Current Events > Ron Johnson (R-WI) says Putin will not lose war; votes against Ukraine aid

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wackyteen
02/13/24 11:19:17 AM
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https://www.newsweek.com/ron-johnson-ukraine-aid-putin-not-lose-war-1869386

Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson has elaborated on his decision to go against a measure to allow the House of Representatives to vote for further aid to Ukraine, saying that Russia's leader Vladimir Putin "will not lose the war."
On Monday night, a bipartisan coalition of senators approved motions to push forward a package of further aid to countries including Ukraine and Israel. Senators voted in a majority to end dilatory debate on the $95 billion package, setting up a final vote for early Tuesday morning to send it to the House. Johnson, a Republican, was among a large group of GOP senators who voted against it.
Speaking on conservative news network Real America's Voice, Johnson said that, while Putin was "a war criminal", some of the things the Russian president said in his interview with former Fox News host Tucker Carlson, that aired last week, were right.
"Our policy should be focused on how do we bring Vladimir Putin to the table," Johnson said.
"We're cutting off our nose to spite our face with some of these sanctions," he added, saying that it was making American dollars less important as Russia starts to trade in other currencies.
Johnson said: "A lot of the points that Vladimir Putin made are accurate. They're obvious, and so many of our people here in Washington D.C. are just ignoring that, making people believe like Ukraine can win. Putin won't lose. Putin will not lose. He's not going to lose."
Johnson added that people needed to accept this reality to deal with the war and bring it to a close.
Newsweek contacted representatives for Johnson by email for comment.
The package politicians are deliberating would allocate $60 billion in aid to Ukraine's military operation, $14 billion to Israel and US military operations in the region and more than $8 billion to US partners in the Indo-Pacific region, including Taiwan. It also allocates nearly $10 billion for humanitarian efforts in Ukraine, Israel and Gaza.
Republicans have long argued that any additional aid to Ukraine should be tied to additional border security funding, amid soaring encounters on the southern border.

In a statement, Republican House Speaker Mike Johnson criticized the deal, and said it lacked border security provisions. "House Republicans were crystal clear from the very beginning of discussions that any so-called national security supplemental legislation must recognize that national security begins at our own border," he said.
He added: "America deserves better than the Senate's status quo."
On Monday, Senate majority leader Chuck Schumer, a New York Democrat, said the weekend votes demonstrated "beyond doubt that there's strong support" for advancing the foreign aid package.
Schumer said: "These are the enormously high stakes of the supplemental package: our security, our values, our democracy. It is a down payment for the survival of western democracy and the survival of American values."
He added: "The entire world is going to remember what the Senate does in the next few days. Nothingnothingwould make Putin happier right now than to see Congress waver in its support for Ukraine; nothing would help him more on the battlefield."
During his interview with Carlson, which represented the first time the Russian leader was interviewed by Western media since Russia launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, Putin suggested that Russia was open to peace talks with Ukraine, but claimed that the United States was getting in the way.

40 years ago, this would be tantamount to treason

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FortuneCookie
02/13/24 11:22:01 AM
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He should be made to enlist in the Russian army. He can do his best work from the frontline.
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darkace77450
02/13/24 11:28:35 AM
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Is he a traitor because he's aiding and abetting our adversary or because he plotted a coup against our government? Just kidding; it's both.
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Guns_of_Verdun
02/13/24 11:30:44 AM
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creativerealms
02/13/24 11:33:52 AM
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He would be happy if we were aiding Russia.

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FighterMcWar
02/13/24 11:38:33 AM
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Maybe maybe not. Part of the problem now is that the advisors to these politicians are part of or influenced by less savory parts of the internet that are absolutely inundated with Russian bots. I'll give the Russians one thing, instead of hacking the Gibson they spam korean underwater basket weaving forums and boomerbook with disinformation and get way better results.

