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| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/30/18 1:45:22 AM #135 | NINTENDO CHARACTERS NOT IN SMASH WHO HAVE SEEN A CONTEST: Nintendo: Bidoof Magikarp Missingno Nidoran F Pokemon Trainer Blue Im taking Sheik over every one of them, just saying. Sheik has this! --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/30/18 1:27:08 AM #134 | Hbthebattle posted... If Sheik is declared ineligible, who is your backup? AKI Man. --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/30/18 1:22:36 AM #133 | You're right. Oops, scratch from the record please. (can you tell this research got to piling up on me?) --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/30/18 1:08:45 AM #130 | Dangit, I think I took a mental short-cut from my point that Sheik's the only one to be in every Smash game since Melee not to make it in. Sheik as well as Dr. Mario, Pichu, and Roy should count on that to become 22/26. If you want to count Popo too, make that 21.5/26. And I was referencing Wii Fit Trainer. Thank you for the follow-up fact-checking! --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/30/18 12:10:56 AM #128 | MORE ABOUT THOSE SMASH-CHARACTERS WHO GOT IN BEFORE SHEIK: So lets get more specific about our previous Smash-entrants listed above. Sheik was beaten to GameFAQs matches by the following individual NPCs perceived to be jokes that were seen in some capacity from the series: *Paddle, which has been in a bonus match. *? Block, which has been a proper entrant in one contest and beat a former contest champion in another contest's bonus poll. *Sandbag, which has been in two contests and advanced to the second round before. *Mudkip, which has been in two contests and advanced to the second round twice. *Master Hand, which has been seen in two contests and won two matches. *Tingle, who has been in three contests. *Waluigi, who has been in three contests and advanced to the second round before. *A wonderful horse unfairly considered to be a joke, which won a match and was LFF'd out of its chance to horseshoe-kick many others. How about playable characters though? Here are some stats of playable Smash-characters we saw in a match before Sheik ever entered a contest. 1/2 of the Ice Climbers 1 Wii Fit character 2 Kid Icarus characters 3 variations of Link 4 Fire Emblem characters 6 Pokemon and 1 trainer 10 third party characters (and at least one more upcoming) All 12 original Smash characters 25 out of 26 Melee characters 32 out of 37 Brawl characters 40 out of 55 SSB4 3DS + Wii U characters 56 out of 76 Ultimate characters Lets look deeper into the times new hype and new releases got new characters in over Sheik: 2007: 5 contest newcomers debuted from Brawls hype. 2008: 7 contest newcomers debuted from Brawls release. 2013: 3 contest newcomers debuted from SSB4s hype. 2018: 3 contest newcomers debuted from Ultimates hype. One more estimated stat: how many characters were to some degree in a Smash-game or confirmed to be in the next Smash-game per contest? I had to make some guesses because I'm not looking up info like which day we had access to which game's trophies, but roughly speaking.. 2002: ~8/64 (12.5.%) 2003: ~13/64 (20.31%) 2004: ~10/64 (15.63%) 2005-Villains: ~4/32 (12.5%) 2005: ~11/67 (16.42%) 2006-Females: ~3/32 (9.38%) 2006-Males: ~10/36 (27.78%) 2006-Total: ~13/68 (19.12%) 2007: ~26/131 (19.85%) 2008: ~32/131 (24.43%) 2009/2010: ~30/128 (23.44%) 2013: ~60/243 (24.69%) 2018: ~50/136 (36.76%) We basically had FIFTY Smash-characters in our last Character Battle and SIXTY in the Character Battle before -- and we've had ten of these Character Battles over sixteen years -- and yet Sheik cant make it in once? Not one time? Not even in the Female Bracket? Or when we had two hundred forty-three spots available? Or when Smash-characters made up over a third of our bracket? Or when we have like eighteen characters who only debuted here because they just debuted in Smash? Get the hell out of here. This site loves Smash and that's not going away, so Its time to allow Sheik! --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/29/18 9:32:28 PM #127 | LiquidOshawott posted... That said a Sheik Skull Kid alliance could be neat for potential Zelda dominance I'm up for a trade later when nominations open! --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/29/18 9:31:34 PM #126 | Majora's Mask would look so good on the character select screen in a Smash game one day. I don't care tons for the game compared to the rest of the series and don't know how it or Skull Kid would play, but that mask is impactful to look at... ...oh, you mean a GameFAQs contest. Skull Kid's strength would depend on having the mask each time, but yeah, I imagine he'd be alright with it and could win a match or two in normal circumstances. --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/29/18 9:16:51 PM #124 | MoogleKupo141 posted... Sheik is the only Smash-snub who has been playable in every Smash-game since Melee, and I know a great way to fix this injustice: nominate Sheik! https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll?search=Sheik Holding on. --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/29/18 9:12:25 PM #123 | SMASH-CHARACTERS IN BEFORE SHEIK: Okay, so we just showed you Smashs playable characters who havent made it into a contest yet. Who are the Smash-characters that HAVE made it in though? Im glad I asked on your behalf! Smash-characters previously in matches before Sheik include: PLAYABLE (58): Bayonetta Bowser Captain Falcon Captain Olimar Charizard Chrom Cloud Diddy Kong Donkey Kong Duck Hunt Dog Falco Lombardi Fox McCloud Ganondorf Ike Isabelle Jigglypuff Joker Ken King Dedede King K. Rool Kirby Link Little Mac Lucario Lucina Lucas Luigi Mario Marth Mega Man Meta Knight Mewtwo Mr. Game & Watch Nana Ness Pac-Man Palutena Pikachu Pit Pokemon Trainer Red Princess Daisy Princess Peach Richter Belmont Ridley Rosalina Ryu Samus Aran Shulk Simon Belmont Solid Snake Sonic Squirtle Toon Link Wario Wolf O'Donnell Yoshi Young Link Zelda MII FIGHTER-COSTUMES (12): Akira Yuki Black Knight Dunban Geno Heihachi (GameFAQs vote-in) Knuckles Lloyd Irving Mega Man X Proto Man Tails Toad Zero SPIRITS (25): Akuma Amy Rose Big Boss Black Shadow Chun-Li Dan Hibiki Fawful Felix Groose Liquid Snake M. Bison Metal Man Metal Sonic Mr. Resetti Otacon Raiden Rayman Revolver Ocelot Roll Sagat Shantae Sigma Soma Cruz Tharja The Boss ASSIST TROPHIES/POKEBALLS/ITEMS (16): Alucard Andross Blinky Bomberman Dr. Wily Guile Isaac Lugia Lyndis Midna Mother Brain Paddle Sandbag Shadow the Hedgehog Shovel Knight Waluigi STAGE/CHARACTER/MODE-SPECIFIC CHARACTERS (7): ? Block Captain Toad Doc Louis (GameFAQs vote-in) Dracula Master Hand Prince of All Cosmos Tingle TROPHIES AND STICKERS (9): Agent J Commander Video Crazy Redd Dr. Robotnik Epona Hades Mudkip Reyn Tom Nook REFERENCED BY TEXT (1): Giygas GRAND TOTAL: 128 Why would Sheik not end up in the top 20% of these characters? Heck, she might end up in the top 10%. The Finals Bracket from 2018 has twelve Smash-characters and you'd have to be #13 (basically) or higher to be in the top 10%, so let's just pull those twelve real quick: Link Cloud Zelda Mario Samus Solid Snake Mega Man Pikachu Sonic Ganondorf Bowser Alucard Feel free to pick a few extras if you really believe in them, like Kirby or MMX. Maybe you really disrespect Sheik and go another tier down, but the point is clear: Sheik would forward-smash double-kick the large majority of Smash-characters off her stage. There's a hundred people here Sheik would beat, bare minimum. Why wait longer? Nominate Sheik! --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/29/18 8:56:38 PM #121 | I don't object to ZSS's inclusion -- not really interested in arguing for it though since Sheik's case is stronger and we're rallying for Sheik. I do think fans of theirs are more sincere and unique than Dr. Mario, Dark Link, Baby Luigi, or what have you though. Most truly for Sheik and perhaps less so for others but particularly so for Sheik, she doesn't break the spirit of the rule for clones. You don't need Zelda to like Sheik and Sheik isn't represented by Zelda. --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/29/18 8:43:11 PM #120 | NUMBER OF SMASH-GAMES FOR EACH SNUB: Which snubs have been playable in the most Smash-games? FOUR GAMES: Sheik THREE GAMES: Dr. Mario Popo (Ice Climbers) R.O.B. Roy Zero Suit Samus TWO GAMES: Bowser Jr./Koopa Kids x7 Captain Alph (Captain Olimar) Corrin Dark Pit Duck (Duck Hunt) Greninja Ivysaur Miis x3 Luma (Rosalina) Pichu Robin Villager Wii Fit Trainer ONE GAME: Dark Samus Inciniroar Inkling Piranha Plant (upcoming) Sheik is the only Smash-snub who has been playable in every Smash-game since Melee, and I know a great way to fix this injustice: nominate Sheik! --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/29/18 8:40:54 PM #118 | Total disagreement on Sheik being not that far off from Dr. Mario. We also have the precedent Siegfried and Nightmare set in 2008 and 2011 under SB's tenure. SB's own policy isn't that far from allowing Sheik. --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/29/18 8:33:26 PM #116 | Sheik is the Geralt of clones, not the Spiderman of clones. We're not talking about Dr. Mario here. --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/29/18 8:23:57 PM #114 | LeonhartFour posted... I think the fact that SBAllen used a Sheik pic for Zelda this year means he doesn't consider them separate entities and I'm not sure why we need to look for more popular Zelda characters in the first place. SB sent the feedback ticket saying he'd file this consideration for Sheik AFTER he posted the Sheik-photo. I do agree Sheik's inclusion in that picture was a discouraging move since previously we told him