Board 8 > Spider-Man Homecoming is the second best MCU movie

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I'd rather watch Iron Man 2

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i don't really have a ranking but homecoming was p great

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And yeah, both Spider-Man movies are great. There is a sequence in Far From Home that feels like it is lifted right out of the comics. I don't want to spoil anything because apparently a lot of people in this topic haven't seen it but it's so good.

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Spider-Man is the best superhero so this is no surprise and not even really a hot take

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scarletspeed7 posted...

I don't know if "exciting" is the right word. It's more like that feeling when your insides just fall out of you because you're stunned by a revelation, and you just can't recover, if that makes sense? In a weird way, it's terrifying. Not scary, but terrifying.

Maybe "tense" rather than "exciting" but I'm just saying, like, out of all the times the protagonists have gotten into trouble in the entire MCU, the one that had me on the edge of my seat the most is Spider-Man just sitting in a car with his girlfriend and her dad

That scene is a work of genius

Cybat posted...

There is a sequence in Far From Home that feels like it is lifted right out of the comics. I don't want to spoil anything because apparently a lot of people in this topic haven't seen it but it's so good.

i think i know what scene you're talking about and yeah, that was one of the best scenes in any MCU movie.

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I think there are immediate, intimate stakes there that make us empathize, whereas fighting some asshole like Whiplash just feels like standard superhero fare.

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scarletspeed7 posted...

I don't know if "exciting" is the right word. It's more like that feeling when your insides just fall out of you because you're stunned by a revelation, and you just can't recover, if that makes sense? In a weird way, it's terrifying. Not scary, but terrifying.

Yeah it was a crazy tense moment that stands out as one of MCU's coolest scenes.

my other favorite is paul rudd getting slapped in the face with a nuclear bomb after staring peacefully into nature (btw how the fuck did he survive that)

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Cybat posted...

And yeah, both Spider-Man movies are great. There is a sequence in Far From Home that feels like it is lifted right out of the comics. I don't want to spoil anything because apparently a lot of people in this topic haven't seen it but it's so good.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

yeah but it had the singular best sequence in a marvel film so

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yeah but that's far and away the best part of that film. the rest is mediocre.

I disagree, but opinions be like that.

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Snrkiko posted...

my other favorite is paul rudd getting slapped in the face with a nuclear bomb after staring peacefully into nature (btw how the fuck did he survive that)

Apparently he shrinks right below the blast but it's really hard to spot

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does antman have super fast reaction times tho

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Someone mentioned Logan so Ill soapbox

Logan has the premise of an amazing movie and immediately craps on it to become a super hero movie. I was really excited to watch 90 minutes of wolverine the limo driver and grapple with how far he had fallen.

instead we got another comic book movie but this time there is blood and limbs getting ripped off and stuff.

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skullbone posted...

Apparently he shrinks right below the blast but it's really hard to spot

how would that help?

he'd be able to avoid radiation if he got small enough but just make him get torn apart by the insane heat more easily

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NFUN posted...

how would that help?

he'd be able to avoid radiation if he got small enough but just make him get torn apart by the insane heat more easily

There's actually a science reason for this. The small size causes the explosion to repulse him away instead of get enveloped by it. You see him get blown away instead of get caught in it if you look hard enough.

EDIT: What's a bit more questionable is how Scott was smart enough to think to do it so quickly, but one could argue "Just shrink" has been his natural reaction to avoid stuff multiple times before.

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StealThisSheen posted...

There's actually a science reason for this. The small size causes the explosion to repulse him away instead of get enveloped by it. You see him get blown away instead of get caught in it if you look hard enough.

EDIT: What's a bit more questionable is how Scott was smart enough to think to do it so quickly, but one could argue "Just shrink" has been his natural reaction to avoid stuff multiple times before.

how is it repulsing him? either it's radiation pressure, where's he's getting fried, or it's air pressure, which would be at perhaps a million degrees if he's near ground zero, and if he's small enough to not get immediately killed by radiation the air is gonna be inflicting actual damage to him, especially when super-heated and moving very quickly. extreme brownian motion

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NFUN posted...

how is it repulsing him? either it's radiation pressure, where's he's getting fried, or it's air pressure, which would be at perhaps a million degrees if he's near ground zero, and if he's small enough to not get immediately killed by radiation the air is gonna be inflicting actual damage to him, especially when super-heated and moving very quickly. extreme brownian motion

Because it's a comic book movie and so it takes the physics that apply to things like ants and why they don't die from huge falls and the like and bumps them up to comic book standards for shit like this.

