Lurker > Steiner

malyg posted...

Savage vs Warrior the following year is one of my fav ever Wrestlemania matches.
Great match that gets overshadowed by the Miss Elizabeth post-match stuff

yeah i went back and forth over which one to include, but no doubt these are the two matches of his career worth watching

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Whiskey_Nick posted...

+25
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+19 Ultimate Warrior
+18
+17 Great Khali
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+11 Ta-Gar, Lord of the Volcano
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+6 Ultimo Dragon
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+1 Missile Assault Ant

nick, tagar and missile assault ant haven't been posted yet
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ultimo would fit in well on nicks list to be fair.
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Eddv posted...

God dammit nick

There's only one nick special remaining. I wonder if anybody can guess it
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ertyu0078 posted...

what makes you think I ever actually hit a woman or girl

probably all the times you talk about it

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junk_funk posted...

Kane got three votes but still couldn't break 15 points? Damn.

kane somehow got 3 votes and nearly made a top 100 wrestlers of all time list - this is a huge overachievement for him

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scarletspeed7 posted...

He received one vote. It could have been +25 points for all we know.

i can exclusively reveal it was for +15 points. so if you gave anybody 16 or more.... they're on the list

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expected a troll topic, did coldplay not make it to be the butt of jokes in the states?

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new japan is back baybeeeeeee

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+8 Shovel Knight
+6 Horizon Zero Dawn
+4 DOOM
+9 Super Smash Bros. For 3DS/Wii U
+5 Nier
+10 Jackbox Party Pack 3
+7 Tales of Berseria
+3 Fallout: New Vegas
+1 Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker
+2 Yoshi's Crafted World


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easy mistake - I'm glad a few people are arguing for her, she deserves it
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you should look like 3 posts up
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still rooting for the instant dick kick, 3 second match

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Kyubit_Foxstar posted...

How could a dropkick be impressive? Im glad you asked, Steiner

dude i'm going to vote for kazuchika okada

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one point sephs didn't touch on that I think is of note for toyota's case - if my knowledge serves me right, she fronted an era of AJW that featured some of the most innovative wrestling of all time, where many of the insane moves you would see on the indies today were invented and popularized.

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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

I only have Tweets about the Smackdown spoilers.

But it sounds so bad it's hilarious how bad it is.

the tweets i read were "tv moty"

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ExThaNemesis posted...

jesus fucking christ, I forgot AmDrag

aren't you in the crowd at that manhattan mayhem match? i just rewatched it yesterday and good fucking lord, what a match

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scarletspeed7 posted...

Katsuyori Shibata vs. Tomohiro Ishii - G1 Climax 23 Day 4
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Mx411q7Sc

could have left it here, the best sprint in wrestling history, one of my favourite matches of all time and the easiest match to show people who aren't into japanese wrestling and have them go, "holy shit, this is different"

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is it because i've got caught up watching the bryan matches? who can say

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oh i don't have the energy for more writeups today but luckily i'm off work tomorrow and can bash out a bunch before I try to vote on Sunday

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motherfucker

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+8 Batman: Arkham City
+9 Donkey Kong Country Returns
+4 Bastion
+5 Sonic Generations
+3 Pokemon GO
+6 Red Dead Redemption
+7 The Last of Us
+10 Persona 5
+1 Final Fantasy XIII
+2 Radiant Historia

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Mitsuharu Misawa

In America in the 80s there was Ric Flair and the Big Gold Belt, the NWA World's Heavyweight Championship. In Japan in the 90s, there was Misawa and the AJPW Triple Crown Championship. The title was born in 1989, and a year on in the summer of 1990, Tiger Mask II would unmask and begin his ascent to that title, as the legend of Misawa was born. He would immediately wrestle the company's current Ace, Jumbo Tsuruta, in one of the greatest matches of all time, a match that would be pointed to as the birth of the King's Road style - a style that would become the dominant style wrestled around the world to this day, and which would produce a slew of the best matches of all time.

He wouldn't win the Triple Crown championship until 1992, but by that time the era of Misawa was already in full swing. It would be at the beginning of this reign that he'd first face his tag team partner, Toshiaki Kawada, which would kick off maybe the greatest rivalry of all time, as the pair would face off in not only numerous singles matches, but legendary tag team matches as well with Misawa teaming with Kenta Kobashi to take on Kawada and Akira Taue.

He'd continue having great matches with the other 4 Pillars of Heaven, as they would come to be known, and also the gaijins like Stan Hansen, Steve Williams and Terry Gordy, all through the 90s, holding the Triple Crown championship for 1799 days over his 5 reigns (that's 26 days short of being half the decade!) and in the process making that known as the most prestigious title in the sport.

