Lurker > COVxy

Everyone shouldn't do the same thing.

Only being semi facetious, since the general idea is actually poignant, which is that everyone has different motivations and weightings.
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Congrats!
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Probably a couple of lines in R, tbh.

As with most statistics, the trouble is in interpretation, not implementation. If you understand well enough to interpret result, there almost certainly is a software package that will perform the test with no true understanding of the underlying mathematics.
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Godnorgosh posted...

COVxy posted...

Not being facetious, that's a decent estimation.

I knew you were serious about the estimation, I just didn't know whether you were being facetious about 13 years not being a long process.

Oh, I see what you mean. I was actually posing that question to TC literally, not in the colloquial way of (why do you think this when it is obviously that?).

In other words, the bottom of my post was demonstrating how long the process is, and the question to TC was to get him to think critically as to why that much training might be needed and why that prevents people from developing an authority on the subject just by free time reading.
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Not being facetious, that's a decent estimation.
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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

They don't need to go study textbooks like TC is suggesting, but they should at least be able to read the actual studies being referenced, not just CNNs article "XY Causes/Prevents Cancer!!!!!"

Also, the actual studies are a much more difficult hurdle than the textbooks. Anyone can sit down and read through a textbook. The studies require (most often) a large amount of background knowledge and training to understand.

That's not to say that people shouldn't try, especially since the studies that the public usually gets really excited about are ones that are pretty accessible to the layman.
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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

5 years of grad school??? Maybe if you are a dunce lol

5 years is the average graduation rate for science PhD programs, yes.
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Why do you think that training to be a scientist is such a long process?

There's 4 years of undergrad, ~5 years of grad, ~4 years of postdoc. Then you get your first real job. ~13 years of training.
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Verdekal posted...

The point is anyone can or should be able to become an equal authority on something. A piece of paper like a degree is someone that gets you a job.

Again, just READ.

You can read as much as you want, that won't make you as much as an authority on the subject as an actual scientist who does the work.
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itachi15243 posted...

There's more left posters, but the right is much louder

This seems about right.
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Xelltrix posted...

Um, caffeine addiction is a thing, yes.

I didn't say anything about caffeine.
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Xelltrix posted...

Um, water is essentially, soda isn't.

But overall caloric intake is. And when you're overweight, your body expects something different than when you're not.
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Xelltrix posted...

They don't have to expand more effort, just eat less. Diet is the biggest part.

Diet is effort, how don't you understand that?

Go a day without drinking any water, and tell me that it's not effortful by the end of the day to resist taking a drink of water.
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Xelltrix posted...

Fat people with fat parents still need to use diet and exercise like skinny people with skinny parents.

And expecting every obese person to be able to expend way more effort in maintaining diet than the average skinny person is simply silly and missing the point. It's not going to happen, and it's the reason the obseity epidemic has been blooming. Because all we can do is berate them to try harder.

There's a reason research is underway. If we could reduce the feedback mechanisms that make it so hard to maintain a new diet, when your brain is directing your body to eat what it thinks you need to survive, then it would be much more feasible, and there would be much more success. Presumably you'd only need to utilize such a drug for a year or so after you biological set point adapts, and then these people would be able to live a healthy and happy life.

Why are you against discussing the complex biological underpinnings of obesity in favor of a purely behavioral intervention which has been demonstrated for decades now to be unsuccessful?
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Xelltrix posted...

There are outliers where this is not the case but since they ARE outliers, they have little impact on the overall statistic on how many people are overweight. The rules for why they're fat are the same for almost everyone.

We're not talking about exceptions here, that's the point. This is not some rare genetic disorder. Kids born from unhealthy parents on average going to be physiologically predisposed to obesity. And no, they aren't to blame for that. When they really try just as hard as the kid next door who was born from healthy parents, but is still obese, you can't claim that he's just lazier. Yeah, he has control to change his situation, just as those who are born poor. But to pretend like it's some sort of level playing field and being lower on that playing field is evidence of either bad life choices or stupidity or laziness is simply ignorant.
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Xelltrix posted...

I agree. Government wastes money on pointless studies literally all the time. There is absolutely no magic trick involved with weight gain and obesity.

You're right, kids born to obese parents should have willed their physiology and the neural feedback systems in particular, to not be so damned maladaptively developed. Silly kids, stupid really. Just a lack of intelligence causes this shit. Stop shoving so much shit down your gullet, problem solved!
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Balrog0 posted...

LittleRoyal posted...

For kids yes. For adults it's your own fault.

i mean, your life is pretty path dependent based on what happens to you as a kid

I mean, it turns out that being born from a parent that is unhealthy, just in terms of the basic biology, not the relating to any learned behavior, drastically increases your weight gain. Turns out that some aspects of metabolism are prenatally programmed, or at least, this is what the evidence suggests.
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Xelltrix posted...

