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Garioshi posted...

I'm not talking about voting, you are. I'm talking about Biden's responsibility for the genocide he is supporting and the fact that it is going to lose him the election. If you respond to this with the same line about how I have to vote for Biden regardless of his actions, something I am not discussing, I'm going to block you.

But I truly don't get it? How could it cost him the election if he's still not as bad as Trump and the GOP? Why can't we just vote for whoever is not the GOP? Biden is responsible for his actions and we are responsible for ours. We can choose the less bad option or we can... give up and leave it to fate. I was never voting for Biden or his actions anyway.

ButteryMales posted...

Why is the worst in quotations? The genocide is the worst has been with women and children starving to death.

For emphasis. Weird to say you hate genocide, but could stomach voting for it until it was the worst yet. Will what's happening now be less bad to you if it gets worse?

ButteryMales posted...

You're not living in reality. You're living in fear and I'll take my chances with not voting for either party.

It must be nice to be so privileged that you can "take your chances"

The Republicans have loudly and openly promised to strip everyone who isn't straight, white conservative male of their human rights, and their actions in heavy red states prove they mean what they say. I don't give a fuck about the Democrats. I'm voting to stop the GOP.

ButteryMales posted...

It's just as hypocritical to be against genocide and vote for Biden when it's at the worst it has been.

Oh, so it was okay to vote in American elections, despite disgusting foreign policy our entire lifetimes because it wasn't "the worst" until now?

ButteryMales posted...

It's not heart disease. Why do you feel the need to not call genocide genocide?

Uh, I've called it genocide countless times. Israel was genociding Palestine long before 10/7. That was merely an excuse to escalate the genocide. Now since neither American party has ever gone against Israel despite the genocidal actions, I need to vote based on... literally every other issue. And the Democrats are the less bad of our only two options in 2024, an election that could easily be the last I see if we don't vote against the Republicans.

Garioshi posted...

Without question. All of them are culpable for the current situation.

So this means we don't need to vote because it's their fault if a Christofascist party destroys America and dooms everyone to suffering?

We can't just vote, so it doesn't happen? Making a point is more important than being alive? Again, the primary victims of a Biden loss are not Biden and the Democrats: It's regular Americans. I'm voting for them, not Biden.

Ricemills posted...

And you guys are proud for enabling genocide.
Is this really the stance you want to take? Genocides are fine as long it didn't affect me (yet)?

Amazing that you can convince yourself as the good guys

You're right. I should be a real good guy and go "If some people are dying, then fuck the world. All you assholes can burn!"

Garioshi posted...

Shut the fuck up. Israel would not exist without unconditional American support. Biden could end the genocide overnight by witholding aid and weapons and he has chosen not to for almost 5 months. Not only has he chosen not to end the conflict, he has gone out of his way to give Israel even more weapons than Congress will give it. The blood of tens of thousands of Palestinians is on his hands.

Does Obama also have the blood on his hands, and every President post-WW2? None of them have ever ended support of Israel. And even if Biden did, that would absolutely not end the genocide. Israel would just find another way.

Ricemills posted...

Enabling a Genocide is never an option.

And yet Americans have voted for 300 years

Ricemills posted...

Amazing that these people really think it's a good argument.

How is it not a good argument? Damage mitigation. If you can't save all lives, you take the option that saves the most lives.

Garioshi posted...

What about the guy that is fanatically supporting a genocide and refuses to use any of the mountains of leverage he has to do anything about it and has everyone in the country shouting at the top of their lungs that this is going to lose him the election

Does Biden have any agency whatsoever

Biden does have agency. And we have agency to vote against Trump out of a sense of damage mitigation and self-preservation. I'm using Biden, not voting for him because I like him. You just want to give up and then go "Well Biden should have given me more!"

Ricemills posted...

Look at this desperate straw grasping lol

Voting is a right, and every person has the right to use it as they like.

And using it to brutally murder every LGBTQ person in the country can be criticized with another right: freedom of speech.

Israel is going to genocide Palestine no matter what. Why not prevent America from genociding Americans? Is it spite?

Garioshi posted...

Maybe Biden should try to do something to make sure he wins this do-or-die election instead of actively doing things that, on top of being moral atrocities, are causing him to lose this do-or-die election

Why should we need anyone to do anything to convince us to vote for "not dying"?

We're gonna lay down and die and go "maybe the Democrats should have given us more than lesser evil"? Survival isn't just a human instinct anymore?