that wasn't what we were interested in...but he could have said no to us with or without that picture, and he didn't. By that logic, I'm not sure why we need more Final Fantasy characters either and that series has at least three times the character representation. Did anybody use this as a reason to object Noctis's debut this year? This rally isn't so much about a LoZ-snub though as it is about finally getting the biggest snub in Smash and even the entire fighting game genre. This rally doesn't happen if Sheik was only in LoZ:OoT. --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/29/18 8:01:49 PM #112 | Kenri posted... HaRRicH posted... Samus > Sheik is one thing, but I thought you were trying to say say ZSS > Sheik and I wasn't sure I was reading this as you intended. Kenri posted... HaRRicH posted... Saves the gaming industry -- banned from game contests. I'm not fighting this battle today, but that's a dang shame! --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/29/18 6:23:22 PM #109 | SMASH'S HIGHEST-TIERED SNUBS: So who are the best playable characters in each Smash-game who have not made it into a match yet? Original SSB (SSBWiki): no snubs -- every character had at least one match Melee (SSBWiki): 4/26 - Sheik 7/26 - Popo (Ice Climbers) 11/26 - Dr. Mario 20/26 - Roy 24/26 - Pichu Brawl (SSBWiki): 2/37 - Popo (Ice Climbers) 9/37 - Zero Suit Samus 18/37 - R.O.B. 24/37 - Sheik 28/37 - Ivysaur (Pokemon Trainer) SSB4 3DS + WiiU (SSBWiki): 4/55 - Sheik 5/55 - Luma (Rosalina) 6/55 - Zero Suit Samus 13/55 - Corrin 21/55 - Captain Alph (Captain Olimar) 25/55 - Villager 26/55 - Greninja 30/55 - Duck (Duck Hunt) 32(t)/55 - Dark Pit 36/55 - R.O.B. 37/55 - Robin 42/55 - Roy 48/55 - Bowser Jr./Koopa Kids x7 49/55 - Dr. Mario 51/55 - Wii Fit Trainer ??? - Miis Ultimate (Ranked Boost since SSBWiki hasn't updated with this): S/76 - Sheik S/76 - Inkling S/76 - Roy A/76 - Corrin A/76 - Pichu B/76 - Captain Alph (Captain Olimar) B/76 - Incineroar B/76 - Ivysaur B/76 - Luma (Rosalina) B/76 - R.O.B. B/76 - Zero Suit Samus C/76 - Greninja C/76 - Mii Brawler C/76 - Mii Gunner C?????/76 - C/76 - Villager D/76 - Dark Pit D/76 - Dark Samus D/76 - Mii Swordfighter D/76 - Wii Fit Trainer E/76 - Bowser Jr./Koopa Kids x7 E/76 - Dr. Mario F/76 - Duck (Duck Hunt) F/76 - Popo (Ice Climbers) F/76 - Robin Is anybody rallying for Zero Suit Samus over Samus? I don't think it'll work as well as our rally, and Sheik is beating ZSS in a match anyway. Is anybody rallying for Popo after Nana lost to Ratchet? Don't even waste your time. Is anybody rallying for R.O.B.? Id actually welcome that, but let's not act like he'll be strong either. Those are the three GameFAQs snubs who are established to have out-ranked Sheik in a game before (Ultimate is still new and figuring out their tiers, plus I had to switch sites), and Sheik would beat all three. Who else even has an argument against Sheik in a GameFAQs match here? Dr. Mario and Dark Samus maaaaaybe, but probably not. Theyre like Zero Suit Samus in how you wont see rallies to get them in over Mario and Samus anyway. Meanwhile, we have something real with Sheik > Zelda, and were not wasting time on those other wanna-bes until they present themselves as a threat. Sheik is the best character to still be snubbed despite topping out in at least two different Smash-games. She's the obvious next pick! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/c/c9/Sheik-Victory-SSBB.png/revision/latest?cb=20150825025038 --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/29/18 5:23:09 PM #108 | Thank you for corrections Metal -- I'll touch on each of them. 2004: I'll update that in the records as being no higher than ~30th-32nd since Ganondorf was an 8-seed. 2005: I totally over-looked the seeding style that year and assumed wrong. 2013: fair, Epona probably should have been higher than an 8-seed with how succesful her rally was...! I hear you on the uncertainty though, so I'll also remind everyone Zen got Corvo a 15-seed that same year which still beats Zelda. It's also worth noting Zen did that for Corvo while also getting Yoshimitsu a 20-seed that same contest. Either way you slice this lemon, Zelda's eye hurts...and now Zen and I are teaming up for Sheik, directly against Zelda if we must. 2004 and 2013 also remind us nominations are sometimes just out of our hands, but that's no reason not to try! Whether it's the misfortune of being company capped, the oddball seeding, the fortune of having your gender highlighted...you name it -- anything could happen and we do need a little luck on our side. Luck is just when hard work meets opportunity though, and this rally's all about building up both of those factors! --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/29/18 4:44:02 PM #107 | LOZ-CHARACTERS BY TIER IN SMASH: How good are the characters from GameFAQs's strongest single-player series in GameFAQs's strongest multi-player