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StealThisSheen posted...

Because it's a comic book movie and so it takes the physics that apply to things like ants and why they don't die from huge falls and the like and bumps them up to comic book standards for shit like this.

so that's the answer that should be agreed upon and not nonsense

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NFUN posted...

so that's the answer that should be agreed upon and not nonsense

You're trying to mix and match too much. The answer for why shrinking saved him, in the Marvel Universe, is because "Being that small caused the force of the blast to repel him away instead of enveloping him/cooking him, and he survived the fall because he's tiny and *explanation for why tiny things survive falls/etc. here*." That's their answer. They decided the physics of the blast work that way. Trying to apply "Well, no, that wouldn't work in real life" is just met with "It's a superhero movie and they decide what the physics are." The reasoning is based on actual science, it's just obviously blown up to ridiculous comic book standards.

EDIT: The point is there is an actual basis for why shrinking saved him.

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StealThisSheen posted...

You're trying to mix and match too much. The answer for why shrinking saved him, in the Marvel Universe, is because "Being that small caused the force of the blast to repel him away instead of enveloping him/cooking him, and he survived the fall because he's tiny and *explanation for why tiny things survive falls/etc. here*." That's their answer. They decided the physics of the blast work that way. Trying to apply "Well, no, that wouldn't work in real life" is just met with "It's a superhero movie and they decide what the physics are." The reasoning is based on actual science, it's just obviously blown up to ridiculous comic book standards.

If those factors are established in Universe, fine. I assume things are like reality unless it's already established they aren't, so if they aren't, they aren't.

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Snrkiko posted...

btw civil war is a movie that was very entertaining at first but falls completely apart the moment you start thinking about the villain's motivations

I loved Civil War at first, then started to agree with this post and like it less, then I watched it again recently and fell in love with it again

NFUN posted...

If those factors are established in Universe, fine. I assume things are like reality unless it's already established they aren't, so if they aren't, they aren't.

To be fair, they're like, space missiles.

Seriously, though, they just went with "Him being small caused him to be repelled instead." You see him basically be thrown back along the edge of the blast:

https://i.imgur.com/vOXROHL.png

Obviously the real life physics can be debated about whether the blast would actually repel him like that or not, but the whole "Something of that size/mass could be repelled and survive it/the fall/whatever" is based on real science and not just something they completely pulled out of their ass. It probably doesn't truly apply to this kind of explosion, but they decided it does, and so there's internal logic behind "Going small saved his life."

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without spoilers, someone answer me this:

does far from home address how peter and half of his class were not in existence for years but are now back in school

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Snrkiko posted...

without spoilers, someone answer me this:

does far from home address how peter and half of his class were not in existence for years but are now back in school

Yes

Snrkiko posted...

without spoilers, someone answer me this:

does far from home address how peter and half of his class were not in existence for years but are now back in school

I'm pretty sure they tackle it like in the first few minutes

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Snrkiko posted...

Yeah it was a crazy tense moment that stands out as one of MCU's coolest scenes.

my other favorite is paul rudd getting slapped in the face with a nuclear bomb after staring peacefully into nature (btw how the fuck did he survive that)

What nuke? It was just a missile volley and he shrinks right before. Like it's comic book physics for sure but it wasn't a nuke or anywhere close to it.

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Snrkiko posted...

btw civil war is a movie that was very entertaining at first but falls completely apart the moment you start thinking about the villain's motivations

Ahhhh yes now the internet begins to understand. This movie is just a goofy as BvS with its shockingly similar plot. Both are good. But everyone turns inside out killing BvS and it's almost literally the same movie as civil war except with an optimistic ending.

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Iron Man 1, Guardians 1, Thor: Ragnarok, Infinity War and End Game are all better films.

There you go, proven wrong.

Snrkiko posted...

prove me wrong

did you state what you thought was the best mcu movie?

Eat Man posted...

Ahhhh yes now the internet begins to understand. This movie is just a goofy as BvS with its shockingly similar plot. Both are good. But everyone turns inside out killing BvS and it's almost literally the same movie as civil war except with an optimistic ending.

Except it's really not.

