nurture your hair brown.

Again, poor counter-example, especially where environmental factors can change your hair colour (namely the sun, ignoring the obvious hair dye). If you're going to make a counter-example like that, you need to do a lot more to link it to the actual subject than "I guess they're both things that happen in the body and that means they're the same," because self-identity is very, very different from hair colour.

TheCyborgNinja posted...

To a point it's harmless to play along, but if it's taken far enough you're enabling a mental illness and it's no better than giving money to an addict.

How so? I see comments like that a lot, but they're never anything more than vague, conceptual quips that sound more or less logically valid, but never actually look at what the most effective treatments are to make the analogy any more concrete than that. That makes sense, given that it's not laypeople's job to determine the ideal treatment approach, but that becomes a problem when those laypeople decide that the doctors prescribing the treatment are wrong, without any basis. Just let the doctors figure it out, and do what they tell you to in the mean time.
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Clench281 posted...

Dikitain posted...

Clench281 posted...

Dikitain posted...

Clench281 posted...

Dikitain posted...

I am uncomfortable even having my boss know how much money I make

Why?

Read what is in the parenthesis.

Yeah, that doesn't answer the question.

Yes, it does.

Okay, if I have to draw it out from you, why are you uncomfortable with your boss knowing that you make more money than them?

I would guess because somebody's generally going to be pretty reluctant to give a raise to a subordinate that already makes more than them, or at least that that's what he's concerned about. It might even lead to a pay cut.
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

Even the SJW camp contradicts itself between "gender is a social construct" and "people can be born the wrong gender." It can't be both of those, yet here we are...

Sure it can. Almost every nature vs. nurture question ends up being a little bit of both. Almost everything about human behaviour is some combination of genetic predisposition and environmental stimuli. I see no reason to treat gender any differently.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Gender is how society approaches sex, it's not something detached from sex,

Gender dysphoria detaches it from sex. By definition. By acknowledging the existence of gender dysphoria, you acknowledge that gender is distinct from sex. That they line up a certain way 99.9% of the time doesn't change that they're distinct concepts.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

It goes against what I originally argued against Serras' "She was born as a boy, but she is really a girl." which is immediately taking the side of transgenderism which is pretty bias and harms future debate.

No, that's just what being respectful entails. Being respectful is not "okay, I'll play along with how you feel," it's "okay, I accept this."
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

The reach of a generalisation isn't for one person to decide,

It's usually open for some degree of debate, if one person disagrees with what another person feels is suitable. If done intelligently, though, a generalization will have some empirical basis, which can be cited as needed.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Try not to group everyone you don't like in one group and try to oppress them,

I don't, typically. Grouping people who voluntarily associate with Nazis with those Nazis isn't particularly unreasonable in my books, though (especially when they're saying things that are in line with Nazi ideals), and there's plenty of historical basis for telling Nazis where to stuff their ideas. Frankly, if there's any single group I'm never going to sympathize with when they complain about being oppressed, it's Nazis.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Don't act like the mods are either consistent or unbiased.

They are neither, but I'm pretty comfortable assuming that the issue here is how you talked about mental health, not the factn that you were talking about it at all.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

To recognise the disorder is to recognise that they think gender identity doesn't align with biological sex.

The additional word changes nothing, because gender is the psychological aspects of sex. Of course it's what they think. That's what we call stuff that happens in the mind.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

I just think how it's delivered to children needs to allow them to decide how they feel on the legitimacy of being able to be the wrong gender while respecting other people's decisions regardless.

So when they're young, say "Timmy's actually Tina now, so treat her like a girl" so they respect the person and their treatment choices appropriately, then introduce the deeper science and social controversy in higher grades when they can better understand all viewpoints and the nuances associated with them without compromising that basic respect? Sounds like a plan. I can't say I see how that contradicts how this case played out, though.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

adjl posted...

Somebody's choice of friends is a pretty reliable indicator of their overall character, which in turn plays a large role in how much stock you should put in what they say.

Making generalisations is pretty insulting and is basically what Hitler did to the Jews, so I'd be a little less cavalier calling other people Nazis if I were you.

Making generalisations is the basis for almost all day-to-day function. The problem arises when those generalisations are too far-reaching (as is the case in your post, as you've managed to overgeneralize generalisation), or when there's inadequate basis for generalizing. Generally speaking, it's safe to say that there are more convincing ways to make a point than to march with Nazis, so anyone looking to make a point should probably go home and try something else if a bunch of Nazis show up to the march.
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Melon_Master posted...

Wow, Andrew/adjl is ripping through Zeus.