As the 90s ends, so too does Misawa's time with AJPW, and he leaves to form the new promotion NOAH, which would go on to be the biggest wrestling company in Japan for the first part of the millennium, due in large part to Misawa himself as the top star. He would go on to have more legendary matches in NOAH - most notably another "GOAT" candidate in the epic singles match with Kenta Kobashi in 2003.

Between forming NOAH, being so heavily responsible for the king's road style, and carrying All Japan through so much of the 90s, I personally think his influence/draw arguments are in the very top tier. His in ring catalogue is thick with blowaway matches, but it could be argued he doesn't have the diversity of many of the other candidates here - neither in match style or opponent. But what he did was amazingly successful, continues to be successful today, and it's hard to think of anybody better at their craft than Misawa was at his.

26.05.1990 - Akira Taue, Kenta Kobashi & Mitsuharu Misawa vs. Jumbo Tsuruta, Masanobu Fuchi & The Great Kabuki
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg8KoSf_fCg

08.06.1990 - Jumbo Tsuruta vs. Mitsuharu Misawa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsMQi6B7WuA

01.09.1990 - Jumbo Tsuruta vs. Mitsuharu Misawa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkIqqTcjmSA

19.10.1990 -
Akira Taue, Jumbo Tsuruta & Masanobu Fuchi vs. Kenta Kobashi, Mitsuharu Misawa & Toshiaki Kawada
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x56cwfj

20.04.1991 -
Akira Taue, Jumbo Tsuruta & Masanobu Fuchi vs. Kenta Kobashi, Mitsuharu Misawa & Toshiaki Kawada
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaO3Y1RXofo

05.06.1992 - Akira Taue & Jumbo Tsuruta vs. Kenta Kobashi & Mitsuharu Misawa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UPdzau_0eQ

21.10.1992 - Mitsuharu Misawa vs. Toshiaki Kawada
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ3-bKWTpCY

01.06.1993 - Akira Taue & Toshiaki Kawada vs. Kenta Kobashi & Mitsuharu Misawa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tie-bsq1HPA

03.12.1993 - Akira Taue & Toshiaki Kawada vs. Kenta Kobashi & Mitsuharu Misawa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW18bPdcH7A

21.05.1994 - Akira Taue & Toshiaki Kawada vs. Kenta Kobashi & Mitsuharu Misawa
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xl3j1s

03.06.1994 - Mitsuharu Misawa vs. Toshiaki Kawada - This is the first match Dave Meltzer rated 6 stars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUVA5qchql0

15.04.1995 - Akira Taue vs. Mitsuharu Misawa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il3kWE0zO4E

09.06.1995 - Akira Taue & Toshiaki Kawada vs. Kenta Kobashi & Mitsuharu Misawa (Widely called the greatest tag match of all time)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2OLvGT5ROU

31.10.1998 - Kenta Kobashi vs. Mitsuharu Misawa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naZNvWwRYiM

11.06.1999- Kenta Kobashi vs. Mitsuharu Misawa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rYpK3EoqWI

01.03.2003 - Kenta Kobashi vs. Mitsuharu Misawa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARcmU_oTO6k

+ Hugely influential
+ Huge draw
+ Has highest peaks of maybe everybody on the list
- Narrow range of opponents
- Basically worked one style ever since unmasking

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did you consider

dragon dragon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lq-s_eQ0iI

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does that mean if we name ones you forgot you'd reconsider

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i'm gonna try to run off another 2 or 3 of those by the end of today - if anyone else is interested in doing a profile for a heavy hitter drop me a message so i don't start working on them

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hell yes i'd love other people doing some of the work here

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+10 Sid Meier's Civilization V
+9 Portal 2
+8 Splatoon
+7 Super Mario Odyssey
+6 The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds
+5 Disco Elysium
+4 Celeste
+3 Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze
+2 Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep
+1 Uncharted 4: A Thief's End


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Eddv posted...

(Which is by the way gonna be the biggest knock on someone else who absolutely deserves mention here, Jerry Lawler.)

I mean, sure, he wasn't a world champion in WWF - which he absolutely could and should have been considering what was going on in that era - but still in 93 and 94 he's one of the most compelling characters on the show and has several of the highlights of the year. I think his WWF run is a bit underrated. Nowhere near as underrated though, as his career as a whole will end up on this list.

Eddv posted...

