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cjsdowg posted...

So Biden didn't go after the protesters is that what yall are claiming ?

I was asking you what he did to them.

But if you want to know what I am claiming then he did nothing to them. He did say a few words but actively he took zero action.

emblem-man posted...

He didn't personally go and stop or tell the cops to not arrest people in those campus protests

Correct. All these things Trump says he wanted Biden to do and he would do including and not limited to trying to deport them.

__poi_____ posted...

And so can you

How can I? How did you get it?

cjsdowg posted...

Yeah Trump is wrong. Biden was with him attacking the protesters.

What did Biden do to the protestors?

from TimesofIsrael itself:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-beautiful-to-watch-police-raid-columbia-pro-palestinian-student-protests/

New York was under siege last night, Trump told supporters at a campaign rally in Wisconsin, praising the police officers for arresting about 300 protesters at Columbia and City College of New York whom he referred to as raging lunatics and Hamas sympathizers.

I say remove the encampments immediately, vanquish the radicals and take back our campuses for all of the normal students who want a safe place from which to learn, Trump said.

The radical extremists and far-left agitators are terrorizing college campuses, as you possibly noticed, Trump said. And Bidens nowhere to be found. He hasnt said anything.

legendary_zell posted...

Because a lot of my friends are those people. I just went to a party last weekend where half the people there got arrested at encampments. A lot of them are involved with groups like JVP or trying to get their unions to express solidarity with Palestine. Because I basically agree with them on everything, except the conclusion specifically related to Biden.

Are they unaware that Trump literally wants to kick them out of the country though labeling them as anti-semitic communists?

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/19/politics/donald-trump-immigration-agenda/index.html

In his campaign speeches, the former president has pledged to dramatically expand ideological screening, use federal law to deny entry to all communists and Marxists, and to revoke the visas of radical anti-American and antisemitic foreigners enrolled at US colleges and universities.

Like if they let Trump get into power they screw over themselves. Biden may not be amazing on this subject of protestors but Trump was literally fuming and wanting to do things to the protestors. Biden actually did nothing but say a few words about them.

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I think Historically it was talk Radio that did it first with Limbaugh being a forerunner and Fox essentially just copied that model and went ham during the Obama presidency.

emblem-man posted...

What I can say is that they should trust the Biden admin more than the trump admin to push through some type of better humanitarian deal

Very true. Trump literally laughing at them *timestamp 12-13 seconds). Pretty sure Trump hates Palestinians based on these speeches. Tells Wisconsins they are going to invade their towns and villages.
I would 100% trust Biden over this guy.

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1785757877228937694

legendary_zell posted...

You have to understand how these people actually think

Who are these people? I assume you are not speaking for yourself cause you said you would vote Biden? Why are you the expert of how they think then?

This is crazy:

Trump says Palestinian refugees will create an October 7 attack RIGHT HERE IN AMERICA

you gonna tell me this guy is the same as Biden? That Trump cares about Palestinians and will help them?
Meanwhile this is said because Biden seeks to save some Palestinians by giving them refugee status and bring them to be safe.

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1785757877228937694

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Cemith posted...

Yep.

Both candidates are going to murder Palestinians but only one will actually not deport minorities, revoke women's rights, and install a Christofascist autocracy.

Only one of them will grant refugees from Palestine.
That one being Biden.

Yet some suggest they are the same. Does not compute.

Trumble posted...

"I'm relentlessly downplaying a politicians support for genocide,

Where was this done? I did not see them do this.

legendary_zell posted...

I think it's the politicians who put people in positions where voting is evil no matter what deserve that label,

If Trump wasn't running, there wouldn't be so much issue with people deciding to just not vote most likely. It is Trump's fault for running and running under the platform that he is running on with project 2025 and the biggest mass deportation in history that makes people see not voting as problematic.
I only say most likely though because there are others like him that could be running in his stead.

But for example, John McCain vs. Obama. There was not so much an issue like this at the time.