There are studies on why men look at boobs or if cheerleaders look better in a group. So, okay? You can study basic obvious stuff that everyone already knows the answer to.

You're right, these scientists have been studying this shit for their entire career, and are really just twiddling their thumbs researching things that you already know the answers to. Government committees have all approved of the expenditure this entirely useless endeavor.
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Xelltrix posted...

There isn't a secret; there isn't a trick... it's common knowledge.

https://www.obesityresearch.nih.gov/about/StrategicPlanforNIH_Obesity_Research_Full-Report_2011.pdf

Seems like a pretty intense research initiative for something that's been solved for so long that it's become common knowledge in the public domain.
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Xelltrix posted...

COVxy posted...

Xelltrix posted...

It's not complex at all.

Perhaps you should have a PhD then.

It doesn't require a PhD's level of knowledge to understand that a less physically demanding world with greater access to food leads to more fat people.

Again, great, pitch your great insight to all the scientists who study this for a living. You want to to be simple because you enjoy having a punching bag. What's simple is your motivation.
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Xelltrix posted...

It's not complex at all.

Perhaps you should have a PhD then. Also replace the dozens of staff scientists at the NIH studying it.
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Obesity is a complex issue. Pretending to boil it down to one cause, particularly to feel better about making fun of fat people, is stupid.
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DoctorVader posted...

The timeline was intentionally ambiguous. This is what the director said.

More or less, they knew it was bullshit, purposefully didn't explicate the timeline, and hoped viewers wouldn't be observant enough to notice.
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Stalolin posted...

Fair point. But what do you mean about that first part?

The entire episode reeked of generating plot elements only to ensure one or two later plot points were possible, and this was then confirmed by the after episode interviews where they said as much. At best, this produces writing that feels non natural, at worst as it happened in this particular episode, it breaks logical consistency. These things just pull the viewer out of the experience, destroy any immersion. For me, it makes the viewing experience much less enjoyable.
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It was just a clear demonstration of the drop in writing quality this season.

Also, the people complaining about slowness in the beginning are most likely different people then those complaining now.
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Got 'em.
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My uncle works at Nintendo and says you're wrong.
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Far be it from me to shit on your lottery tickets that keep you going day-to-day.
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Spend my undergrad working full time and working in a few labs, so I had no real free time. I loved it, really discovered my passion for science. Some regrets about missing out on some social shit, but not too many.

Grad school has been pretty awesome as my lab and advisor have been pretty perfect.
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I lol'd.

I'm glad that you've decided to turn your gimmick to top notch so that we all know it's satire as of recently. Gives me a little more faith in humanity.
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NINExATExSEVEN posted...

For fucks sake America. This is why you have welfare, it's for people like this.

It's for everyone in America, regardless of country of origin.
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Fair, she shouldn't take more from the pot than she puts in.

Oh wait, I'm not Proudclad.
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http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/28/news/companies/anheuser-busch-houston-harvey-water/index.html
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Spidey5 posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

WaterLink posted...

And Near finding Mikami seemingly at random was kind of a slap in the face to L's logical reasoning for his deductions.

This is a common complaint, but I could swear that it made sense because Light and Near found him in similar ways, right? Light trolled interviews, message boards, etc for potential Kira acolyte candidates and picked one out. Near did the same thing to figure out who Kira would choose. Or am I not remembering that correctly?

he literally watches 30 or so tv's then suddenly, dramatically, and stupidly turns toward the one with Mikami and is like "I think it's him". There is no logic, just an asspull.

Yes Light found him similarly, but he spent a long ass time searching. Near went right for him despite the many devout Kira worshippers.

Don't get me started on that lame ass lip reading segment...

I mean, it seemed obvious to me that the scene with him sitting watching the TVs was almost like a timelapse in nature. I assumed it was like a week or two of sleepless watching.
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DoomSwell posted...

I actually have heard this is part of a conspiracy. Like supposedly Common Core had a book on it's curriculum that was about incest as well.

I have few problems with incest or Common Core, but I know Im the exception rather than the rule. I have my doubts if this is the right way to go about it either.

...wut.
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EffectAndCause posted...

Liberals: We can still rehabilitate her!

Pretty amazing that you decided to shoehorn politics into this and then made a very stereotypical error.
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I tried 4loko once, couldn't make it through 1/3 of the can because it tasted so awful.
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Many of the students who transfer into my uni from the local cc say that their first semester is rough because they didn't expect such a drastic shift in rigor.

Even if it's not the case in your cc/uni, it doesn't hurt going in with that mindset and being prepared to work much harder than you have in the past.
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How did her weight come up in conversation?
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Through Snapchat still though?

Still a faux pas if you save it without asking.
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Or maybe saw that you took a screenshot of her snap.
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If you know anything about a science PhD program, you'd understand the absurdity of believing in the GRE as a metric of success.

It's really just another unnecessary expensive hoop to jump through.
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