series? Original SSB (SSBWiki): 11/12 - Link Melee (SSBWiki): 4/26 - Sheik 14/26 - Ganondorf 16/26 - Young Link 18/26 - Link 22/26 - Zelda Brawl (SSBWiki): 13/37 - Toon Link 24/37 - Sheik 34/37 - Link 36/37 - Zelda 37/37 - Ganondorf SSB4 3DS + WiiU (SSBWiki): 4/55 - Sheik 23/55 - Toon Link 31/55 - Link 53/55 - Ganondorf 54/55 - Zelda Ultimate (Ranked Boost since SSBWiki hasn't updated with this): S/76 - Sheik C/76 - Ganondorf C/76 - Toon Link C/76 - Young Link C/76 - Zelda D/76 - Link Sheik is the only LoZ-character to be a top-ten Smash-character before, and she's been top-ten at least two different times (Ultimate is still new and working out its tiers, plus I switched sites for the details). Toon Link is the only LoZ-character to outdo Sheik, once, in Brawl...but that's not stopping me from taking Sheik > Toon Link in a match if given the chance. Also, notice how Sheik destroys Zeldas bottom-tier ass with every appearance. #DownB Does this matter? Yes! Imagine if Marth had a starring role in Ocarina of Time and didn't look or play like seven other jabronies. That's Sheik (get wrecked Marth). There's no perfect comparison available, but Pikachu and Fox have both been regularly ranked highly in the Smash-series and they can both cause some serious damage. Pikachu and Fox are a bit different, sure; they both have been in Smash since the beginning, and they both have leading roles throughout their original series. In Sheik's favor though, you do NOT underestimate Ocarina of Time. Since Zelda-leeched-by-Donkey-Kong barely lost to Charizard and Epona beat Ike nearly as much as Pikachu once did, Sheik's got to at least be in the conversation against Fox and Pikachu. She could outright beat them both! That's a quality spot for any debut character, and who knows -- she could surprise us even more from there! Link is the best LoZ-character in the Smash-series, and hes #1 on GameFAQs. Meanwhile, Sheik is the best Smash-character in the LoZ-series. Lets find out what that means for her. Nominate Sheik! --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/29/18 2:06:16 PM #105 | Up-airing this topic back to the top of the screen. --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | Night in the Woods Playthrough |
| HaRRicH 12/29/18 1:34:25 PM #12 | That mini-game's kinda addictive. --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | Wow I remembered my log on after like 3 years of not remembering. |
| HaRRicH 12/29/18 1:31:48 PM #15 | Hey, welcome back! --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1323 |
| HaRRicH 12/29/18 1:25:17 PM #318 | If it wins, it wins. It's still a great contest idea worth doing while the time is appropriate. --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/29/18 12:10:32 PM #104 | ZELDA'S SEEDING: Since our goal is to get Sheik in a contest, this goal may require out-nominating Zelda...so what is Zelda's history with nominations anyway? 2002: not selected by CJayC 2003: 10-seed (~37th-40th most nominated) 2004: snubbed (no higher than ~65th) 2005: 5-seed (~17th-20th most nominated) 2006: 1-seed in Female Bracket (~1st-4th most nominated among women) 2007: entered (no lower than ~128th) 2008: entered (no lower than ~128th) 2009/2010: 10-seed (~73rd-80th most nominated) 2013: 16-seed (~135th-144th most nominated) 2018: 4-seed in main bracket (~33th-40th most nominated) We have a huge task ahead of us since Zelda is a former #1 seed who is the eponymous character of Sheik's original series. We also saw Breath of the Wild boost both Ganondorf and Zelda's seeding up to 4-seeds. This is a big challenge to overcome, more so than any rally has ever faced. Fret not though! Zelda has been snubbed before -- see 2004. Also, until Breath of the Wild released, Zelda's seeding looked like it was dropping between 2006 and 2013. In fact, 2013 is an interesting case study for LoZ-characters: 1-seed: Link 8-seed: Epona 8-seed: Groose 9-seed: Ganondorf 16-seed: Zelda 18-seed: Midna 27-seed: Tingle Notice Zelda had a 16-seed and she was smoked by Board 8s rally for Epona who got an 8-seed. Heck, we even got Epona to outseed Ganondorf. We could have done this in 2013 -- no reason why we can't score a repeat in the next Character Battle. https://www.ssbwiki.com/images/4/48/Sheik_SSBM.jpg This board has out-seeded Zelda before with a female who debuted in Ocarina of Time. It's time to do it again. #DownB --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/29/18 12:03:10 PM #103 | After watching that intro video again, you're right -- they were clones, then Galeem manipulated the spirits into puppeteering the clones. There's still the nuance of players saving these characters by defeating their clones though -- saved characters are then customizable with spirits. If we're going with the idea that soul fusions separate characters more, Sheik is capable of soul fusions through these spirits. I don't think anybody's