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Zeus posted...

Killing Christians is more of a Muslim and atheist thing than a Hindu thing.

WTF you talkin' 'bout? I've never heard of atheists killing Christians ever.
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Revelation34 posted...

How does knowing what a satire site is make them a progressive liberal?

It doesn't. That person is a progressive liberal for other reasons which are not evident in this particular picture.
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rogerskg1979 posted...

Then she said something like how she loves reading the Onion because they are not afraid to tell the news like it really is. I couldn't help it then, and I did bust out laughing.

To be fair, sometimes articles from The Onion do actually present a more accurate picture of the world than real news, despite those articles being completely fake. For example, take the following article:

15 Years In Environment Of Constant Fear Somehow Fails To Rehabilitate Prisoner
https://www.theonion.com/15-years-in-environment-of-constant-fear-somehow-fails-1819576202

Totally, completely, 100% fake, and yet at the same time also more real than anything you'll ever hear from Fox News.
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I'm on Asura in FFXI if you ever want to try out that game... :)
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Red_Frog posted...

That is one creepy toy, it will surely haunt my worst nightmares for the next 20 minutes or so.

Wait until someone inevitably does a custom mod on one to make it look like a Garbage Pail Kid...
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I just realized... this is probably the most expensive bridge ever built. That many touch screens can't be cheap...
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LinkPizza posted...

DrCidd posted...

Anyone who can't tell the difference between a piece of glass you can see through and a touch screen deserves to be scared of this.

If it was made well, it might be hard to tell. Especially since some may not be looking at it closely.

Not to mention it probably had a camera on the other side so that the screen could display whatever was actually beneath it, thereby making it even harder to tell that it wasn't just glass.
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https://imgur.com/6YKrKkX
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BlazeAndBlade posted...

but would she let him watch Pinocchio since it had slavery in the film?

Say what?
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Greetings!
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GanglyKhan posted...

the cost of living just traps people into being there their whole life.

Wouldn't cost of living trap people out, rather than in?
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Entity13 posted...

I mean, X (and X-2 by extension) was just was much of a hallway simulator.

Yeah, and that was the primary reason why I hated FFX. Hallway environments are an unforgivable sin in game design.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Maybe. Or maybe it's depressing that a major part of somebody's life would be escapism, not actually living.

And what sort of activities would qualify as "actually living" in your opinion?
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Oh yes, development of entertainment media totally makes you a revolutionary to be noted on tomes for millennia. Dude isn't even the most influential person in 2018.

It's funny because you're trying to be sarcastic, but what you just said is actually unironically true.
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IAmNowGone posted...

Ff15 fucking sucked. Honestly 13 > 15

You think a tunnel simulator is better than an actual game?
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wwinterj25 posted...

I was born in 86 so maybe? I don't actually know.

^This is me. :X
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Keebs05 posted...

Based on birth date: yes
Based on mindset: no

Millennials can be incredibly conservative. Hell, I'd argue there's probably more conservative millennials than conservative baby boomers.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

Hell I've been told you aren't even supposed to inhale but rather just let the smoke roll around in your mouth.

How do you get the smoke into your mouth without inhaling at least a little bit?
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Revelation34 posted...

That was sarcasm using his own logic.

It was certainly sarcasm, but you did not use my logic. Not even close.
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ReturnOfFa posted...

But yes, if someone films themselves performing bigoted acts within video games and reveling in it, then yes, they are a bigoted person, I'd assume.

Yes, this topic is primarily about the actions of a player, not a developer. And thank you. At least someone here gets it.
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LinkPizza posted...

One part of the definition of abductive reasoning says, This process, unlike deductive reasoning, yields a plausible conclusion but does not positively verify it. So, assuming basically...

Yeah, technically, but come on. There's more than enough evidence in this case to draw a definitive conclusion.
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LinkPizza posted...

But youre assuming. Youre assuming they arent trying to make a political statement. And you're assuming he is. You donf Know for sure. Youre are literally assuming...

I'm not assuming, I'm using abductive reasoning. It's not hard to do if you understand how formal logic works.
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dioxxys posted...

