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This whole debate started over the shaman.

Yes, he didn't physically attack anybody directly, that we know of.

But the guy was with the group that clearly had violent intentions. And he was carrying a spear. And was photographed menacing somebody with said spear. And left a death threat on Pence's desk.

Was he one of the worst? No. But "non-violent" isn't exactly what I'd use to describe him. "Idiot," yes.

The people that stayed outside? Non-violent. The people that wandered in after the breach and didn't do anything? Non-violent.

But if you were part of that breach, you were violent. It's not just "a few."

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Id moved on! Sep brought it up again.

I replied to a post you'd made not even an hour earlier.

EDIT: Oh you mean in this topic. It was relevant! You could have just ignored my post instead of continuing to double down on a super bad opinion. I didn't even name names!

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

No I didnt compare it to BLM protests, I compared it to riots.

Okay, right, but you kept referring to it as a protest that got out of control, comparing it to a BLM protest that turns into a riot. I don't think one should need to explain why that's a bad comparison.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

This is called a disagreement.

You're heavily downplaying it and compared it to BLM protests.

We're a bit beyond disagreement.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

lol come on, it was like literally 2 guys.

What

Atleast a dozen firearms were seized, many forms of rope/ties/etc., several tasers/stun guns, chemical sprays, molotov cocktails, etc.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

If the rioters had guns, took hostages, and werent led around the Capitol for a time by the cops, maybe Id see it differently.

This part in particular confuses me, since there were many people that very clearly intended to take hostages, with tasers and stun guns and rope and ties and so on. If they succeed, it's an insurrection, but if they fail, it's a protest?

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So, like I said, we have otherwise leftists in this very topic series downplaying and whitewashing it, for some reason.

This whole thing is insane.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

I dont know what otherwise leftists is supposed to imply here because its not relevant. I am a leftist, and we have a disagreement about the severity of crime a bunch of chuckleheads committed.

I said "otherwise leftists" because denying that 1/6 was an insurrection and instead calling it a protest that went wrong is a very odd, very uncommon to the left stance despite you otherwise being very left on most things.

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xp1337 posted...

The continued fact that there is an active attempt by one of the major political parties to whitewash the insurrection and ensure no accountability or consequences are felt by those in power who incited and abetted the insurrection - and are succeeding so far - just make 1/6 feel disturbingly similar to the Beer Hall Putsch.

I mean, we had attempts to downplay and whitewash it by people in these very topics that are otherwise leftists, for some reason.

This whole thing is insane.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Yeah my first license said I was 6 and Im 59 lol.

Well, we know it can't possibly be wrong, so the only possible solution is that you're both 5'9" AND 6'0"!

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Anagram posted...

It didnt seem plausible, given none of them can access it!

It didn't seem plausible that rich oil tycoon Mr. Daniels murdered the actress, given he was supposedly on his yacht at the time, either!

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Anagram posted...

No one has asked the other tenants.

"We have a mystery here. Somebody did something. Oh, but we didn't ask like half of the people that could have done it if they did it."

Columbo, you are not.

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There's gotta be a Shuma-Gorath.

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Fire and water Simi are bad, but the grass one is awesome with his pompadour.

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Oh wait are we talking about the fire monkey from the trio or Darmanitan

Because Darmanitan is great

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Brayze_II posted...

I'm not generally a fan of monkeys at the best of times, but the burning ape from gen 5 was so, so terrible. Terrible and best left forgotten! Let us all ignore this monkey.

Whaaaaat

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Xeybozn posted...

Sure, but Kamala Harris only had power on paper. I'd say Edith Wilson having actual presidential power is much more impressive.

If it's not on paper, did it really happen? How do I know she wasn't just cosplaying as president and nobody stopped her?

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Real talk, I forgot Shaman had a spear and was photographed menacing somebody with it, and left a death threat on Pence's desk, which added to the charges against him. He actually got the minimum for what he was charged with, so I'm less inclined to think he got too much time, now.

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At this point I'm just waiting for somebody to go "Who's Deepspraw?" and suddenly all of their posts are gone and we find out it's just a figment of our imagination.

Then some old Santa Claus looking guy shows up and is like "Deepspraw was the type of crazy you most desired in each and every one of your hearts all along."

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Fair enough.

