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EDumey posted...

But him doing it to save Kirby and make himself look good is completely out of the picture.

No that works too

But only if Kirby is scum

Either Kirby must be scum OR he had to be nervous about how you two would look

EDumey posted...

Remember that Lopen argued tooth and nail that Peaf wouldn't do a FAFO play and leave the cover of a safe date, but now has convinced himself that Ulti and I are scum, which would mean Peaf made a FAFO play and left the cover of a safe date. He doesn't even believe his own arguments.

Actually him doing it to save no one to make you look good is completely fine

Chaeix posted...

i think where we're diverging is 'because he thought peaf was an easy partner' is a satisfactory answer for me, which i believe was red's position?

Why does Peaf gambit at all if Dumey and Kirby and JC and Lea are town. It's too suicidal

Chaeix posted...

lopen

JC

That's why he got stuck

But what makes him scum is "why do it to begin with"

Chaeix posted...

Lopen the biggest thing I don't follow about your logic is the fact that you've said a few times (I think) that Peaf thought Kirby was an easy banked date for him when he broke up with Dumey.

Didn't say that

The first thing to resolve is why the gambit is done in the first place

Peaf acting alone isn't sensible

The big question is why Dumey thought Ulti was trustworthy when he had played the game to this point trying to keep himself alive above all other things

Dumey just claimed scum I think

Lopen posted...

To be clear, I don't necessarily think Ulti is scum either, but it may be better odds following Lopen's arguments on Ulti here and getting some info out of Ulti's flip, rather than a random shot at Isquen or Corrik.

Like this in particular says that Dumey should aim to pair with Isquen or Corrik

EDumey posted...

Kirby lets take a second before consensual breakups are required, and view what the possibilities here assuming no major shakeups.

Pairs:

Lea + JC
FD + MZero
Sultan + Sir Chris
Ulti + Kirby

Unpaired:
Lopen, Isquen, Dumey, Corrik, Red

FD and MZero are locked. Lea JC has no reason to breakup except to cause chaos. I don't think Lea is looking to repeat after some of the suspicion she's got on her today. Sultan has made a lot of changes today, but I can see him landing on Chris for good here.

Out of the final 5, I think Lopen and Red are town, and I would look to date one of the two. Lets say I date Red, and that leaves Lopen to hopefully decide between Isquen and Corrik. Are either of those more worthwhile lynches than Ulti?

To be clear, I don't necessarily think Ulti is scum either, but it may be better odds following Lopen's arguments on Ulti here and getting some info out of Ulti's flip, rather than a random shot at Isquen or Corrik.

I guess what I'm asking you here Kirby, is after you went after Sultan for saving Chris, are you comfortable saving Ulti over Isquen or Corrik?

Really weird date for Dumey to be locked into with this post in mind btw

My rabbit hole is pretty shallow right now. Its literally a web of 3 people.

I think it's Dumey and Ulti now and I screwed up.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

But that would definitely be an awful idea and not worth the risk, lol

That's the BEST idea

Er Dumey would be number 2

Behind Peaf

Ergo if you're town Kirby Peaf should be your number one suspect

Dumey Peaf is the one situation where I could see Kirby being town btw

It's literally the only way Peaf's gambit makes sense if Kirby is town

If any 2/3 of Ulti Dumey Kirby end the day paired town

Please murder one from the group

Forceful_Dragon posted...

I mean, not true. I explicitly talked about scum Kirby and said it directly TO Kirby, and gave Lea some consideration as well as the kind of player who would initiate something like that with scummates Peaf/Kirby.

But it is true that I didn't give much consideration to JC or Dumey being scum.

Yes but you're town

I'm saying scum would want to push the suspicion. We had 2 scum in night chats and none of them did it.

Or Ulti is being pocketed by Dumey

It's either Ulti is scum trying to pocket Dumey who is being stubborn because straight suicidal Peaf fits his world view Ulti is being pocketed

It's impossible to know unfortunately

The biggest red flag should be that I'm the only one wanting to probe this supposed play Peaf made

Wouldn't it be in scum's best interest to try and probe a group of 4 town clears if it was a gambit

No one seriously talked about JC Lea Dumey or Kirby as scum overnight except me and Lea. Isn't that a bit weird. Wouldn't scum have been out to reap the rewards of Peaf's gambit?

Breakups at this point are just posturing

Let's call Ulti's bluff and flip him

Dumey you're wrong get over it

Very slight chance red is scum
Ulti x Kirby x Dumey has 2 scum probably

Corrik and Isquen town

I need to save Corrik and Isquen

That's all that's important here. They're both town imo

I'm not convinced he's emotional. He has no reason to be currently

Date Dumey then.

