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Deutschenlied posted...

So this means we don't need to vote because it's their fault if a Christofascist party destroys America and dooms everyone to suffering?

I'm not talking about voting, you are. I'm talking about Biden's responsibility for the genocide he is supporting and the fact that it is going to lose him the election. If you respond to this with the same line about how I have to vote for Biden regardless of his actions, something I am not discussing, I'm going to block you.

Deutschenlied posted...

Does Obama also have the blood on his hands, and every President post-WW2?

Without question. All of them are culpable for the current situation.

Deutschenlied posted...

And even if Biden did, that would absolutely not end the genocide. Israel would just find another way.

If American support for Israel did not exist, Israel would be a smoking crater within a month.

Deutschenlied posted...

Biden does have agency. And we have agency to vote against Trump out of a sense of damage mitigation and self-preservation. I'm using Biden, not voting for him because I like him. You just want to give up and then go "Well Biden should have given me more!"

I have not discussed my willingness to vote for Biden once. I have only been talking about the fact that Biden's actions have predictable results, and he alone is responsible for his actions and the results of his actions. He is acutely aware that his fanatical support for Israel's genocide of the Palestinians is going to sink him and he simply refuses to do anything about it.

Deutschenlied posted...

Israel is going to genocide Palestine no matter what.

Shut the fuck up. Israel would not exist without unconditional American support. Biden could end the genocide overnight by witholding aid and weapons and he has chosen not to for almost 5 months. Not only has he chosen not to end the conflict, he has gone out of his way to give Israel even more weapons than Congress will give it. The blood of tens of thousands of Palestinians is on his hands.

itachi15243 posted...

As much as these fucking morons want to believe it, no, it WILL be their fucking fault.

And they should NEVER be allowed to live it down if it turns out like this.

What about the guy that is fanatically supporting a genocide and refuses to use any of the mountains of leverage he has to do anything about it and has everyone in the country shouting at the top of their lungs that this is going to lose him the election

Does Biden have any agency whatsoever

Holy_Cloud105 posted...

I bet you're not a minority and have no risk of being killed or deported by Trump and his cult. Must be super easy for you to say this bullshit.

I bet you're not Palestinian and have no risk of arms that Biden explicitly bypassed Congress to give to Israel being used to murder half of your family. Must be super easy for you to say this bullshit. This is something Biden is choosing to do and he can stop at any time. He knows what it's doing to his electoral chances and he is continuing to do it. This is on him.

hockeybabe89 posted...

And no one has a will to live because he's doing that? We're gonna voluntarily choose to blow our fucking brains out and blame it on Biden sucking? Your choices in 2024 are vote for Biden or die. There is no third option.

Maybe Biden should try to do something to make sure he wins this do-or-die election instead of actively doing things that, on top of being moral atrocities, are causing him to lose this do-or-die election

CobraGT posted...

The second page (which no one but me read) goes on to say that it will be then be Biden's fault that Trump won.

He is refusing to stop doing the thing that is obliterating his chances at reelection, so yes

beat it again how is this game so fucking good

What a beautiful movie.

It's about LIFE and shit

Relient_K posted...

I don't see how it is possible that the average score is 49%. I thought I was doing well with 25%. Would have had a few more but couldn't get the spelling right.

Most people that actively seek out stuff like this know it VERY well.

TMOG posted...

Meanwhile, the PS5, well...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:PlayStation_5-only_games

They honestly don't compare at all.

2 of these are VR-only, 3 of them haven't even come out yet, and one of them (FF7R2) is almost certainly going to come out on PC in the next 2 years. The PS5 is in its 4th year of life and this is all it can muster. Absolutely pathetic.

His brain does not work

rideshort posted...

So TC I hope you understand that it's too late for any other candidate. Trump will more than likely win his primary and Biden is the incumbent and will win his primary. Who do you choose at that point?

It's March, not September. There is plenty of time for someone else.

Someone marked this for trolling but it's back up now

Every dungeon should be a straight line to the end i HATE interesting gameplay

Shadow_Don posted...

Again, the problem with this analysis is that Biden is the one absorbing negative attention for pretty much the entire party.

Sure, I bet there are some dems that would fair a bit better, but no matter what generic dem you slot into Bidens position they are going to be the target of the rightwing outrage complex and thats going to effect polling.