Also, people don't have to turn themselves inside out killing BvS when the film does it for you.

Eat Man posted...

Ahhhh yes now the internet begins to understand. This movie is just a goofy as BvS with its shockingly similar plot. Both are good. But everyone turns inside out killing BvS and it's almost literally the same movie as civil war except with an optimistic ending.

Kids, this is what happens when you see a Nanis post and your immediate reaction is, hold my beer.

Dont be that guy.


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did civil war have a scene with captain america dreaming about red skull that had absolutely nothing to do with the rest of the movie? maybe then it would be "almost literally the same movie as batman v superman."

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scarletspeed7 posted...

I don't know if "exciting" is the right word. It's more like that feeling when your insides just fall out of you because you're stunned by a revelation, and you just can't recover, if that makes sense? In a weird way, it's terrifying. Not scary, but terrifying.

That twist absolutely got me. A really rare total surprise

Civil War is great

Iron Man was right because it was pragmatic. Play along, amend the documents later (he even said as much), work with them rather than saying fuck you to literally every country on the planet. Cap's way led to them being on the run without their full resources which probably led to greater overall loss of life.

Don't get me wrong the Accords aren't a great idea but actively opposing them when doing so makes you an on-the-run war criminal with your capacity to protect people seriously reduced is not clever. Natasha's take was probably the best. "We've made mistakes, we need to win their trust back, if we have one hand on the wheel we can still steer," etc. I think it gets seen largely as an ideological debate when to me it's just an issue of being pragmatic vs. not.

Also lol comparing it to BvS

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StealThisSheen posted...

To be fair, they're like, space missiles.

Seriously, though, they just went with "Him being small caused him to be repelled instead." You see him basically be thrown back along the edge of the blast:

https://i.imgur.com/vOXROHL.png

Obviously the real life physics can be debated about whether the blast would actually repel him like that or not, but the whole "Something of that size/mass could be repelled and survive it/the fall/whatever" is based on real science and not just something they completely pulled out of their ass. It probably doesn't truly apply to this kind of explosion, but they decided it does, and so there's internal logic behind "Going small saved his life."

I mean...there has to be a reason bugs sometimes survive nuclear blasts, right?

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Ant man science makes Dr. Strange look realistic.

The second ant man movie had me yelling at the screen how inconsistent everything was. A tiny building would still have everything shift around and break. If ant man tiny still has enough force to punch a tiny building would still have the same weight so it couldnt be moved. If you go through objects and cant control it you should fall straight through your bed and not be able to sit on it.

seriously they did not even try. At least other marvel movies use magic or something.

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colliding posted...

if you've seen all the marvel movies and still think black panther is the absolute worst one, you might be a racist

Maybe, but on the other hand the MCU is diverse enough as a franchise (har har) that you'd logically think people can pick and choose their favorites and least favorites.

In practice I'm kind of tempted to agree though, since most serious rankings of the MCU have Black Panther at least in the top half.

Anyway, couldn't get into Homecoming, though I did find Far From Home decent. Iron Man, Black Panther, and The First Avenger are my top three Marvel movies, in that order. I have never seen the entirety of Winter Soldier, but I have seen all four Avengers movies. I saw Thor for the first time a few days ago and thought it was pretty dull, though with a great cast admittedly.

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XIII_rocks posted...

That twist absolutely got me. A really rare total surprise

Civil War is great

Iron Man was right because it was pragmatic. Play along, amend the documents later (he even said as much), work with them rather than saying fuck you to literally every country on the planet. Cap's way led to them being on the run without their full resources which probably led to greater overall loss of life.

Don't get me wrong the Accords aren't a great idea but actively opposing them when doing so makes you an on-the-run war criminal with your capacity to protect people seriously reduced is not clever. Natasha's take was probably the best. "We've made mistakes, we need to win their trust back, if we have one hand on the wheel we can still steer," etc. I think it gets seen largely as an ideological debate when to me it's just an issue of being pragmatic vs. not.

Also lol comparing it to BvS

Ahh, so gooood.

