Lurker > HaRRicH

Does Darth Vader count? Technically before he was in a movie, he was in a screenplay.

Darth Vader
Godzilla
Jason Voorhees
Wicked Witch of the West/Elphaba

Great noms with Dr. Evil and the Jaws that swims.

Next up: coding and programming, alright. I don't think my old HTML skills apply perfectly with this Python-variant, but most of it makes sense early on. I'll need to remember these words:

var
func
String
bool

Operators, I think...?

Decided to check out a lesson or two on the making-an-RPG course early too, just to see what I catch -- very presentation'y day. I'm not ready for all of this one and it's stated early on. This teacher had a gameplan about this course's resources: have some pre-made ones on stand-by before making this video and new game (I think Godot's open-source assets?).

Dunno that everyone has to do it like this, but so far this RPG-course looks like it's going in the order of PROJECT/GAME --> NODE/SCENE --> RESOURCES/ASSETS --> CONTROLLER --> PLAYER --> ??? --> PROFIT. That helps me frame in my head a bit more about structuring what's ahead to get to what I think a game should look and play like.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/5d0faecf.jpg

This issue was the first time I saw Yoshi's Island anything, and they put it as their #7 game. Surprised me at that time.

https://kirk.is/vgames/powerlist/egm100.html

Their top one hundred games of all time, which came two months before the greatest year of gaming began. Neat throwback.

The Humble Bundle intro videos are getting more into the 3D side of things now...I'm gonna watch the whole tutorial, but I'm more interested in the 2D genres. I'll keep tinkering aside from these videos, but it's easy to get stuck. I haven't seen how to make a game from its earliest nodes much, and don't know much about the transition from there to working on Godot's next steps. Fumbling in the meanwhile...!

Latest take-aways: resources are assets like textures, I see a lot of file management ahead, and there are indeed some one-button shortcuts. Nice.

Comparing the demo to my new file: I don't understand why I can't add an Exploration node to a new game like the JRPG Demo seems to be doing. One guess is the demo renamed the node for that file...but I don't know what the original node for that gameplay-type should be then, and that also seems confusing to do unannounced for the purpose of a demo. I'll cave in and Google it soon.

YoBlazer posted...

Pretty sure I saw EGM as a dream job back in the 90s.

Honestly, same.

We have wild technology.

EGM > Tips & Tricks > Game Informer for magazines covering all consoles (shout-outs to Nintendo Power)

Things I remember about EGM:

Their preview for Perfect Dark might be the magazine article I most re-read.

War Gods was a real bad game, but goddamn they had a hot woman as Vallah in a two-page poster for it from when they covered the game.

Tekken 3 getting the first 10/10 in years with them felt like a big moment in the industry. Maybe that was just a kid's perspective though.

Their April Fools-pranks landed hard sometimes. Sheng Long in Street Fighter, All Bonds in Goldeneye, Sonic in Melee...some of this speaks to how gullible we were before the internet was prepared enough for such fact-checking, but also some of that spoke to how much EGM was trusted.

They had a reviewer named Shoe, and I thought they had another reviewer who was referred to as a ninja but it's hard to remember.

ONCE UPON A TIME one of my emails to them was included in the letters to the editor. I have no idea what I said to them anymore but I think it was a positive letter.

EGM was fantastic for a long time. There was a period in the 2003'ish(?) era were they were re-reviewibg and dissing some great games the previously reviewed real well -- think this included lowering of opinions on Banjo-Kazooie and Perfect Dark -- and I found that indicative of their lowering of quality in recent times at that time, so I dropped them...but for a long time, they were the best game magazine.

Quick note as I explore JRPG Demo: I did not see Player or Opponent in the node-section as expected, nor did I see any nodes with the silhouette of a person as its little icon like a tutorial video I have on in the background would indicate...

...until I take a break from typing this to bring back up Godot, and then here it is (no silhouete-icon included).

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/5c123662.png

I don't understand why this just appears for me yet, but okay. I turned the enemy blue slime into something twice its size on the world map and then also made its sprite appear upside-down. Also, I noticed a glitch! Or at least what I'm calling a glitch for the moment. My current sprite for Player only stays and appears that way if I don't bump into a wall...but if I do, it will go to its shocked sprite and then revert to the original slime-sprite it was again. Interesting.