I'm 99% sure Kirby is scum because scum being at risk is what makes the play necessary and dude has been all over the place

I want the final 3 to be

Kirby
Dumey
Lopen

We shall have glorious combat. Oh I love it

Ulti I'm coming around to you being town unfortunately I think Kirby and Dumey have positioned themselves to plausibly date anyone that isn't them.

Except for me.

I suggest you date Corrik or Isquen and Red date the other.

EDumey posted...

LEA WAS THE ONE IN DANGER.

If no one broke up, and Lea steals Kirby from JC after establishing a plan to have JC date Kirby, she is committing suicide.

Lea was in danger when Lea and JC pointlessly broke up to save town Kirby? It still doesn't make sense because scum is throwing themselves into the pool when paired with town to save town. You just made it make less sense one step earlier.

If Lea is going to do that play she's doing it on audacious believe in her charisma and wouldn't bother to bring other scum in.

Like the gambit makes sense with Lea + Peaf even less because Lea can just use her cha score to save herself.

Lea can literally just do the gambit herself if she's scum. Peaf is a pointless game piece.

Here is the problem Dumey

Peaf was paired with town
Town was up to be lynched

Why bother. Just go to bed

Corrik or Isquen please accept Red's invite

Forceful_Dragon posted...

you do realize that if you are "gone for a few hours" that literally won't be possible, right?

It's because he isn't thinking about the game and this is theatre for Dumey and Kirby to pair and kill Ulti

UltimaterializerX posted...

He was in a tiebreaker as scum and didnt save himself.

Way less risk reward there

If he saves himself he is probably lynched immediately the next day

That play made more sense than this ever will unless other scum exist in that scramble. Peaf and 4 town makes zero sense.

Red

Pair with Corrik or Isquen
I pair with the other

Kirby321 posted...

If it comes down to it and you're in danger, I might split off from Ulti to save you. I do think Ulti is likelier to be town than scum

Ulti

You see what they're doing right here

EDumey posted...

The whole situation makes sense with just Peaf/Lea.

Not at all. Explain to me why it makes sense.

EDumey posted...

I guess what I'm asking you here Kirby, is after you went after Sultan for saving Chris, are you comfortable saving Ulti over Isquen or Corrik?

This is your spoiler btw Ulti

Be afraid of your pair up right now.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Two of Lea, Sultan, and Chris.

Explain Peaf then.

Because I don't believe Peaf just does that as a desperate self clear gambit

That's why Red's logic you loved so much is bad.

If you're town then the scumteam is Kirby and Dumey and I know exactly what's going to happen to end the day.

Kirby321 posted...

required for people to make reasonable and logical sense

You're literally saying a bunch of people are afraid of being lynched when Corrik and Isquen are right there

Where is the logical sense

Kirby321 posted...

Ugh, I'm logging off for the next several hours. I can already feel the toxicity flowing within me by the minute, and I don't like it.

What even is this by the way

There is nothing to be mad about. I'm calling you blatantly scum pairing with your partner out of fear and you're being toxic? There is not antagonizing even going on here we are talking in game terms.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Id genuinely be shocked if any of the other unpaired on this list are scum. MAYBE paranoia talking with Lopen, but eh. I dont see it. Isquen is a town soul read.

As scum he just takes my offer and sits all day. He is so obviously town vanilla it hurts.

Who is the scum then

If this was a normal game of mafia I think we could have swept

Alas stupid God mode code made scum unlynchable today

If Kirby and Ulti pair town you must lynch one tomorrow

Might as well pair with your scummate.

Here are the people who need to be saved

Corrik
Isquen

That's literally it.

If Red pairs with one of them I'll pair with the other one.

Kirby is pretending people are at risk when they aren't and people are desperate when they're not it's a recurring theme today

It's almost like thinking I need to be saved

Kirby is clearly not actually reasoning out who is at risk and is just pretending people are at risk or not so he can pretend to be Heroic or suspect or whatever.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

We aren't killing Chris right, I know Chris very well if I pair with Chris I think I can get a good Read

Sultan said exactly what I was thinking the reason was

So yeah. Town.

I'm pretty sure Sultan is town after my bout with temporary insanity.

I notice a lot of talk about him being scum but hasn't it 90% of it come from Dumey and Kirby and their roommates?

Makes u think

EDumey posted...

self preservation can be town or scum. i'm guessing thats the justification for why chris of all people

He literally broke up with Ulti

It isn't self preservation