And here's the thing. Tony's pragmatism towards the Accords is probably the right choice. We understand why he's for it through previous movies; how Iron Man 3 showed how affected he was by the Battle of New York and the dangerous hubris he was displaying resulting in his home getting targetted and most of his stuff destroyed. How much that Scarlet Witch illusion did a number on him that he was rightly paranoid of the coming threat, but ended up making Ultron and destroying Sokovia. In Civil War, he has witnessed the mistakes he's made. He's still Tony, but he's much more risk averse and trying to look out for everyone (by keeping himself in check). He's not the same Tony from the first two Iron Men: the first a rich weapons dealer who gets a huge wake up call when he's nearly killed by his own arsenal that was sold to the enemy and takes matters to take control and fix his mistakes, and the second he's all ego, the rock star superhero who doesn't want to answer to anyone.

Tony matured over the films and in Civil War, he's lost confidence in himself, and is full of regrets. He's using briliantly made tech by an employee to deal with father issues, he's reminded hard by a woman of the lives lost in Sokovia (again, his doing), and Scarlet Witch (who whammied him and also helped his robot child) accidentally wasn't able to fully contain someone's suicide bomb. Not her fault, she tried her hardest, but Tony gonna Tony and fix problems the wrong way.

So just in terms of that meeting with Cap, we can understand Tony's change of attitude (Iron Man 2 he'd toss it in the trash without a glance) and relate to his appeal to Cap. And Cap was pretty much ready to sign.

But Tony also... whether it's guilt or his own misgivings about the accords or otherwise, he brings up before Cap signs about Scarlet Witch's house arrest. Again, Tony Tonying by locking up problems instead of dealing with them. And this sets Cap off. Cap, combined with being there to witness what actually happened knowing it wasn't her fault (and blaming himself for not seeing the bomb in time), a mind focused elsewhere on the existence of Bucky, the recent death of the love of his life Peggy, and reading through the accord carefully white Falcon and War Machine debate like shoulder angel and demon over his shoulders... not to mention coming off of Winter Soldier where HYDRA was deeeeeply embedded in SHIELD, so he's got some trust issues at the moment.

I can go on, but I really should be doing work right now, lol

And all this talk just about the accord signing scene! I love Civil War.

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Yeah I have real problems with Civil War, such as Zemo's plan and the contrivance of Ant-Man and Spider-Man being involved. The difference between that and something like BvS is that they were at least very, very entertaining appearances. Black Panther was really well-incorporated into the plot, no issue there.

But the scene where they debate the accords, the Tony/Cap scene with the pens, the airport battle itself and the entire last 20 minutes are some of the BEST fucking MCU content. Firing on all cylinders. It's really really good, a rare example of the "cooldown" talking scenes in a movie like that being as entertaining as any of the action. It might sound like a bit of a sacrilegious/weird comparison but to me the two main argument scenes are as good as that Jurassic Park lunch debate scene.

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Civil War is a top 5 MCU movie

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Snrkiko posted...

MY PLAN WAS TO REVIVE SOME CRAZY RUSSIAN SUPER SOLDIERS TO GRIEF A TEAM OF SUPERHEROES THAT ONLY JUST RECENTLY CAME INTO EXISTENCE IN ORDER TO MAKE YOU COME TO THIS REMOTE BUNKER TO WATCH A VIDEO OF YOUR DAD BEING KIND OF A DICK or something I've tried to repress how dumb the underlying premise for the dispute was

Dick move getting horribly murdered, Howard!

(Also they just thought he was trying to revive them. He wanted to murder them before anyone else could find them and wake them up.)

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kevwaffles posted...

Dick move getting horribly murdered, Howard!

(Also they just thought he was trying to revive them. He wanted to murder them before anyone else could find them and wake them up.)

my recollection of details is spotty because in the end it was all contrivance

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the airport fight in civil war feels tonally distinct from the rest of the film. It's good, but it feels like a completely different movie.

How else do you guarantee you can get Captain America, Winter Soldier, and Iron-Man in the same room to watch the video?

Send Tony Stark an email?

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its gotta be a meeting invite, preferably at a time inconvenient to all parties

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Snrkiko posted...

my recollection of details is spotty because in the end it was all contrivance

Sounds more like you didn't understand the movie

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CoolCly posted...

Sounds more like you didn't understand the movie

where is this coming from lol

the plot isn't hard to follow it's just incredibly stupid on its most basic premise. i watched it years ago at this point so forgive me for not remembering every single detail for a movie i thought was ultimately "meh"

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You guys should wait and save your rankings. I believe XIII Rocks mentioned he was going to host a Marvel Universe ranking topic soon?


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