We are going to punish ourselves and tens of millions of innocent Americans far more than we will punish Democrat politicians. Where is the logic in that? What does that actually help? Who does it benefit?

ButteryMales posted...

Democracy is how the public holds politicians accountable.

And we don't want a say in that if those politicians don't convince us to vote? Do they also need to convince us to breathe?

Ricemills posted...

Seems you don't get it.

People are not showing up to vote because they see it's pointless.
No matter who they pick, the result still the same.
Biden or Trump, the massacre still happen.

If only there were more issues in America than Israel massacring Palestine...

If the result is the same, then you have to look at other issues and minimize damage, not give up because everyone should suffer as Gazans suffer.

Ricemills posted...

And why is that?
Why not enough people show up to vote?
Why the democrats are not encouraging the non voters to vote?

Why do parties have to encourage people to exercise their rights? Why do parties have to convince you to do what's best for survival? It's pathetic that we don't have nearly 100% turnout every election. Not voting means you don't want a say, that you don't care about your life or anyone else's.

Ricemills posted...

Voting 3rd party is also voting against Trump, and Biden.
But we don't want that, aren't we?

Is third party gonna win. Drop all this idealistic nonsense and live in the real world. Everything sucks and all we can do is choose the less shitty options and continue to survive as things slowly progress. Utilitarianism.

Ricemills posted...

Lmao

Actual good people with actual sensible morals try to minimize damage, not flip everyone the bird because they find it unfair to the dead that others are alive. In the scenario I mention, it's a trolley problem. Do you choose the track with less people, or do you walk away and leave it up to fate because you don't care anymore?

"It's Biden's fault" isn't an excuse to give up your ability to choose, your ability to mitigate damage and save some. How can anyone not choose the lesser evil 100% of the time without hesitation? There is always a worse choice.

Ricemills posted...

How about this scenario:

> Biden denounce Israel's actions, sending help to victims and mediate the war
> The uncommitted are satisfied, and theb vote for Biden
> Everyone wins, except Trumpers and pro genocide trash

But noooo, you guys reject any hope for progress.

And if Biden does none of that, we will still be morally obligated to vote for him.

ButteryMales posted...

Biden is also a rich white guy that doesn't seem to care much about ending genocide.

Well I guess we can all doom ourselves to endless suffering to really stiff it to him then! That will surely help Palestine AND teach Biden a lesson!

Guys, don't you understand how owned we are? This man has made us look so stupid by going "Nuh uh I'm not Greenmist!"

Did socialmediaisbroken already get banned again? That dude was supposed to be bringing a reckoning to GameFAQs as well once his latest purg was up.

These guys legitimately think they're Rosa Parks or someone.

"He's a war criminal, but we have to bring him to the table"

k bro

Ricemills posted...

You can keep bullying and degrading them, but just don't expect people to vote against their interest.

Apparently living is against their interests though.

2024 and the fate of the entire country on the line, and now some people are like "Is anything really worth it if both parties won't stop helping bad shit in the Middle East?"

Ricemills posted...

Ah i see, you're just posting in circle to annoy me and hope i lose control while you have that report button ready.

For the last time, i want from Biden not you.

And yes, you did ignore morality by making excuse for not caring about the Palestinian massacre. Or Israel genocide is not counts as a terrorism to you?

Do you want Israel to massacre Palestine? Or do you want Israel to massacre Palestine and America to massacre America?

Those are your options for 2024.

angeleyes94 posted...

We can deliver 3 across and 3 wide, if you don't want it delivered to a neighbor say so in the delivery instructions.

"I can't see any signs. Guess he wants it delivered to anyone in the neighborhood."

shnangyboos posted...

The sky is falling, the sky is falling!

Next you'll tell me anyone who thinks Roe v Wade is on the chopping block is crazy.

The end of life as we know it. Endless misery for millions.

"I kinda like having rights, but are they worth having an old bastard in office that stumbles over his words? I'd rather have the other old bastard who hasn't former a coherent thought in years, worships dictators and has a whole cult behind him promising to destroy everyone who disagrees with them."

The Phantom Menace

DarkDoc posted...

When you say "Too few jobs", that's another way of saying too many people for the jobs available.

Artificial scarcity of jobs doesn't prove overpopulation.

I got you for 3 MINUTES. 3 minutes of friendly conversation

JTilly posted...

Meanwhile a massive portion of the country is living paycheck to paycheck. Thats really great mr. out of touch politicians

It's very important to the entire world that Russia does not take Ukraine.