I agree that the figurehead for any party is going to catch more shit and absorb more negative attention than anyone else, but not every Democrat is dealing with severe cognitive decline and exactly 1 Democrat is responsible for bypassing Congress to give Israel even more weapons to murder children with. If Biden, by some miracle, is displaced, his successor will have to reverse his behavior with Israel immediately to get the many, many people disaffected by Biden's unconditional support of genocide to reconsider voting Democratic.

aarrgus posted...

You do realize that the schedule is different every time, right? Like it's not a set schedule every year.

Like how in 2012 California went on Feb 5, 2016 on June 7, in 2020 it went March 3....

It does not matter to the point I was making

Red_XIV posted...

It's long past time that New Hampshire got stripped of its "first primary" status.

Why? It's in their Constitution and they would be violating state law if they didn't.
Red_XIV posted...

And a state that jumps the schedule gets their delegates stripped. That's how it has to work, or else you'd end up with states scheduling their primary a year and a half before the general election.

Why would they do that? Why do we have to have a schedule? Why not just do everything on the same day like a normal country? Also, SURELY the DNC was jumping the schedule and not New Hampshire; they moved the primary schedule up to begin with, not New Hampshire.

Biden also explicitly asked the DNC to put South Carolina first because it saved his campaign back in 2020. If you don't see this for what it is, I don't know what to tell you. Florida and Delaware's primaries were also cancelled.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

Bruh how is Biden not one of THE most generic democrats. What the fuck is your idea of a generic democrat if Biden isnt that?

I have spent this entire topic explaining Biden's unique weaknesses and I see no reason to explain them again.

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You cannot be sincerely making this argument. There's no way you're this profoundly stupid.

andel posted...

appealing to polling to doomspeak about biden is particularly absurd after 2018-2023 when polling had democrats losing the majority of those races when in reality democrats basically won every competitive race against trump backed candidates or trump himself.

trump is toxic and drives turnout to vote for his opponent, and trumpian downballot candidates tend to only win in safe chud states/districts.

I brought up polling against generic Democrats for a reason. Generic Democrats win all the time against Trump-backed candidates. Biden is not a generic Democrat.

divot1338 posted...

Wrong.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4501305-biden-tops-trump-by-4-points-in-virginia-poll/amp/

Yeah, in Virginia. Biden being 4 points ahead in Virginia should be the bare minimum. Your own article says Biden is losing by 6 points to Trump nationally, which is an utter catastrophe.
https://pro-assets.morningconsult.com/wp-uploads/2024/01/Full-Data.pdf
I know it's a lot of stuff to go through, but just search "B13" and it'll give you the tables for each of the states. He's losing Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. These are the states that matter to his reelection. I'm trying to sound the alarm bells and all you can offer is "biden's gonna campaign and that'll fix everything lmao".

Heineken14 posted...

The same goal that right wingers who were super duper totally going to vote for Bernie you guys, just super duper totally elect him, we all love him and he's great! Also Tulsi, her too! We'd super duper totally not vote for a republican and vote democrat if they just didn't screw over those candidates that we very, very, much definitely like! It's about sowing division in the left to make them attack each other rather than go after the ACTUAL enemy that is the right in hopes of suppressing votes through lack of motivation/morale.

The lack of motivation and morale is already there. It's why Biden is losing in the polls. It is why I made this topic. I don't need to manufacture it.

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I'm sorry, are you saying that I'm responsible for the DNC pushing a dogshit candidate and for Biden torpedoing his own electability?

Heineken14 posted...

Continuing to push right wing propaganda doesn't help your very concerned and totally legitimate cause.

Do you want to go down the list? You can't just dismiss it as right wing propaganda when it is having a measurable impact on his electability.

Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

It's weird that Trumpers think this is an angle, like, you're being stupid in plain sight. That only works on redhats. It's not passing.

Let's say I'm a Trumper. This is a cosmically stupid thing to say given my track record on this board, but let's say it's true. What the hell is my goal? 80% of the country thinks Biden is too old, why would I need to push that at all? I have made it abundantly clear that Biden is a uniquely weak candidate, so why would I want Trump to go up against anyone else, who would certainly have a better chance of winning? Am I actually a 4D chess player that knows that Biden is a uniquely STRONG candidate and I think anyone else would have a worse chance against Trump? I'm not a Trumper just because I don't deny reality.

Tanthalas posted...

Good to know you're all fired up to do something about this huge problem less than a year before the election...