asking for "Sheik with Revolver Ocelot (MGS3) primary spirit and Giga Bowser/Farfetch'd support spirits" to make it in a contest, but it's worth noting she is a unique vessel for these types of fusions. --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/29/18 4:08:49 AM #101 | O P E R A T I O N O U S T : vB) HaRRicH vB) ZenOfThunder 3) Eddv 4) AxemRedRanger 5) MetalmindStats 6) UltimaterializerX 7) hombad46 8) STEINER 9) Shonen_Bat 10) TAFKAHurricane 11) Logience 12) Janus5k 13) Dels 14) WarThaNemesis2 --- 15) Kenri 16) Shaduln 17) Popcorn_Fairy 18) Tom Bombadil 19) A new legend..... SHEIKAH ON STANDBY: jcgamer107 https://i.pinimg.com/originals/06/7a/76/067a765c276f3e51b91c82daabe3da27.jpg BOARD 8'S STEPPING-STONE GOALS: --> Five (5) blind pledges from Board 8 - DOUBLE SUCCESS --> Ten (10) pledges within the rally's first week --> Five (5) unique users adding Sheik-based signatures BOARD 8'S MAJOR GOAL: --> Eighty (80) pledges to support her getting into the contest by CB11's nomination-period --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/29/18 4:06:32 AM #100 | MoogleKupo141 posted... sure, but she still appears as Sheik way fewer times than she appears as just Zelda, so including her in the contest as Sheik is a worse way to represent the overall character It's worth repeating: we don't want Sheik to represent Zelda, we want Sheik to represent Sheik. We mainly advocate for Sheik and Zelda to both be allowed in the same contests and only threaten Zelda's spot in the next contest as a last resort due to no other attention brought to this issue for Sheik-fans. As for the person under the mask, you made it sound like earlier you thought some Links were more different due to soul-fusions. Do you have an opinion on how Ultimate treats playable characters with spirits? Because Sheik does get posessed by multiple pre-set spirits in the single player mode and players can later customize her spirits too. (and hey, I appreciate you debating in good faith here -- you've got good points despite my counter-arguments) --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/29/18 3:45:18 AM #99 | Kenri posted... I think the best pro-Sheik line, for me at least, is that plenty of characters get into these contests on Smash and effectively nothing else, so it's not really any worse to try to get Sheik in on her Smash status. They're different characters in a "character select screen" sense rather than a literary sense. Thank you, and we do have an angle regarding this as well. Stay tuned for it next week. Tomorrow though, we're talking about Zelda's past nomination history and what that means if we're going to out-nominate her. Probably other cool things too! --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/29/18 3:32:15 AM #96 | _SecretSquirrel posted... HaRRicH posted...If somebody wants to rally one of these Links over Link though, good luck...! Maaaaan that's a wild timeline to think about...I can only imagine the fallout in such an unlikely situation! --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/29/18 3:29:22 AM #94 | MoogleKupo141 posted... but it's like if Bruce Wayne existed in comics for thirty years just being Bruce Wayne and then there was year in those thirty years where he dressed up as Batman. Sheik's been relevant for twenty of those thirty years, thanks to Smash. LoZ:OoT was only most relevant to Sheik's fanbase when that was Sheik's only game from 1998 to 2001. Zelda has had her own adventures in the LoZ-series since then, but Sheik hasn't been rusting away either -- she continues to be awesome by her own merits in a different series. --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/29/18 3:23:22 AM #93 | MoogleKupo141 posted... also playboy Bruce is the costume, Batman is the actual personality there Bruce Wayne came first and was shaped to become Batman from Bruce's tragic childhood. Bruce's playboy lifestyle as an adult can be its own cover, so to speak, but let's not blur that with Bruce Wayne and say Bruce is Batman's costume. Batman is Bruce's costume. --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/29/18 3:16:32 AM #91 | Kenri posted... HaRRicH posted...Sheik is more separated from Zelda than any of those Links are to Link. First of all, thank you for reminding me of the different LoZ-games being represented by Sheik and Zelda in Ultimate. As for your other point, fine job catching me get too loose with my words there. You're right that it was a disguise in LoZ:OoT. A lot of my argument goes back to these points about comparing Siegfried/Nightmare and Zelda/Sheik, so here's an opinion on the Links regarding them and Smash. 1) Nightmare is a form of Siegfried = Sheik is a form of Zelda. <-- Each Link is a different person -- I forget if it is family lineage or just some heroic power that ties them together in the LoZ-series, but Link/YL/TL are not the same person 2) Nightmare was once considered to be Siegfried, but they entirely separated in Soul Calibur 3 = Sheik was once considered to be Zelda, but they entirely separated in SSB4. <-- Link, Young Link, and Toon Link were never considered to be precisely the same character in Smash. 