But yes, a few billion here and there would be nice for us poor scrub Americans.

S.T.R.A.N.D.

caps

Kimbos_Egg posted...

No. they were severely mentally ill though.

Maybe I'm confusing my school shooters

Doom_Art posted...

Malarkey is bad

The Trump years were full of malarkey

I want to be full of bologna instead

Kimbos_Egg posted...

did you listen to the entire song? Because it really doesn't seem like you did.

It was deflecting the nonsense "blame fest" that happened after it, that targetted everything from music, films, video games, "lack of jesus", etc, back to what it was always. Bullying.

Most of those kids bullied them. The entire school was full of them. Its not controversial to point out reality, but its much easier to blame things that can't defend themselves rather than look at yourselves/kids and admit they did something wrong.

Didn't it turn out the Columbine shooters were bullies?

Some people just want to watch the world malarkey, jack

Orange Iguanas lfg

LordMarshal posted...

I completely agree. Clearly they are wrong. You are right. You are literally a force of good fighting against evil people.

You can keep your sarcasm. There is no middle ground on LGBTQ rights

Aren't there still Roman baths in London somewhere?

Edit: They are in... Bath

Vyrulisse posted...

Games don't need to be playable forever you know.
It's okay to make a single player game that gives you a beginning and an end and you move on to other games.

Gamers: "We're adults. We don't want to play 80-100 hour open-world games over and over"

Also gamers: "So I'm just supposed to play 15-30 hours and then hang the game up? What a fucking waste of money."

Mr_Karate_II posted...

It seems like you're defending him or at the very least placing blame on someone else instead of him who's responsible for what he did.

He did the crimes and is responsible for them, but these killers are made, not born. It's no coincidence that so many of these killers were raised by abuse.

k bye

Absolute unit

Gobstoppers12 posted...

It wasn't shut down, but we've been going back and forth about it for a while now. You guys have said your part, and I've said mine. Time to address other health benefits.

Name a few other procedures that are recommended for all children, for me.

You literally said if you had a chance to prevent cancer in children, you'd do it. You were very clear about it. And then you just moved onto "ok now address phimosis and UTIs" once we saw that circumcision is deadlier than penile cancer.

Like no shit people without foreskin can't get phimosis! People without legs can't have any of the issues associated with legs either.

And what procedures are recommended for all children? Literally anything. Doctors are kind of in the business of recommending medical procedures. They just can't choose for you.

I'm not even sure who "Biden isn't a good guy" is supposed to be directed at.

You have people going "this Israel shit sucks and the Democrats suck, but they are far better than the alternative" and then you have this other group of leftists going "Well actually did you know Biden sucks? You should vote for him since he isn't Trump, but don't forget he's evil!"

Like... thanks for restating the obvious like you were revealing a truth?

Don't you like how Gob just casually dropped gave up on the cancer angle when it was shut down? As soon as we saw circumcision kills more people than penile cancer, it was "Oh but people without foreskin have less of a chance of tight foreskin! Checkmate!"

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Nothing I've said is against science.

They don't recommend routine circumcision because it should be the decision of the parents. The analysis tends to say that there are many benefits to the procedure that outweigh any risk, but it's up to the parents to choose.

Uh, I'm pretty sure all pediatric medical procedures are up to the parents. Doctors don't rip the kids out of their arms and treat them. Yet they recommend many and circumcision isn't one of them.

Katanablade posted...

I noticed it, but just chose to be quiet about it, until now.

I think the post you quoted actually proves the very point the TC was trying to make. So un-suaded are those people from considering oppositional viewpoints, that they believe that their stances are dogmatically correct.

Im centre wing myself, but there has been the odd time ive heard a left wing viewpoint on a subject and thought to myself "actually they've got a valid point there, i never considered that". But those people you will never get through to, because they stubbornly refuse to hear anything that goes outside of their narrative. I think Bruce Lee put it best

A wise man can learn more from a fool, than a fool can from a wise man

Sorry that I think human rights are indisputable, bruh. I feel really dumb that I haven't considered that maybe Christian conservatives have a point and maybe I have too many rights.

neccis posted...

Watch what happens when I say the sky is blue in this place.

Gob isn't saying the sky is blue. He is insisting circumcision has countless health benefits and then completely ignoring any post that isn't a personal jab.

It's basically the anti-vaxxer thing where you ignore every hard question and study that challenges your stance and then go "Why do you have nothing but insults?" when you get insulted.