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darkace77450
02/13/24 11:42:52 AM
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FighterMcWar posted...
Part of the problem now is that the advisors to these politicians are part of or influenced by less savory parts of the internet that are absolutely inundated with Russian bots

Ron Johnson once spent the 4th of July weekend in Moscow. I don't think we can dismiss this as Russian online ops.
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OmegaShinkai
02/13/24 11:50:32 AM
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wackyteen posted...
Johnson added that people needed to accept this reality to deal with the war and bring it to a close.
"Just accept that an entire country is going to be wiped off the map because Putin said it was a mistake and doesn't deserves to exist"
what a traitorous piece of shit
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Zikten
02/13/24 11:55:54 AM
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Ukraine could win if we went all in on support. Instead of this piecemeal drip bullshit. We should have given them everything they need on day 1. But I also think we should have just joined the war. This shit won't end until someone stops Russia. We should be sending US troops to march on Moscow.
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Metal_Gear_Raxis
02/13/24 12:05:58 PM
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Zikten posted...
But I also think we should have just joined the war. This s*** won't end until someone stops Russia. We should be sending US troops to march on Moscow.
No, absolutely fucking not. I'm all for unrestrained aid to Ukraine, but putting American boots on the ground could lead to nuclear war. The goal isn't to invade Russia proper, it's to bleed Putin dry until he has to give up.

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andel
02/13/24 12:10:41 PM
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Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...
No, absolutely fucking not. I'm all for unrestrained aid to Ukraine, but putting American boots on the ground could lead to nuclear war. The goal isn't to invade Russia proper, it's to bleed Putin dry until he has to give up.

this. we can't directly go to war with russia, that would be insane. we do have to strongly support ukraine though and help them win the war through a strong coalition of material aid with whatever they need.

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ItsNotA2Mer
02/13/24 12:11:20 PM
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wackyteen posted...
40 years ago, this would be tantamount to treason

It's treason right now. But I get what you're saying.

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Zikten
02/13/24 12:29:36 PM
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Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...
No, absolutely fucking not. I'm all for unrestrained aid to Ukraine, but putting American boots on the ground could lead to nuclear war. The goal isn't to invade Russia proper, it's to bleed Putin dry until he has to give up.
I do not believe any Russian nukes exist. They all became unusable likely decades ago
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superbot400
02/13/24 12:34:56 PM
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He could already be, but the FBI is being secret about it. They cant public announce it without backlash.

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Metal_Gear_Raxis
02/13/24 12:37:49 PM
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Zikten posted...
I do not believe any Russian nukes exist. They all became unusable likely decades ago
We aren't even close to the point where gambling on that is necessary. Ukraine can win if we offer them the kind of aid they actually need.

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opopopza
02/13/24 12:52:47 PM
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I don't think Ukraine will get a total victory in the war, but I wouldn't consider that a win for Putin. Putin can move the goal posts if he likes to call it a success, but everyone will know the truth that they embarrassed themselves.

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Starks
02/13/24 12:54:09 PM
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Zikten posted...
I do not believe any Russian nukes exist. They all became unusable likely decades ago
They only need one. Do you want to take that bet?

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Zikten
02/13/24 1:13:00 PM
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Starks posted...
They only need one. Do you want to take that bet?
Well I'm in the first state they would attack probably. They have recently been buzzing Alaska's coast with fighter jets. And talking about wanting to take Alaska back. But I think we shouldn't let fear control us. Letting Russia do anything they want just cause they say "I have a nuke! Stop! Don't interfere!" Is fucked up
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aarrgus
02/13/24 1:14:10 PM
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Wisconsin?

*ahem*

Ron Johnson is a cheese eating surrender monkey.

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itcheyness
02/13/24 1:16:01 PM
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aarrgus posted...
Wisconsin?

*ahem*

Ron Johnson is a cheese eating surrender monkey.
Hey, leave the cheese out of it!

There's a reason why r/Wisconsin's go-to phrase is Fuck Ron Johnson...

