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Saying "you're making yourself look bad" is not the same as "you look bad."

Come now, KBM.

There you go. Good job. You're an idiot, but good job.

It literally serves no purpose except to try to get me to shut up. It doesn't convince people to go after me, it doesn't even imply that I'm scum. It just implies that you want me to shut the fuck up.

Vengeful_KBM posted...

You seem really, really, really, really determined to swing the lynch in that direction though based on Scare's super-super-unbelievably-obviously-true scan. It's making you look really bad.

Why would you say that last sentence?

It literally serves no purpose except to try to get me to shut up. It doesn't convince people to go after me, it doesn't even imply that I'm scum. It just implies that you want me to shut the fuck up.

So. Why say it?

The best I can come up with in the scare is Town scenario, is scare scanned me with something that isn't definitive but looks like I am scum, and he decided to roll with it seeing if I would crack

Vengeful_KBM posted...

And radio silence.

I mean, I said my piece. Like Red and I have both alluded to, Scare probably should have played his cards closer to his chest; but he didn't, which means we're lynching Plum in about 24 hours, and the day is largely going to grind to a halt until then. So it goes.

One obvious reason for there being two scanners is that that balances out well with having a miller.

But never mind that. How is Scare's absence scummy? How is it anything, really?

##Vote: Plum

scanned him scum

If Scare is a jack, why the hell would he announce this?

Well scare isn't going to fake a scan on day 2.

##Vote: Plum

scanned him scum

Tom Bombadil posted...
oh good dowolf is here, next.

##Unvote: dowolf
##Vote: pez

I'm getting manipulative vibes off him. Not 100% he's scum, but I'd rather have this fight now than half an hour before deadline when he's not around.


You want to talk any specifics? What have I manipulate or tried to manipulate? I don't know what you're seeing.

As stated in previous posts:
-"Slipping in" a Trump joke
-When I called you on it, you snipped out my reasoning, and just kinda apologized for the poor taste rather than addressing my concern that it was a scumtell.

And also:
-When I called you on THAT, you continued ignoring the point and (IMO) tried to distract me with the Oddity thing. I buy that you're tired, but it still seems unusual for you to seek my validation like that.

I will be quite entertained if we are both still in game when I see you. Like old times! With more pokemon catching and less bathroom break meta.

Tom, you've waffled on me a bit so far. Let's see if we can clear this up. At the beginning you thought I was kind of scummy. Midday yesterday you weren't for pushing me or Chris. This morning you thought you spotted a scum tell from last night and you thought I ignored it.

Let's start there. You claimed me slipping in politics was a scum tell to butter up the crowd. I wasn't trying to butter up the crowd. I was trying to be funny. Apparently it didn't work very well, but it was also wrong to bring in politics to this zone.

Let me tell you what my strategy has been for most of the game and then come back to exactly what I was trying to do here.

Early on I noticed something I thought Chris was setting up. Still not giving specifics. But, I realized a Scare lynch train was coming. I read Scare as town with bad reasons. So, I thought it might be a good chance to catch people jumping onto him. I watched for my biggest guts to vote Scare. Then I'd vote them instead. I was waiting for Death, Leo (who dropped off my list cause Red replaced), LoLo, Dowolf, and Phoenix. None of them voted Scare. Except Dowolf, who I think really meant to vote Scept. I no longer thought the Scare lynch was useful for me. So I tried to close it. That's the point of the post with politics. Maybe that'll help you understand that point and maybe it won't.

But you're probably more concerned at me appearing to ignore you. I don't know what to say other than not scum here. So I thought I'd show you. That's part of asking about Oddity. I wanted you to see what I saw. But I also knew I was off. And I was wrong about my read about Oddity, not about him being town but about why he was changing votes. I was pressing a little hard, because I didn't know if you had to leave for work and I knew I'd be leaving soon too. I was hoping to get a little validation before my Death vote.

[He goes on to cite a few more specific examples.]

Oh hey that's more what I expect from Pez. You're not OFF the scum list but you're no longer at the top either and that vote won't do much now anyway.

##Unvote: pez

Dowolf I think Death is the best vote. I know he isn't here but that's not my fault. I won't vote Oddity. If you can give me a good alternative, I'll do my best to engage it.

Dowolf and I were actively fighting to stop the Oddity lynch. You need something better than he was just not having anything productive. I focused on trying to convince Tom because he didn't have a vote on Oddity. I thought he would listen to me because of our past. If i got him to follow me, I'd have switched to working on Dowolf too. I was contributing IMO

SBell: Waffled yesterday and did not take strong stances. This seems like a likely attitude for someone who knew the lynch was town on town.

He sucks because Eddv and I talked about KBM's first time through Voyager earlier this year, specifically how she responded warmly to him in Season 1, and we were basically not allowed to spoil for her that he goes downhill fast. He sucks because we had to keep that secret from her, and we had to watch our friend suffer for it.

KBM has just been spectacularly useless this game and [I'm not going to quote the rest of this]

Vengeful_KBM posted...

I will say that telling people not to contribute to the topic is unusually anti-town behavior for a Town Chris. I remember him having lambasted people for saying such things.

he said that he didn't want people bugging oddity during this time

there's still what, 12 people to discuss with?

I tend to like killing KBM just on general principle, but I'm not sure she's done anything scummy except not post.

Was I talking to you, KBM? No? Then kindly stop taking jabs at me as I talk with Chris.

Alright, you want to know why I'm mad? Your argument is based on things I believe to be true. I 100% know those things and am the supreme authority on those things and I know your arguments are wrong. Others may perceive my intentions differently, but it doesn't change what I know to be true. I can't convince you of that but it's still true. If you're fucking town, Chris... man, you can't read me at all.

It was an epiphany. I'm still mad.