I've seen him on the politics board take hardline anti-LGBTQ stances, so I just assumed

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I thought Deepspraw was one of our known conservatrolls and thus the implication was of course he agreed with the mostly conservative viewpoint of "nothing happened it was just a protest."

Am I wrong? Do I have him confused with somebody else?

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Jakyl25 posted...

Most people like the Shaman were just tools of the actual coup attempt sure but there was an actual coup attempt.

This is what I was getting at that either wasn't clear or Tony just misunderstood

The reason I disagree on the framing of the events (that it was just a protest gone wrong) AND agree that the sentencing of the Shaman was too much is because there WAS a coup attempt, there WERE people that intended to break in and commit violent acts, and that much was clear. I disagree with "it was a protest" because of that. When it comes to the Shaman, he DID choose to go along with the violent people breaching the capitol, but whether he was part of the coup/what his actual intentions were is questionable at best, because he wasn't armed and didn't actually attack anybody. This is why I say he's guilty, as he didn't stay outside and chose to take part in the actual breach, but he's not "41 months guilty" because there's no proof he was actually a part of the coup attempt itself. I put him above "idiot along for the ride" level because he didn't just meander in after, he was right there with the people that clearly were intending violence, but he clearly didn't come prepared like they did, so it's plausible he just got swept up in it. He's worse than the people that stayed outside or just walked in after and didn't do anything, but he's not as bad as the people that actually planned (poorly) for a coup.

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So the same parents groups fighting against CRT now want mental health and suicide prevention programs taken out of schools as well, because they insist they are just a "trojan horse" way of teaching CRT.

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I'm thinking of starting this, give me the hot tips thanks

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red13n posted...

Maybe some states do it different and they attach to it to the plea, but to my knowledge you dont "plead self-defense" to start. You plead not guilty and then show it was self-defense. Rittenhouse has followed this at least.

Most states attach it to the plea, similar to pleading insanity and so on. I'm not sure if most states actually make it like, the official wording (like "not guilty by reason of insanity/self-defense/etc."), it's possible it's just listed as "not guilty," but it's part of the plea. It's part of the plea so that the prosecution can prepare their case accordingly and so the defense can present evidence accordingly. It's the difference between an affirmative defense and a standard defense.

EDIT: The point is, whether it's officially listed as part of the plea or not, an affirmative defense must be plead prior to the case starting, hence why it's the "first move."

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red13n posted...

I think you are almost there but wording it really poorly. Mainly because in our courts the defense goes second. It isn't really a "Prosecution disprove the defense" setup. The prosecution presents first and then it is the defenses job to cast doubt on their case.

The defense "goes first" in that they plead self-defense, which is what the prosecution then has to disprove with their case. The whole point is the defense doesn't have to prove their plea, they just make said plea and it's up to the prosecution to prove why it's not self-defense. The defense does not have to prove it is.

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red13n posted...

wait what. Our courts don't work this way.

Its the defenses job to show that what the prosecution has isn't proof.

That's part of it, but within the bigger scope of the prosecution has to prove their case, not the defense. If the defense is claiming self-defense, it's not on them to prove it. It's on the prosecution to prove it wasn't self-defense. Obviously the defense works to discredit/show why the prosecution's case is wrong, but that's still in the scope of the prosecution having to prove their case, not the other way around.

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banananor posted...

This is neither bizarre nor a mysterious trick, this is how self-defense works

You're admitting to murder, but arguing that it was justified. You can imagine infinity examples as to why this is necessary

No, that's not how it works. When you plead self-defense, it's still the prosecution's job to prove why the claim doesn't work. They have to prove, without any doubt, that the use of force was not necessary/justified. In this case, they're making the defendant try to prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that there's no way it wasn't justified. That is not how it's supposed to be. It's the prosecution's job to prove the defense wrong.

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Something something handouts something something cultivating dependence something something big government

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Tulsi went on Hannity to complain about the BBB plan being too progressive

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40% seems very high. I'm a casual player and I didn't know about the glitch until I read about it in this topic just now. I'd say it's probably closer to <10% than 40%, because I'd guess a vast majority of players don't frequent forums about it.

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lol BT having his nightly melty

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Nanis23 posted...

This. This is the sad truth. They are going for $60 not because this is what they worth, but because this is what people will pay.