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CRON
02/13/24 1:18:23 PM
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The most fucked up part about all of this is that all of these politicians who sold themselves out for Russia ultimately did it for stupid shit like vacations and relatively small amounts of money. Treason doesn't have a price but you know damn well some of these out-of-touch ghouls allowed themselves to be bought out for like $50K.

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TheGoldenEel
02/13/24 1:26:29 PM
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CRON posted...
The most fucked up part about all of this is that all of these politicians who sold themselves out for Russia ultimately did it for stupid shit like vacations and relatively small amounts of money. Treason doesn't have a price but you know damn well some of these out-of-touch ghouls allowed themselves to be bought out for like $50K.
Its more likely Russia has information on them that could destroy their careers or put them in prison

remember they hacked the emails of the RNC and DNC, but chose to only leak those of the DNC. Who knows whats in those RNC emails?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_National_Committee_cyber_attacks

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aarrgus
02/13/24 1:31:29 PM
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TheGoldenEel posted...
Its more likely Russia has information on them that could destroy their careers or put them in prison

remember they hacked the emails of the RNC and DNC, but chose to only leak those of the DNC. Who knows whats in those RNC emails?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_National_Committee_cyber_attacks

Kompromat as it were... The GOP is completely compromised by the Russians...

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Kradek
02/13/24 1:35:42 PM
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"Daddy Vladdy got this in the baggy, baby" ~ Ron Johnson

Seriously, though, what the fuck is wrong with Wisconsin? Why are you not able to divest yourself from not only one of the dumbest motherfuckers in government, but also blatantly evil and corrupt? Was electing a black guy as the alternative really too much for the people of that state?

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Guide
02/13/24 1:37:43 PM
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Zikten posted...
Ukraine could win if we went all in on support. Instead of this piecemeal drip bullshit. We should have given them everything they need on day 1. But I also think we should have just joined the war. This shit won't end until someone stops Russia. We should be sending US troops to march on Moscow.

That would defeat the purpose of funding Ukraine and having them do it for us. It's cheaper and safer for the US this way.

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ScazarMeltex
02/13/24 1:45:51 PM
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Starks posted...
They only need one. Do you want to take that bet?
Welp, better let them do whatever they want from now till the end of time then.

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voldothegr8
02/13/24 1:47:03 PM
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DirkDiggles
02/13/24 2:15:49 PM
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This must be the third of Jack Daniels talking.

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ZMythos
02/13/24 2:21:52 PM
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As a Wisconsinite, I speak on behalf of everyone who has ever lived in or set foot in our state.

Fuck Ron Johnson.

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Tyranthraxus
02/13/24 2:23:35 PM
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TheGoldenEel posted...
Who knows whats in those RNC emails?

Julian Assange does!

He neglected to release them when he did the DNC because "it wasn't interesting trust me bro"

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02/13/24 2:42:14 PM
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Deutschenlied
02/13/24 2:45:17 PM
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"He's a war criminal, but we have to bring him to the table"

k bro

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BoomerTheGreat
02/13/24 3:50:22 PM
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We really need to find out who's funding who in the government.

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Roachmeat
02/13/24 4:00:21 PM
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'No'

I imagine the Kremlin would want to save their money on other things rather than paying off every GoP member who could easily a kiss a ring for free.

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Solar_Crimson
02/13/24 4:09:43 PM
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ItsNotA2Mer posted...
It's treason right now. But I get what you're saying.
Too bad no one in charge seems interested in doing anything about it, though.

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Kradek
02/13/24 6:25:25 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Julian Assange does!

He neglected to release them when he did the DNC because "it wasn't interesting trust me bro"

The fact that happened made it impossible for me to take people seriously when they'd fellatiate Assange/Wikileaks afterwards. It really showed that he doesn't just "release damning information on everybody because he doesn't take sides", it shows that he did indeed take a side. Given what's happened since 2016 there's way it was "uninteresting" and "no new information the public doesn't already know", which I think are the terms he used.

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ItsNotA2Mer
02/13/24 6:37:47 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
Too bad no one in charge seems interested in doing anything about it, though.

Isn't that the sad fucking truth.

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