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dowolf posted...

masterplum posted...
dowolf posted...
##Unvote;
##Vote: Plum

this is getting annoying, and I have a headache already anyways.


... what?

everyone's ignoring this to talk about oddity.

Most people so far have expressed the opinion that plum is on the townier side of the equation, so I don't think this should be too surprising.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

KBM can I sing you beautiful music from musicals under an oak tree sometime?

As long as you can stay in tune, yes!

Oddity posted...

Well I guess you'll find out when I flip, then. It's 100% truth. You people have to lynch chris. Actually, this is a bit humbling. I just realized I've seen these exact same things from others who have suffered chris lynch trains. 'You have to lynch him.' But they never do. Your tongue is too silver.

Weren't you, like, just enraged though? Was that tactic not working out well enough? >_>;

(And before someone points that out, yes I know that question is a touch reductive, but the point still stands.)

Oddity posted...

Chris' argument against me is complete bullshit. The hoppy vote thing is true, I've put my vote a lot of different places, but it's just how I play day 1.

No matter how many times I read this it sounds like you're saying:

Chris' argument is complete bullshit except that what he's saying is true. It's just what I do though.

How can something be complete bullshit if you admit that it has a basis in reality?

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Yup Scare and Oddity, epic scum buddies???

This scenario feels surprisingly likely, to be honest.

(I'm agreeing with Chris on Day 1, surely the end times are fast approaching.)

Oh wait that last comment was probably in response to plum. Though I don't think he said anything about infallible truths either.

htaeD posted...

am I just tired, or did this 'dowolf is gonna die thing' come out of nowhere?

Hey, dowolf's the one that said it first.

masterplum posted...

Even if this is true, dowolf is in enough contention that it isn't completely farfetched to think KBM could have acted as Dowolf hypothesized.

How is zero votes "contention"?

dowolf posted...

Well I think we can all trust that vague memories of nondescript events from the distant past provide infallible truths about the present.

This is the definition of a gut read. Nobody said anything about infallible truths.

You're falling out of my top three town reads in record time.

Why would I think you're going to die soon?

dowolf posted...

Vengeful_KBM posted...

Other town reads I've got right now include Tom, plum, and to a lesser extent dowolf.

...Why?

Are you asking why it's to a lesser extent, or why you're on the list in the first place?

If your question is the former, it's because you haven't done all that much, and if it's the latter, my gut is telling me you've seemed consistent with the town dowolf I'm used to.

ScareChan posted...

sake bombs all around

Yes give me one.

Also I realize I have been a bit aloof, apologies for having been in and out. I am still surprisingly fine with the Oddity lynch considering he was my first vote, but the Scare lynch also feels more like a decent alternative the more time passes. I'd prefer lynching Scare to lynching Sceptile, anyway, who has felt pretty genuine to me so far.

Other town reads I've got right now include Tom, plum, and to a lesser extent dowolf.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Yes and that's lovely but I think he should chill on red and join the glorious adventure on Oddity.

I can't disagree with this!

Also I am quickly losing my empathy for Scare. I was fine with him when it was only the first few pages of the first topic but now he seems to have doubled down in a way that makes me nervous.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Why are you quoting 30 year old songs?

Because it's from one of the best musicals of all time!

If my vote weren't already on Oddity for admittedly thin reasons, I'm pretty sure this topic would make me switch my vote to him anyway.

Obellisk posted...

htaeD posted...

having ctrl/f'd Chess, I can see Chris probably has chess on the brain from spending so much time on CHESS topics

Nothing is so good it lasts eternally
Perfect situations must go wrong

<3

Will have thoughts on some more stuff in a bit since I just caught up on the topic

You have. Do you understand why I disagree?

Lol, again, I don't agree with his votes.

Take empathy out of the equation and I have to have an opinion on your alignment or plum's alignment, and I don't. At the very least I agree that.

But if you're really wanting to make the Plum vote the basis of your argument, that's the second page of the entire game, in a post that's a single sentence long - a vote that Scare was so rock solid on that he changed it like a page later. I don't understand going after this.

(And incidentally I do agree with Scare that not reading PMs is bad in general. Remember that I also lynched FFD last game based on general policy and would do it again.)

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Then why didn't you snap vote for me?

Because the fact that I understand his vote emphatically does not mean that I agree with his vote.

Also...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Your reasoning lacks nuance.

So did Scare's last game and so does yours.

Come to think of it this is all probably some weird Trap that you're laying, that's usually what you end up saying when your reasoning makes this little sense.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

I didn't vote for him because 'he noticed' I used a chessboard analogy, I voted because it seems strange to me for a town scare to leap onto that when you yourself, who knows me less than scare does in mafia, understood I use chessboard references.

Also didn't you read the last game? We were talking about your last chessboards for DAYS. You were scum, if you forgot.

I do not consider rawring a particularly strong term. Now, if it were in all-caps...

It will certainly help when Scare is here to contextualize his vote.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Speaking of Scare time to counter vote, honestly my favorite thing to do in mafia as town other than to day vig.

##unvote:
##vote: Scare

So anyway he has really bad reasoning on Plum and then votes for me for a prior game. He's going to be all like "oh my god Chris counter voted me" but then let me just say in this post to counter the counter argument he has yet to coin that, in fact, it is perfectly reasonable to vote someone who is voting for you for silly reasoning.

I'm talking about your original vote. There are nine words about Plum. The majority of the post, and the thrust of your argument recently, is dedicated to "rawr Scare should know better than this". I realize there was a Plum element but you don't get to retcon that in as your primary reason.

I had the same kneejerk reaction I had when I read it!

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Why is mine more tenuous?

