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Not sure why you'd be asking me. I have not and will not ever write something like that.

Cemith posted...

Gob continues to make history.

How is it ignorant to cite studies on the subject, exactly?

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I feel like it's not ignorant at all to cite multiple studies with multiple data points that all demonstrate significant health benefits.

majin_nemesis posted...

you know what prevents HIV? a condom use it and stop cutting off a baby penis against his will

Sorry that you seem to disagree with the findings, but circumcision has several health benefits in actual, non-hypothetical scenarios.

That makes it a worthwhile procedure if parents want their sons to have significantly decreased risk of UTIs and other complications (such as HIV, phimosis, and rare cases of penile cancer) later in life.

Also, it just looks better and women prefer it.

That's a lot of benefits for a very simple, quick procedure that children won't remember.

Enclave posted...

Basic hygiene, a bit of freakin' education so people aren't so ignorant of sexual organs, this is the actual solution, not non-consensual cosmetic surgery.

I understand that you're arguing from a position of emotional investment, but please don't make any claims about following the science if you refuse to acknowledge the simple facts that circumcision has a strong effect in UTI and HIV transmission prevention.

Areas with high HIV prevalence and low circumcision rates saw a significant decrease in HIV rates when circumcision rates increased. If it were as easy as you say, why were HIV rates so high before?

Baha05 posted...

So you literally saw Ripley in the first Alien movie fight off dinosaurs on a planet?

Did you literally see people in pokemon games shooting pokemon in the face with an assault rifle?

Enclave posted...

cosmetic surgery

Also, you keep using this term but it doesn't really apply here. There are several health benefits to consider in addition to the increased visual appeal.

Enclave posted...

It's not deflection, it's just a fact. Basic hygiene is a far superior solution than non-consensual cosmetic surgery that itself carries risks of infection and death.

The study didn't say anything to the effect of "in the absence of basic hygiene," now did it? I feel like you're just making up your own conclusions at this point.

10x greater risk of UTI, risk of phimosis complications, higher rate of HIV... seems like there are significant benefits to circumcision. Write them off and be dismissive all you like, the science does support there being several benefits to circumcision at birth.

Enclave posted...

Wash your kids dick to reduce UTI risk. Fucking basic hygiene.

See, this is deflection. I'd rather not give my child a 10x greater risk of UTI, myself.

Baha05 posted...

The bad part about it is that it being so blatant means others will try to do that and it would just tank the indie scene down more then help.

Palworld is fun, though. If other developers are inspired by them to do more interesting combinations of genre and art style, that can only be a good thing.

Uninspired ripoff games haven't been a thing for decades already. Palworld is actually inspired and charming. It's a good game and people love it.

Enclave posted...

Cosmetic surgery

It also has health benefits observed in a multitude of studies, some of the most important of which come during the first year of life via UTI risk reduction.

Enclave posted...

Looking at those links it's mostly situations of "just fucking wash your dick!" and "wear a god damn condom if you're having casual sex!"

And it's also a situation of "if you're circumcised, your risk goes down."

Also, most of those UTIs occur in infants, and those infants can have many complications from those UTIs.

Baha05 posted...

which isnt good for the industry because it encourages lazy art designs

Okay but like, hear me out... people bought and played palworld because it's fun and the pals look cute.

If it was bad, people wouldn't have fallen in love with it. Yes, it's inspired by Pokemon and has similarities to it. No, that's not a bad thing.

Even when pokemon was new, other things similar to it were huge and it was a highly competitive space. The lack of real competition in recent years is a big part of why pokemon games have been mediocre for the past decade or more.

Cemith posted...

You can not both ignore the information presented to you but then also still be on board with it because "HeAlTh RiSkS".

They looked specifically at penis cancer, and seemed to ignore other risks such as UTI and HIV. I linked a few studies above that aggregate and assess multiple other studies on the subjects.

DrizztLink posted...

Go ahead.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23201382/

https://emedicine.medscape.com/article/442617-overview?form=fpf#a1

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6523040/

Jupiter posted...

I wish you would stop arguing health benefits.

No reason to stop when there are benefits to discuss. Phimosis leads to its own complications, and is part of the reason why cancer, infection, and HIV risk increase for uncircumcised people.

Baha05 posted...

Because if you arent directly looking into the game pass screen shots on Steam or watching videos you would be under the impression that its Pokmon with Guns and not a survival crafting game.

????

The trailers were pretty clear about what kind of game it is.

ai123 posted...

You don't even have the dignity to concede a point when you are shown to have been making an indefensible argument.

It's not indefensible, though. I've defended it well so far. I understand that you disagree, but that's probably because you're one of the ones I'm arguing with.

ai123 posted...

But you do see the part where the medical studies you base your 'science' on are shown to be questionable

There are lots of studies that have been done with regard to phimosis and UTI, and the conclusion is pretty much always "you get phimosis and UTIs a lot more often if you're uncircumcised."

One of y'all even said "of course you won't get tight foreskin if you don't have foreskin."

Sounds like a solid preventative measure for a health issue to me.

Deutschenlied posted...

You literally said if you had a chance to prevent cancer in children, you'd do it. You were very clear about it.