3) Nightmare's play-style is significantly different from Siegfried's = Sheik's play-style is significantly different from Zelda's. --> all three characters play similarly. 4) Nightmare's appearance is not immediately similar to Siegfried = Sheik's appearance is not immediately similar to Zelda --> all three Links appear similar with stylistic differences. 5) Nightmare's name and identity are not immediately similar to Siegfried = Sheik's name and identity are not immediately similar to Zelda --> Link, Young Link, and Toon Link have similar names. Young Link or Toon Link in addition to Link would break the spirit of what we're dealing with here. LoZ has weird continuity with its characters so they may be recognized as separate characters, but the points above remind us how similar they are in Smash and that's before considering how similar they are in LoZ. Wolf Link and Fierce Diety Link are basically power-ups to existing Links in my mind -- nobody wants Fire Mario and Cape Mario. With recognition that Sheik is a disguise for Zelda in LoZ:OoT, Smash still separates Sheik from Zelda more overall than these Links do from Link. If somebody wants to rally one of these Links over Link though, good luck...! --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/29/18 2:46:06 AM #88 | Popcorn_Fairy posted... sure. Zelda is Bruce Wayne, Sheik is Batman. I don't think there would be a lot of support for having Bruce Wayne and Batman as separate entants in a comics character contest . Playfully, hell yeah Sheik is Batman to Zelda's Bruce Wayne -- Sheik is the best between them! Also though, to me it's like Bruce Wayne has been in comic book contests since 2003 and people insist Batman can't be represented because Bruce Wayne has been here. Why wouldn't you include Batman?! Batman's awesome and has been for years! We have an inclusive solution where both of them can be featured, and if there's no inertia toward allowing Batman to be seen by normal means then we'll work extra hard to out-nominate Bruce and be done with it. --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/29/18 2:24:26 AM #85 | MoogleKupo141 posted... I'm not worried about Crossdressing Cloud, I'm worried about Wolf Link and Fierce Diety Link. Maybe even Toon Link if we're using separate slots on the Smash character select screen to justify Sheik. Sheik is more separated from Zelda than any of those Links are to Link. In addition, Sheik is beating any Link-character not simply titled Link, and the same goes for any other clone-fears people have. In any case, no variation of Link will out-nominate Link. In the meanwhile, Zen and I have a history of out-seeding Zelda with Corvo and Epona in 2013. Zen also nearly did it again this year with Metal Sonic. If you don't want both Zelda and Sheik in the same contest, that alone doesn't disqualify Sheik -- Zelda can still be out-nominated. --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/29/18 2:16:20 AM #83 | So Ultimate is inconsistent in a way. In one way, you're right about its (lack of) lore and how in one of its hint screens it suggests something like "In LoZ:OoT, Sheik is Ze--well you'll just have to play her game." In another way, Ultimate's advertising literally features this shot to solidify them being separate characters: http://imgur.com/gallery/ewjazK0 Sheik usually isn't in their group shot-advertisements in their past games together. --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/28/18 10:45:25 PM #77 | Foolmoron and agasonex made games from our board. I believe nintendogirl too, but I haven't seen her in awhile. --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/28/18 6:05:19 PM #71 | Bumping fish. --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/28/18 2:17:25 PM #70 | I've heard excellent things about Celeste but I haven't played it yet, no. There's a Guacamelee 2? Neat! The first one was pretty rad. Don't know the Messenger. There's another NitW playthrough topic here that just started if you wanna check it out. Some of the best writing in a video game -- Mae Borowski is my spirit animal. You might be thinking of KamikazePotato about Umineko -- he championed that one for awhile. I tried it but didn't get into it. --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/28/18 1:45:55 PM #67 | 3D LoZ is a great take on 2D Zelda, but Link Between Worlds showed me how 2D > 3D. Fantastic series. And yes! The End is Nigh was so brutal and dare I say unethical with its difficulty ( --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/28/18 1:29:01 PM #64 | Dels posted... To be honest, I have not played OoT, Soul Calibur, or SSB4 or Ultimate. So I'm not the best