I hid most of the grass/flowers/pebbles with the eyeball-icon. That feels like Photoshop. It does appear based off this demo though that the flowers and grass in the non-walkable areas are stored elsewhere than the folder I first did this in for the walkable areas...probably just a personal choice of organization there.

Moved some bushes, whatever. Switching from Select Mode to Move Mode feels a little slow and clunky but I'm also still very new.

Also, zooming in and out with the middle mouse button makes sense, but I am not used to holding it to drag things around like my general view-point. I'll get used to it.....

Aaaaaaaand now my scene menu's changed back to how it first was again:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/a/a5e53b1e.png

Think this happened from when I clicked the script-logo beside one of the nodes. Good news though is that I now see what my disconnect was here: these are two different scenes I'm dealing with, a Game node scene and an Exploration node scene. Tricky!

Saving this deconstruction for later. Going back to the Humble Bumble overall training for awhile.

Zylothewolf posted...

Yes, a game that did not reach the marketplace

I guess finishing a RPGmaker game counts?

I would say yes. Bam, good job.

I'm all for seeing Donald lose. Also though, with both candidates having insane name recognition and Donald beating Hillary despite lower spending in 2016, I am cautious about cheering much at this yet. I also don't know how to coincide this information with reports earlier this campaign about how much more professionally Donald's campaigning now than how his 2016-campaign went. Did that change? Or am I conflating old news or different aspects here? Just happy about that news but worried about its potential lack of impact at the moment.

foolm0r0n posted...

wut that's weird. Oh it's probably to fight against spam

Try this: MasterDonLD54

Also there's a discord with a ton of noobs and vets if you're interested https://discord.com/invite/HMPSGnx7

I'm in on both counts, thanks!

foolm0r0n posted...

Can you inspect the demo scene and see what nodes they use for each object?

I'll check this out later, but yeah I figure after fumbling through blind yesterday that reverse-engineering between projects or just Googling would be the next direction to go for resolving this basic hurdle.

foolm0r0n posted...

Ludum Dare jam this weekend. Jump right in, no experience required. It will boost the chance of you succeeding at your bigger game project by 10-100x
https://ldjam.com/

I'm interested, but it says I need an invite code...didn't see one on Twitter or reddit. Do you have one I could enter with?

Did a few slides/videos from the Humble Bundle intro course. Nothing bad so far, even though looking at Godot continues to look initially overwhelming. Main takeaway so far: scenes are collections of nodes and nodes are like atoms.

So, here's the JRPG Demo that came with Godot. I played it. It's very simple.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/080b6d24.jpg
(there's supposed to be a key in the middle like the gameplay has -- basically here's a blue slime I can fight and a key that I can't pick up with some light dialogue and a battle screen)

I changed the Player node (yellow slime) in a few little ways like position on the map and the image, but they took a long time to figure out because this interface immediately felt like a lot when I first saw it and that has not changed yet. Not much was successfully done here, but I'm allowing myself time to be stuck and explore. Going forward, I will be deconstructing this demo through its other existing nodes later on. With any luck, I will one day not recognize it.

I began a new file so I can explore both sides of working on scenes, but am stuck pretty early. I have Node2D, Camera2D, TileMap, and Timer at the moment. I figure this keeps my viewpoint and genre locked down until I change them later. My next search is for Player like I saw in the JRPG Demo, but I don't see that node yet.

Ah well. I'm exploring both sides of scenes here. I will find that node soon enough.

Right off the bat: if you have the Godot Humble Bundle but haven't redeemed it yet, its "redemption deadline is April 17, 2024 at 7:00:00 PM PDT. You have 8 days left!"

Well I guess I'm just in time.

ZenOfThunder posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/pc/709438-misplaced-max

a game written by ZenOfThunder, now basically lost media

You have near-complete board domination there. Nice.

Grimlyn posted...

all the shit going on with Unity tho definitely pushed me to Godot even tho my use-case is totally irrelevant lmao, but it's been cool to learn!

That's how I first heard of Godot.