Yes, I'm all fired up to get a candidate whose brain is not crumbling into dust in real time instead of Biden. That's what this entire topic is about.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

And youre right, 80% of the country didnt believe Obama conspiracies, just the entire right did. So its okay that their perception of him was like that according to you, right?

Are you comparing all of those insane racist conspiracy theories are equivalent to the objective fact that Biden is incredibly old and makes gaffes all the time and can't remember which world leaders died 20 years ago? There's some new story that comes out about this every single week.

Phantom_Nook posted...

pulled out an alt to jack yourself off, huh?

I don't use alts because I'm not a coward

Also it's on sale

Also it's in this month's Humble Bundle

Buy it it's one of the best 3D platformers ever made

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2365810/Pseudoregalia/

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

Yeah, for Obama they just said he was a secret muslim, not a birthright citizen, and that his wife was actually a man. Many people, including Trump, paid it A LOT of mind. Is that Obamas fault that people had this perception of him and his family?

I'm sorry, did 80% of the country think he was a secret Muslim, not a birthright citizen, and that his wife was actually a man? No?

Mecha_Sonic posted...

well a good place to start would be if people like you would stop fucking amplifying it

What do you MEAN "amplify it"? Again, this is 80% of the country that ALREADY thinks he's too old.

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I'm talking to a brick wall.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

No, nobody said anything suing anyone. However, people like you saying that hes gaffe a minute just make the problem worse, especially if you claim to understand that the media puts Biden in a worse light.

If I said that, I don't know, Obama put out a gaffe a minute, nobody would pay it any mind because it has zero bearing in reality. This is not the case with Biden, and putting your hands over your ears and pretending not to hear it only serves to make you look delusional. This is the perception, and he has no way to fight it, because it's true. Again, how is he going to overcome it?

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

You dont question why you only see Bidens gaffes and nothing else of his public appearances? Its almost like theres an intention there.

Okay, let me grant you that the media is completely unfair. What are you going to do, sue them? Are you going to sue the voters for thinking he's too old? Even if the game is rigged, it's the one we're playing, and Biden's age (and cognitive decline) is one of the biggest factors against him. Again, how is he going to overcome this?

Mecha_Sonic posted...

the media has a right-wing bias. this is the reason for biden's bad polling numbers, not anything biden has done.

You don't think his unconditional support for genocide has hurt him in any way?

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What campaigning? He barely holds rallies and when he does, he pumps out a gaffe a minute. He declined the Super Bowl interview. He's been "campaigning" for months at this point and his numbers have only gotten worse.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

So you have a problem with Bidens age but not Trumps? Is Bidens age your main problem with him, and not his stance on Israel?

Trump voters don't care about his age because they're a cult, but Biden's age is a genuine issue in the minds of the voters. My #1 issue with him is the fact that he's supporting genocide, but his age and Palestine are the 2 biggest electoral issues he has. His fanatical support for Israel's genocide of Palestine has already caused so many deaths that I guarantee there are plenty of people that will simply never vote for him at this point, but I think he could gain back support if he just brought the conflict to a halt. I don't see how he can overcome the perception of his age short of having his staff pump him full of stimulants every day, which would probably kill him before the election.

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Defeat is looking pretty fucking guaranteed if we stay the course. How does Biden overcome his terrible polling numbers?

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

Bruh you think replacing Biden with Gavin Newsom months out from the election will destroy Trump.

Biden stepping down helps nobody. All it does is make dems look weak and disorganized.

Biden is an incredible electoral liability. If the election were held today, he would lose. What do you think he can do to turn around the fact that 80% of the country thinks he's too old? I grant that he can hypothetically (i have zero expectation that he will actually do this) do a complete reversal on Palestine, but the voting population is still going to think he's too old because they have eyes and ears. How does he fix that?

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If you want my honest answer on how I think anyone else could become the nominee, I think Biden voluntarily steps down at the convention and we do go to a brokered convention. I don't think anyone is going to be shedding a tear for Kamala if she gets passed over, though, no matter how many times you scream about identity politics that are utterly immaterial.

Mecha_Sonic posted...

cool, let's OVERRULE THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE who are currently voting for biden/harris in the primaries. go to a BROKERED CONVENTION, and UNDEMOCRATICALLY appoint another white guy to be the nominee, INSTEAD of kamala, the first black female president. i don't think this goes down the way you think it does.