Honestly, it's not that hard. He's kind of been unraveling since Charlottesville. I think the cognitive dissonance is getting to him, coupled with Erik levels of being unable to accept being wrong.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

adjl posted...

No, but it does mean they're assholes, and you should probably avoid hanging out with them if you want to be taken seriously.

You have to be an asshole to disregard everything someone says due to the company they keep.

Somebody's choice of friends is a pretty reliable indicator of their overall character, which in turn plays a large role in how much stock you should put in what they say.
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Zeus posted...

why would you invent a second term that means exactly the same thing as the first term? Hint: You wouldn't.

There's literally an entire class of reference text devoted to English words that mean the same thing as other words, and a term to describe such words.

Zeus posted...

If it didn't need the "neo" as you rather wrongly and stupidly suggest, people wouldn't f***ing use the "neo."

And they typically don't, because that's how implications work. "Neo-" is only really necessary when you do actually need to differentiate them from the historical party. Most of the time, there isn't going to be any ambiguity for leaving it out.

Zeus posted...

For starters, the fact that the Nazis were associated with socialism and the suppression of free speech hasn't stopped you from supporting those principles

Nazis didn't really support socialism. Including "socialist" in the name was largely just an effort to attract younger, disenfranchised workers who liked the sound of it; the party itself was modeled pretty much entirely off of Italian fascism.

Zeus posted...

Otherwise the fact that they're racists doesn't automatically mean that they're going to be wrong 100% of the time and on every issue.

No, but it does mean they're assholes, and you should probably avoid hanging out with them if you want to be taken seriously.

Zeus posted...

Nobody considers them true Nazis except for you and your SJW cronies.

That has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. Try again.

Zeus posted...

Which, again, makes zero sense on every conceivable level.

It's hardly conclusive, but if somebody spends this much time resisting criticizing Nazis, that definitely suggests they actually like Nazis. Again, it's very simple to fix this. Pretty much everyone has an easy time saying "Nazis suck." Because, you know, Nazis suck. That is, unless you don't actually feel that Nazis suck, in which case you're sympathizing with Nazis, which - by definition - would make you a Nazi sympathizer.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

It's not recognised by the mods btw

In my experience, the mods like to nitpick between "mental disorder" and "mental illness," which is dumb and arbitrary, but they're generally fine with calling it a mental disorder unless you're doing so in a derogatory fashion (which, given your general attitudes on the subject, I fully expect you've been doing).

Kyuubi4269 posted...

it's different to say someone has a mental disorder than say what they believe is true.

To recognize the disorder is to recognize that gender identity doesn't necessarily align with biological sex. How best to treat that is still up for debate, certainly, but that's a matter for doctors and scientists to resolve, not school teachers. Until that debate is settled, the appropriate course of action for laypersons (including students) is to respect and support victims of gender dysphoria in whatever course of treatment they've undertaken, regardless of what that is. That includes telling their classmates what's going on, and what they're doing to treat the disorder.

In short, shut up and let doctors do their job. It's not your place to challenge the treatment plans other people have been given. For that matter, unless it's a close personal friend, it's not even your place to form an opinion on the matter, and even then it should be based on directly observing them suffering under the treatment plan, and not because you read something on the Internet that suggested it might not be optimal. Your place consists entirely of using the pronouns you're asked to use by people you meet, because trying to meddle in the treatment by refusing to do so will invariably do more harm than good.
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Regular public reminders, no less.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Because transgenderism isn't the most recent understanding of gender,

Gender dysphoria is a pretty universally-recognized mental disorder. Do you deny its existence?

Kyuubi4269 posted...

And if we want to go by your decade or two catchup rule

It's not really a rule so much as how it typically goes. That's becoming less true with the proliferation of new information via the Internet, whereas it used to be that you had to wait for textbooks to be updated, and they'd often be decades out of date because a new class set of textbooks is expensive, and it's certainly not something that needs to be adhered to.
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Zeus posted...

It's not "technically," it's completely and literally.

"Neo-nazi" means "Nazis in a post-WWII world." That is literally Nazis, and if you need the "neo-" to be added to specify that nobody used a time machine to travel back to the 1930's, I really don't know what to tell you.

Zeus posted...

Nor is it "technical" that the crowd wasn't even entirely neo-nazis because not all white supremacists are neo-nazis and not everybody in the crowd was necessarily a white supremacist.

Frankly, if somebody's willingly marching alongside swastika flags, they don't get to complain about being lumped in with Nazis. If you show up to a protest, and Nazis show up to march with you, go home and rethink your position, because having Nazis agree with you should be a pretty major red flag that you don't want to be involved in such shenanigans.