Grimlyn posted...

I've done a bunch of tutorials on it and have been using it the last while for making my own interactable stream overlay instead of a game per say

definitely feels doable! I think the bundle you mentioned has some definite parts that'll fit the bill for some scenes

Oooh sounds flexible! But also I dunno if that's possible with other engines too or not.

Raka_Putra posted...

Funnily enough, I'm taking a theatre writing class right now haha. It's been a blast so far since I've dabbled in writing (but never really script writing) but never took a course before.

First time for everything! Love playwriting.

xenosaga posted...

Aww yeah, Chester was a technically-made money title.

Aw yeah!!!

Uglyface2 posted...

Good on you for putting in the effort to learn. It's a step many choose not to take.

I have plenty of time to mess this up...! Figure this is a way to try harder at least.

XIII_Rocks posted...

How long have you been waiting for that

For the idea I shared? Less than a week. I'm not going into this with any ideas that are too precious and am just deciding on the genre because Godot has a project/demo for RPGs.

Mount Rushmore (home field advantage)
Empire State Building (should be the Statue of Liberty really, but I'm not giving NYC two of these so Imma play favorites here)

Gonna think more on the other two.

That's cool too! I come from more of a theatre and writing background, excited to see where those skills align and where they crash hard.

Raka_Putra posted...

Do you have a game idea in mind?

In a sentence: protagonist misunderstands what a rap battle is supposed to be.

I have other ideas that are too big for me right now and maybe forever, but this feels like enough as-is to make happen within my scope.

I've seen it argued they are different when discussing nuances, but really I do not know the differences between them.

Dudunsparce posted...

Nominate fighting games

time for max chaos between different versions

Leonhart4 posted...

Yeah let's do fighting games so we can argue over whether Smash is a fighting game

Won't have to fight about it when SF2 divides and conquers itself out of the equation. =)

Also nominating fighting games...and also, just a broad nomination of doing a week of games based off of genres instead of systems like we're wrapping up here.

Fighters
Platformers (2D? 3D? Both??)
RPGs
Metroidvanias
Indies
Rougelites
Point And Clicks

Just as an example -- interests may vary.

I would be comfortable combining the different SF2-games on the SNES and just going by the name that had the most votes among them, personally.

Nominate: highly-acclaimed games that do not hold up well anymore

HaRRicH posted...

Super Mario World (lock)
Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past (lock)
Super Mario Kart (coulda been DKC, SM, or MMX...but this mighta been the coolest multiplayer had ever been on consoles up to that point)
Chrono Trigger (coulda been FF3/6 or SMRPG...but there should be an RPG, and CT feels the most timeless)

Shout-outs to Super Mario All-Stars.

Remove: Chrono Trigger
Add: Donkey Kong Country

I see arguments for MMX and SM that I've made for MM2 and C:SotN, right, and MMX/SM are both great games that I much prefer to any in the DKC-series. That said, DKC's trilogy was bigger than MMX's and I didn't see SM at the front of my Walmart's video game aisle. Hate to have it all be Nintendo for this system's Rushmore, but here we are.

ctesjbuvf posted...

I get thinking SNES should have an RPG here but not a single RPG mentioned in the topic is actually playable on my SNES. I think having no PAL release is a pretty large con and since the SNES has a top tier library even without RPGs, I think that's better.

On one hand, 'murica...but upon further thought, that's a persuasive point about lacking European releases. Have we had another game with this issue in this topic series? Not sure that we have this past week at a glance.

Nominate: games associated with emulation.

Super Mario World (lock)
Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past (lock)
Super Mario Kart (coulda been DKC, SM, or MMX...but this mighta been the coolest multiplayer had ever been on consoles up to that point)
Chrono Trigger (coulda been FF3/6 or SMRPG...but there should be an RPG, and CT feels the most timeless)

Shout-outs to Super Mario All-Stars.

I would concede Tomb Raider has improved since the PS1 days from what I've gathered and dabbled in. I just did not care for the series when they were in the peak of its mainstream zeitgeist.

Also, just to make sure it gets mentioned: Oddworld deserves a quick nod. Not placing it in my vote, but that was a very PS1-game that also had some degree of face-of-the-system to it.