person to weigh in on this. Either way, I still don't see the harm in making a push for Sheik, and I think even if they are the same, it'd be neat to see both in a bracket. So I suppose that's the end of my contribution here. Good luck with your rally. OoT, Smash, and Soul Calibur 2 are fine games -- give 'em a shot sometime if you can. Appreciate the support! --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/28/18 1:27:03 PM #63 | 2015 for Melee (six pictures -- two are relevant and one picture from Round Two is missing from both creativenames site and the Board 8 Wiki) 2015 for SSB4 Wii U (three pictures -- the first two are irrelevant and Round Three is missing from both creativenames site and the Board 8 Wiki): Out of 64 pictures -- at least 14 that are relevant: Sheik: 1 Zelda: 14 Sheik only got one picture in Smashs matches compared to the fourteen Zelda has! Now granted, many of these pictures are crowded, but Sheik has earned her spot within this series every bit as much as Zelda AND THEN SOME. Just because Zelda-fans usually like Sheik a lot does NOT mean Sheik-fans often like Zelda the same. #DownB --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/28/18 1:26:30 PM #62 | DOES SHEIK GET FAIR REPRESENTATION WITH SUPER SMASH BROS.? Sheik consistently out-tiers Zelda in every Smash-game. That probably means Sheik gets represented well in Smash-pics, right? Nope. 2004 for Melee (five pictures -- three are relevant): 2006 for the Smash-series (three pictures -- one is relevant): 2009 for Melee (eleven pictures -- three are relevant): 2009 for Brawl (eleven pictures -- none are relevant): 2010 for Melee (six pictures -- three are relevant): 2010 for Brawl (nineteen pictures -- two are relevant): --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/28/18 1:20:10 PM #60 | DOES SHEIK GET FAIR REPRESENTATION WITHIN THE LEGEND OF ZELDA? So weve seen Sheik is hardly getting representation in Zeldas pictures. How about their original game and series they shared though? Did Sheik get her proper recognition there? 2004 for LoZ:OoT (four pictures -- one is relevant): 2006 for the LoZ-series (twelve pictures -- seven are relevant): 2009 (twenty-four pictures -- five are relevant): 2013 (nine pictures -- five are relevant): Out of 49 pictures -- 18 that are relevant: Sheik: 9 Zelda: 16 This is as fair to Sheik as GameFAQs has allowed up to this point: using her to boost the site's strongest game and series, yet still not allowing Sheik to represent herself as a character. It's worth noting that six of Sheik's nine pictures here featured Zelda in them too. All we are saaaaaaaayiiiiiiiiing ...is give Sheik a chance. --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/28/18 12:55:13 PM #59 | Dels posted... Sure, Sheik has a different name, but if the character was called "Disguised Zelda" instead, would you have any case? If Zero Suit Samus was suddenly called "Zero Hunter" as an alias instead, would that make her any more of a different entity? Sheik's success was more than a name -- players were effectively convinced Sheik was not Zelda through the majority of LoZ:OoT, then Nintendo honored those separate identities and character traits by first of all including her when they never added the likes of Tetra, then they went further by separating them mechanically in Smash. Zero Hunter would help Samus's case in my book but not really in a big way. Metroid's original spoiler was --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/28/18 12:40:04 PM #58 | So one of the things I would like to see clarified about the Siegfried/Nightmare-divide Moogle brought up is how long it took in the series storyline to clarify Nightnare is its own entity and just chose to continue staying within Siegfried without necessarily bouncing to its next host. I was mostly a SC2-player and had to ask some SC friends and watch videos like this:  How clear was it from the beginning Nightmare and Siegfried were separate entities? The fact that Siegfried/Nightmare were allowed after SC3 when they separated feels like a point in Sheik's favor now that Sheik has separated from Zelda, and any Smash player will immediately recognize the multiple differences between them. --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/28/18 11:59:14 AM #56 | 2013 (two pictures): 2018 (at least thirteen pictures): Out of at least 38 pictures: Tetra: 1 (0 for main focus) Sheik: 3 (1 for main focus) Zelda: 47+ (36+ for main focus) But Zelda represents Sheik -- are you kidding me?! Zelda, not Sheik, has been the main focus of every single Zelda-match until we messaged SBAllen about getting Sheik in a contest. In comparison, before we messaged SBAllen, Sheik was only in Zeldas background twice...and both times were on the same day from the CJayC-era. SBAllen did break new ground to feature Sheik in her first foreground shot in 2018...once, which was not what we asked for regarding Sheiks