Right. I've said that already. Do you want me to say it again? I haven't taken it back or changed my mind.

willythemailboy posted...

Dental cleanings/checkups, fluoride, blood tests for lead as necessary

Uh oh, sometimes bad things happen at the dentist. Are you sure you should be filling a kid's teeth before they're old enough to decide for themselves?

Jupiter posted...

I don't understand why you still fight for circumcision despite knowing the "health benefits" are bullshit

They're not bullshit. Why do you guys keep trying to put words in my mouth?

Jupiter posted...

Also, I'm uncircumcised. I've been with several girls in my life. Not a single one had a complaint about it.

Anecdotal evidence is pretty weak compared to actual surveys and studies that have been done.

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I'm not wrong. You guys are trying to force some kind of narrative here that simply isn't true about me. It's kind of weird tbh

willythemailboy posted...

Vaccination. Note those are actually recommended as preventative medicine and circumcisions are not.

Anything else?

It turns out that games are better when players have some idea of where they can go.

Baha05 posted...

In terms of the design of what the game is and the screen shots presented its again obvious what they were drawing in on

Okay, sure, but how is that dishonest?

SauI_Goodman posted...

Really it wasn't the fact that someone just happened to be filming a random guy.

I didn't even watch the video, tbh. I just know this kind of stuff by scent these days.

Deutschenlied posted...

Don't you like how Gob just casually dropped gave up on the cancer angle when it was shut down?

It wasn't shut down, but we've been going back and forth about it for a while now. You guys have said your part, and I've said mine. Time to address other health benefits.

Deutschenlied posted...

Yet they recommend many

Name a few other procedures that are recommended for all children, for me.

Extremely bad opinion tbh

Man, remember when Starfield was going to be amazing? It was going to be like if Star Citizen was a game instead of a money farm.

I saw the shorts logo and knew it was scripted without even watching it.

Damn, I'm good.

willythemailboy posted...

against all evidence is obvious

Nothing I've said is against science.

willythemailboy posted...

What happened to your "trust the science, bro" mentality when the science has proven you wrong?

They don't recommend routine circumcision because it should be the decision of the parents. The analysis tends to say that there are many benefits to the procedure that outweigh any risk, but it's up to the parents to choose.

Ronaldo posted...

Watch the videos coming in from Rafah and you'll see why people are upset.

I don't see how that's related to a super bowl joke, though.

willythemailboy posted...

If he admits defeat he'll have to consider that he was subjected to an unnecessary and mildly dangerous surgery without his consent as an infant

Please don't project your feelings onto me. If I were arguing on my own behalf I'd be content to say "it looks better and women prefer it," and that alone is enough for me to be happy. I'm arguing in favor of all children being circumcised for medical reasons, because there's a substantial case to be made there as well.

ai123 posted...

Are you dropping the cancer argument now?

I've said what needs to be said on that front. Anything else will just be circular and pointless.

ai123 posted...

The one by Ars Goetia #373.

I don't see the part about phimosis and UTI, can you be more specific?

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Oh, he may proceed then.

What do you mean, "you people?"

ai123 posted...

nothing but a personal and emotional preference for circumcision

Address phimosis and UTIs now please.

It's a 100% harmless comedy show that occasionally makes a good point. If you're offended, that means it's working.

Imagine a topic with over 180 posts because some people can't take a joke.

Amocat posted...

totally not a scam btw

It's 100% not a scam. It's great fun.

willythemailboy posted...

Yes. More often they sue the hospital.

Got some examples?

ai123 posted...

What is your response to the fact that you are more likely to die from the circumcision procedure than you are from the cancer it may (evidence disputed) very slightly help to prevent?

(As per post #422).

It's unfortunate that rare complications sometimes occur during a routine medical procedure.

But there are more than enough benefits (lower cancer risk, no phimosis, much lower UTI risk) to make the procedure worth doing. Complications can happen to anybody, unfortunately. It's just the nature of medical procedures.

People sometimes die at the dentist, too. It's a risk we all take. Fortunately, the chance is very low of anything serious happening.

majin_nemesis posted...

hopefully he grows up and sues you

Has anyone ever tried to do this before?

Everybody played it all at once, now it's being spread out more and people have calmed down. It's still being played a ton for a game that's in really access with only the most basic content implemented.

There's not even PvP battles yet.

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It's not just a narrative. It's a fact.

And while penile cancer is rare, phimosis is significantly more likely. UTIs are also much more common in uncircumcised people.

It's not just penis cancer that's being prevented.

Reminder: this topic was made by Scotty_Rogers

Jupiter posted...

Gob, what's your response to this?

My response is that circumcision lowers the risk of cancer and basically eliminates phimosis, so it's a procedure worth performing.

She's only going to become more powerful from now on.

Ronaldo posted...

Unprofessional but funny.

Extremely professional and funny.

Fluttershy posted...

if doing your job gets in the way of killing the boss, you need to switch roles.

Exactly, that's why bad DPS who fail mechanics that wipe the raid should be left dead.

Fluttershy posted...

bringing them back gives them practice at the things that come after that point. keeping them on the ground just keeps them from being able to practice anything past where they died.

What's more important? Killing the boss, or "giving someone more practice?"

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It does.