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Dark Corners of the Earth
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Todd merc who replaces someone's brain with curds and whey
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You also have to remember King during the 80s was on so much cocaine he can't remember writing some of his books
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Incidentally I'd also put Superman around an 8, given well...he takes a ridiculous shit kicking from Zod that involves being punched all over space and still doesn't wind up with a scratch
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Zod wearing a power limiter punched Superman across a city and through a skyscraper. Zod without a limiter literally took a chokeslam from orbit and was fine. Your Zod disrespect is bizarre
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Rearrange it. Buttercup/Thor/Dio/Gipsy vs Him/Zod/Mechagodzilla/Cloverfield in Manhattan?

You're still going to wind up with Buttercup and Him breaking off for a squabble, then you have a flying brick vs a flying brick and two giants vs a giant and Dio
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random.org says: Buttercup, Thor, Gipsy Danger and General Zod have challenged DIO, Him, Mechagodzilla and the Cloverfield Monster! Location, Rainbow Bridge

That sounds absolutely hilarious
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Yeah, I went with the ending you did mainly because there was nothing to Warren's theory except a guess based on him being Warren

Also no way I was letting Chloe die after she saved Max from Evil Bitch Max. That was great
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We need another exhibition match. We've never seen the high tiers used

Also looking at the abilities, I really want Shrek vs Wilson Fisk in a small room
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Now Diana as seen in Wonder Woman sounds interesting. At that stage she barely has much in the way of experience, but she can still go "Fuck you, you're making me late for my bus" to an entire army
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Unless she has showings in Batman vs Superman (I've never seen it), don't know why she'd be an 8 based off of the last movie. Mainly she just no-sells World War I gunners, then beats Ares in an even enough fight
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If you were curious, here's the current 'nerfed' Zod (he ditches the suit in the following scene, which causes him to start amping up on sunlight)


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He's completely unquantifiable, yeah. Either he reality warps and you can't even fight him or he doesn't and he accomplishes nothing. Kind of like Freddy that way
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I remember people complaining that Zod without a limiter in place would be too good for Mercs at all *shrug*
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Yup
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Zod was mine. I put a blurb in the build that his solar level will always be constant. Which as I recall the suit does anyway, but yeah
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He gets knocked out by a handgun all the way back in the first movie
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Movie Logan isn't that bad. Guns at least hurt him, even if they don't kill him (mainly because no one is ever smart enough to keep shooting him after the first shot)
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Nix might be a 5 upon watching Lord of Illusions again. Then again that's a pretty good ability he has too

Jacob Goodnight is probably a 3. No way he's on Jason's level and Jason's a 4
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Done. Roster everyone
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Dracula steals Lightning

Star Soul Powah
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Hold that card. Use Webspinner

Roll it
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Harth
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The most logical thing to me at this point would be to just call the whole damn thing a no-contest since someone or another is getting screwed here for reasons they probably shouldn't have (granted this is more me, but this is where *I* would go with it if I were an admin regardless). But Mercs gonna Mercs, I...really don't care. Going to sleep, night yall
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As the biggest Kain dehyper in M4 (hello Mr. "Kain is slow and terrible at swordsmanship") that's uproarious coming from you.
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(Incidentally one or the other. I whoopsed on him being able to do the KO twice, but same effect in the end)
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Didn't think he'd look that far into it, just "Yeah better get Dante Solos (and Kuja Solos to a lesser degree) off the board". I was right.
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I did this entire thing with the prior Lightning ruling in mind and that Tiro would in fact hose himself if he wanted to use Terry, so that super special fucks me based on using a prior ruling as my go-forward.

But y'know, 'Mercs'
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Pardon the odd quote, dumb phone
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Which is hilariously the way I thought it worked way back when I Lopen posted...

For the record the big reason I disagree with Scion altering rosterability status inherently is because it has Start of Battle timing, meaning it's not actually resolving before rosters are sent and thus can't actually alter rosterability status. That's kinda why the mechanics are weird on it.

Like say for example you used an ability nullifying Start of Battle used vs Kain. What happens then? Kain's in this weird state where if he's rostered, your roster works, and if he's not, your roster doesn't work, so it kinda needs to be in such a way where it's more like "here's a suggested number, and you send whatever roster you want, and if you don't obey the number you suffer consequences (if this ability goes off)"

Which is hilariously the way I thought Kain worked back on week 1 when I got hosed. 'Oops'
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I feel like we established forever ago that tinkering with match stipulations ala Kain =/= affecting the mercs fighting, but I can't go hunting for it as I am on a phone 8n sunny Italy, 'so'
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Triple Tech. Crono/Alice/Dante: Party's Getting Crazy
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Summarizing since I'm barely here to argue, Archer is mighty (even by my own admission), but he's also up against people who can obliterate him via his one glaring weakness, the terrain does not favor him, and my backup is stronger in general, by numbers and by power.

There, now let me vamoose, goddammit
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Even assuming this is the case, it doesn't change the other matter that all of this AoE from Dracula is still liable to hit Archer by proximity given what the terrain is. You'd still have Archer dealing with that, with Kuja, with whoever is meleeing him. Even if I don't think the melee will bother him (it's a distraction at best), Drac or Kuja hitting him magic? Yeah, that's gonna suck.