LeoRavus posted...

Has Trump said what he'd do differently regarding Israel?

It's either him or Biden. As much as Trump seems to dislike brown people I can't imagine him being the great savior of Palestine.

Yes:

1. Israel needs to FINISH the problem and do it fast

Youve got to finish the problem, Trump said on Fox News on Tuesday when asked about the war. You had a horrible invasion that took place that would have never happened if I was president.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/ trump-israel-gaza-finish-problem-rcna141905

2. Isreal be well taken care of and respected:

President Trump did more for Israel than any American President in history, and he took historic action in the Middle East that created unprecedented peace, Karoline Leavitt, Trumps national press secretary, said in a statement, adding, "When President Trump is back in the Oval Office, Israel will once again be protected, Iran will go back to being broke, terrorists will be hunted down, and the bloodshed will end.

3. No refugees from Palestine as Trump declares in his own words they support Hamas and it is the place that is biggest terrorist havens on the planet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHr_4ed1TuA

4. Very unlikely he would give any aid to the Palestinians. See above video and consider his whole "America First" policies

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Also back in 2020 he had a peace plan for the region:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_peace_plan

The plan had been characterized as requiring too few concessions from the Israelis and imposing too harsh requirements on the Palestinians. Reactions among congressional Democrats were mixed, and all the leading Democratic 2020 presidential candidates[4] denounced it as a "smokescreen" for annexation.[5][6] Proposed benefits to the Palestinians from the plan are contingent on Israel and the United States subsequently agreeing that a list of conditions have been implemented, including total demilitarization, abandonment of international legal action against Israel and the United States and compliance "with all the other terms and conditions" of the 180-page plan.

Humble_Novice posted...

I simply cannot imagine the average American citizen willing to risk losing their liberties and freedoms for another country like Palestine. At the end of the day, most people will be voting for their own self-interests whether it be short-term or long-term. Biden of all people understands this.

The problem is it isn't just domestic. The idea that people voting Biden only care about what happens inside the USA is a dangerous rhetoric being thrown around now.
Trump is infact much much much worse for Gaza and the rest of the region.
This is not just about domestic policy. There is plenty of evidence for this including but not limited to Trumps literal own words that come out of his mouth.

cjsdowg posted...

But people shouldn't downplay what Biden is doing.

Trump being worse isn't downplaying what Biden is doing.

It just means, Trump would actually do much worse than Biden is currently doing. This is why Israel wants Trump and not Biden and has openly stated and shown it.

cjsdowg posted...

I am saying they both suck the same amount on this.

I understand this is your opinion.
If they both do the same exact things except one of them brings in tons of refugees from Palestine, would you still says they both suck the same amount?
That would be something objectively different between them and undeniable.

Biden wanting to allow for refugees and aid makes him 100% better than Trump who vocally states he despises these people and doesn't want to allow for these things as he murmurs about them being terrorists.
proof: literal video posted already

One can criticize Biden for what he has done, but to deny what Trump says as a means of criticizing Biden is strange to do. Also forgetting some good parts of Biden like allowing refugees which Trump is 100% opposed to.

In the video Trump says bluntly "the vast majority support Hamas"

cjsdowg posted...

While Trump says this. Biden is actively helping to do a genocide. Biden defends Israelie government who has said and done worse then Trump. And when our own allies, other dems , and college students say hey let's not do that. He attacks them calling them violent or racist. People want to act like Trump would be worst to help their conscience, but no. Don't turn away from how horrible Biden is. Because here in AMERICA . Trump would be worse and we have to stop that. But not over there.

Wait so you have no issue with Trump literally calling the people in Gaza snakes?

I am to be convinced you care about them as you exclaim Trump is merely saying this? This is not merely words. This is his policy and him saying how he will treat these people. Biden wants to allow for refugees Trump doesn't and villifies them as being bad people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHr_4ed1TuA

but keep in mind this is proof Trump would be worse

You asked

How would Trump make this worst. People keep saying that, but no. There is no proof at all that Trump would be worst than Biden on this.