Actually no wrong if you cared more about anything then being wrong then you would know that he disclosed the reason is that he was trying to enjoy peace and quiet and buy something from a vendor at the time and the woman was being annoying and loud

That sounds to me like he's just lying to cover his ass after all the public criticism he received. If he was truly just trying to silence an NPC for being loud and obnoxious in his vicinity when he was trying to focus on something else, then he would have just shot the NPC then and there and be done with it. Instead, he goes out of his way to kill the NPCs in very brutal and time-consuming ways that would only inconvenience him even more (throwing them off cliffs, feeding them to alligators, etc.). Also, in some of the videos (yes, there's more than one), he's clearly just running around not doing anything else, and then approaches the feminist NPCs deliberately. In some cases he wasn't even within audible range of the NPC before he approached her and started attacking her, so his claim that the NPCs were just annoying him by creating distracting noise is a load of horseshit.

Here's just one example:



As you can clearly see, there's no way that NPC could have possibly been distracting him from anything. So he's a bigot and a liar.

LinkPizza posted...

You know, I was wondering about this. I was going to watch the video when I got home, but I was wondering if it was because they were doing something like that...

There were actually multiple videos of him killing feminists in the game. It wasn't just one time. See my response to dioxxys above.
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GreenKnight127 posted...

maybe you are just doing it for dark, sarcastic, edgy humor to make your friends in the room gasp.

Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and say that's not okay either, and that would still qualify as bigotry.
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Revelation34 posted...

Killing a prostitute in GTA to get your money back means you will do it in real life.

That's different because there's a mechanical gameplay advantage to doing that: you get your health restored and you get to keep your money. Therefore it can be argued that someone who kills prostitutes after having sex with them in GTA is not attempting to make any kind of political statement, but rather is just trying to maximize their in-game utility. There is no mechanical gamplay advantage to killing feminists in RDR2. In fact, there's actually a disadvantage because killing feminists lowers your honor meter in the game.
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ComradeSeraphim posted...

What did you do?

I told them the truth, they told me I should ease off, I refused.

The truth as in god is not real or the truth as in catholics are the one true denomination?

That's not the truth though...


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minervo posted...

Once I submitted my whole life to Jesus, I died in Him. My old heart passed away, and I was given a new heart.

So what you're telling me is... Jesus made you into a cyborg? Dude, that's badass!

minervo posted...

So I was deciphered a woman's dream; she, of course, cursed me for it.

I'll assume you meant to say that you deciphered a woman's dream there, and the word "was" was just a typo. But what was the dream and your interpretation of it?

minervo posted...

I told a man the error of his ways when he gave up on a woman. He nearly lost his mind.

Lost his mind? You mean he got mad at you? Maybe you gave him bad advice? Without knowing why he gave up on the woman or what you said his error allegedly was, it's impossible to say who was in the right here.

minervo posted...

This is why I need to be careful what I say. Regardless, it's in the past now, and I need to move on.

There's a saying I like which goes, "It's not what you say, but how you say it." Maybe you just need to learn how to express yourself in a way that doesn't upset people? Just a thought. ;)
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You can tell us what happened without violating anyone's privacy. Just change the names.
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Lokarin posted...

Who do you think is picking the pumpkins for your pumpkin spice latte?

Robots?
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What if he actually does care and isn't pretending?
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SmokeMassTree posted...

Production quality on porn is really getting better

This is the correct answer.
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Chuck Norris.
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LeetCheet posted...

Who gives a shit about non-issues like this when we have much much more pressing issues like global warming that threatens our very existence.

Do you want to survive? I sure as hell want to and I assume you want as well.

I mean, what's more important: our planet(and our own survival) or shit some guy did in a videogame?
What should we prioritize on, in your opinion?

We can do both.
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BlackScythe0 posted...

Is it not bigotry against white people?

Nope, because he didn't kill those NPCs for being white, he killed them for being members of the KKK.
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BlackScythe0 posted...

Then what could be drawn from that youtube link you gave that also shows dude killing the KKK?

That's also a political statement, but it's a good one. ;)
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LinkPizza posted...

He didnt make it political by attacking them. You made it political by assuming he was making a political statement.

Nope. He was clearly making a political statement. It's not hard to see. Stop being dense.
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LinkPizza posted...

So, anyone who unlocked the Dastardly Trophy is RDR is sexist, apparently...

Also, why do you keep trying to make this political?

That achievement doesn't specify a feminist. It just says any woman. It's clearly just an homage to those old-time black and white short films, with no political baggage attached.