If Archer drops I think this one is more or less over, since I firmly take Sora over Cloud and anyone on my side over Terra. That's less Terra disrespect even, more "Drac, Sora, Kuja are all mightily over her head." Alice slightly less so, but she has Invincible Banshee Mode to fall back on. I see that catching Terra way the hell off guard if it comes to it.
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This has been Volume #879 of DC Hates Stupid Out of Character Mercs Scenarios. Now I need to nap and catch a plane. Toots
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So why doesn't she turn Esper in the cutscene where Kefka finally tells them to stop being self-help booklets and everyone throws down? She could have. She had the ability. She does not, she fights him as bog-standard Terra (at least as far as cutscenes go).

So why? I'll answer, because she's fucking Terra and the only way she doesn't go to Trance as a last resort is by adopting the mighty GameFAQs Terra routine that she always seems to sprout when it's required. Otherwise she is Terra, Queen Weeniegirl who will Trance if pushed, but otherwise no, she ain't starting this match by Trancing and flying, except in a perfect narrative where that's the way she wins and damn everything else pointing to the fact she's Terra.
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Given she was fighting God Kefka at the time, you'd think that would be a *pretty* good time to go full steam ahead. She does not. She clearly *could* have, except it's Terra and goddammit she had to stand there and ramble to Kefka about love and hugs. She turns Esper later when it became apparent not doing so would mean the messy death of the entire party, but Terra in no way, shape or form shows that she would go "Killbot Terra awaaaaay!", even when confronted with a final boss where it *really* would have helped with.
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By end-game she does not bust out the Esper powers cutscene-wise until after Kefka had been beaten and his tower was about to collapse on everyone's heads. Then she loses them entirely.
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Wanglicious posted...

she can morph and fly immediately as the fight starts.
why would she not morph and fly immediately as the fight starts.

Since when the hell does Terra start a fight and go "Fuck yeah, time to Trance out and go full power now!". It's Terra.
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Probably the universe where this fight has plopped you horrifically close to the other side, casting takes longer than swinging your sword and swinging your sword will keep people from killing you. I can see her casting if she can make some room, but given the immediate situation, that room needs to be made. She has immediate options for it (and clearly brought her equipment to this fight to play hybrid, given the Genji Armor and her super special bonus sword).
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Ain't the same as "Derp berserker Terra is stupid", if that's where you're going. But if she's going to start out this damn close, and no, she can't immediately fly, why isn't this her immediate reaction? Not like she's Kuja where being a mage is her sole gimmick.
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Honestly the more logical thing to do is for her to melee at this range, since who the hell thinks it's a good idea to cast in a fight beginning at eight paces? Same reasoning I don't see Archer opening with his damn arrows. He's proven quite content to use his melee if he thinks it'll work, and this fight is practically crowding him with bodies.
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No, it means that it's very unlikely Terra starts this match and immediately goes "Oh shit, better Trance and fly away!". I think she's far more likely to at least try some standard tactics first, like hitting things with her basic spells. Or maybe it's as you originally said and she tries to wind up Holy versus the vampire. Either case ends badly for her since Dracula is way the hell faster than her on everything but her weakest spells, of which he's too tanky to care. Maybe then she'd Trance, but with how hard Dracula's stuff hits, she's probably dead by then, or at least maimed.
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"Basic flying backwards" is something she isn't even capable of until she goes Trance. I feel like this argument comes up in every match with Terra where she's treated like Esper at All Times and not a ground based combatant who also goes Trance when it's needed.
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I'd still like to hear what exactly Terra is doing here. Charging Dissidia Holy? Charging FF6 Holy? These were the two initially presented options, and both of them are going to get her smacked. I also find them likely, given she has no idea what Dracula can actually do, only that there's a bloody vampire over there and it would probably be a good idea to Holy it.

Going immediately to Trance and flying away? First, I find it unlikely she does this and gets out of Dodge faster than Drac's spells (particularly the *really* fast stuff like Megiddo). Second, I find it out of character for her. Terra is scared of that Esper shit in the best of times. She only goes to it in FF6 because all of her friends were going to die horrifically if she didn't. Nothing at all about Terra's personality makes me think she would start a match and go "Gotta killbot mode now!"
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I think that's an overcomplication to avoid the fact that Sora literally covers the distance that the teams here are going to occupy in 3 seconds. And that's with the player wasting time swinging his Keyblade at nothing.
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Not in the slightest. I think you could fit three spaces of "Sora to Darkside" in the span of Dracula's throne room.
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From eight steps out, does it matter? No, unless you're giving Terra reflexes akin to the Flash. And additionally backpedaling as fast as your feet can carry you from the original idea of her opening with a spell, not Trance and dodge.
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At this distance? Most of em. The barrage of dark energy balls would hit her. The flame geysers under her feet would. The tiny, speedy fireballs wouldn't exactly damage her (even I give Terra that much credit), but they're also way too fast to get away from at this range.

Those are all first form stuff, of course. We never actually do specify *what* form Drac starts in, but if we roll with the second form, he can literally take a hop backwards and hit most of this terrain with acid. Again, much too fast to reasonably avoid, let alone Trance and *then* avoid. Somehow.
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"Flying?" The teams start nearly on top of each other and she does not begin in Trance. Don't grant her abilities she doesn't have, sirrah.
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