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what is keeping isquen from being the scum that sent in the NK after lopen claimed gambler in their chat?

Lopen posted...

I'm going to now explain why I think Isquen is lock town and hopefully that will convince people that

1. He is town
2. I am town

I went into the night letting Isquen share suspicions. He said his reads were currently all the same and that Dumey was his number one suspect. He opened with the same thing that weirded Corrik out saying we should wait till 2 hours before deadline for anything important

I made a crack about "oh yeah if you say something big I might have scum kill you instead of the cop"

So then I shared some more suspicions. I had to argue with him that Chris was probably not GF because miller + gf in this setup would make the scanners garbage since the scans are already amambiguous. I had to argue with him that Corrik was town because to claim backup scanner blind and name the exact mechanic is ridiculous.

He had not talked that much at this point. Was a few hours in.

He said he was going to sleep. Like an hour later I said I was losing conviction he was town since I figured he would talk more if he was really mad Corrik didn't say anything.

I then claimed Gambit, Town Gambler. I said my ability was to redirect the night kill to the person I was in the room with once per game and if I redirected to town I would be unable to issue date requests the next day. I told him I was going to 100% use it tonight and I had decided to do this because. 1. I was not 100% sure he was town. 2. We were the big mislynches left on the table. 3. To gain another cop scan.

Isquen in the morning claimed his role to me (Travis Kelce, Vanilla), but said he guessed that was OK since it was saving the cop. He expressed some doubt over whether I was telling the truth but seemed to believe it in the end.

He then went into a few stages of theorizing scum setups and whether Id necessarily be saving the cop, and eventually coming to the conclusion that they'd probably shoot Chris roleblock Red if Chris wasn't scum and so signed off on my decision and said it made sense.

He then worked with me through scum hunting and we were thinking Dumey + Sultan/Ulti/Mzero/JC, with Sultan seeming most likely. I will say in honor of Lea's Death Ive decided to just give Kirby the benefit of a doubt going forward and not push his lynch.

I then after action deadline told him I was Boa Hancock vanilla and that hopefully there were no hard feelings

Overall his reaction to my claim (appear to believe it, work through whether it made sense to redirect to him, willingness to continue scumhunting, and the fact that Red was killed and not roleblocked with me being killed. I also quite liked that I had to argue with him about Chris and Corrik despite the obvious thing being to believe they are town.

So yeah I don't think Isquen's Sense Motive or Bluff are that high and going forward I'd rather be lynched than him if it comes down to that (since at least you might believe he's town if I'm dead)

Someone on my case is scum 100%

please just let Sultan die

Ulti, can you please just let Sultan die? Mans isn't even reading the game and is throwing baseless shade as a defense lol

Chris is prosty that targets his roommate

7. Dumey
11. Sir Chris

6. Ulti
8. Corrik

1. Mzero
4. Isquen

3. Chaeix (JC)
5. FD

2. Lopen
9. Sultan

UltimaterializerX posted...

Red is LOCK town, btw. His ability to solve is really something else.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

You are the reason Red didn't have to contribute anything to day 1 I'll be pissed at both you and Isquen if we see a repeat performance day 2.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I support jettisoning Red if he wont play. We have his thoughts anyway.

Kirby321 posted...

Meanwhile, Red can actively hurt our chances of nailing scum. If Sultan or Chris is scum, Red would happily throw the game by not giving a shit about the mechanics and just open dates for everyone, giving scum and easy way to bypass their "can't pair with each other limits".

One of these players is actively anti-town. That's my judgement.

I'm coming around to the idea of lynching Lopen today.

Kirby321 posted...

But you're 100% town, Lopen. I can't see any of your actions this game from a scum Lopen PoV.

Suppose Sultan flips town.

Suddenly that changes everything, as Chris is far likelier to have been telling the truth.

Although this does reaffirm my decision to not really play here anymore. It's a totally warped way of playing mafia where I can't sign up for a fun experimental game and watch it be chill without someone trying to be 20000000 iq

just a completely unenjoyable experience tbh

Lopen has completely killed any drive for me to play this game tbh.

Yes it is.

Last game, there were legitimate reasons to suspect me. I played like a guy that wanted to be scanned on night 1, and my only defense after that was I GOT SCANNED GUYZ

If were going to start pretending all power roles are lying, then why have them? Make every game all vanillas.

What is even the point of having town info roles if we're going to immediately give them zero credit?

It's called process of elimination for a reason, I eliminated the others and what remained is where I feel scum is most likely to be. I have mitigating positive things I could find about both you and Ulti, but ultimately scum has to exist somewhere regardless of how many reasons I can find for each person not to be.

Suddenly that changes everything, as Chris is far likelier to have been telling the truth.

That's a good point. Sultan and Death were both totally unclaimed by that point. I'll give Chris a pass D1 since claims didn't start coming out until way late into the day, but by D2, he had plenty of options.

I just think Godfather Prosty is a tad overkill. We have no reason to believe that exists until we get another scum flip

Hey, Lopen, how are you gonna do the triple kill if I'm paired with Chris right now?

It doesn't, but my stance hasn't changed on you being town. My point is that it clears Chris at the very least

Right but why kill all three of us if 2 of us are town?

Killing Chris and he flips any kind of Protys it clears me..

Then you guys can move on to actually read the game and stop tunneling me and look for scum. I get it I played against the grain and look bad can we please catch scum now?

Because if we flip Sultan today and he's town, you and Chris are basically cleared. And that's hella valuable

Suddenly that changes everything, as Chris is far likelier to have been telling the truth.

Well I'm not disagreeing with 1, I'm disagree with the "Chris isn't any kind of prosty" possibility