Biden doing all this is known, but you just listen to Trump and he proves he is worse.

Trump and his love for Israel

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/donald-trump-foreign-policy-advisers-met-israeli-pm-netanyahu-source-says-2024-05-20/

Three former U.S. foreign policy officials in Donald Trump's administration met with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and other public figures in Israel on Monday, according to a person with direct knowledge of the matter.

Among the main goals of the trip was to obtain a better understanding of Israel's complex domestic political situation, said the person familiar with the visit. Netanyahu's coalition is beset by internal disagreements, with many Israelis blaming his government for failing to prevent an Oct. 7 Hamas attack.
It was a rare case of Trump allies traveling abroad as part of an organized delegation to meet foreign officials. It took place amid strains between Israel and the Biden administration about Israel's conduct of the war in Gaza.

Trump, the Republican candidate for president, consistently portrays himself as a more reliable ally to Israel than Democratic President Joe Biden, his rival in the Nov. 5 election.

Dude is not even president and his people are already listening to Netanyahu.

cjsdowg posted...

How would Trump make this worst. People keep saying that, but no. There is no proof at all that Trump would be worst than Biden on this.

Trump's own words prove it. One cannot say there is no proof when Trump himself states what he would do.
In the video below he calls Gaza the biggest terrorist haven on the planet and then goes on a rant to bash the Palestinians and call them snakes that no one wants - Trumps literal words.

'We Can't Let This Happen': Trump Slams Biden Plan To Bring In Refugees From Gaza

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHr_4ed1TuA

cjsdowg posted...

to not act like Joe is any better than trump on this topic.

Joe is infact way better on this topic.

This is known by Israel themselves as stated already:

WingsOfGood posted...

Netanyahu, does not like Biden, but they like Trump and other Republicans. Their minister of defense sent a tweet saying "Hamas <3 Biden"

cjsdowg posted...

They are not going to suffer more under Trump.

They will actually. Trump is vocally anti-muslim. He will deport Palestinians from the USA to Gaza.
He even discusses kicking out protestors labeling them anti-semitic and un-american:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/19/politics/donald-trump-immigration-agenda/index.html

In his campaign speeches, the former president has pledged to dramatically expand ideological screening, use federal law to deny entry to all communists and Marxists, and to revoke the visas of radical anti-American and antisemitic foreigners enrolled at US colleges and universities.

emblem-man posted...

Netanyahu, does not like Biden, but they like Trump and other Republicans. Their minister of defense sent a tweet saying "Hamas <3 Biden"

This critical info will likely be ignored

he is probably wearing some right now

makes you think doesn't it

Shadow_Don posted...

And they've talked about literally deporting them to Gaza and then state that they want to wipe Gaza off the map.

So if you care about Palestinians you will vote Biden over Trump. That seems very cut and dry.

Trump literally desires to take Palestinians who are safe here and deport them to Gaza to die.

Not only that but there is also reports that college protestors on the side of Gaza will be labeled communists and done things to as well.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/19/politics/donald-trump-immigration-agenda/index.html

In his campaign speeches, the former president has pledged to dramatically expand ideological screening, use federal law to deny entry to all communists and Marxists, and to revoke the visas of radical anti-American and antisemitic foreigners enrolled at US colleges and universities.

Do not pretend this is just domestic issues.

legendary_zell posted...

"yeah, I voted in favor of the guy who helped cause that for domestic reasons." Even if those domestic reasons are completely valid.

It isn't just domestic reasons Trump already will deport Palestinian refugees.

Think about that. Where will he deport them to?

hmm, Palworld? Let me think for a moment...

hmm. do I remember this? not coming to mind give it a moment

hockeybabe89 posted...

Doesn't Trump heap praise on to any dictator he can find?

Haven't multiple former Trump admin people said he admires Hitler?