Because he's voting you for doing something you did last game as scum, and you're voting him for noticing?

That seems like a reaction that's WAY more likely for town to have. A sort of "goddammit not again with this chessboard deal" type thing.

Like, I get that you want to hold everybody to endgame standards all of the time, and that's great, but it becomes hypocritical when the reasoning for your own vote is even more tenuous than his lol.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

I am less so inclined. Scare knows me pretty well, he is capable of catching scum Chris. And he votes for that?

It's almost like it happened two and a half pages into the game

Phoenix-Smasher posted...

Is that anything more than a coincidence (or whatever word I'm probably blanking on atm)? Maybe Chris just likes chessboard analogies

He totally does like chessboard analogies. I'm not saying I agree with Scare, just saying I understand the kneejerk reaction after last game.

htaeD posted...

also i dont quite get the difference KBM, though I get what you and Sbell are trying to say

- "It's easier for me to judge people's mafia play when I'm not distracted by past experiences with them"

It's a statement that can't really be disagreed with. This is where my issue is.

Also Sbell I definitely thought you were Oddity and will probably continue to confuse the two of you as long as you have a name starting with an O that's roughly the same length >_> Just so we know that there's potential for KBMfusion down the line.

htaeD posted...

I dont mind saying this, since its clear in the post itself, but I think he is disagreeing with 'being easy to read'

which, in turn, makes pez seem a bit too defensive

That's... not how I read that statement though. As I read it, SBell said it makes people easier to read for him when he doesn't have preconceived notions. There's a difference.

I can't tell you how many times I've been lynched on "preconceived notions" that turned out to be complete figments of people's imaginations.

Pez claiming that you can't possibly have preconceived notions about people you've played with before is a weird argument to take up. Granted, it's possible that if I'd played with Nana before last game I'd have had a better time of his... weirdness, but that's still a pretty absurd claim to make. It's extremely clear what SBell was trying to say - "I have no preconceived notions about you" - and yet pez essentially comes back with "here's why you're wrong." Weird exchange there.

pezloco posted...

SBell0105 posted...

pezloco posted...

SBell0105 posted...

... while I do not know him from Adam i only think this gives me a better chance at getting a good feel on him.

How in the world is not knowing me supposed to make you read me better?

I have no preconceived notions regarding you.

I've played with Chris, Dowolf, Death, Sceptile, KBM, VI, Scare, Plum, Leo, even Tom once or twice i believe. So i have a history with them which could lead me to think one way or another based on previous experiences.

Not you though, I get to come in and take everything you say and do at face value and I think that that makes you easier to read.

I completely disagree. Playing with people means that you have more information. This game is about information. You're worried that you'll get into a "clearly I cannot choose the wine" situation with them because of that. In this game more information is good not bad.

Literally responding "I completely disagree" here to "I have no preconceived notions regarding you" - which is just a fact.

Phoenix-Smasher posted...

Don't like how Scare jumps at plum over joking about reading his role PM then jumps onto Chris on a whim.

In Scare's defense here, not that this says anything about either of their alignment, but Chris did use the chessboard analogy heavily last game as scum. It is slightly more than a whim.

Phoenix-Smasher posted...

You probably wouldn't recognize it, but others might remember. I used to have an account called I_Am_New_Here a few years ago.

Also I totally remember you by this name. I think we played a couple games together at some point back in the day.

I actually totally forgot this was starting tonight or I would have been here when the topic went up!

I keep typing out different ways of saying "I'm fine" but they all sound insincere because "fine" always sounds insincere. I legitimately am doing fine, though, my life is uneventful at the moment.

Oddity posted...

Huh, you're right. Not sure if this is overeager town or something scummy. I'm leaning overeager town tbqh.

I feel like I have read this exact post verbatim in every mafia game I've ever read.

I say we ##Vote: Oddity for the early cliche.

Confirm

I'll play!

I wouldn't mind an extension - I would be able to get some of Enterprise Season 4 watched before we started that way, instead of just the first three.

That said, I'm also content to start at the previously-scheduled time.

Been neglecting to post, beaten a few games recently

The Blackwell Legacy (PC)
Blackwell Unbound (PC)
The Blackwell Convergence (PC)

In fairness the above are more like episodes of a Telltale game or something. This is a really cool little throwback point-and-click adventure series; I'm quite enjoying it so far and the games seem to be improving as they go along. Rosangela Blackwell and Joey Malone are fun leads, and the games play with themes that I really like.

Also finished recently:

Final Fantasy I + II: Dawn of Souls (GBA)
Final Fantasy VII (PC)

(I'm really bad at remembering to post lol)

Agreed, great movie

Hawkeye

Let He Who Is Without Sin...

You're right that does make it too easy. Forget I said anything.

...Dammit I had a feeling it was a DS9 episode I didn't like but I didn't want to look it up >_>

Maybe if you'd put the "..." at the beginning of the title...

Anagram posted...

A Bump in Bumpbump

A Night in Sickbay?

I don't know what yours is, Jeff.

I've got one

Bump as Bump

(And incidentally if anybody knows they're not going to be interested in playing a game, and nobody else steps up to host, I'd love to have someone who's willing to be an ear for at least balancing purposes.)

Give me a couple days if nobody else wants to step up and host, I have some ideas for setups lying around that I can revamp.

Stephen King Mafia 2 was one, or Babylon 5 mafia. I do have malleable setup ideas for either one ready to go.

Nanahara715 posted...

I'm very interested to hear from KBM.

Why the hell did you keep intentionally misconstruing/lying about the content of my posts

Wow. Well played, Puns.

and a Vulcan

Thank youuu :D