Bryan is one I don't weigh near as heavy as others

Also I felt this way until writing that post lol

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ok i'm gonna go watch all those now see you all in july

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i hate the shower and you'll never get me to shower daily in a million years

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Bryan Danielson
Joseph Montecillo makes the case for Bryan better than I ever will here, if you have an hour to check it out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZWVPdCYKrU

That said, i'll try anyway. To me the case for Bryan is diversity - indeed, when I was thinking through this list of names I only had one name who paralleled him for diversity - we'll get to that later. In Bryan's case, there's technical classics with Nigel McGuinness to Chris Hero, wild brawls with Takeshi Morishima, shoot style matches with Roderick Strong to Drew Gulak, legendary matches in every size arena from pubs to football stadiums, a legendary match at Mania 30 with HHH as a babyface and then another as a heel at Mania 35 with Kofi. Even in 2020 he's adding feathers to his cap with some great empty arena performances and a WWE MOTY contender with Gulak.

It's a shame that his style led to his career being shortened, especially with it hitting him right at the peak of the business. If Bryan had a world title run in 2014, he'd likely have an even stronger case. The best work of his career for my money is as ROH Champion, as he carried himself as a champion and a serious threat better than Vince McMahon would ever imagine someone his size capable of. But the sacrifices Daniel Bryan made to be great weren't in vain - he's undoubtedly one of the best ever.

Matches (god help me):
American Dragon vs. Christopher Daniels vs. Low Ki - Feb 23 2002 (ROH - The Era of Honor Begins)
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x53qmxl

Bryan Danielson vs. Roderick Strong - May 11 2005 (ROH Vendetta)
https://www.bilibili.com/video/av5070531/

Bryan Danielson vs. Roderick Strong - Mar 31 2006 (Supercard of Honor)
https://www.bilibili.com/video/av22352598/

ROH vs. CZW Cage of Death - Bryan Danielson, Ace Steel, Adam Pearce, BJ Whitmer, Homicide & Samoa Joe vs. Chris Hero, Claudio Castagnoli, Eddie Kingston, Nate Webb & Necro Butcher - Jul 15 2006 (Death Before Dishonor IV)
https://www.bilibili.com/video/av16900410/

Bryan Danielson vs. Nigel McGuinness - Aug 12 2006 (Unified)
https://vimeo.com/243003979

Bryan Danielson vs. KENTA - Sep 16 2006 (Glory by Honor V)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOrl73UPrzY

Bryan Danielson vs. Homicide - Dec 23 2006 (Final Battle 2006)
https://www.bilibili.com/video/av13414922/

Bryan Danielson vs. Takeshi Morishima - Aug 25 2007 (Manhattan Mayhem II)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHy6swAxsYA

Bryan Danielson vs. Zack Sabre Jr. - Mar 2 2008 (Wrestling in Coventry)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DlXy4FIumk

Bryan Danielson vs. Chris Hero - Mar 9 2008 (wXw 16 Carat Gold Night 3 - Final)
https://www.bilibili.com/video/av16462390/

Bryan Danielson vs. Nigel McGuinness - Nov 22 2008 (Rising Above)
https://www.bilibili.com/video/av12210281/

Bryan Danielson vs. Takeshi Morishima - Dec 27 2008 (Final Battle 2008) - Fight Without Honor
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7r7z6u

Bryan Danielson vs. Chris Hero - Sep 4 2009 (PWG Guerre Sans Frontires)
https://www.bilibili.com/video/av12138397/

Bryan Danielson vs. Naruki Doi - Sep 6 2009 (DGUSA Open The Untouchable Gate)
https://www.bilibili.com/video/av7554969/

Bryan Danielson vs. SHINGO - Jul 24 2010 (DGUSA Enter The Dragon 2010)
https://www.bilibili.com/video/av5587101/

Daniel Bryan vs. Chris Jericho - Feb 23 2010 (WWE NXT)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnKwgWVoYhc

Daniel Bryan vs. Sheamus - Apr 29 2012 (WWE Extreme Rules) - 2/3 Falls
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3xq1dc

Daniel Bryan vs. CM Punk - May 20 2012 (WWE Money in the Bank)
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1axcec

Daniel Bryan, Kane & Ryback vs. Dean Ambrose, Roman Reigns & Seth Rollins - Dec 16 2012 (WWE TLC)
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xybxnv

Daniel Bryan vs. John Cena - Aug 18 2013 (WWE Summerslam)
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2aom6x

Daniel Bryan vs. Triple H - Apr 6 2014 (WWE Wrestlemania)
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4brtc1

Daniel Bryan vs. Brock Lesnar - Nov 18 2018 (WWE Survivor Series)
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6xf379