Talking about magazines and Tekken 3, it was a big deal when EGM gave Tekken 3 a 10/10.

I know C:SotN seems like a favorites-pick (which is partially true in my vote), but for what it's worth: it was a critical darling in video game magazines at the time in a way I don't think many of the other non-FF7/MGS/RE options being mentioned were (Tekken 3 was an exception to be fair and maybe Gran Turismo), it redefined what was already one of gaming's biggest series at that time and did so without taking the 3D turn in an era where people were afraid we were losing 2D games, it has its own notable spoiler, and it's now responsible for half the name of a popular genre. Also, as a personal opinion, while I first played it a decade late on Xbox 360 it was immediately excellent then...whereas I did not feel that way about any Crash, Spyro, or Tomb Raider game even at the time of their releases. They get mascot-credit -- which is worthy of noting here! -- but while they were good for marketing the PS1 none of them were as decisively THE PlayStation mascot as Mario or Sonic were for their systems, so I give them less credit on that point. Cloud and Solid Snake were arguably the face of that system too, and that's because Lara/Crash/Spyro didn't fill the gap a good game mascot needed to do then: have an *excellent* game.

Bias is here, but so is its clear impact. C:SotN is worthy of the conversation and vote. Maybe TR/Crash/Spyro deserve credit for being the games I played during that era, but C:SotN was received very well then too and was so good a decade later on a different system that I won't hold it against the game here.

HaRRicH posted...

Final Fantasy 7
Metal Gear Solid
Resident Evil 2
Castlevania: Symphony of the Night

Shout-outs to the demo-discs.

Remove: RE2
Add: RE1

This Tony Hawk-talk inspired me for another nomination.

Nominate: sports games.

Final Fantasy 7
Metal Gear Solid
Resident Evil 2
Castlevania: Symphony of the Night

Shout-outs to the demo-discs.

MarkS2222222222 posted...

WWF: No Mercy

Change my vote please!

Remove: SSB
Add: WWF No Mercy

Nominate: SNL cast members

Super Mario 64 (non-negotiable)
Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (non-negotiable)
Goldeneye 007 (Perfect Dark was better and this doesn't hold up so well anymore but it's still non-negotiable)
...
Super Smash Bros. (also acceptable: MK64, BK, SF64, or -- obviously of course -- Beetle Adventure Racing, Mischief Makers, or Bomberman 64)

ZenOfThunder posted...

Conker

making sure he doesnt get shut out

Not my vote but thank you.

Sonic & Knuckles

Respect to that cartridge.

Nominate: video game designers.

Grand Theft Auto 3 (preferred GTA:SA but will respect the original 3D game-changer in the series)
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (my tiebreaker here was which MGS-game would look better on the mountain)
God of War
Silent Hill 2 (this system has SH2 and RE4 but both have so few votes here -- not sure I understand what dynamic's happening here but the genre arguably peaked this generation)

BSkullX posted...

Mega Man 4

Respect.

Also loving all the Contra support.

SMB1 (can't replace, though I almost tried with Duck Hunt)
SMB3 (the second-oldest "greatest game ever" contender I would still respect in a conversation and only behind...)
MM2 (...trickiest choice here, but this was the first game I was ever hyped for and the series had six mainline gameson the same system)
LoZ (#goldcartridge)

SBAllen was right about S3&K. We should have consolidated efforts into S&K -- people would have thought of its connectivity anyway.

The MK talk leads me to nominate.

Nominate: games in arcades.

...Mighty Max was a show?

I just had those awesome toys.

Agreed. Sonic 1 gets "started the series" cred but is really rough while Sonic 2 is where it rightfully blew up. It's like OG Mega Man in that way.

Sonic 2
Sonic 3
Sonic & Knuckles
Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine

I just want to respect for a moment: for the first time, ChatGPT sniped a good nomination that none of us mentioned. Judy Hopps isn't making my Rushmore personally but she was great.

And I appreciate everyone's self-reporting on their level of got'ness.

KokoroAkechi posted...

Aren't you banned?

We'll see if they have the same staff or the same rules next time since both seem to change each year. This is correct about them being haters last year though.