Zeus posted...

At any rate, you're a shining example of the book

That's demonstrably false. I never liken people to Hitler because I don't like them, except perhaps occasionally to be facetious (and even then, part of that facetiousness is that I don't actually dislike them). I liken people to Hitler or Nazis when they act in a manner comparable to Hitler or Nazis, as is pretty standard protocol for drawing comparisons.

Now, I can't help but notice that you still haven't moved on from your pedantic deflection and actually criticized the neo-Nazis in question, or even what you would consider to be true Nazis. Again, that's an awfully convincing basis for calling you a Nazi sympathizer.
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Blasted_Fury posted...

no adj

in school we need to learn how to write a check.

School's over a decade long. They should have time to cover both subjects, particularly where they're both pretty quick lessons.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

The approach is important. Much like you don't teach the world was made in 7 days, you don't teach that gender is a choice. You inform people of the different beliefs that exist and allow them to decide what makes sense to them of their own accord.

I don't know what weird schools you're looking at, but every curriculum I know of that isn't being taught by a hardcore fundamentalist just teaches evolution, leaving other creation myths to be taught as part of a religious studies class that specifically explores such things. It's pretty standard for curricula to reflect the most up-to-date understanding science has of the subject (minus a decade or two because it takes a while to catch up); why should gender be treated any differently?
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Zeus posted...

adjl posted...

Full Throttle posted...

The stone carving will be moved to another location but be made available to the public for study

So the history's not actually being erased, and people are whining about nothing. Same old story.

He says even while bullies like him are allowed to interfere with history.

Would you care to explain how "available to the public for study" counts as "erased"? Because that sounds to me like the history's still there. It's just not being celebrated in an incomplete form. If anything, you should be happy that it's being moved where people can get a more comprehensive understanding of the history, rather than only being fed small bits of whatever incomplete story somebody commissioned a carver to tell decades ago.

Of course, that latter bit is assuming that your goal is in fact to educate people about history. as claimed, and not just a desperate attempt to preserve monuments to white supremacy under the banner of education.
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wwinterj25 posted...

Not really the place to learn about these things.

School is precisely the place to learn such things. The purpose of school is to prepare children to function as adults in society, and part of functioning as adults in society is understanding how some people are different.
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Full Throttle posted...

The stone carving will be moved to another location but be made available to the public for study

So the history's not actually being erased, and people are whining about nothing. Same old story.
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Zeus posted...

And I'd love for somebody to spread the kind of malicious lies about you that you're trying to spread about me

I mean, you've yet to say anything about the Charlottesville Nazis except "technically, they're not really Nazis because I don't understand what 'neo-' means," without criticizing them at all. Being critical of Nazis is a sufficiently universal thing that not criticizing them is certainly cause to think that one might be inclined to side with them. It's really not hard to distance yourself from Nazis, if that's really something you like the sound of.
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For all intensive purposes, he got it right, so I could care less.
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More accurately, she successfully countersued him for one dollar after he tried to sue her for ruining his career after he grabbed her butt, which wasn't about her own damages so much as it was saying "no, you don't get to complain about this, because you're a perverted creep who shouldn't have done this."
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Is there a magic man in the sky ruling over everything? Probably not. Are there omnipresent forces that govern the world? Demonstrably so. Is there reason to believe that such forces exist in capacities that can't easily be measured or predicted, such as governing human interactions? I'd say so, and I look at most religions as attempting to describe those less-measurable forces and advise people on how to work their lives around them. In an abstractly spiritual sense, I believe in a god, but my general sense is that personifying those forces just makes it easier for people to explore them, rather than actually having some divine being governing us.
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

My point is that people are making call-backs to WWII to justify arguments today and have no idea what they're talking about.

WWII and its legacy. Did everyone hate the Nazis for restricting the rights of Jews? No, nobody really cared, because everybody hated Jews a little. Afterwards, though, when it came to light just what atrocities Hitler had committed by taking that hatred to the extreme, everybody started caring a whole lot more. What the Nazis did may have been consistent with how the rest of the world felt, but no decent person could look at Auschwitz and say "yeah, that's what I wanted." Instead, every decent person looked at Auschwitz and said "I don't want that to happen again." The Nazis may not have been ideological enemies before the war, but they definitely were after, and that's how they're treated today.
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OhhhJa posted...

It doesn't look like he went in for the full on grope but he probably thought, "I'll just rest my hand here on her bum and she probably won't make a fuss about it"

That's not okay either.
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