Daniel Bryan vs. Kofi Kingston - Apr 7 2019 (WWE Wrestlemania)
(network.wwe.com I GUESS LOL)

god damn i didn't mean to go that long


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Ric Flair
Let's start with an obvious one - a 40 year career, one of the best in the world for around half of that, on top of the business for close to the same, and never less than a major star afterwards. Ruled the entire decade of the 1980s being maybe the greatest example of the touring world champion staple of the territory days - going to each territory of the NWA, having a great match with the local guy to make the local guy look a star, and moving on. But the late 80s is where you find Flair's most legendary work - the match that made Sting a star, the Steamboat trilogy which is truly work a decade ahead of it's time in North America, and the pair of matches with Terry Funk. The 90s has the all time best Royal Rumble performance, and there's no doubt he remains one of WCW's top performers throughout most of its run upon his return. His final WWF run isn't littered with amazing matches but he never became less than great, and his final match with Shawn Michaels was a fitting end to such an amazing career. A slam dunk

+ Longevity
+ Legendary matches
+ Legendary character and promo
+ Big draw
- You can go some fairly long stretches after 92 without any truly great Flair matches

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So yesterday I put out a call on twitter for who people consider the #1 of all time. My plan is to go through them all today and make a relatively objective case for each for everyone to weigh up. think this whole thing is way more fun if we have some discussion beforehand

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Tom Bombadil posted...

I don't see a problem here! If SHINE throws 24 guys he kinda likes onto his ballot just to get Rock that sweet sweet +25, then all we've really done is coerced him to do a "proper" vote anyway! I guess strat voting could be a thing but if it's expected to be an issue then voting by PM should help a lot.

yeah, i basically ran through this same thought process. it would give you some maybe funky results but eh, who cares?

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Tom Bombadil posted...

Could always just give them the option of not filling every slot. I think I've seen it done before where your lowest is always +1, so if you don't fill out as many slots, your vote isn't weighed as heavily, which kinda makes sense to me.

i had this thought but i wonder if people might pad their ballot a little to be counted more. I think 50 would give us interesting enough results but maybe that would be too much like maniac says. eh.

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Eddv posted...

And a lot of effort considering people like Shine exist

had this thought as well

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be me

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the ncaa format is fun but a lot of work and i'd hate to see that amount of effort for something that would get 7 votes here

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I think we should list more than 20. I don't know if 100 people get multiple votes if we only do 20

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Suprak the Stud posted...

I just finished it and I'm shocked how much better this turned out than I expected. I'm probably going to jump right back into hard mode for a second playthrough which I'm not sure I've ever done with an RPG.

One of my favorite moments, and it is so stupid and minor, is when Aeris gives Cloud the flower at the beginning. When she says "lovers used to give these to each other when they're reunited", I thought it was such a cool, meta moment. I had no idea at the time that there were going to be any sort of timeline shenanigans going on. I'm really torn if I want Aeris to die or not. She sort of needs to, but I loved her character this time around which I definitely did not in the original game.

Jessie, Wedge, and Biggs were also shockingly good characters that I could've cared less about in the original. I loved this whole cast, outside of maybe Red XIII who you just don't really have enough time with. Every character in this game is so much better than the original it is crazy. And the battle system is bonkers fun too.

Right now I feel like this is one of my favorite games all time. But I'll let it sit for a bit and see how I feel in like a week.

echoing all of this post

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same

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i'm in a period of discovery at the minute and as such find it really difficult to provide my opinion on who the best of all time is. gonna be difficult for me to do right now but i'm up for trying

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Johnbobb posted...

If the day is Sunday, I'll assume 8 days away.
If the day is Thursday or earlier, I'll assume <7
If the day is Friday/Saturday, I'll ask to clarify

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Maniac64 posted...

@Steiner It will be easy enough for me to add the voting but I would love help with creating/looking at any additional breakdown.

yeah we'll see what sort of response there is. do you have an idea what sort of a list you want us to submit? i want to start working on mine

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ninkendo posted...

There is also an In Your House tonight

it'll probably be over before I ever wake up

yes sorry i assumed this bit was obvious

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this is appropriate because my 90s wwf viewing of the past couple of months has taken me through most of the in your houses by now

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Maniac64 posted...

Thinking about a simple wreslter ranking topic if people are interested.

One of those everyone submits a ranking then I compile the scores projects.

I'm just curious who everyone would rank as the best wrestlers ever. Maybe if it goes well do a favorites one after and see how the rankings differ.

I'm in and I'd also like to help with stats and whatever

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thanks gravy

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