And I'm not making it political. It was already political from the start. The YouTuber who created the series of videos made a political statement by attacking NPCs for their political viewpoints.
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LinkPizza posted...

Wrong. People just do whatever gets them more views on their videos. And they know their viewers better than anyone else. And what their viewers would find funny. What you do in a video game doesnt reflect how you would act in the real world. Youre just assuming to know other people or how they think because of a video game. And that in itself is wrong.

It might not necessarily correlate directly to his behavior in the real world, but it's still indicative of his mindset. In other words, I don't believe this YouTuber would ever go out and actually kill feminists in real life simply because he kept killing them in a video game, but the fact that he did it the video game proves that he is opposed to the feminist viewpoint, and opposition to equal rights is inherently problematic. The fact that there are other sexist bigots online who find such things to be funny is no excuse.
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GanglyKhan posted...

Why is it okay to kill civilians and guards in a game but not a feminist?

It's not that he killed a feminist NPC that's the issue. The issue is that he killed the NPC because she was feminist, which means he was making a political statement against feminism, and that's a no-go.
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GanglyKhan posted...

So is it that he made a video showcasing it or that he killed the character to begin with? Or something else? Because those are two entirely different things.

If I end up having to do something that one could view as being bigoted, but only for the sake of say, getting a trophy, or unlocking a new ending, is that still bigoted? Am I to suspend my want for playing the game fully because of that?

It's the fact that he killed the character for no other reason than because the character expressed feminist viewpoints. If he had done the same thing but not uploaded the video, he still would have been a sexist bigot, but nobody would have known about it.

And if you have to commit bigotted actions to unlock content in the game (which isn't the case here), then the responsibility for the bigotry there would fall on the developer rather than the player.
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GanglyKhan posted...

Except bigotry and political statements aren't mutually exclusive items. This also now means that you possibly believe some lives to have more importance than others.

I never said they were mutually exclusive, and no it doesn't.
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LinkPizza posted...

I want you to prove he has those views. Youre just assuming he does because of something he did in a video game.

Uh... His actions in the game are the proof. A person who supported equal rights wouldn't have made such videos.
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BlackScythe0 posted...

What did it say about me when after beating morrowwind I decided to go around and kill all the guards and townspeople?

Nothing, because there's no political statement to be drawn from that.
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ComradeSeraphim posted...

Stop being dense, both of you. If he expressed those opinions, that means he has those views. The fact that he chose a video game as his medium of expression doesn't change that.

No it doesnt. Or do you have proof?

You want me to prove that expressions of bigotry are indicitave of bigotted views? Really?
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Revelation34 posted...

ComradeSeraphim posted...

I take it you haven't heard about the recent controversy with a prominent YouTuber getting banned (and then later unbanned) for killing feminist NPCs in RDR2.

Prove that they would actually do that in real life then.

That's not the point. Even if they wouldn't do it in real life, the fact that they expressed such bigotry in a game proves they have bigotted viewpoints, and that's the problem.
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

are people who kill in video games also murderers?
are people who steal in video games thiefs?

Obviously not. Those things are completely different from being sexist in a video game.
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Kigalas posted...

Theres also the Brotherhood anime thing. Nothing like telling a cohesive story in a video game using multiple media types and not telling the players about it.

Oh yeah, the FFXV anime. You should probably watch that too, papercup.


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Revelation34 posted...

Because it is just a game. That's how it works. I already showed how your logic is shit before anyway.

LinkPizza posted...

But it is just a game... I dont see the problem. Its not like we know whether or not he has those views.

Stop being dense, both of you. If he expressed those opinions, that means he has those views. The fact that he chose a video game as his medium of expression doesn't change that.

Lokarin posted...

By that logic the Bible is pro-murder, pro-abortion, pro-racism and pro-genocide

Indeed it is. People really ought to stop using such a terrible book as their standard of morality.

LinkPizza posted...

Jesus killed a kid for splashing a pool of water. And another kid for bumping into him. I guess we need to ban the Bible...

I don't remember those verses...
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What did you do?
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BlackScythe0 posted...

Are you trying to argue that the people who made red dead redemption 2 are misogynists because of what a player did in their game?

No, I'm saying that the player is a misogynist. There were people who tried to defend his actions on the grounds that "it's just a game."
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