The worst thing about this is the fact that both versions are the exact same game with a single byte difference
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2021/11/looks-like-pokemon-brilliant-diamond-and-shining-pearl-are-the-exact-same-rom
So if you bought the double pack you actually paid twice for the same exact game, just with a single byte difference. Making it probably the most expensive byte in the history of home consoles video games history

I know the difference between versions was always minimal but this time it actually feels worse

This is literally the way it's always been, they've just been doing it less efficiently.

The games have always been the same, they just made two separate builds/releases, one with an A flag, and one with a B flag.

This is just more efficient. One build/release with a C flag that has an "If A, then A, else if B, then B" statement in it.

People were for some reason under the impression that they made the same game from the ground up twice, which has never been true.

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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

I can sympathize being frustrated with braindead fast food employees, but there's no need for assault

It doesn't even sound like a braindead employee. The woman was offered a refund and a replacement, what more are they supposed to do?

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Okay so yeah they did patch in the music and it kinda slaps

https://vocaroo.com/1jPlLVbVahX0

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Nanis23 posted...

Yes I agree it isn't acceptable and it's in poor taste
But I don't feel like the message was "I will kill Kamala Harris" or "we should kill Kamala Harris"
It was just...dumb
They probably didn't think this through. At all

So are you defending this because you just desperately need attention this badly, or what. What's the motivation, here

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

I'm honestly just a little shocked

Were you really, though

It's a Nintendo game from one of their bigger series. Of course it was going to be $60.

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NFUN posted...

don't forget the soundtrack is hilariously bad and as far as i can tell it's not even close to romhack tier in terms of any feature aside from graphics

Datamines and leaks actually showed the music was placeholder, and the actual music is rather good. They also revealed There's stuff like gym leader/E4 rematches with Platinum teams and teams that are 6 pokemon, fully EV trained, with actual good movesets, and a pretty neat way to get old legendaries, among some other small things. Nothing huge, but more than expected.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

I'm honestly really not trying to start anything

UshiromiyaEva posted...

Do people actually think this is justified?

So how bored are you


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Who is actually frothing at the mouth?

Do you have to keep building up these non-existent boogey men just so you have a "left" to be enraged at 24/7?

EDIT: Like, I'm pretty sure the only time I actually saw a big deal made out of it was when somebody working at a theme park kept making the sign when taking pictures with minority kids, and that person ended up fired, which, hey... If you're into getting fired to "own the libs," well...

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Most bad DC is more engaging than Thor 2, come on.

Yeah, I don't agree with this in the slightest, so we'll have to agree to disagree. Most bad DC is so bad I never want to watch it again. Thor 2 ain't that.

There are a million things to meme on, I'd rather not waste two hours of watching crap just to meme.

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I'd agree with the thought that there are no "bad" ones. There are meh/disappointing ones, but when you have actual bad movies to compare them to, like the majority of DC movies, they're not so bad.

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Sorozone posted...

This is what bugs me. Why go the immunization route. If he straight up said he was allergic and was viewing his options at that point it ends the story.

Instead he shifts the blame to woke mob mentality, which also doesnt make sense.

You arent going to be villianized for being allergic to it. Well you could be, by assholes, but he probably deals with assholes all the time anyway, its social media.

This is basically why I don't buy that he's actually allergic in the slightest. That's something you could just be honest about. He felt the need to lie and mislead, so it doesn't add up.

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https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1456025843281633283

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A lot of the people there were wearing "Trump/Kennedy 2020" shirts, so apparently JFK Jr. can time travel, as well.

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See, BT proves most of them don't actually know what CRT is and just create whatever racist boogeyman they can in their head for it.

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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

I can guarantee you that I make more than at least 90% of the people on this board

So then "no."

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Underleveled posted...

That out of the way, I'll probably give in and get it at some point because I did the same with Top 100.

This is a million times better than Top 100, for what it's worth.

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Yeah, I'd much rather look at a general consensus of "Do people generally enjoy this movie or not" over numbers that don't mean anything to anybody beyond the ones that assigned them.

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MZero posted...

can you really sue for being kicked out a volunteer program

I would understand if it was employment but

Absolutely, because it's still considered being "terminated."

People have successfully won lawsuits to get their children reinstated on to school sports teams before, or just plain won settlements for them being kicked off in the first place.

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