Buddy, I'm just waving a magic wand and waking up the next day to have Newsom as the nominee. If you want to talk about undemocratic practices, though, we have plenty to talk about with cancelled primaries and other blatantly undemocratic practices from the DNC that have actually happened.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

Tell me whos better then. Who is your super candidate that will destroy Trump, and dont say any democrat. I want a name.

Fine. Gavin Newsom is an extremely mixed bag, but he absolutely blows Biden out of the water. That being said, we have an extremely limited pool of candidates to talk about precisely because Biden has been pushed so hard by both the media and the DNC despite his overwhelming weakness as a candidate.

Corbenik posted...

can zoomers vote yet?

those guys are scary they really hate biden and the war in gaza
so much that they feel like bernie bros refusing to vote for hillary

Maybe Biden should stop supporting the genocide of Gaza if he wants their support

Mecha_Sonic posted...

cool, let's drag down biden and get the autocrat elected who'll kill 10x as many palestinians, and ukrainians and taiwanese to boot. great plan.

Where have I ever said that I support Trump? You're the one supporting one of the worst possible candidates to run against him, not me.

AlCalavicci posted...

TC, you still gonna vote for Biden?

If he ends up winning the primary, absolutely. He is obviously the lesser evil, but he's still evil and he's still one of the worst possible candidates to run against Trump.

uwnim posted...

It is fucking bullshit that this is the big problem.

The US supports Israel like we always do. And people act like this is totally unusual and Biden is just evil and wants to kill all the Palestinians.
While ignoring that hes telling Israel to chill out and the other guy tells Israel to kill them all.

Oh he's telling Israel to chill out? While he's continually bypassing Congress to give them even more weapons to slaughter the Palestinians with zero conditions? Israel is only allowed to get away with the shit it does because of unconditional American support, and Biden is using absolutely none of that leverage to force Israel to stop. I don't care if he doesn't believe in his heart that he supports the genocide of Palestinians, his actions indicate that he does.

Rexdragon125 posted...

>Pretends to give a shit about genocide
>Nothing to say about the guy who actually wants to be a dictator and uses Hitler speeches

Case #459238

Trump is obviously worse than Biden on policy, that's why I want him to lose. Biden is damn near the candidate that CAN lose to Trump, so I want someone that isn't him.

Tanthalas posted...

I already wasnt taking you seriously before this post.

Go ahead and deny the obvious reality. The best defense Kamala can mount is that he knew exactly what he was doing the entire time he was unconditionally supporting Israel's genocide of the Palestinians.

UnholyMudcrab posted...

So you're just, what, pulling numbers out of your ass? All this tells us is that Biden isn't performing as well as some mythical supercandidate you've made up in your head.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/6a723af5.jpg
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/7c531e6a.jpg
A generic Democrat does 8 points better against Trump. A Democrat generally needs to win the popular vote by 2% in order to win due to how fucked the Electoral College is, and he's down %. Anyone else, I beg.

FortuneCookie posted...

I hope Biden wins and then steps down.

I know I'm one of the few people who wants President Harris, but I think having a Black woman as President of the United States would be beneficial to the presidential race no matter how unpopular she is.

White supremacy becomes a losing battle once America has had multiple Black presidents. And we're overdue for a woman president. How many first world countries are there that have had exclusively male leadership?

Sometimes, you have to swallow a pill whether you like it or not.

Kamala Harris is one of the most rhetorically incapable politicians I have ever seen. She is incapable of saying anything whatsoever of substance, she always talks like a preschool teacher talking to the problem child, and she is utterly unable to challenge Trump in any way. Biden's approval rating is at 38% and that's utterly catastrophic for anyone seeking reelection, but Kamala's has been about 35% and she isn't even President. If you want a black woman to be President, pick anybody else.

K181 posted...

Democrats in presidential elections since 2000:

2000 = Loss by Gore/Lieberman
2004 = Loss by Kerry/Edwards
2008 = Win by Obama/Biden
2012 = Win by Obama/Biden
2016 = Loss by Clinton/Kaine
2020 = Win by Biden/Harris

Now, causation =/= correlation, but the presence of one name on a ticket makes the Dems 3-0 and his absence makes the Dems 0-3.

I have a hard time understanding the idea that Mr. 3-0 is somehow unelectable.

He's an unconditional supporter of one of genocide and he can barely string a sentence together. Trump is up on Biden in 7 swing states by 2-7 points when any decent candidate should be up on him by 10. To deny this is to deny the plain-faced reality in front of you.