He absolutely has some authoritarian/fascist tendencies on top of his greedy narcissism.

He has highly praised:
Putin
Xi Jinping
Kim Jong Un

think of it this way

What if Biden had an outspoken person on his campaign that constantly said the N word and claimed they hated black people. Then people bring it up to Biden.
Biden waives it away and thinks it is inconsequential. Never makes a statement to counter it and instead gives that person and similar people more power and makes deals with them.

"Biden doesn't share their ideology!" you would say this?

no
no you wouldn't

Trump does this with Nazis. He is in bed with them. That means he agrees and therefore shares their ideology.

specialkid8 posted...

. He will agree with anything that gets him the power and attention he craves.

If he agrees with it then he has those ideologies himself.

Also Trump wanting an academic return to the Byzantine Empire makes even less sense than he just a fan of Hitler.

DodogamaRayBrst posted...

Just to make absolutely sure, there's no actual non-academic language use in English for the German word 'Reich' except to refer to the Third Reich, aka Nazi Germany, is there?

Other than Robert Reich, nope. None.

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Neoconkers posted...

but WingsOfGood, you're arguing in bad faith here! the quote we put was from WWI, the 2nd reich, not the third! we're not calling for the rise of a new Nazi party by creating a 4th reich, we're... uh... german nationalists now??

Why this comment? UnholyMudCrab is a leftist don't think they arguing in favor maybe confused and that is why we discuss.

UnholyMudcrab posted...

The Holy Roman Empire was the 1st Reich, and the German Empire was the 2nd

And Nazism was to make a 3rd.

So anyone who does the same and says we want a new Reich, that is Nazism. So if Trump points to Reich 1, he is still imitating Hitler.

UnholyMudcrab posted...

it's referring to the pre-WWI German Empire.

Isn't that same?

Hitler wanted the 3rd Reich. He was...also referring to pre-world war Empire.

Isn't this literally illegal?

Is he out of the country cause that is how you get the FBI to raid your house.

Euripides posted...

"Target and McDonalds admit that they've been price gouging all this time"

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https://fortune.com/2024/05/20/crunch-fitness-ceo-jim-rowley-secret-to-success/

The CEO of Crunch Fitness doesnt think theres such a thing as work-life balance: Thats for somebody whos not fully committed

Do you work on the weekends?
I absolutely work on the weekends. Yes.
Whats your opinion on work-life balance?
I dont think theres such a thing as work-life balance. I think work life-balance is for somebody whos not fully committed. It depends on what your why is. If your why is really purposeful, and goal-oriented, youre gonna find an imbalance in pursuit of that. Nobody ever had a perfect balance in pursuit of something great. Youre either all in, or youre somewhat in, or youre not in at all.
I challenge my teams all the time because I hear a lot of Well, I want to get promoted. And I want a bigger gym and I want to be a district manager, and I want a new house and I want a new car. I say, those things are amazing, those are your wants. But what are you willing to do to get them? And when you ask somebody what theyre willing to sacrifice, you hear crickets. People havent thought it through.
We live in this instant-gratification society. But what really works to become a successful leader is hard work, determination, planning, constant self-realization, self-awareness, challenging yourself. Those are the difficult things.
I live by this motto: No one is coming. Its up to you. If you want something, dont look for it to come from, like, oh, what books do you read? And what did you study in school? No. Its right here. Its your DNA. Its not your rsum. Do you have the drive and the determination and the discipline to get what you want? And if youre willing to make those sacrifices, theres going to be an imbalance in your life. If youre seeking harmony, I dont know. I have never found it.

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this is why billionaires shouldn't exist

man is literally threatening us

Thou shalt make no graven images

"Stahp taking down our confederate statues!!!"

VGAddict90 posted...

Which is EXACTLY why I hope he DOES pick Paxton. Trump would lose in a landslide.

Well yeah Trump is openly going for a dictatorship so he needs corrupt people in high positions.