representation. To be clear, OF COURSE Zelda should be the focus in Zelda-matches. The point is to counter the argument that Sheik-fans should be satisfied with Zelda representing them. Sheik needed Zelda to make it into 2006s Final Four for Sheiks right eye to make it into the background two out of four rotating pictures, and Sheik needed Zelda to make it into 2018's Losers Finals for Sheik to get her first foreground shot in another set of four rotating pictures. Am I missing something, or is this really what some people think will satisfy Sheik-fans? Zelda represents ZELDA, not Sheik. #DownB --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/28/18 11:58:58 AM #55 | ZELDAS PICTURES IN CHARACTER BATTLES: Here's the breakdown of how many times Sheik has appeared in a picture for a Zelda-match. 2003 (two pictures): 2005 (two pictures): 2006 (eight pictures): 2007 (two pictures): 2008 (two pictures): 2009/2010 (seven pictures): --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
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| HaRRicH 12/28/18 11:40:59 AM #7 | Taaaaag. --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/28/18 11:39:20 AM #54 | O P E R A T I O N O U S T : vB) HaRRicH vB) ZenOfThunder 3) Eddv 4) AxemRedRanger 5) MetalmindStats 6) UltimaterializerX 7) hombad46 8) STEINER 9) Shonen_Bat 10) TAFKAHurricane 11) Logience 12) Janus5k 13) Dels 14) WarThaNemesis2 --- 15) Kenri 16) Shaduln 17) Popcorn_Fairy 18) Tom Bombadil 19) A new legend..... SHEIKAH ON STANDBY: jcgamer107 https://i.pinimg.com/originals/06/7a/76/067a765c276f3e51b91c82daabe3da27.jpg BOARD 8'S STEPPING-STONE GOALS: --> Five (5) blind pledges from Board 8 - DOUBLE SUCCESS --> Ten (10) pledges within the rally's first week --> Five (5) unique users adding Sheik-based signatures BOARD 8'S MAJOR GOAL: --> Eighty (80) pledges to support her getting into the contest by CB11's nomination-period --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/28/18 11:29:39 AM #53 | Tom Bombadil posted... man I knew I shoulda blind signed Better late than never, and it's never too late to support Sheik. Thank you for joining the battle and agreeing two slots is appropriate! --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
| Topic | `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB |
| HaRRicH 12/28/18 11:25:57 AM #52 | MoogleKupo141 posted... Zero Suit Samus was separated from normal Samus too, that doesn't make them different characters. Nightmare and Siegfried actually exist as different beings within the SC story. I'm not opposed to ZSS getting in a contest, though I'm not advocating for her either. I think Sheik is more separate from Zelda than ZSS is to Samus and there is more legitimate support for Sheik to be an individual character on GameFAQs than ZSS. I'll walk through my thought process with ZSS, why not: 1) Nightmare is a form of Siegfried = Sheik is a form of Zelda. <-- ZSS is a form of Samus. 2) Nightmare was once considered to be Siegfried, but they entirely separated in Soul Calibur 3 = Sheik was once considered to be Zelda, but they entirely separated in SSB4. <-- ZSS was once considered to be Samus, but they entirely separated in SSB4. 3) Nightmare's play-style is significantly different from Siegfried's = Sheik's play-style is significantly different from Zelda's. --> ZSS's play-style is significantly different from Samus's. I'm adding these two other points from the .R.O.B./Ancient Master conversation now: 4) Nightmare's appearance is not immediately similar to Siegfried = Sheik's appearance is not immediately similar to Zelda --> ZSS's appearance is not immediately similar to Samus. 5) Nightmare's name and identity are not immediately similar to Siegfried = Sheik's name and identity are not immediately similar to Zelda --> Ah, Zero Suit Samus is without question connected by name and identity to Samus. So by those points, thanks to the Smash series, I think ZSS has an argument but it's weaker than Sheik's and I don't see people out-nominating Samus to get ZSS in. I hear you on your point of entity and permanence for Nightmare which makes that a unique relationship hard to replicate, so I'll go back to my point that SB has proven to be lenient over the years. There are a lot of similarities here though and Sheik is unique too. Since SB is afraid of both clones and other fictional characters not from games, we believe Sheik is different enough from Dr. Mario in a similar way Geralt is different enough from Spiderman. Allowing Sheik doesn't mean allowing Crossdressing Cloud or Yellow Yoshi. Sheik is plenty unique to consider separately, and if SB is that afraid he can put her in the same division as Zelda to nullify the risk of a takeover (though he didn't do that for Siegfried and Nightmare in 2008 and let them team up in 2011). --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png |
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